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    Orange Whip? Orange Whip? Viva Las Espuelas's Avatar
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    This doesn't surprise me at all. does this mean we can go back to hating russians?

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    Putin warns US against attacking Iran

    By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer 33 minutes ago


    Russian leader Vladimir Putin met his Iranian counterpart Tuesday and implicitly warned the U.S. not to use a former Soviet republic to stage an attack on Iran. He also said countries bordering the Caspian Sea must jointly back any oil pipeline projects in the region.

    At a summit of the five nations that border the inland Caspian Sea, Putin said none of the nations' territory should be used by any outside countries for use of military force against any nation in the region. It was a clear reference to long-standing rumors that the U.S. was planning to use Azerbaijan, a former Soviet republic, as a staging ground for any possible military action against Iran.

    "We are saying that no Caspian nation should offer its territory to third powers for use of force or military aggression against any Caspian state," Putin said.

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also underlined the need for solidarity.

    "The Caspian Sea is an inland sea and it only belongs to the Caspian states, therefore only they are en led to have their ships and military forces here," he said.

    A State Department spokesman, Tom Casey, said the United States is not planning military action against Iran.

    "We are pursuing a diplomatic course with respect to Iran that includes with respect to its nuclear program as well as with respect to its support for terrorism and other issues that are out there," he said.

    Putin refused to set a date for the start-up of Iran's first nuclear power plant, to be built by Russia.

    "I only gave promises to my mom when I was a small boy," Putin told Iranian reporters, when asked whether he could promise that the plant that Russia is building would be launched before his term ends next May.

    At the same time, he said, "We are not going to renounce our obligations."

    Putin's careful stance suggested that Russia is seeking to preserve solid ties with Iran without angering the West. A clear pledge by Putin to quickly finish the plant would embolden Iran and could complicate international talks on the nuclear standoff.

    Putin, whose trip to Tehran is the first by a Kremlin leader since World War II, warned that energy pipeline projects crossing the Caspian could only be implemented if all five nations that border the sea support them.

    Putin did not name a specific country, but his statement underlined Moscow's strong opposition to U.S.-backed efforts to build pipelines to deliver hydrocarbons to the West, bypassing Russia.

    "Projects that may inflict serious environmental damage to the region cannot be implemented without prior discussion by all five Caspian nations," he said.

    Other nations bordering the Caspian Sea and in attendance at the summit are: Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan.

    The legal status of the Caspian — believed to contain the world's third-largest energy reserves — has been in limbo since the 1991 Soviet collapse, leading to tension and conflicting claims to seabed oil deposits.

    Iran, which shared the Caspian's resources equally with the Soviet Union, insists that each coastal nation receive an equal portion of the seabed. Russia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan want the division based on the length of each nation's shoreline, which would give Iran a smaller share.

    Putin's visit took place despite warnings of a possible assassination plot and amid hopes that personal diplomacy could help offer a solution to an international standoff on Iran's nuclear program.

    Putin has warned the U.S. and other nations against trying to coerce Iran into reining in its nuclear program and insists peaceful dialogue is the only way to deal with Tehran's defiance of a U.N. Security Council demand that it suspend uranium enrichment.

    "Threatening someone, in this case the Iranian leadership and Iranian people, will lead nowhere," Putin said Monday during his trip to Germany. "They are not afraid, believe me."

    Iran's rejection of the council's demand and its previous clandestine atomic work has fed su ions in the U.S. and other countries that Tehran is working to enrich uranium to a purity usable in nuclear weapons. Iran insists it is only wants lesser-enriched uranium to fuel nuclear reactors that would generate electricity.

    Putin's visit to Tehran is being closely watched for any possible shifts in Russia's carefully hedged stance in the nuclear standoff.

    The Russian president underlined his disagreements with Washington last week, saying he saw no "objective data" to prove Western claims that Iran is trying to construct nuclear weapons.

    Putin emphasized Monday that he would negotiate in Tehran on behalf of the five permanent U.N. Security Council members — United States, Russia, China, Britain and France — and Germany, a group that has led efforts to resolve the stalemate with Tehran.





    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071016/...ea/iran_russia

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    don't we have a secretary of state to deal with this nonsense?

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    don't we have a secretary of state to deal with this nonsense?
    yeah. she's trying campaigning to give palestine a state. nothing to ruffle anybody's feathers.

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    The Russians aren't godless communists anymore. That complicates any move to make us hate them.

    We need to find a way to rile up the population against Orthodox Christians. Any ideas?

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    The Russians aren't godless communists anymore. That complicates any move to make us hate them.

    We need to find a way to rile up the population against Orthodox Christians. Any ideas?
    Orthodox Christians?

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    We need to find a way to rile up the population against Orthodox Christians. Any ideas?
    Ann Coulter

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    Putin's actions are just another sign of the world beyond weary of the maniac Bush.

    He has turned everybody against us. something that would never have happened to Clinton.

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    something that would never have happened to Clinton.
    because neither one of them has a spine................or balls. you think clinton is going to "save" us. you're sadly mistaken, my friend.

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    Like the future war with Iran, it's actually about control of the Caspian Sea gas and oil reserves....Putin had a contract locked up with a former Soviet state to build a pipeline but had his legs cut out from him at the last second by a western oil company...

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Here's some actual reporting on what's going on with Russia you won't find on the M$M....

    The "Great Game" Enters the Mediterranean: Gas, Oil, War, and Geo-Politics
    Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya, Globalresearch
    October 14, 2007
    Preface: The Caspian Sea Summit and the Historical Crossroads of the 21st Century


    This article is part of The Sino-Russia Coalition: Challenging America’s Ambitions in Eurasia (September 23, 2007). For editorial reasons the article is being published by Global Research in three parts. It is strongly advised that readers also study the prior piece.

    History is in the making. The Second Summit of Caspian Sea States in Tehran will change the global geo-political environment. This article also gives a strong contextual background to what will be in the backdrop at Tehran. The strategic course of Eurasia and global energy reserves hangs in the balance...

    ...On five fronts there is antagonism between the U.S. and its allies with Russia, China, and their allies: East Africa, the Korean Peninsula, Indo-China, the Middle East, and the Balkans. While the Korean front seems to have calmed down, the Indo-China front has been heated up with the start of instability in Myanmar (Burma). This is part of the broader effort to encircle the ans of the Eurasian landmass, Russia and China. Simultaneous to all this, NATO is preparing itself for a possible showdown with Serbia and Russia over Kosovo. These preparations include NATO military exercises in Croatia and the Adriatic Sea....
    The Great Game

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    Putin's actions are just another sign of the world beyond weary of the maniac Bush.

    He has turned everybody against us. something that would never have happened to Clinton.
    Let me think, yeah, Sarkoska (sp) President of France
    ran on having better relations with the U.S. and won.

    Germany has a leader who is good friends with Bush and
    the U.S.

    Bush Administration solved the problem with North Korea
    and Libya which Clinton left in a mess.

    Clinton had what five embassies bombed, one war ship
    bombed, WTC bombed and a barracks in Saudi Arabia
    blown up. All taken care of in Clintons manner, ignored,
    but would be solved by our law enforcement.

    But Clinton had everything solved before he left office
    and the world was at peace. Oh, I forgot about Clintons
    meals on wheels. Black Hawk down, where he turned
    tail and run and OB said he learned America had no
    guts. Oh and lets not forget Liberia. Where a mob
    turned back our troops on Clintons orders. And of course
    he solved that problem too.

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    Bush Administration solved the problem with North Korea
    Solved what? They developed and have nuclear bombs now.
    Clinton had what five embassies bombed, one war ship
    bombed, WTC bombed and a barracks in Saudi Arabia
    blown up. All taken care of in Clintons manner, ignored,
    but would be solved by our law enforcement.
    You're right, I can't think of any terrorist attacks that happened during Bush's term in office.

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    Solved what? They developed and have nuclear bombs now
    you've heard the news lately. they're dismantling them now

    You're right, I can't think of any terrorist attacks that happened during Bush's term in office.
    less than a year after clinton. research that. oh yeah. remember sandy berger. we'll never know.

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    Alleged Michigander ChumpDumper's Avatar
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    you've heard the news lately. they're dismantling them now
    That isn't what the news says.
    "The hope is by the end of this year we will have a disabled nuclear facility, we will have a full catalog of what all their facilities are," [Asst. Secretary of State Christopher] Hill said.

    "And then, next year, we will try to get to the last step, which is to get them to give up, to abandon, the 50 kilos of plutonium that they have already produced," he said. "That will be the tough part."
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,302136,00.html

    So don't act like it does.

    less than a year after clinton. research that.
    I did. Bush did nothing about Al Qaeda before 9/11 except have his deputies bicker amongst themselves about it. He took the threat of Al Qaeda much less seriously than Clinton.

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    Here's some actual reporting on what's going on with Russia you won't find on the M$M....

    The "Great Game" Enters the Mediterranean: Gas, Oil, War, and Geo-Politics
    Mahdi Darius Nazemroaya, Globalresearch
    October 14, 2007
    Preface: The Caspian Sea Summit and the Historical Crossroads of the 21st Century




    The Great Game
    Interesting read nbadan

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    Maaaaaannnn fuck.... E20's Avatar
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    If Russia needs to be infilitrated WITHOUT getting caught, then the US needs to send in one man, and I'm not talking about Rambo, I'm talking about: E20

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    Russia is beginning to show signs of defensive nationalism after the humility of their defeat in the cold war, IMO.

    Historical precedent would suggest this is not a healthy development.

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    yeah, it has nothing to do with Bush's actions, a guy after an oil grab pretending to the world it's about terror and threatening to attack everyone.

    way to stack the odds against us. the world is growing tired of this dip .

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