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Classic!Then there's the dunk Ginobili put on Yao Ming last week: The one making the "All-Decline" team that night was gravity.
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ATTENTION MANU CHURCH
Buck Harvey: Hard to deal? Kobe is not the exception
Web Posted: 11/12/2007 11:09 PM CST
Buck Harvey
San Antonio Express-News
Last summer, when ideas were bouncing around more than basketballs were, an NBA general manager in another city came to a conclusion. Now might be the best time to trade a 6-foot-6 star with three rings and a recognizable four-letter first name.
Yes, he said.
It would make sense to trade Manu Ginobili.
The Spurs never considered such a thing, and they had their reasons. For one, fans might have stormed the AT&T Center and burned it to the ground.
But even if the Spurs had wanted to trade Ginobili, would they have gotten equal value in return? Even if the Spurs had received players who were younger and could jump higher, would they have been able to duplicate what Ginobili has done for both the Spurs and their crowd?
The Lakers have their own answer to similar questions.
That's why Kobe Bryant will be in town tonight.
These two have rarely been lumped together, and one of the exceptions was last January. Then, after Ginobili blocked Bryant's shot at the end of a Spurs win, Bryant followed through with a blow to Ginobili's face.
Ginobili, as is customary, got a bruise. Bryant got a one-game suspension.
Otherwise, they have stood on the opposite ends of the NBA room. Ginobili, at half the price, has averaged about half as many points over his career. Ginobili also has played about a third of the NBA minutes, yet Ginobili, at about the same age, is the one who some think should be aging.
An ESPN columnist recently put Ginobili into a group he called the "All-Decline" team. "As a 30-year-old slasher," the ESPN columnist wrote, "we'd expect his numbers to go down."
That would be part of the trade logic of last summer. Given that Ginobili should be declining, he would never be more attractive to another team than he was then.
As predicted, Ginobili's numbers will likely go down because they have rarely been as high as they've been the first two weeks of this season. Ginobili is currently the Spurs' leading scorer, and that underscores how balanced the Spurs have become. Tim Duncan is third.
Then there's the dunk Ginobili put on Yao Ming last week: The one making the "All-Decline" team that night was gravity.
Knowing Ginobili, he will eventually take a few shots to a thigh, and he will sag. His scoring will drop as he shares with Duncan and Tony Parker, and Ginobili won't always be as confident and efficient as he was Sunday. Then, he put 21 points on Milwaukee in 19 minutes.
Players who consistently score more points will beat him out for an All-Star berth. And, going by this pattern, there might be a few weeks in January or February when the Spurs will be wondering when Manu will be Manu again.
But if the pattern continues, Ginobili will begin to make plays that few in the league can make. In moments that matter, he will turn the corner on a pick-and-roll, draw a foul on defense, attack the rim, find an open teammate.
He also will make fools of everyone who measures players by their numbers. He's averaged only about 14 points a game over his NBA career, for example. But in just the fourth quarters of the last road games in each of the Phoenix, Utah and Cleveland series last season, he averaged about 15 points.
Who does this? Who in the history of the sport averages more in vital playoff fourth quarters than in entire games in the regular season?
Ray Allen? Shawn Marion? Josh Howard? Each made the West All-Star roster last season, and a few months later, they combined to win one playoff series.
So Ginobili isn't Bryant. Ginobili's place in the game is unique.
Still, these two are the same when it comes to a trade. Just as the Lakers hesitate to trade Bryant because they can't get equal value, the Spurs would face a similar dilemma. Assuming players such as LeBron James and Dwight Howard wouldn't be available, there's not a package of talent that could replace what they do on the floor and at the box office.
So when is the right time to trade them?
Never.
Classic!Then there's the dunk Ginobili put on Yao Ming last week: The one making the "All-Decline" team that night was gravity.
Last edited by SAtown; 11-13-2007 at 04:09 PM.
yeah... that fourth quarter stat made me say out loud.
That's just ridiculous.
This more than anything shows what kind of player Manu is, and what he means to the team.
Clutch is an understatement here
Manu is the Argentinean god of Victory
averaging 15 pts in playoffs 4rd quartes last year just makes it more clear to me,that Manu is probably the clutchest player in NBA history.
like Shaq always sais about his FTs: I make them when they count. Manu does the same: he makes them when they count,but not only FTs, also layups, dunks, 3 pts shots, ect.
It's been so fun to see him back with such fire this season.
He is really our X factor.
With him playing out of his mind we're unbeatable.
averaging 15 pts in playoffs 4rd quartes last year just makes it more clear to me,that Manu is probably the clutchest player in NBA history.
Clutchest player in NBA history? We're reaching Jim Jones proportions with the Church of Manu.
Holy !!!!But in just the fourth quarters of the last road games in each of the Phoenix, Utah and Cleveland series last season, he averaged about 15 points.
this weeks race to the mvp, manu is 17.
http://www.nba.com/features/player_rankings.html
ok them,give me 3 examples of clutch players in the playoffs with more tham 3 NBA les.
Clutchest player in NBA history? We're reaching Jim Jones proportions with the Church of Manu.
I can only think of 2:
MJ
Big shot Bob
And thatīs about it.
Tim Duncan?
Larry Bird?
Magic Johnson?
SO you need three championships in order to be clutch?
Jerry West - "Mr. Clutch" doesn't count then?
it's not the best way to show Manu's clutch ability. A big part of these 15 points come from the line in the last minute when the other team foul Manu on purpose.But in just the fourth quarters of the last road games in each of the Phoenix, Utah and Cleveland series last season, he averaged about 15 points.
I love Manu and the 15 points per 4th quarter number is undoubtedly impressive.
But before we start crowning Manu as "the clutchest player ever" and such things, realize that it also encompasses only 3 quarters. During that time, Manu's scoring numbers came significantly from the free throw line -- he was 24-27 in the 4th quarters of those games (7-7 in Game 5 at PNX; 11-13 in Game 4 at UTH; and 6-7 in Game 4 in CLE). He did shoot the ball well from the floor (8-14 during those 3 quarters and 4-7 from the three point line), but the bulk of Manu's scoring in those quarters -- 24 of his 44 total points (15 in PNX, 16 in UTH, 13 in CLE) came from the stripe and some portion of those came in intentional foul situations late in those games.
I don't offer that to detract from Manu Ginobili's play during those games; getting it done on the road in playoff games is the truest measure of a champion and Manu undisputedly got it done. But I do think there has to be at least a small amount of perspective given to those numbers.
it would be more ammazing if manu could score more in the first 3 quarters then just his bulk always in the 4
his play in the 4 is great but his play in the 4 only counts for the w if his teamates can keep it close or ahead to that point
u Ducks.. U are such a Parker worshiper that everybody else doesn't matter. Recognize..
Without Manu, we won't have 3 Rings..
people said without david robinson they would suck to
I think you could replace manu or tp and spurs would win les with duncan
with another player with same or close talent
without tp setting the tone early manu late points would be useless
w are what counts
and without manu's late points, tonys early baskets are as good as wasted
your hatred of ginobili is astonishing
what does this thread have to do with your team BOSTON?
i believe i was making a valid argument that had nothing to do with my team, but everything to do with the spurs
Player rankings are a joke.. it just goes by how much you score, block, assist, etc. It doesn't talk about all the things the player does. Manu should be top 3 right now given how he is playing now.
My first post said what he did was amazing
it said had he scored all game long in the first 3 quarters then it would be more amazzing it was not a knock on him
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