hmmm too bad hegamboa is smart enough to scientifically validate every claim made by this exhibit...being so credentialed and all.
It's like he says, carbon dating does not disprove that Utahraptors lived 4,300 years ago.
And I just LOVE how creationism = original man was white.
ROFLROFLROFL
"Biblical history is the key (original emphasis) to understanding dinosaurs."
roflrofl
how sad can humans seriously be in the year 2007.
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Well, next year we won't have to worry any more if you believe the end of the Aztec calender is the end of time. From 4004 BC, next year is 2012! If the creation was actually 4004 BC, not 4000 BC, we are actually in 2011 now.
Wait...I thought Dinosaurs were fake! Now, they're incorporated, co-habitated with man, and rode the ark? I guess if you can't explain it away, spin and incorporate.
That was some funny .
Well what if Noah just stole some Dino eggs and made sure one was male and other female. LMAO I could picture that him risking his ass digging in a T-Rex nest looking for eggs. Then after it all, God's like:
So.....yeah umm......I'm just gonna kill off all the dinosaurs so you can put those eggs back. (With Bill Lumbergh's voice from Office Space)
What are they putting in the water in Florida these days? check out this editorial...
Theory Ignores Fact
RUSSELL A. WAHLIGBefore a decision as to whether or not evolution should be taught in Florida schools it is imperative that the proponents define precisely what the "Theory of Evolution" is. A recent editorial from a graduate student at USF indicates there is a great deal of ignorance on the subject.
The theory of evolution that claims all life forms evolved by time and chance is not a scientific fact. Scientific theories must either be observable or repeatable. Micro-evolution is an indisputable fact since it can be observed; as for example in the case of dogs where there are countless breeds, but a dog is still a dog.
Despite millions and millions of fossils that have been unearthed and studied there has yet to be one that was an intermediate form between species when there should have been thousands of examples. Every time an intermediate example has been brought forward it has later turned out to be a hoax. (So much for believing someone just because he has a science degree.)
Therefore, since the theory is not observable and not scientifically testable it must remain a theory and requires belief in its truth as much as belief in God and creation. Ordinarily, theories that defy established scientific laws (like the second law of thermodynamics) or are shown to be mathematically impossible are thrown out, but this has not been the case with evolution. Its adherents totally ignore any scientific evidence that conflicts with their beliefs.
Education should only teach factual information or evidence on both sides of debatable issues and how to discern the truth between disparate beliefs. To teach evolution as a scientific fact is not education, but indoctrination every bit as insidious as the rewriting of history by dictatorial regimes.
and...
The LedgerIt appears (to this average inquiring mind) that in order to believe in evolution the first requirement is to suspend one's innate human ability to reason. Pardon my ignorance, but this seems like "devolution" to me.
Please forgive me, but I am not yet so highly evolved that I am ready to swallow as scientific fact something that does not even pass the test of common sense. Perhaps in a few more years I will have devolved to the point of believing a theory that has been so obviously cut from whole-cloth.
An Orlando school is not going to accept readily the teaching of evolution in their high schools.,,,,
Orlando School Debates Including "Intelligent Design" in Class
ORLANDO, FL (AP) --LinkSome parents and teachers at an Orlando school are asking officials to include the controversial concept of "intelligent design" in the classroom.
Jones High School officials held a public meeting last night to discuss proposed revisions to state science standards. Several speakers called for including intelligent design, which explains the origins of life on earth as derived from an "intelligent cause" rather than through natural selection and evolution. Teacher and parent Veronica Bryant said a lack of fossil evidence supports evolution, and the complexity of life defies it.
Parents and educators elsewhere in Florida have also contacted the state Board of Education about teaching intelligent design since the state made the proposed standards public last month. Critics call intelligent design a thinly veiled religious theory.
And finally, Florida's plan to require evolution be taught in science class is being called "godless".
LinkThe downward spiral humanity is on is pathetically evolutionary, and is producing generations of godless adults.
It's certainly not true science. It is a lot of confusion along with
imagination and a wishful doctrine from confused people who cannot accept creationism.
I trust we have more competent leaders who will stop this nonsense being perpetrated on our students.
As a Christian, and one who regularly studies the bible....damn.
AND you just KNOW there are some of the loons with a stash of old human bones in their basement just WAITING to come accross some old dinosaur nest, so they can drop those human bones in there.
SEE!
Its called the Theory of Evolution for a reason, no doubt.
But.....I am....surprised isnt the word, that this conversation still exists.
The basic tenants of evolution havent changed since Darwin. One organism adapts and adjusts to its enviroment to improve its genetic chances.
IDism seems to be evolving as we speak. It would seem these folks havent entirely thought out their position either. Lets assume for a moment that ID is taught in schools, whose version of ID do they teach?
The 6000 year old Earth people?
Catholics? Protestants?
The religious peeps are all united now, but if this battle is won for them, they'll be at each others throats in minutes after the decision making sure "their version" and their agenda is met.
What a strange, strange place America is. Being ignorant and without opinion is starting to become the norm....so much so that others expect you to be the same way. Close your eyes, dont have an opinion, the way we do it is the best there is.
We will quickly become a 2nd tier nation with idiots like these having any sort of influence on society. Some fringe school wants to teach that dinosaurs co-habitated with humans, fine, its a free country. Publicly funded schools (a travesty in itself) shouldnt be subject to this sort of scientificly adbsent pressure.
We are a nation of opinion polls. Whatever we think is right, becomes fact. ID sounds better and makes humans more important than we actually are. Therefore, it feels better...must be fact.
For s sake.....
der "Christian" Reich, "Christian" Supremacists, hilarious phrases that perfectly peg these venal, scamming, fringe assholes.
I'm not a strict Creationist.... and since I don't share all of their stances I don't share their burden of proof. So yes, while I definitely believe that GOD created the Universe and everything therein, that is solely a matter of faith to me... Hence, no argument provided by me is ever going to convince you of anything.
But the burden of proof goes both ways... My point of contention has always been that adaptation is not synonymous with Evolution. That the processes we see at work today don't define or address what happened at point zero. It is you and those in your camp that when faced with that dilemma seek to win their argument by throwing in unrelated tangents. But if that didn't work for Sagan, or Dawkins it surely won't work for you.
I'm still waiting for someone to develop a repeatable experiment that can show once and for all how an immensely entropic genetic chain (the organic basis for life) formed from nothing but small chemical precursors. They would then need to show how the conditions that created said molecule, would not also automatically destroy it within microseconds. But let me just break it to you; this hurdle is insurmountable. The reducing conditions that favor the mechanisms that stabilize the biotic precursors to DNA, rNA or prions also destroy the products. The oxidizing mechanisms are even more destructive. Science cannot explain the origin of life. At least not yet. What is certain, is that random chance alone cannot explain the origin of life.
And frankly LMB, I don't care if my knowledgebase irks you the wrong way. I'm tired of your insults, and your baseless jabs. Either you bring a legitimate argument to the table, or shut it. Your personal attack on my beliefs only masquerades your inability to produce coherent arguments of your own.
Besides, I don't have the time to keep defending my position everytime someone brings up the topic from scratch. It is far too time consuming. My position has been stated many times before... [cue search feature].
Peace out.
You are so right. It is a theory, that as far as I know has
never been proven.
True, but saying some being in the sky created life and the universe as we know it isnt exactly science, is it?
Thats no way to approach any problem in life, whether it be scientific or personal.
God, as it is commonly referred, is not the answer to anything. Laying the foundation of our existence at the feet of invisible men is the flight of fancy reserved for children and the mentally impaired.
At least science has evidence that evolution could possibly be the process by which we all stand here today.
God-folks have nothing but a 2000 year old book based on stories passed down since ancient Egypt and the story of Horas and all the parallels thereof.
Science actively seeks the beginning, whereas God-peeps have no curiosity on the matter because God did it.
Thats ignorant.
Gravity is just a theory, but I'd be willing to bet that you if you let go of something in your hand that is heavier than the surrounding atmosphere you would expect it to fall.
Reminds me of this article --
Evangelical Scientists Refute Gravity With New 'Intelligent Falling' Theory
August 17, 2005 | Issue 41•33
KANSAS CITY, KS—As the debate over the teaching of evolution in public schools continues, a new controversy over the science curriculum arose Monday in this embattled Midwestern state. Scientists from the Evangelical Center For Faith-Based Reasoning are now asserting that the long-held "theory of gravity" is flawed, and they have responded to it with a new theory of Intelligent Falling.
"Things fall not because they are acted upon by some gravitational force, but because a higher intelligence, 'God' if you will, is pushing them down," said Gabriel Burdett, who holds degrees in education, applied Scripture, and physics from Oral Roberts University.
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Link to remainder
It's funny that a lot of science, to this point, is theory, including relativity, but his one little theory that runs counter to the book written by nomadic herdsmen thousands of years ago and thousands of miles away gets their knickers all in a twist.
The theory of evolution fails to address the irreducible complexity found in living organisms.
I think this guy makes a valid argument for intelligent design:
Irreducible Complexity: The Challenge to the Darwinian Evolutionary Explanations of many Biochemical Structures
I've never understood why any of this is taught in high school anyway. You've got kids who can't find the US on a globe for goodness sake. I saw something not too long ago where they asked people (adults) where Iraq was on a world map, and a surprising number of people pointed to Australia, for some reason.
Remember the 3 R's? Kids were alot smarter in those days. Let's lock those things down again and put peripheral stuff like this on hold for a while.
I blame UNESCO and the Department of Education for the decline of public education in this country. We need to get rid of both of them.
'UNESCO and the Department of Education"
public high schools are run by the states. Texas DoE s up Texas schoolbooks and curricula without any extra-state assistance. The fact that teachers are paid dirt, and mostly treated like dirt, keeps the best people from starting into and staying in teaching.
'UNESCO and the Department of Education" WTF?
Kids have a lot of distractions today that weren't around 20 years ago, but the key impediment is parents and family culture that guide/encourage the kids.
This is true. Evolution isn't needed to be taught. We do need to make sure students learn the basics before such higher concepts.
I guess I should have said "partly", but I wasn't being completely serious. I should have used one of these. I basically agree with what you said. I have a friend who deals with a teachers' union frequently. At the school district he works for it's almost impossible to fire a teacher - especially if they are a minority. One of many problems in the schools. If we want better teachers, we are going to have to raise their pay.
But does anybody think that the federal DoE and UNESCO have had a positive effect on education in this country? They clearly haven't; at best they are a waste of money.
I thought biologists demonstrated that Behe's "irreducibility complexity" argument as applied to the bacterial flagellum was wrong because the flagellum has a function even without the complex structure that comprises the "motor" function.
Link
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Pictures are certainly worth 1000 words, in this case.
Evidence that man and dinosaur existed at the same time....?
For crissakes, man and dinosaur still co-exist:Evidence that man and dinosaur existed at the same time....?
Duh.
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