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This is your best masterpiece yet Dan!
If you haven't been following John Kerry closely, get ready to hear of surprising developments. The vote-defrauded, potential president-in-waiting has just indicated through his lawyer that the validity of George Bush's reelection is no longer a given.
On 23 December, 2004 Kerry's lawyer confirmed to MSNBC's 'Countdown' that John Kerry will be seeking (likely on Monday 27 Dec.) to expedite court proceedings and secure evidence in an ongoing recount suit by the Green and Libertarian parties. That might sound like just another "count every vote" exercise by the Kerry campaign, were it not for two important details.
Kerry's court filing will conjoin him to existing allegations that Triad GSI, a Republican-linked supplier of voting machines to around half of Ohio counties --"orchestrated" a covert campaign to thwart a legitimate recount in Ohio. If the allegation proves well founded, it could invalidate the Ohio recount and eventually even hand the presidency to John Kerry.
Ohio
Kerry compared to Gore
Electronic voting +4.52%
Non-Triad punch cards +2.43%
Optic scans +0.05%
Triad punch cards -0.95%
Triad alone cost Kerry
102,000 votes. more
Which probably explains the second critical detail: a quiet, on the record bombs statement to 'Countdown' by Daniel Hoffheimer, the Cincinnati lawyer representing the Kerry campaign in Ohio.
Previously, the Kerry Campaign's intent in Ohio seemed to be merely an exercise of American civic spiritedness.
Two weeks ago, when Kerry wrote to Ohio's 88 county boards of election asking to visually inspect some ballots, Donald McTigue, the lawyer handling the recount for the Kerry campaign said: "We're trying to increase the transparency of the election process."
In early December, when the Kerry Campaign joined a suit by Green and Libertarian party candidates seeking a recount in Delaware County, Daniel Hoffheimer said Kerry wasn't disputing President Bush's victory in Ohio. The aim was to make sure any recount was "done accurately and completely," Hoffheimer said.
Now MSNBC 'Countdown' reports the same Hoffheimer, in comments on their imminent filing in the Ohio recount, concluding their call for a scrupulous recount with this caveat:
"...Only then can the integrity of the entire electoral process and the election of Bush/Cheney warrant the public trust."
That's the first time the Kerry Campaign has impugned the legitimacy of Bush's reelection.
RECOUNT CHEAT SHEETS
It's a signal move, likely driven by emerging evidence of su ious activity by representatives of Triad GSI during the recount in Ohio. Evidence which has led a senior Democrat, ranking House Judiciary Cmtee. member, John Conyers Jr. to accuse Brett A. Rapp, the boss of Triad GSI of orchestrating a criminal conspiracy to pervert the outcome of the Ohio recount.
The allegations first surfaced before an extraordinary Ohio hearing convened by Conyers on behalf of Democratic Minority members of the House Judiciary Committee. An affidavit filed by Sherole Eaton, Hocking County deputy director of elections, stated that a Triad representative had told her "how to post a 'cheat sheet' on the wall so the ...count would come out perfect and we wouldn't have to do a full hand recount of the county."
That account has been corroborated by other officials and by extracts from a video do entary in which a Triad technician admits that the company was in possession of computer "backup" copies of the official election data.
SIGNAL, THEN MANEUVER
If the recount was fraudulent, does that have implications for the validity of the first count in Ohio? The Kerry campaign knows full well that it does. That's why their latest statement questions the "integrity" of the "entire" electoral process. And the election of Bush/Cheney.
For Kerry, a fraudulent recount in Ohio could be an open door into to the Oval Office. Already, John Conyers is confident that a few U.S. Senators will join House members on January 6 to question the November 2 election. On Thursday, the Chicago Tribune reported that in a conference call with journalists Jesse Jackson said that Kerry had conceded the presidential election "much too soon. Before all the facts were in."
But don't expect Kerry to quickly rush to a microphone in order to unconcede. He doesn't have to. His unconcession will take effect by default.
If the Ohio recount is shown fraudulent, the domino effect could carry him through that door without claiming victory or even unconceding.
Simply by allowing Bush's claim on the Office of President to fall --piece by fraudulent piece. Nudging the dominoes to topple in the right way.
Thus leaving Kerry, poised to step into office over the Bush debris.
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Last edited by Nbadan; 12-27-2004 at 06:59 AM.
This is your best masterpiece yet Dan!
Mr. Kerry, with all due respect....the election is over.
im just trying to be serious. do u honestly think that bush will not continue to be president in 2005??lets make a bet right here, right now.if i am right u never post these idiotic messages again. if ur right i will give ya a plane ticket and cash to go visit kerry up in washington and possibly u may stay there forever
Bush is in up to his neck. No way he goes.
It is finished.
he agrees with me. thanks. now if we can just get it thru everyone elses mind.....the election is OVER.Bush is in up to his neck. No way he goes.
Good, let's recount Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan, all whose margins for Kerry were closer than this stupid ass "questioning" of the Ohio vote.
What do you say to that Dan?
Unconceding (is that a real word?) and joining forces with the Greenies and the Libertarians to contest Ohio just marginalizes the good fight Kerry put up in the first place. If the recount doesn't produce a different result, and put the odds on that at about 25-1 or so, Senator Kerry's just made the Democratic party weaker. The odds stink too bad to hitch his political career and the party to.
Bringing up a president on fraud charges and booting him out of office puts the US on the same level as the over the top corrupt Ukranian soap opera. That said, this administration survived Florida in 2000, a much closer questionable call. There's no way that they'll drop the ball with Ohio this go round.
We lost. That sucks, but doing marginally legit audits and the like are only going to make the country's division deeper, and make more NeoCon propaganda material.
I think W will be inaugurated President and begin his second term, but I don't think the election fraud investigations that are currently going on in Ohio and Florida are just going to go away like most Republicans and the MSM prefer them too. If the evidence helps to prove that there was voter fraud committed, as I think it eventually will, the Senate will have no choice but to launch a independent investigation that could throw a dark cloud over the legitimacy of W's second term and any mandate he may feel he has a claim too. Remember, the wheels of justice turn slow, but they do turn.im just trying to be serious. do u honestly think that bush will not continue to be president in 2005??lets make a bet right here, right now.if i am right u never post these idiotic messages again. if ur right i will give ya a plane ticket and cash to go visit kerry up in washington and possibly u may stay there forever
The problem is is that Kerry won most of these states despite a unusually high number of Optical voting scan machine errors and miscounts that dropped Kerry votes or counted votes for Kerry for Bush instead. If we were to have a full recount of these states, it is likely that even more voting machine fraud will be uncovered. Do you honestly think the NeoCons want that?Good, let's recount Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan, all whose margins for Kerry were closer than this stupid ass "questioning" of the Ohio vote.
What do you say to that Dan?
You know, I'm going to eat some crow. I've bagged on Dan and other people who have beenkeeping this going, but there is now more and more momentum is building, and perhaps they are onto something.
It is interesting none the less.
maybe a twenty five cent bullet will find a way to hit kerry
this country does not need this
they need to fix the mess they created
states need to work on the election machines and get it to be more smother
but politicians need to say out of it.
"Remember, the wheels of justice turn slow, but they do turn." ...........................AGREED......as is evedinced by the election outcome!
Ohio GOP election officials ducking subpoenas as Kerry enters stolen vote fray
by Bob Fitrakis, Steve Rosenfeld and Harvey Wasserman
December 28, 2004
COLUMBUS -- Ohio Republican Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell refused to appear at a deposition on Monday, December 27. The deposition was part of an election challenge lawsuit filed at the Ohio Supreme Court. Meanwhile John Kerry is reported to have filed a federal legal action aimed at preserving crucial recount evidence, which has been under GOP assault throughout the state.
Richard Conglianese, Ohio Assistant Attorney General, is seeking a court order to protect Blackwell from testifying under oath about how the election was run. Blackwell, who administered Ohio's November 2 balloting, served as co-chair of the Bush-Cheney campaign.
James R. s, Miami County Assistant Prosecuting Attorney, filed a motion to block a subpoena in his county while Conglianese filed to block subpoenas in ten key Ohio counties.
President George Bush, Vice-President Richard Cheney and White House Political Advisor Karl Rove received notice that they will be deposed Tuesday and Wednesday, December 28 and 29. The trio’s Ohio attorney, Kurt Tunnell, so far claims his clients have not been properly served. Under Ohio law, the Republican-dominated Ohio Supreme Court is responsible for serving the three with subpoenas.
Meanwhile, the Election Protection legal team has collected new statements under oath describing more voting and vote-counting problems on November 2.
Voters in Trumbull County have testified that on Election Day they received punch-card ballots where holes were already punched for Bush. Meanwhile, a notarized affidavit signed by Angela Greene, who voted at Whitehall Yearling High School in central Ohio's Franklin County, stated that one of the malfunctioning electronic voting machines at her polling place was delivered without a cartridge – meaning votes cast might have gone uncounted.
In Miami County, Blackwell certified a 98.6% turnout in the Concord Southwest precinct, comprised of 520 votes for Bush and 157 for Kerry. This statistically improbable turnout has all but 10 of the 689 registered voters casting their ballots on Election Day. A preliminary canvas by The Free Press of less than half the precinct found 25 registered voters admitting they had not voted, meaning the official tally was almost certainly fraudulent.
The nearby Concord South precinct certified a 94.27% voter turnout, with 468 alleged votes for Bush versus 182 for Kerry. Miami County is included in the election challenge since it somehow reported nearly 19,000 additional votes after 100% of the precincts had reported on Election Day.
In Madison County, where public records requests were filed to obtain voting records, the voting results provided by the Madison County Board of Elections came directly from a private company, Triad Governmental Systems, Inc. An email dated November 29, 2004 from Brandon Sandlin of Triad reads as follows: “ o to all in Madison County! Attached you will find the ulative report (oh49unov.pdf) with over and under votes reported as well as the official abstract (oh49abs.pdf). These reports may be printed for your records and then mailed to the state along with your other certification reports.” Coming from a private corporation, Triad's letter underscores the barriers to making a reliable independent public assessment and recount of Ohio's presidential tally.
In Mahoning County, the Washington Post reported new affidavits do enting electronic "vote hopping" from Kerry to Bush. This means voting machines highlighted the choice for Bush before the voter recorded a choice of his or her own. The legal team has been told by a computer expert that this may mean the machines were pre-set on a Bush vote as a default. The Free Press has obtained dozens such sworn statements of vote hopping.
The legal team is also exploring new evidence that in Coshocton, Ohio, write-in votes wrongly defaulted to Bush when run through the voting machine.
On December 23, U.S. Representative John Conyers, Jr. of the House Judiciary Committee, wrote a letter to Triad President Brett A. Rapp inquiring whether or not Triad possessed remote access capabilities for any of the 41 counties where its election tabulation software or computers are in use.
Attorneys for the election challenge team are also exploring ties between Triad and the Tennessee-based company Datamaxx. Ohio public safety and police agencies use the Datamaxx DMPP2020 software for its LEADS computer systems. Datamaxx makes numerous remote access products that law enforcement can access with mobile and handheld computers.
The Free Press has also obtained a list of all voting machines assigned in Franklin County, including serial numbers. The list contains at least 42 machines originally assigned to predominantly African-American and inner city wards that voted 80% for Kerry, and where voters waited in line for three hours and more on Election Day. These 42 machines were blacked out on the list, raising the question of whether these were among the 68 machines the Franklin County Board of Elections has admitted holding back in the warehouse despite obvious shortages at certain polling places. Affidavits from poll workers confirm that numerous requests for more machines were made through election day, but that few if any were delivered.
Franklin County Board of Elections Chair Bill Anthony claims that low-level poll workers refused to accept the machines assigned by high-ranking election officials. But he has yet to provide specific details. Anthony has repeatedly claimed that he was a watchdog for Democratic interests in the election, but he was a political appointee of the Republican Secretary of State.
Under Ohio election law, the members, directors and deputy directors of all boards of elections are assigned by the Secretary of State. They hold these paying jobs at his discretion regardless of whether they are Democrat or Republican. A major argument of those who claim Ohio’s 2004 presidential election was fraud-free centers on the myth that local precincts are run as bipartisan operations, deflecting charges of partisan interference while failing to account for the fact that the principles all owe their jobs to the Secretary of State, who in this case served as co-chair of the state's Bush-Cheney campaign.
These problems add to the established pattern of problems that favored Bush at Kerry’s expense.
Despite the legal stonewalling, lawyers directing the election challenge case are still pursuing evidence-gathering efforts. Three expert witnesses are scheduled to be deposed on Thursday and Friday, including specialists in statistics and vote counting irregularities.
The challengers are seeking a January 4th hearing before the Ohio Supreme Court. Members of Congress meet in Washington on January 6 to evaluate the Electoral College vote. Led by Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), it is virtually certain numerous members of the Congressional Black Caucus will challenge that vote. But the assent of a Senator is required for the challenge to go forward, and thus far none has definitively confirmed.
Despite ducking depositions, Blackwell is escalating his public appearances in hopes of becoming Ohio’s next governor. On January 12, 2005, Blackwell is scheduled to speak at the exclusive Scioto Country Club on the topic of “Ethics in Leadership.” Blackwell became nationally known after disenfranchising voters who had not registered on 80-pound bond paper stock under an archaic Ohio law. He reversed longstanding Ohio tradition that allowed voters to cast provisional votes by county by ruling that none of these votes would be counted unless the voter was in the right precinct. He also was recently censured for running a “get out the vote” campaign for Issue One, a Cons utional amendment banning gay marriage and spousal benefits.
Meanwhile, Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) was reported to be filing a brief in federal court in relation to the activities of Triad and events in Hocking County, where serious questions have arisen as to the integrity of the recount. Kerry previously circulated a letter to all 88 counties requesting information on how the vote was conducted. The Kerry campaign raised millions of dollars from grassroots supporters with the promise that "all votes would be counted." But the Democrats are not known to have helped fund the legal work of the Green and Libertarian Parties and their grassroots Election Protection supporters, who have raised the money for the shoestring campaign that has kept the legal challenges alive thus far.
An Election Protection rally in downtown Columbus has been set by Rev. Jesse Jackson for 2pm Monday, January 3. It will be followed by a national gathering in Washington January 6, to take place as Congress evaluates the Electoral College and the Ohio votes, which have allegedly given George W. Bush another term in the White House.
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I don't read Nbadanallah's posts anymore ("Nbadan: This user is on your Ignore List.") but, let me surmise he is holding out hope that some vast conspiracy will be uncovered and that it will reverse the outcome of the election in Ohio -- forcing Kerry into office come January 21st.
There are more than just a couple of problems with that hope, lets look at the top couple of obstacles John Kerry would need to surmount:
1) The U.S. Cons ution specifically states that States may choose their electors in any way their respective Legislatures see fit so long as they don't change the way they do it in the middle of an election -- a la Florida 2000 (I still find it difficult to understand why Demoncrats fail to grasp the equal protection clause and ex post fact law-making violations committed by the Florida Supremes). Ohio certified the vote and sent their electors to college, that's a done deal...
2) The electoral college has voted, on December 12th of this year, and the results have been duly recognized by the United States Congress...and, for that, there are no State remedies for reversal no matter how much Ohio Demoncrats cook the books from here until next election day...
It wouldn't matter, as was the case in the 1960 election, if you figured out today the Republicans cheated...period, end of story. Once the elections are certified by the respective states, the electors slated, and the electoral college convened and polled -- it's ing over.
By the way, I think it's hilarious some Demoncratic elector voted for John Edwards and further reduced the electoral count for Kerry. But, that underscores the finality of the electoral college vote. Do you think if they can't figure out how to reverse a mistakenly cast electoral vote they can somehow undo a certified election?
Last edited by Yonivore; 12-29-2004 at 05:48 PM.
Spare me, some of the voter fraud reports out of the Philadelphia area in favor of Kerry make what happened in Ukraine sound amateur.The problem is is that Kerry won most of these states despite a unusually high number of Optical voting scan machine errors and miscounts that dropped Kerry votes or counted votes for Kerry for Bush instead. If we were to have a full recount of these states, it is likely that even more voting machine fraud will be uncovered.
Yoni,
IF (big ing, no huge ing if), a conspiracy were to have happend, you honestly think that the people would simply let it go?
I'm just asking your opinion on the matter.
I'm kind of torn, part of me thinks that the nation wouldn't care, it's apathy is huge. But there's a part of me that if a conspiracy were uncovered, would love to see the us people step up the way the ukraine did.
Sure. Why not? They let it go in 1960...
Wrong. The Ohio electors aren't certified by Congress until January 6th, but there are interesting developments that aren't being covered by the MSM developing that could change all this...Ohio certified the vote and sent their electors to college, that's a done deal...
Truthout.orgConyers to Object to Ohio Electors, Requests Senate Allies
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Report
Thursday 30 December 2004
Representative John Conyers, ranking minority member of the House Judiciary Committee, will object to the counting of the Ohio Electors from the 2004 Presidential election when Congress convenes to ratify those votes on January 6th. In a letter dispatched to every Senator, which will be officially published by his office shortly, Conyers declares that he will be joined in this by several other members of the House. Rep. Conyers is taking this dramatic step because he believes the allegations and evidence of election tampering and fraud render the current slate of Ohio Electors illegitimate.
"As you know," writes Rep. Conyers in his letter, "on January 6, 2005, at 1:00 P.M, the electoral votes for the election of the president are to be opened and counted in a joint session of Congress. I and a number of House Members are planning to object to the counting of the Ohio votes, due to numerous unexplained irregularities in the Ohio presidential vote, many of which appear to violate both federal and state law."
The letter goes on to ask the Senators who receive this letter to join Conyers in objecting to the Ohio Electors. "I am hoping that you will consider joining us in this important effort," writes Conyers, "to debate and highlight the problems in Ohio which disenfranchised innumerable voters. I will shortly forward you a draft report itemizing and analyzing the many irregularities we have come across as part of our hearings and investigation into the Ohio presidential election."
There are expected to be high level meetings with high ranking Democratic officials next week to coordinate a concerted lobbying effort to convince Senators to challenge the vote. The Green Party and David Cobb, as has been true all along, will be centrally involved in this process, as will Rev. Jackson.
...more, including the rest of the letter and specific Senatorial targets...
I say let Conyers and co. knock themselves out.
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