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Yes, the Arizona Memorial is truly moving. I was stationed at Kaneohe Bay and everytime we went it always moved us.
Semper Fi!!!
66 years ago...
USS Shaw
USS Arizona
USS Phoenix (fg), USS West Virginia (lr), USS Arizona (rr)
Today
If you've never been...it is a powerful experience. It's cliche', but no words I can put here can properly describe what feelings went through me (and family) when I was there.
Yes, the Arizona Memorial is truly moving. I was stationed at Kaneohe Bay and everytime we went it always moved us.
Semper Fi!!!
It's very hard to comprehend what those young men went through that Sunday morning.
Got to hand it to the American people also. They responded as
they should have. Much like we started out on 9/11 in which
many Americans now could care less about.
I hope Pearl Harbor is always remembered. For the bravery of our
military personnel and the sacrifice they made on that day
sixty-six years ago.
As long as Rudy's in the race we won't forget 9/11.
Did FDR tell them to "go shopping" afterwards?
You do realize that there have been more days between the beginning of the Iraq war and today that there were from Pearl Harbor day to the signing of the do ents on the USS Missouri in Tokyo harbor acknowledging Japan's surrender? You can only hold the American people's attention for so long, and that time has passed, with no end to this Iraq quagmire in sight.
Whats your point? Two totally different conflicts. We lost almost 300K GI's in that period.
and we won and had started to help rebuild the nations we destroyed.
Agreed. In Iraq, the democrats want us to just leave and let the place fall into chaos without rebuilding. We cannot effectively rebuild until me can keep some stability.
Even if we do succeed in building Iraq into a shining light of democracy there will still be Saudis, Egyptians, and other Arabs and Muslims around the world who will want to kill us because of our government's vital support of corrupt Arab dictators.
When do we get to the root of the problem?
Of course not. But to expect changing the world is ridiculous. Iraq is a long term commitment. No one with a brain thought otherwise. Now that we are there, we simply cannot abandon them.
We spent decades with Germany and Japan, with communist countries around them. To suggest the same cannot happen with Iraq is... I wont say.
For the life of me, I cannot understand why anyone with any ethics would want to yank us out, when we have succeeded with such things in history before.
Like I keep saying. The democrats are invested in defeat. They own defeat. Remember Viet Nam?
exactly, we left germany and japan right away... i don't believe there are any troops there now... and we left bosnia the day after too. exactly like clinton said we would.
'Iraq is a long term commitment"
... that was not announced and priced before 2003, one of the many lies of omission by the neo- s. The vast majority of all Americans and now a majority of military families want ALL US troops out of Iraq ASAP. aka the will of the people.
The US occupying Iraq against the will of Americans will prove to everybody that the corps and plutocrats run the USA to enrich themselves, not to serve the people.
so did iraq and afghanistan. we know the enemy, they choose to hide though. we do have international support.we will never have 100% intl support. plus, the u.s. has to do what is in our best interests, not what the intl community feels..
they are taken care of there. north korea will never try to overrun them.
If you pansies would let the President fight this war the way FDR was allowed to fight that one, and if we were willing to lose a half million American soldiers doing so, I don't think you'd be making that statement.
Actually...it won't be us they want to kill...it'll be the Iraquis, the Israelis and any other non theorcratic/monarchsitic nations in the area....
And they won't be able to pull the Amerian/Jew plot card anymore to keep their unworthy governments in power...
They'll have to pull the Arab/Muslim card to keep trying to tap the hate and outrage caused by their medievil style incompetetnt leadership...only it won't work anymore...because Arabs and Muslims are racial and religious bigots and xenophobes...not self hating....they leave the self hating to the jews and liberal Americans.
Really not hard to figure out...
Um...our leaders aren't going to let the House of Saud get overthrown, unless its by a group that's even more friendly to our ME interests. The Saudi people don't like the royal family, the non wealthy Arabs in Egypt and the small Persian Gulf states don't like them or their own governments either, and we give these dictators money and have pledged to defend them militarily.
That's why people in those countries are sympathetic to OBL and AQ, even though living under the kind of regime that they want would be even worse. They see them as their best chance to get rid of their corrupt ruling elite, which they know can't happen as long as the biggest power on earth is backing them with money and force. And the powers that be in this country aren't going to stop backing them because it is not in their interest to do so. That's the root cause of all of this.
Really not hard to figure out...
We can pressure the Sauds for Democratic reform...in fact, we are doing so, and there's been more progress on that front in the last 6 years than in the previous 80 years. Helps if they've seen you take out a country that you had issues with...helps quite a bit.
The Sauds have a trillion dollars invested in our economy...probably a not a good idea to just take a wrecking ball to them, without good reason...not to mention that whole Islamic Holyland thing they have going...
But the fact is, the more Democracies in the mid-east, the harder it will be for the un-democractic countries to stay hardline...with Israel being the only one there it's easy to those leaders to tap into xenophobia and religious bigotry and denounce their way of life and governing...once it's an Arab country that's not hole it becomes much harder...it also becomes harder for them to claim America only wants to help the jews and is the cause of their suffering.
Really not that hard to figure out...
mission accomplished! more troops to fight our war for oil to power our mcmansions.
Oh how unique...an anti-war liberal. Damn you guys are just a cut above....
Sooooooo smart. Just dig for those old details and find them where others fail to see them....details that are just so well hidden and hard to see...beyond the media shower.
I just want to know how ya'll do it?
No doubt...your opinion is a unique one to this forum and I'm sure you'll have a lot of original insight to contribute that's not readily available to those of us who can't read bumperstickers when forming our political views.
I'm bracing to be staggered by your brilliantly original and thought provoking Bush is evil post. I mean ...I couldn't hear that kind of political commentary from an uneducated homless guy begging on a street corner who hasn't read a newpaper in 25 years or anything
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