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Good point. I've never seen that before and for that split second I tried thinking if I had ever seen a play like that before.
The recap: Howard (?) is throwing the ball in from the right baseline with Manu defending. Dirk cus left-to-right out of bounds underneath the basket, then cuts between the inbounder and Manu, bumping Manu off the baseline slightly. Bruce, who was supposed to be guarding Dirk, gets caught up in no man's land in the lane, and Dirk pops free in the right corner for a wide-open look on the pass.
If that was the design, it's brilliant, but is it legal? According to the NBA Rulebook, Rule 8 ("The Throw-In"), Section IIIa:
It seems to me that both of those were violated when Dirk a) circled out of bounds and then b) cut in front of Manu. Although it seems it would have been equally illegal, although maybe even sneakier, if he had gone behind the inbounds passer.Until the passed ball has crossed the plane of the boundary, no player shall have any part of his person over the boundary line and teammates shall not occupy positions parallel or adjacent to the baseline if an opponent desires one of those positions. The defensive man shall have the right to be between his man and the basket.
Anyone seen this before?
Good point. I've never seen that before and for that split second I tried thinking if I had ever seen a play like that before.
Dirk got slightly pushed out by Elson, but still, I don't think he reestablished himself totally before getting back in.
Good eye dude. I wondered how dirt was so wide open in the corner.
and where the was bowen on that last play?
Although I'd need to see it again, I'm pretty sure Dirk had re-established himself before getting the pass. My question is him going out of bounds in the first place.
He was where he was supposed to be. It was Elson guarding airspace and out of position on the last play.
As I said above, Bowen got caught looking when Dirk went out of bounds. He was kind of loitering in the paint, I think waiting for Dirk to cut in to the basket. When Dirk went to the corner Bowen was still in the paint.
Look at the play again, it was Finley who was truly out of position.
Is that part referencing the passer? The defender? Or anyone?
elson sucks
there was also a moving screen by the mavs that allowed dirk to break free
I looked at it. And saw Elson getting ripped by Bowen and Tim about f'ing up.
Wow! I should've known.
Still someone still should've rolled over and contested that shot. No way you leave THAT GUY wide open. He hits that shot, and we're having a very different conversation right now.
I thought it was a legal play but I'd have to look at it again. Elson probably should have been on Dirk but Elson looked and saw Manu over there near the corner and went back to protect the right side of the lane. If Elson had run to Dirk, he would have left the whole right side of the lane open for the cutter.
> 5 seconds also.
Bowen and Elson were supposed to switch. Elson didn't switch and that's why he was just standing there in relative proximity to Bruce.
That's why as soon as Dirk missed, Bowen was tapping Elson on the back and then "explaining" to him that he f'd up and didn't switch.
I quoted it verbatim. It's not very well-worded, but this is my interpretation:
Once the ref hands the ball to the inbounds passer, the passer is the only guy who can be out of bounds. Nobody else on either team can be.
Now, the rule book makes an exception after a made basket, which most of us are aware of:
After a score, field goal or free throw, the latter coming as the result of a personal foul, any player of the team not credited with the score shall put the ball into play from any point out-of-bounds at the endline of the court where the point(s) were scored. He may pass the ball to a teammate behind the endline; however, the five-second throw-in rule applies. This rule also applies to the player of the team with possession at the start of the second, third and fourth periods.
manu was there too
raising arms like inthe 0.4 shot
at first glance yes, but look at Finley giving up position under the basket. Cisco saw that and guarded the Rim. If Cisco runs at Dirk, there's an easy two down low. Cisco made the right decision IMO, though he was suppossed to run at Dirk.
the league needs to review that play
That makes sense. Except how are you supposed to switch off on a guy when he running out of bounds behind a wall of players?
He didn't really guard the rim thoughHe just stood in no man's land. There was a pick - he was supposed to switch. That's part of Spurs basics and something that he messes up a lot. Bowen and Duncan both talked to him about it as the game ended.
I don't know about the running out of bounds part
They cheated and they still can't beat the Spurs. With Duncan out.
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