Questions about IRAN.

[2centsworth]

1. Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon?


2. If they are, should they be allowed to? If they are not, what's up with the USA?


3. What should the US do right now?

[clambake]

1.= if you were under constant threat, what would you try to do?

2. part 1= who cares. we'll never really know if they can or can't. bombing the out of them will have little effect, except that other than countries will have another reason to fear the american empire.
2. part 2= if you could pillage all the resources of Iraq and Iran, would you really give a about al-queada?

3.= try some diplomacy, a little backroom dealing like reagan used to do. our actions have made us the most hated country in the world, and we are the machine that's uniting them.

[2centsworth]

can you answer the questions directly. I'm not trying to trap you or anything. I just really want to know what people think.

[Yonivore]

1. Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon?

Are they? I don't know. Do I think they are? Yes.

2. If they are, should they be allowed to?

No.

If they are not, what's up with the USA?

I think they are so, this question is not applicable to me.

3. What should the US do right now?

Prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.

[clambake]

ok.

1. nobody knows for sure. don't accept the notion just because bush says so. i hope americans have learned a lesson. if you want to be guided, just listen to yoni.

2. when you say "be allowed to", are you asking if we give them permission? people can build it, period. people will help them. our administration is a threat to world peace.

3. i like my first answer, but we need intelligent people to pull this off, not "special" people.

[xrayzebra]

1. Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon?


2. If they are, should they be allowed to? If they are not, what's up with the USA?


3. What should the US do right now?

1. Yes and so does all the other world powers. Including
most of the U.N.

2. No. But they will and no one will stop them, unless
it is Israel. We wont because of people like Clam. No
American administration will have the full backing of the
American people. And this is what it is going to take to
get a politician to act to stop them forcibly.

3. What we have been doing. Put the screws to them
diplomatically. But that wont stop them. You are
dealing with people who have an agenda to dominate
the ME and the world if possible. They will have their
Atomic weapon and Bush knows it, why do you think
he wants the anti-missile defense in place before they
have it and a delivery system. Bush will have his
system, in spite of the dimm-0-craps opposing it.

One added thing. Israel may use their Atomic weapons
to stop Iran's nuclear program. I hope not. But they
are having their backs shoved up to the wall and they
will not let a guy like Iran's President have such a
weapon that can and would be used against them.

Clam made one of his dumb statements about Iran being
threatened. Who may I ask has threatened them?
Us? I don't think so. Not militarily. We have only
said it is not off the table. But in reality it is.

[101A]

1. Iran's president has indicated that they are; and that he is willing to use them, and accept great losses in his own country in doing so.

2. Considering #1; No.

3. Whatever they can to accomplish goal #2.

[101A]

ok.

2. when you say "be allowed to", are you asking if we give them permission? people can build it, period. people will help them. our administration is a threat to world peace.

Who else in your view, if anyone, is a threat to world peace? Do you even think about it?

[clambake]

3. What we have been doing. Put the screws to them
diplomatically. But that wont stop them. You are
dealing with people who have an agenda to dominate
the ME and the world if possible. They will have their
Atomic weapon and Bush knows it, why do you think
he wants the anti-missile defense in place before they
have it and a delivery system. Bush will have his
system, in spite of the dimm-0-craps opposing it.

does this sound like another countries ambitions?

[clambake]

Who else in your view, if anyone, is a threat to world peace? Do you even think about it?

everyone we threaten. we went from being the most simpathized country to the most despised country in the matter of 2 years. impossible to imagine.

i think about my kid and the country that idiot has left him.

[xrayzebra]

does this sound like another countries ambitions?

If you are referring to the United States, then you are
really more stupid than I thought. We are the lone
super power of the world. But dominate other governments.
No we don't. And have no ambitions to do so.

Look out after our own best interest. Sometimes that can
even be debated. But we should.

[101A]

everyone we threaten. we went from being the most simpathized country to the most despised country in the matter of 2 years. impossible to imagine.

i think about my kid and the country that idiot has left him.

So if not for the United States of America, the world would be all peace, joy, happiness.

Koom - By - ing - YAH!

You don't know how much that clears up for me. Thanks.

[clambake]

If you are referring to the United States, then you are
really more stupid than I thought. We are the lone
super power of the world. But dominate other governments.
No we don't. And have no ambitions to do so.

Look out after our own best interest. Sometimes that can
even be debated. But we should.

said the fossil.

this at ude worked when we were the only ones with the bomb. you can kill some people but end up just strengthening their will. it's not 1946 anymore ray.

[clambake]

So if not for the United States of America, the world would be all peace, joy, happiness.

Koom - By - ing - YAH!

You don't know how much that clears up for me. Thanks.

yeah, smart move. take the embrace from the world on 9-12-2001 and flush it down the toilet. become the terror. brilliant.

[George Gervin's Afro]

1. Are they trying to develop a nuclear weapon?


2. If they are, should they be allowed to? If they are not, what's up with the USA?


3. What should the US do right now?

1. By their own words they seem to be on there way to develope them.

2. This is a tricky question. Right now there are other countries with the capabilities to create and deliver nuclear weapons. Are they direct threats to us? According to some on the board everybody is a threat to us so that is kind of a loaded question. so if we had the capability to 'not let them have them' then I would agree that we should do whatever we can to prevent them. Now with that being said I agree with the old adage "where there's a will there's a way" so if they are intent on getting them they will regardless of what we do. so what's the worth of military action? how much are we willing to pay to do this? Bush has eroded our credibiltiy world wide so we would have to do it with the Isreali's but in the end they are going to get them eventually.Should we sacrifice more blood and money in the region for a problem that will just come back in 5 yrs?


3. Right now it seems, Bush says, that we are trying diplomatically trying to disarm the situation. The difficultly is that when we are in the position of telling another country what they can and can't do it seems that this tack only does more harm than good. I think our hands are tied because of the fiasco in Iraq. In the end Iran knows if they provide a nuke or use a nuke they will essentially be wiped off the earth. So for a country that want's to dominate the world the wrong way to go about it is to furnish or use a nuke.

[101A]

yeah, smart move. take the embrace from the world on 9-12-2001 and flush it down the toilet. become the terror. brilliant.

All I asked if there was a single other person/country/etc. that was threatening world peace. You suggested by your answer that you believed that no, in fact, there is NO other threat to World Peace than the U.S., and specifically George Bush.

I've got it, you don't need to hammer it home.

George Bush = Devil

Everybody Else (not in the Bush adminstration and not named Yoni or Xray) = Angel.

[101A]

Right now there are other countries with the capabilities to create and deliver nuclear weapons.

None with the contentious (recent) history with the U.S. that Iran has (don't want to start a debate over whose to blame for that, just stating a fact)

None that have vowed the destruction of one of our allies.

None whose leaders call us "The Great Satan"

The Nuclear Club as it stands now (off the top of my head):

U.S.
Russia
Great Britain
France
Germany
China
Israel
Pakistan
India
N. Korea

Only 2 of those states, Pakistan and N. Korea have joined since '79: N. Korea we helped with that - and are in REAL negotiations to disarm them , and Pakistan is going MAD with India.

Iran, IMO, is a different cat than any of those.

[clambake]

i think we're getting what we asked for. do you think the hate for this country is being unfairly justifiable? you don't think we brought this on ourselves? who else should serve as blame for being the playmaker? the idea that bush is the only world leader that can be trusted is terrifying. hasn't anyone learned?

[George Gervin's Afro]

None with the contentious (recent) history with the U.S. that Iran has (don't want to start a debate over whose to blame for that, just stating a fact)

None that have vowed the destruction of one of our allies.

None whose leaders call us "The Great Satan"

The Nuclear Club as it stands now (off the top of my head):

U.S.
Russia
Great Britain
France
Germany
China
Israel
Pakistan
India
N. Korea

Only 2 of those states, Pakistan and N. Korea have joined since '79: N. Korea we helped with that - and are in REAL negotiations to disarm them , and Pakistan is going MAD with India.

Iran, IMO, is a different cat than any of those.

well it has been one guy who has changed the dynamics. What if we got rid of that one guy? It seems to me that the majority of Iranians view the USA favorably. if we attack them we may change their minds about us then the game really gets interesting. All I am saying is that bombing them isn't necessarily our only option. Too many people in this administration seem to like war..

[BeerIsGood!]

everyone we threaten. we went from being the most simpathized country to the most despised country in the matter of 2 years. impossible to imagine.

i think about my kid and the country that idiot has left him.

2 years? We've been despised by these people ever since we took their land and gave it to the Jews and called it Israel after WWII. Over 60 years ago.

I think it's pretty obvious they want to have one, but no one really knows if they will be able to get one. You kind of have to ask yourself three questions:

1) How badly do you not want them to have one?

2) What are you willing to do to keep them from having one?

3) What consequences are you willing to live with if you are wrong in assessing their desire/ability to have one?

I tend to view it as an "us against them" saga with myself being born on the American side of things. There are no good or evil sides to this, just us against them. I would personally kill anyone I have to in order to keep them from killing me, but that's just my philosophy.

[George Gervin's Afro]

i think we're getting what we asked for. do you think the hate for this country is being unfairly justifiable? you don't think we brought this on ourselves? who else should serve as blame for being the playmaker? the idea that bush is the only world leader that can be trusted is terrifying. hasn't anyone learned?

I agree with clam on this one. bush's cowboy diplomacy had us invading a country right next door to them. Should they feel threatened? If they do feel threatened then they are probably going to do whatever they have to do which includes building enough bombs so that people won't think about invading or attacking them.

[BeerIsGood!]

To clarify, I'm not saying that we should go and bomb these people because I'm not even sure that would be very effective to our cause at this point. What I do think we should do is stop fighting our little partisan bull fights and really break this thing down to it's core and decide just how big of a threat Iran is and decide the best course of action to handle it. That's kind of hard to do when everyone is backstabbing each other because they selfishly want a bigger piece of the political and financial pie for themselves.

[George Gervin's Afro]

2 years? We've been despised by these people ever since we took their land and gave it to the Jews and called it Israel after WWII. Over 60 years ago.

I think it's pretty obvious they want to have one, but no one really knows if they will be able to get one. You kind of have to ask yourself three questions:

1) How badly do you not want them to have one?

2) What are you willing to do to keep them from having one?

3) What consequences are you willing to live with if you are wrong in assessing their desire/ability to have one?

I tend to view it as an "us against them" saga with myself being born on the American side of things. There are no good or evil sides to this, just us against them. I would personally kill anyone I have to in order to keep them from killing me, but that's just my philosophy.

too bad it's not that simple.

[clambake]

if china invaded mexico, i think we'd be nervous. just a hypothetical

the terrorist were Saudi and operating in our country. our country.

[clambake]

I tend to view it as an "us against them" saga with myself being born on the American side of things. There are no good or evil sides to this, just us against them. I would personally kill anyone I have to in order to keep them from killing me, but that's just my philosophy.

you've just descibed everyone's philosophy. now, who's banging on who's door?