Mitt Romney's Faith Speech

[JoeChalupa]

The man nailed it. Although he only mentioned Mormons once in his speech he sounded very presidential, ala JFK, and did a good job that I think evangelicals will respond too. This is the base he was going after, IMO.
I don't think a candidate's religious beliefs should have anything to do with how they will run the country although I think Huckabee may disagree since he's pushing his Christianity in his campaign.

Well done Mitt.

[AZLouis]

"There are some who may feel that religion is not a matter to be seriously considered in the context of the weighty threats that face us. If so, they are at odds with the nation's founders," Romney said.

"Freedom requires religion, just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone," he said.

As a man with no religion I guess I am not free.

Sweet though, maybe he can get in and not pay attention to facts and advice and instead pray to the almighty for answers in leading this country. While others pray for answers on how to destroy it.

[101A]

The man nailed it. Although he only mentioned Mormons once in his speech he sounded very presidential, ala JFK, and did a good job that I think evangelicals will respond too. This is the base he was going after, IMO.
I don't think a candidate's religious beliefs should have anything to do with how they will run the country although I think Huckabee may disagree since he's pushing his Christianity in his campaign.

Well done Mitt.

Except that Mormons are nuts.

[xrayzebra]

The man nailed it. Although he only mentioned Mormons once in his speech he sounded very presidential, ala JFK, and did a good job that I think evangelicals will respond too. This is the base he was going after, IMO.
I don't think a candidate's religious beliefs should have anything to do with how they will run the country although I think Huckabee may disagree since he's pushing his Christianity in his campaign.

Well done Mitt.

I heard excerpts and yes Joe he did a fine job and did
sound Presidential. Now if he can just follow-up with
the rest of his campaign. He will have my vote.


I loved the fact on how he talked about how our
government was founded. It needs to be talked about
a heck of a lot more.

[JoeChalupa]

I heard excerpts and yes Joe he did a fine job and did
sound Presidential. Now if he can just follow-up with
the rest of his campaign. He will have my vote.


I loved the fact on how he talked about how our
government was founded. It needs to be talked about
a heck of a lot more.

And how is that? Are you gong the way of "it was founded on Christianity"?

[clambake]

I loved the fact on how he talked about how our
government was founded. It needs to be talked about
a heck of a lot more.

if this were true you'd have a man-crush on ron paul. you've made another false claim.

[xrayzebra]

And how is that? Are you gong the way of "it was founded on Christianity"?

Are you saying it wasn't? I do say it was. And don't
start the usual Thomas Jefferson quotes. There were
other founders.

[xrayzebra]

if this were true you'd have a man-crush on ron paul. you've made another false claim.

Ron Paul has some good points. Just that he has some
other points I do not necessarily care for.

[JoeChalupa]

Are you saying it wasn't? I do say it was. And don't
start the usual Thomas Jefferson quotes. There were
other founders.

True but it was Thomas Jefferson and James Madison that gave us religious liberty and church-state separation.
Yes there were other founders but in no way was Christianity ever to be the religion of America.

[xrayzebra]

True but it was Thomas Jefferson and James Madison that gave us religious liberty and church-state separation.
Yes there were other founders but in no way was Christianity ever to be the religion of America.

I didn't say "The Religion". I said "founded" on
the principles of Christianity. All the founders agreed
that no "official" "government" religion should exist. But
they did not forbid the government from recognizing
religion did exist.

[Extra Stout]

I had a discussion this week about whether believing in the total depravity of man was compatible with believing in the viability of democracy.

What would the Founders have thought?

[clambake]

they would have thought that we're trading a soldiers life for a quart of pennzoil

[Extra Stout]

Oh.

[Extra Stout]

In Mitt's speech about faith, did he talk about his holy underwear?

[clambake]

In Mitt's speech about faith, did he talk about his holy underwear?

i'd forgotten about that

[AFBlue]

I didn't say "The Religion". I said "founded" on
the principles of Christianity. All the founders agreed
that no "official" "government" religion should exist. But
they did not forbid the government from recognizing
religion did exist.

Many of the founders were Diests, not Christians. Sure they recognized religion, but the founding principles were not solely based in Christianity.

If that were the case, perhaps it would say "In Jesus Christ We Trust" on printed money.....but it doesn't.

[101A]

I had a discussion this week about whether believing in the total depravity of man was compatible with believing in the viability of democracy.

What would the Founders have thought?

Compatible?

I'd say it necessitate's it as being the best (although certainly not perfect) option because of it. Although, because of that depravity, the majority's will must be checked by STRONG individual rights.

[AFBlue]

As a man with no religion I guess I am not free.

Sweet though, maybe he can get in and not pay attention to facts and advice and instead pray to the almighty for answers in leading this country. While others pray for answers on how to destroy it.

Were you going to vote for him anyway? I highly doubt it.

Besides, I doubt you'll find any of the candidates playing down their religion in the coming months. Whether they're truly religious or not, expect every candidate to re-affirm their faith in Christ, talk about how often they go to church, and how they pray to God for guidance.

Looks like you're SOL....j/k

[Extra Stout]

Compatible?

I'd say it necessitate's it as being the best (although certainly not perfect) option because of it. Although, because of that depravity, the majority's will must be checked by STRONG individual rights.

But if man is totally depraved, then that means only those who have been transformed by grace could be competent to make moral choices in government, does it not?

[Extra Stout]

Were you going to vote for him anyway? I highly doubt it.

Besides, I doubt you'll find any of the candidates playing down their religion in the coming months. Whether they're truly religious or not, expect every candidate to re-affirm their faith in Christ, talk about how often they go to church, and how they pray to God for guidance.

Looks like you're SOL....j/k

Hillary has been a guest preacher at the pulpit of a few left-leaning Methodist churches before.

[PixelPusher]

I didn't say "The Religion". I said "founded" on
the principles of Christianity. All the founders agreed
that no "official" "government" religion should exist. But
they did not forbid the government from recognizing
religion did exist.

Our government was "founded" on Greco-Roman ins utions of government; there's nothing inheritly "Christian" about a Republic or Democracy...Christianity, like most religions, is a top-down autocracy, more suitable to monarchies.

[Extra Stout]

Our government was "founded" on Greco-Roman ins utions of government; there's nothing inheritly "Christian" about a Republic or Democracy...Christianity, like most religions, is a top-down autocracy, more suitable to monarchies.

I'd be curious for you to explain your assertion that most world religions are top-down autocracies.

[PixelPusher]

I'd be curious for you to explain your assertion that most world religions are top-down autocracies.

"Christ is King"

EDIT: "Most" is probably an overstatement, since i have Christianity and Islam on the brain. I don't imagine there are a great many religions that eschew religious authority figures for a "vote" on beliefs.

EDIT 2:...ok, the Episcopalians voting on the gay thing would count.

[Extra Stout]

"Christ is King"

EDIT: "Most" is probably an overstatement, since i have Christianity and Islam on the brain. I don't imagine there are a great many religions that eschew religious authority figures for a "vote" on beliefs.

EDIT 2:...ok, the Episcopalians voting on the gay thing would count.

Other than the Roman Catholics, I don't think any of the major world religions has a rigid universal ecclesiocracy.

[JoeChalupa]

Long live the Pope!!