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could be hd dvd because of all the sales on hd dvd players this xmas season...
I'd like to buy a hidef DVD player of some sort but i can't decide which way to go. I've seen the PS3's for $249 (40GB spiderman 3) but i'm not really interested in the gaming aspect. My PS2 is fine and i never get a chance to play anyway. Wal-mart has a Toshiba HDDVD for $199 with 10 movies but five you have to pick out in the store and they had . I missed out on there black friday $99 HDDVD players.
Which one will win out?
could be hd dvd because of all the sales on hd dvd players this xmas season...
I believe Blu-Ray will win.
Beta vs. VHS again? Not quite. Both have the same signal quality. Beta was higher quality than VHS. The primary reason I see Blu-Ray as winning is it stores more play time. It also has faster data rates.
VHS always had more record time than Bata. I think that was the key. Same with Blu-Ray.
A Sony official went on record as saying it's a stalemate. The HD-DVD players are SO much cheaper that it may be that that tips the balance.
Incidentally, it wasn't purely the tape duration that drove Beta into the trash. I was watching a show called 70s tech, and they said that the porn industry settled on VHS, and video stores didn't want to stock different formats in the front and back rooms, so they went along.
But does it/will it matter in terms of disc availabilty? Wal mart had crap for HDDVD but alot of BluRay.
all i know is we got a beta before my family moved to germany in 82, and we came back in 84 and everything was in VHS! we had to get a VCR, but i think my mom still has the last unicorn on beta, as well as alien. Beta is still an active format in the movie industry though, some of the stuff they show at the alamo drafthouses in Austin is still on Beta.
A Sony official went on record as saying it's a stalemate. The HD-DVD players are SO much cheaper that it may be that that tips the balance.
Incidentally, it wasn't purely the tape duration that drove Beta into the trash. I was watching a show called 70s tech, and they said that the porn industry settled on VHS, and video stores didn't want to stock different formats in the front and back rooms, so they went along.
Yeah, I've heard that story too.
It's a different beta, although it is partially derived from the betamax consumer format.
As for the original question: Buy a dual HD DVD / Bluray player, I believe both Samsung and LG are offering such models.
HD DVD all the way
One, I hate Sony.
On a more objective level, price point always wins out, and HD DVD matches the quality of BR for a much lower cost.
Players are cheaper, disks are about the same price, and the studios make more money on every HD DVD they sell than BR.
Blu-ray eventually is going to run into a brick wall because the discs are just too difficult to make.
This battle is probably moot in 10 years. By then, if you want a movie, you won't purchase optical media. You'll have a DVR-like device with a 100-TB hard drive that downloads movies from the Internet.
Probably, and by the time it matters i won't worry about buying another player or whatever.
It just made me mad that they had like ten crappy movies for me to pick five out of.
I believe the cost difference is about $.04 per disk, but when millions are made...
What? Where did that come from? They are the same basic technology, but using different spacing in the layers. The layers are close to the laser, and the laser aperture for the beam is different allowing the Blu-Ray to read smaller pits, even though the laser wavelengths are the same between the two formats. 100GB (four layer) Blu-Ray can already be found, but not for consumer use yet, and 200GB six layer formats are in development. It takes a costly three layer HDDVD to compare to a dual layer Blu-Ray in storage.
Another advantage is that even though a Blu-Ray disk is about 4 cents more to make than HDDVD, that is for the same number of layers. Nearly all HDDVD movies are on dual layer disks, but currently 52% of the movies for Blu-Ray are on single layer disks making the same movie cheaper in Blu-Ray to make. That storage difference will have an impact on manufacturing costs, favoring Blu-Ray.
I've read about that some where too. And I also heard that the blu ray disk is hard to maintain because it scratches very easily?
Blu-ray has an extremely thin protective layer that is very difficult to mold properly. The reject rate is very high. There is a limited supply of plastic available that is even capable of making Blu-ray. Significant investment into a mature and declining market like optical media is unlikely.
Just to give a heads-up, I must stay kind of vague on the subject because it is directly related to my job, and if I go into too much detail I start revealing propietary information.
OTOH, understand that I pretty much know what the I'm talking about.
Drm.
I know which one I'm rooting for.
I've found this is the case with almost all the information you post. Not sucking up, just saying I'll trust your take on the subject
I vote HD-DVD just because I hate proprietary systems. It does NOT favor the consumer. At. All. If Blu-Ray wins, Sony can completely control the digital movie mediascape for the next 5 to 10 years. I don't like that idea, as they have already displayed that they are extremely power hungry and mostly incompetent.
Gimme a break! it's not like HDDVD is an open source format. Whoever wins will make a fortune of which you'll see nothing. My view is since I'll have to live with it, can I please at least get the better format?! I don't know about you but I still haven't forgotten the ty picture of VHS and how impossible it was to get rid of it.
More to the point:
Blu-ray Disc was started by Hitachi, LG, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, and Thomson in February 19, 2002
HD DVD is defined by the DVD forum which was founded by: Hitachi, Ltd., Matsu a Electric Industrial Co. Ltd., Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, Pioneer Electronic Corporation, Royal Philips Electronics N.V., Sony Corporation, Thomson, Time Warner Inc., Toshiba Corporation,Victor Company of Japan, Ltd. (JVC)
Yeah, loads of charitable names and friendly companies who never enforced their licences before! What a wondeful choice!!!
I call BS.
EDIT: I quoted the wrong message. Sorry ES I have no way of knowing what you're doing for a living so it would be impossible for me to call BS on that post. I wanted to do it on another post of yours, but now I don't feel like anymore
Sorry, no harm intended.
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TiVo already does this with regular definition movie and television content in partnership with Amazon. Now that they have two HD models, I think HD downloads to TiVo are only a matter of time.
What I want to know is why the Robocop on BluRay is $35 at Best Buy when most of the other flicks are $24 and $29.
Yeah, I bought it, but WTF?
I read that same article...it was saying that porn might be what tips the scales on the HD vs Blu-ray battle the way it did for VHS vs Beta. It's rather interesting...I personally think the cheaper priced players are what's gonna do Blu-Ray in.A Sony official went on record as saying it's a stalemate. The HD-DVD players are SO much cheaper that it may be that that tips the balance.
Incidentally, it wasn't purely the tape duration that drove Beta into the trash. I was watching a show called 70s tech, and they said that the porn industry settled on VHS, and video stores didn't want to stock different formats in the front and back rooms, so they went along.
Your average Joe Pukepail going to Walmart doesn't know or give a crap about faster data rates.
Gimme a break! it's not like HDDVD is an open source format. Whoever wins will make a fortune of which you'll see nothing. My view is since I'll have to live with it, can I please at least get the better format?! I don't know about you but I still haven't forgotten the ty picture of VHS and how impossible it was to get rid of it.
More to the point:
Blu-ray Disc was started by Hitachi, LG, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, and Thomson in February 19, 2002
HD DVD is defined by the DVD forum which was founded by: Hitachi, Ltd., Matsu a Electric Industrial Co. Ltd., Mitsubishi Electric Corporation, Pioneer Electronic Corporation, Royal Philips Electronics N.V., Sony Corporation, Thomson, Time Warner Inc., Toshiba Corporation,Victor Company of Japan, Ltd. (JVC)
Yeah, loads of charitable names and friendly companies who never enforced their licences before! What a wondeful choice!!!
Uh. Note the price of Blu-Ray players. Note who owns all the rights to Blu-Ray. Note the massive entertainment corporation that has a massive recent history of lying and making incredibly false claims. I'm staying the away from Sony.
I've seen HD-DVD and Blu-ray. There isn't a noticeable difference, if any difference exists at all. While you talk about larger capacities, I prefer a medium that doesn't force me to s out twice as much to buy the player.
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