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    Gates: Iran Could Restart Weapons Program 'At Any Time'
    By Ann Scott Tyson
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, December 8, 2007; 2:00 PM


    MANAMA, Bahrain, Dec. 8 -- Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates argued forcefully at a Persian Gulf security conference Saturday that U.S. intelligence indicates Iran could restart its secret nuclear weapons program "at any time" and remains a major threat to the region.

    ( specificially, why are the neo- s so scarded less of Iran? Iran's Army (about the size of Sweden)? Iran's armanents (compared to US/NATO/Israel?, Iran's nukes (M.A.D. takes care of that) ???

    My guess is the neo- s 10 think the world will fall for the scare-mongering for eternity, and 2) the neo- s make $Bs from propping up the MIC with $500B/year minimum, for eternity)

    Tough and at times sarcastic, Gates described the Iranian government as an ongoing menace to the Gulf region not only for its nuclear aspirations but also for supplying weapons to insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan, backing the armed Islamic movements Hezbollah and Hamas, and developing medium-range ballistic missiles.

    ( any proof? The US is supporting the Sunnis in Iran. )


    "Everywhere you turn, it is the policy of Iran to foment instability and chaos, no matter the strategic value or cost in the blood of innocents," Gates said in a speech to defense leaders from 23 countries attending the Manama Dialogue, a security conference organized by the London-based International Ins ute for Strategic Studies.

    ( Even if the above is true, why/how is bombing the out of Iran a solution? Do the neo- s think that bombing Iran would have no other consequences for USA ? We know, hard facts, how badly the neo- s throght through the invasion of Iraq. They have no credibility or competence. )

    Gates acknowledged that the recent release of a U.S. National Intelligence Estimate on Iran, which determined that the country halted its secret nuclear weapons program in 2003, was awkward and frustrating for the Bush administration. He explained that the CIA director decides on the content and release, without influence from Congress or the executive branch.

    "The estimate clearly has come at an awkward time. It has annoyed a number of our friends, it has confused our allies around the world in terms of what we're trying to accomplish," he said.

    ( So the problem for the neo- s is that their Iran disinformation campaign has been exposed, further destroying the USA world-wide credibility with the truth? )


    International pressure is the only impediment to Iran restarting its nuclear weapons program, Gates said. "Iran is keeping its options open and could re-start its nuclear weapons program at any time -- I would add, if it has not done so already."

    ( so Gates has gone over to the neo- dark side, where lies and bull hypotheticals, and Plan-B-less incompetences rule. Noted )

    Gates urged countries around the world to demand that Iran "come clean" about its past nuclear weapons development and insist that it suspend enrichment, pledge not to develop nuclear weapons in the future and agree to inspections. Until it takes those steps, he suggested, engaging Iran in talks would not be productive.

    ( Well, the neo- s have as a policy NOT to engage Iran, even when Iran tried to engage the USA, so it's absolutely correct to say non-engagement is not productive )

    Iran maintains that its nuclear program is for peaceful energy purposes.

    ( in the 70s, the USA + their MIC + head + rummy convinced the Shah that $$nuclear energy ($$sold by US companies) was the way to go since Iran would be running out of oil. Now when Iran says the same thing, the US says no, Iran nuclear intention CAN ONLY be for WMD )

    At one point, Gates, a former head of the Central Intelligence Agency, spoke mockingly of the Iranian government's agreement with the intelligence report.

    "Astonishingly, the revolutionary government of Iran has this week, for the first time, embraced as valid an assessment of the United States intelligence community," Gates said. "I assume that it also will embrace as valid" U.S. intelligence showing Iran is training militias in Iraq, backing terrorist organizations and carrying out other hostile acts, he said.

    ( oh ! Iran is cherry picking US intelligence to suit itself? The US would never be so self-serving )

    Iranian officials decided Friday not to attend the conference.

    In questions following Gates' speech, attendees voiced both approval and su ion. Some accused the United States of a double standard for failing to object to Israel's possession of nuclear weapons. Asked if he thought Israel's nuclear arsenal posed a threat to the region, Gates initially gave a four-word answer: "No, I do not."

    To better counter Iran and other threats, Gates urged Gulf nations to shift their focus from bilateral military ties with the United States toward multilateral cooperation. Specifically, he called for a collective effort to develop regional air and missile defense systems, as well as a shared monitoring of waters in the region for terrorism, piracy, drug trafficking and smuggling.

    ( Iran simply can't win any hostilities they would start. They know that. Does Gates and his kick-ass military agree? )

    On Iraq, Gates said that President Bush's troop increase over the past year has helped quell violence and demonstrated an enduring U.S. commitment to stabilizing the country.

    ( along with dubya's committment to first de-stabilizing Iraq, with the neo- intention of occupying Iraq for decades. )

    But he said the decline in U.S. troop levels starting this month represents "risks and opportunities for the whole region."

    ( well, the INCREASE in US troop levels in March 30 2003 certainly increased the "risks and opportunities for the whole region" )

    Arab nations should back the Iraqi government, Gates said, because if Iraq fails as a state, the repercussions would be felt first and most profoundly in the Middle East.

    ( too bad the neo- s weren't worried about "Iraq fails as a state" BEFORE they destroyed Iraq and M/E stability. Gates is a ing fool, same as rummy )

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...800894_pf.html
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    But here's a little context. The intel community felt it was politicized and meddled with prior invading Iraq, and then the WH smeared the intel community by blaming it for "bad intel".

    Like a lot of other people, the intel community let itself get suckered into giving the WH the benefit of the doubt in 2002. Everybody got kicked in the balls by the duplicitous WH.

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    US reversal on Iran intel reflects breaking of the ranks: analysts

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    Published: Friday December 7, 2007

    The US reversal on Iran's nuclear weapons program has exposed a breaking of ranks within a waning administration, with US intelligence and military professionals asserting themselves on issues of war and peace, analysts said.

    Senior US intelligence officials said this week they were responding to new information, subjected to more rigorous analysis than in the past, in declaring with "high confidence" that Iran halted a covert nuclear weapons program in 2003.

    But their willingness to set aside all previous assumptions flowed from a determination not to repeat the errors made in 2002, when bogus intelligence on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction set the United States on a course to war, they said.

    And unlike 2002, when US intelligence officials complained of administration pressure to "cherry-pick" intelligence that supported going to war, the intelligence community this time has asserted its independence.

    "This is ours," a senior intelligence official said this week, telling reporters that policymakers had no input in the conclusions of the National Intelligence Estimate, as the assessment is called.

    The US military also increasingly has taken its own tack since the ouster of Donald Rumsfeld as defense secretary, quietly but firmly distancing itself from White House saber rattling on Iran.

    The tough talk reached a peak with President George W. Bush's warning on October 17 of the threat of "World War III" if Iran acquires the knowledge to make nuclear weapons, language reminiscent of US rhetoric leading up to the Iraq invasion.

    Vice President Cheney followed up days later, telling a Washington think tank: "We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon."

    But Admiral William Fallon, the head of the US Central Command, complained in a newspaper interview that incessant press speculation about military action was harming efforts to bring Iran onto a more positive path.

    ( Fallon is ing traitor, and lover of terrorists. Expect him to be replaced by a boot-licker soon )

    "It's a fundamental reversal of civil-military relations, and intelligence and political relationships, that were obvious in 2002," said Ray Takeyh, an expert on the Middle East at the Council on Foreign Relations.

    He said the new intelligence assessment was "part of a larger narrative, namely how the formal ins utions of government are now determined to resist the White House, which wasn't the case in 2002."

    "In many ways this narrative suggests the irrelevance of the Bush White House, the irrelevance of the president himself," he said.

    John Bolton, the former UN ambassador and a hawk on Iran, charged that intelligence agencies have used the assessment to "torpedo" the administration's policy on Iran.

    "Too much of the intelligence community is engaging in policy formulation rather than 'intelligence' analysis, and too many in Congress and the media are happy about it," he said in an opinion piece in the Washington Post.

    ( too much of the 2002 WH policy formulation people were engaging in intelligence cherry picking to support their oil-grab war )

    Bruce Riedel, who served as a CIA officer for 30 years, said the new intelligence estimate has turned the military option into "a dead letter," and the administration has only itself to blame.

    "By politicizing the intelligence process so badly in 2002 and 2003, and by their constant interference they created a backlash -- not so much in the intelligence community per se, but in the Congress," he said.

    "And the Congress I think can be credited with having forced the administration to go public with these kinds of things, and to put them out there," he said.

    Bush said the new findings were driven by a "great discovery" which prompted a re-evaluation of the evidence.

    But George Perkovich, an expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, had reached the same conclusion as the estimate two years earlier after talks in Tehran with Iranian leaders.

    In a remarkably prescient paper in 2005, he urged US intelligence to look for evidence that Iran had shut down its program in 2003, arguing that without a weapons program Iran could play by the rules while still developing a nuclear "breakout" option.

    "If you think about it, it is a very, very effective strategy and it would cause us the greatest possible difficulty," Perkovich said. "It would make it much tougher for the US to deal with the Iranian nuclear issue."

    US intelligence failed to see it sooner, he said, because it was intent on finding evidence to support the assumption that Iran had a nuclear weapons program.

    "But if you don't take that assumption and you look for an alternative explanation, it's relatively easy to find."

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    specificially, why are the neo- s so scarded less of Iran?
    The only way to prop up the declining dollar is to conquer gold - just like in the olden days, nothings changed....except the gold these days is dark and smelly....

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    I hate to say it but the neocon angle on this is actually more defendable and logical than previous neocon positions.

    The only problem is that everyone is skeptical of the administration's warhawking now, and multilateral diplomacy is still a better option.

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    I am incapable of independent thought so I copied and pasted my 10,000th worthless article without applying any comprehension or logic to what is being quoted. Allah akhbar.

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    Hey Aggie found your , yet?

    I see you're following rove's example of making black-is-white up out of thin air.

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    I have, in fact I was slapping your mom across the face with it last night.

    Gates is about as straight a shooter as they come, yet you're rolling out your same tired, lame, hateful bull .

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    Wasn't my face, Aggie, it must have been Whott's.

    Gates works for dubya and head, and is playing the "hateful" scare-the- -out-of-everybody, create a straw-man threat of Iraq/Iran that dubya and head have been cynically playing to ram through their non-terror bull programs for the super-rich and corps.

    In spite of suckers like yourself thinking Gates is his own man, the rest of us know who hired him and who he works for. No matter what he may have been before, he's now just a dubya/ head/neo- boot-licker, aka, a "good German".

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    That is such a simpleton view, but considering you have the intelligence level of a brick, not surprising.

    Tell me something boutons:

    Do you think Iran is a good country? Do you think that country is led by nice people who wouldn't wipe us off the face of the earth given half the chance? Howabout their thoughts on Israel. Ahmedinijad has stated he wants to wipe Israel off the map. That wasn't any Gates fear mongering, that was a stated goal in a speech Ahm. gave.

    What do you think of Iran? Don't give me some bull cut and paste, or hate and profanity directed at the administration or me or anyone else on this board.

    What do you think about Iran? I want to hear what you think.

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    How many 9/11 terrorists were from Iran?

    8?

    5?

    1?
    Weren't they all from Iraq....?

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    Bush is using the NIE in such a way that it seems like it may not represent this "total backfire" some are making it out to be.
    What it does look like is that the administration has changed their "Strategy" (lol)

    They're trying to admit they were wrong about some things, without admitting they were wrong(the change), and at the same time proving they are right, about something which we are unsure (the same goal), in order to save face and get others to comply with their agenda.

    Judging from how bullheaded they are, I think the administration is going to use this for one last ditch effort to fist Iran and isolate it further.

    Russia is laughing it up right now. They've positioned themselves for a win-win situation with this Iran business.

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    Bush is using the NIE in such a way that it seems like it may not represent this "total backfire" some are making it out to be.
    What it does look like is that the administration has changed their "Strategy" (lol)
    Interesting...certainly wouldn't be the first time the administration has pre-emptively released something that could possibly blow-back later on.....now that they've released it and people have digested it, they can let the wing-nut media cast doubts on its credibility or the credibility of its authors and even its findings...there's always the 30% of the wing-nut public that will buy it, and 35% is a consensus to these nuts....

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    The Modern World strikes again...


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    That is such a simpleton view, but considering you have the intelligence level of a brick, not surprising.

    Tell me something boutons:

    Do you think Iran is a good country? Do you think that country is led by nice people who wouldn't wipe us off the face of the earth given half the chance? Howabout their thoughts on Israel. Ahmedinijad has stated he wants to wipe Israel off the map. That wasn't any Gates fear mongering, that was a stated goal in a speech Ahm. gave.

    What do you think of Iran? Don't give me some bull cut and paste, or hate and profanity directed at the administration or me or anyone else on this board.

    What do you think about Iran? I want to hear what you think.
    Well Aggie, I see you got all the normal "intelligent"
    responses from the same crowd.

    He said all those things and much more. He has told
    all of us in no uncertain terms what his intentions are.
    And it seems a lot, like those who responded to your
    post, choose to ignore it and bash Bush and his
    administration. , Ahmadinejad has his backers, in spades.

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    Or course Iran can start up it's nuclear weapons program at any time. That is a no brainer.

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    "What do you think about Iran?"

    Like Iraq was, Iran, even with nukes, is no threat to US, because of M.A.D.

    "balance of power" between baddest-ass-in-the-history-of-universe USA and wimpy, Sweden-sized Iran? G M A F B

    The USA has no objection to India, Israel, Pakistan having nukes (none of them have any oil). But nukes in oil-rich Iraq or Iran? WMD/nukes are for neo- pretexts grabbing the oil, and enriching the MIC throught bogus wars.

    btw, Dr. head Strangelove better attack Iran soon, because China and very probably Russia will be grabbing Iranian oil. Attacking Iran will allow the USA to cancel Iranian contracts will Russia and China, as the USA did after invading Iraq.

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    Iran, China finalise two billion dollar oil contract

    by Aresu EqbaliSun Dec 9, 4:58 PM ET

    Iran and China's Sinopec on Sunday signed a two billion dollar contract to develop a major Iranian oil field, a crucial deal for the Iranian energy industry at a time of mounting international pressure.

    The Iranian oil ministry and Sinopec inked the deal to pump oil from the Yadavaran onshore field in southwestern Iran, which was first agreed back in late 2004, at a ceremony in Tehran, an AFP correspondent reported.

    "The initial estimation of cost of the project is about 2.0 billion dollars and the final cost of the project will be decided after the offering of the tenders," said Iranian Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari.

    The field will be producing 185,000 barrels of oil a day within the next seven years, he added.

    The signing came at a time when the United States has been pressuring European and Asian firms, including oil majors, to cut their business ties with Iran to exert pressure on the Islamic republic in the nuclear crisis.

    "The signing shows that there is no lack of investment in Iran and we are solidifying our economic relations with China more," said Nozari.

    "The second message is that if other countries are willing to invest in the big oil and gas fields of Iran they should not lose the opportunity," he added, in an apparent warning to any dithering Western firms.

    The deal is one of the biggest foreign energy contracts ever signed by Iran, which holds the world's second-largest oil and gas reserves and is seeking development of its oil fields.

    The contract was signed in Tehran by Zhou Baixiu, the head of Sinopec's international arm, and Iranian Deputy Oil Minister for international affairs Hossein Noghrehkar Shirazi.

    The talks to finalise the contract had been long held up by disagreements on the terms of the Yadavaran deal, most notably involving the rate of return proposed by Sinopec.

    Sinopec had originally asked for a 15 percent rate of return from its investment but Nozari said this had been finalised at 14.98 percent.

    However he added that the period of reimbursement for Sinopec had been decreased from eight years in the initial agreement to four in the final contract.

    "The development will be carried out in two phases," added Nozari.

    "The first phase to produce 85,000 barrels per day will be carried out in four years and the second phase to produce another 100,000 bpd will be carried out in another 36 months."

    "So in total, the field will produce 185,000 barrels a day."

    The National Iranian Oil Company's (NIOC) director for exploration Mahmoud Mohades had earlier put the Yadavaran field's reserves at 18.3 billion barrels, estimating recoverable oil at 3.2 billion barrels.

    The 2004 initial agreement also envisaged China's purchase of an annual 10 million tons of Iranian liquefied natural gas (LNG) for 25 years, beginning in 2009.

    But Zhou indicated that this was not in the final contract and would be discussed at a later date.

    "China is willing to buy LNG from Iran and we hope to talk about the LNG project later."

    Sinopec is the sole main partner and investor in the field, although it will be employing sub-contractors, more than half of whom must be Iranian.

    ( willl KBR, Halliburton be sub-contractors? nuke or no nukes, I'm they'd love to be in there. )

    Iran and China have significant economic ties and Beijing is the second largest importer of Iranian goods after Japan.

    ( oops, wasn't Japan an ally of USA at one time? )

    China is a veto-wielding permanent member of the UN Security Council and has until now been reluctant to support fully a US-led drive to impose a third set of UN sanctions against Tehran over its nuclear programme.

    Copyright © 2007 Agence France Presse.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071209...h92QCKRwOmOrgF

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    I'm sure with his astonishing geo-petro-political brilliance, dubya will make a game-changing chess move in response. Like bomb the out of somebody
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    So boutons, you are all for some nut case to control the flow of
    oil to all the world? Is that correct. Since you sorry butt
    depends on that "nasty oil" for your very existence.

    Well pardon me if I like the free flow of oil without some nut
    case controlling the the flow.

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    get real ray. the US and China have already made it clear that nothing will stand in their way of acquiring the oil they need. so, relax. you'll get the destruction you're looking for soon enough.

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    get real ray. the US and China have already made it clear that nothing will stand in their way of acquiring the oil they need. so, relax. you'll get the destruction you're looking for soon enough.
    I seek no destruction, don't assume something that isn't
    true.

    I just want to protect the well being of our country,
    including yours, and oil is what makes our world go, like
    it or not. And it will be for the foreseeable future and
    more than likely your and your children's lifetime.

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    So boutons, you are all for some nut case to control the flow of
    oil to all the world? Is that correct. Since you sorry butt
    depends on that "nasty oil" for your very existence.

    Well pardon me if I like the free flow of oil without some nut
    case controlling the the flow.
    Well, it only took you four years to arrive at that sensible conclusion. Iraq makes a lot more sense now, doesn't it?

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    I don't say why boutons has his panties in a bunch about Gates' comments regarding Iran. Of course Iran is a threat to the region. Of course they are fomenting instability. Of course they could restart their nuclear program at any time. Only an idiot or an enemy of the United States would deny that.

    But what does Gates recommend as a response? A pre-emptive nuclear strike on Iran? No. Immediate invasion of Iran? No. Invasion of Iran in April 2008? No. Increased U.S, troop levels in the Middle East? No. Strengthening of bilateral military agreements between the U.S. and other Middle East countries? No.

    Strengthening of multilateral agreements among the Gulf nations themselves? YES.

    What exactly is the problem here?

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    if iran has all that oil why in God's name do they want an "alternate" energy source of nuclear power. it seems like a waste of money when you already have a NATURAL resource. "we don't plan on making nuclear weapons" my mexican ass.

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    "Of course Iran is a threat to the region."

    Iran knows that any military aggression, even non-nuclear, by Iran beyond its borders, and a lot less aggressive than next-door example of Saddam-invading-Kuwait, will provoke at least equal but probably much greater military retaliation to undo the aggression and probably to punish Iran severely, taking out all the known nuclear sites and all the govt/military structures.

    Iran's government is not a crazy one-man-show like Saddam was and it knows that it sits on a powder keg of discontent by heavily bought-off Iranian youth and middle class, who would probably revolt and "regime change" the mullahs in the aftermath of a retaliation. As with Communism everywhere, the mullahs used theocracy as a pretext to grab power and then install a police state to maintain power.

    rummy/ head already convinced the Shah to go nuclear 30 years ago, with the reason being Iran's oil would run out.

    btw, certain countries like MX are already considering or restricting oil exports (eg, to USA) in order to retain the oil for their domestic consumption of their expanding economies. Has already happened in smaller exporters like Indonesia.

    Espuelas, Iran is looking past their current supply of oil for alternatives, just like every country in the world is doing.

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    "Of course Iran is a threat to the region."

    Iran knows that any military aggression, even non-nuclear, by Iran beyond its borders, and a lot less aggressive than next-door example of Saddam-invading-Kuwait, will provoke at least equal but probably much greater military retaliation to undo the aggression and probably to punish Iran severely, taking out all the known nuclear sites and all the govt/military structures.
    Direct military aggression is not the only threat a rogue nation presents, especially one as wily as Iran.

    Plain and simple, they want to be the regional power in the Middle East.

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    Direct military aggression is not the only threat a rogue nation presents, especially one as wily as Iran.

    Plain and simple, they want to be the regional power in the Middle East.
    Yep. That is exactly what they want.

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