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I do kinda feel bad for Torre though.
Cubs........Yankees? hahahahah
I do kinda feel bad for Torre though.
Why? He didn't produce. He can also pick any job in baseball he wants, so it's not like he's going to go to the unemployment line.
I actually feel better for him. Steinbrenner, Torre has had to put up with his meddling and tirades for 12 years, time to move on and maybe enjoy baseball again.
yes, but it doesn't guarantee you a le.
Yankees have an awesome lineup, but a shoddy rotation.
So, yes, unlimited payroll can buy you a championship when the unlimited payroll os spent on pitching not hitting.
Go out an buy every stud pitcher you can find, then fill in the lineup with anything you want. Sabathia & Santana 2009? Once again, my very poor knowledge of NL teams is showing here, but one could assume some real quality will be available this year or next, yes?
Buy elite pitching, buy players later. With Yankees ability to spend, they'd win every year. But the organization falls in love with bats, so they roll the most dangerous lineup in baseball (with egos to match, which accounts for thei lack of success) while piecing together some slip-shod pitching staff. Moose is done, Pe e is still really good, Pavano..., Rocket....cmon already and retire for real, Wang is a good 4th starter, bullpen is atrocious outside of Rivera and (sometimes) Farnsworth.
Imagine the Yankees without ARod, Abreu and Giambi, replacing their salaries with Sabathia and Santana....would we be talking right now??
No, they'd be in the ALCS heavily favored to win the WS.
Word around the campfire is that Steinbrenner is starting to show affects of the early stages of alzheimers. That sucks.
I think Torre will take a year or two off just to rest and get his mind straight.
Note to Free Agents: New York isn't as good a destination as it may first appear.
Singed,
Carl Pavano, Kyle Farnsworth, Jason Giambi, A-Rod, Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson, Chuck Knobloch,
Yeah, I have heard that, too. As much as I loathe him, I don't wish Alzheimer's on ANYONE. I took care of my grandmother who had it for the last two years of her life and it is just gut-wrenching, the slow and painful process. I hope it's just 'old age' in his case.
And that may be the only time you will see me wish anything nice on that asshat.
Yeah I understand completely. My grandmother has dementia, and thats why I said that it sucks if he is starting to show symptons.
Does anyone know who the potential free agents are next year?
Andrew Jones, Torri Hunter and most of the Yankees pretty much. I bet they get out while they can
What are you talking about? The Yankees have tried to buy the elite pitchers on the market. Clemens and Mussina were both viewed as the top free agent pitchers in their class. Pet e came [back] via free agency. Pavano and Jarrett Wright were both signed coming off stellar years. And they traded for Randy Johnson 2 years ago.
The fact of the matter is that teams simply don't let elite pitching enter the free agent market anymore.
Look at last year - the top 2 arms available were Zito and Schmidt. How did that work out for the teams that gave them monster deals?
This year's top free agent pitchers - probably Andy Pet e (if he doesn't retire) and Bartolo Colon (who is 34).
That's not a coincidence.
Next year, it does look like Santana will finally enter the market, but how much money (and more importantly - YEARS) would you be willing to give him knowing that Gardenheier has ridden him hard, he'll be 30 in the first year of his new deal, and he's 1-3 with an ERA of 4 in his postseason career - which is all the Yanks care about.
Yankees have an awesome lineup, but a shoddy rotation.
So, yes, unlimited payroll can buy you a championship when the unlimited payroll os spent on pitching not hitting.
Go out an buy every stud pitcher you can find, then fill in the lineup with anything you want. Sabathia & Santana 2009? Once again, my very poor knowledge of NL teams is showing here, but one could assume some real quality will be available this year or next, yes?
Buy elite pitching, buy players later. With Yankees ability to spend, they'd win every year. But the organization falls in love with bats, so they roll the most dangerous lineup in baseball (with egos to match, which accounts for thei lack of success) while piecing together some slip-shod pitching staff. Moose is done, Pe e is still really good, Pavano...
Imagine the Yankees without ARod, Abreu and Giambi, replacing their salaries with Sabathia and Santana....would we be talking right now??
No, they'd be in the ALCS heavily favored to win the WS.
The Yankee team who won 4 les in 5 years had DOMINATING pitching! That was the strength of their team. That is why they were so disgustingly great. Their offense was pretty ing good too. The Yanks are trying to get that back by buying old washed up pitchers or overpaying badly for decent ones. This team is hitting implosion in way that is going to sting them for a while. I am not saying they are as bad as the Rangers because they are still more than talented enough to keep going to the playoffs. If they want to bring back tradition to New York, they are going to need good young solid pitching ALL AROUND. Starting rotations,bullpen, and maybe even a closer if Rivera bolts. That is what made them so great in the late 90's.
On top of all those problems, they still havent gotten rid of that 2004 curse that Boston has set on them.
You overstate it when you say that it was "DOMINATING!"
What they did have was a VERY GOOD starting rotation followed by an extremely strong back-end of the pen.
However, only ONCE in their World Series years did they even have as many as two starters with an ERA under 4.
What the Yankees had when winning World Series were clutch guys who could hit and produce under pressure. Instead of a choking A-Rod making 25 mil a year they had the clutch hitting Scott Brosius making 2 million a year. They had Bernie Williams who is tied with Manny Ramirez for the most post season HR all time. Jeter was getting big hits and making big time plays, Paul O'Neil was a surly bas but a clutch hitter, and the pitching was good enough.
I think one thing that's missing from recent Yankee teams is true role players. The Yankees' front office seems to believe that only guys with All-Star credentials can provide the sort of play that is necessary to win a le. Other than Melky Cabrera (and Doug Mientkiewicz) the Yankees, so to speak, ran out a lineup filled with a bunch of chiefs and no indians, for most of this post-season. I think that tends to affect the way that a game is managed and, in playoff settings, proves more hurtful than helpful. How does a manager ask some of those guys to hit to the right side to advance a runner or to sacrifice to play for a one-run inning -- even if the interpersonal side of that was wholly irrelevant, the temptation to play for big innings is way to great. Playing for big innings tends to be a bad strategy in major league playoff games. Yankee management seems to expect the big bats to continue to thunder when the playoffs roll around; but against quality pitching and with the pressure of the playoffs there, I think it's ludicrous to think that will happen.
Along with truly addressing a substantial need for arms, the Yankees will continue to come up short without at least a few guys who just fill roles in the everyday lineup. Of course, I hope that they refuse to address those problems again this coming off-season. Illness aside, Steinbrenner has generally showed himself to be a world-class ass who happens to have a huge amount of money invested in his baseball club.
That's a good point. There is a lot to be said for having a couple of guys in the order who feel the need to move runners along, run the bases well, and PLAY DEFENSE.
Right now, the Yanks have 9 guys who are used to being 'the man' offensively and thinking that it's there job to drive the guy home from 1b.
'em. And their fans too.
Sure it can!
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yep but torre is the manger and he should make them play small ball
square pegs, round holes. manager can only manage the roster that is given to him.
Yeah -- Joe was going to last a long, long time telling a guy being paid $25 million per season to hit behind the runner.
And I'm sure Joe could have just asked those guys to lay down sacrifice bunts, except that few of them would even recognize the signal. Here are the sacrifice bunt totals for a representative Yankee lineup:
Damon -- 3 sacrifice bunts in the last 4 years
Jeter -- 17 sacrifice bunts in last 3 years
Abreu -- 6 since 1996
Rodriguez -- no sacs since 1999
Posada -- 1 since 1997
Giambi -- no sacs since 1996
Matsui -- no sacs in MLB career
Cano -- 9 sacs in career, but 2 in last 2 years
Cabrera -- 10 sacs in 2007
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