because jason kidd will be a non factor. and nash will be not as good(I sincerely hope). tony is killin now. he will be the reason we win tonight.
Have to disagree with ya man. As long as Tim Duncan is with the Spurs, (which everyone hopes is forever) tony parker will be top 5.
The thing with today is... people are more interested in numbers when it comes to ranks.
Marbury, Iverson, or one of those ball mongers will get it for the points...not because the team is losing.
Right now Parker is already top 5. In a few years he will be the best PG in the NBA.
Tony has to be ruthless, relentless with probing and penetrating. If PHX stops his and Manu's penetrations, Spurs will be in trouble. And Beno will have to pick up his penetration game a notch, too.
Likewise, as PopShow said, Spurs have to stop Nash from returning the favor.
Spurs have not done very well in stopping penetrations of Steve Francis or Ricky Davis. I think the Spurs have been giving up too many points in the paint. Like those two guards, Nash has a little pullup jumper and short-range fadeway.
yea but they wont be winners. tony will be a winner. he will average close to 20 points a game, at least 7 assists. you'll see. he will also be one of those players you go into a game with a defensive plan for them.
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"you go into a game with a defensive plan for them"
The Lakers last season ALREADY had an effective plan for Tony, and Spurs/coaching choked. I doubt d'Antoni is planning to let Tony run wild any more than Pop plans to let Nash run wild.
yea but they wont be able to stop parker
he will, at least i wish and pray he will
tinsley and wade are his only competion
everyone else is old
Jamall Tinsley aint even in the same league.tinsley
Chauncey Billups and Dwayne Wade are the only ones Id say that are better.
Hmmm...where have we heard this before?
I'll wait until Tony Parker actually makes a few all star games before annointing (spelling?) him as a Top 5 point guard.
But as of right now, Tony Parker is on fire. He's carrying the Spurs at the moment. Well done.
adidas who right not will be in the top 5 point guard in 2 years
marbarry, nash,ai,gp, kidd,steve will be done
right now the coach for the suns(assuming he is coach of all star team)might pick tp after what he did to his suns and nash
told y'all. i know i made a thread but i find it important to boast. im so happy!!!!!!!!!! i think i might have soiled my pants
this game really put the Suns in their place. They may have the best record, but they ain't the best team. The Spurs didn't just win, they TROUNCED the Suns. A humiliating defeat for the Suns.
Who cares if Parker is not an All-Star. That means absolutely nothing. Players get voted in, so it doesn't mean that the best players are in it. Because the Spurs are not popular, no many people vote for Parker. Believe me Parker is up there at the top.
I hate to agree with a laker fan but outside of SA everyone has that same opinion. Parker IMO is being castrated by Popovich's game plan, manu too. Both those guys could be starting in the ASG under other teams. I don't see Parker as being able to take that leap to Wade-like status under current conditions.
How long is that timeline for him going to keep floating?
the reason is because the spurs have a lot of weapons. so on any given night either duncan, tony, manu, or devin will score big. plus remember we are the "boring" spurs so no one watches our games and they miss what real basketball looks like.
real basketball looks like
Silly me, i thought it included being able to hit jump shots, free throws, and lots of passing along with playing defense.
Something the Spurs do and the T Wolves dont.
Your point?
Anyways.
Other than D Wade, and Chauncey Billups, who is better??
Steve Nash?? Pfft
WHO ELSE PLEASE!!!!
Chris Whitney?
more than likely.
keep in mind we are talking about 2 years
wade is the only one I can think of in 2 years that should be better then tp
billups,steve,gp,kidd,nash, will be to old
bibby and jackson might be
tp will be top 3 without question in 2 years
Tony parker will never average 20 ppg...unless they are no longer a defensive team. How unlikely is that? VERY..
Did you see the matchups? Tim is barely averaging the 20 with the points the spurs have to score because of the D.
I'm sorry, but due to the fact that there's "haters" out there, and popularity is never in San Antonio, Tony Parker will only be the best in the eye of the wise.
Tony Parker and Manu will be allstars when the world wakes up and sees the stars after they win a championship AGAIN.
Hopefully that's all it takes.
I don't see Parker doing this well for the whole year, so I am enjoying it while it lasts. He has had some GREAT games in a row, but he will have to average 20ppg with decent assists and good d to deserve top 5 right now IMO.
I don't know how to compare how good Parker is to other pg's without using some objective stats; scoring, assists, rebounds, team winning. Defense is very hard to quantify and verify. Of course we can say if parker was on a bad team he would be the man and would get comparable stats to some on this list, but I think we all know that AI carries his team, and it is VERY DOUBTFUL that Parker could do the same. Replace any of these : Francis, Marbury, Nash, Lebron, Francis, with Parker, and the team IMO just does not do as well.
Parker is very good, and sometimes great (like tonight against phoenix), but not consistent enough to be the main star on a team yet.
Today's top 5 points (objectively, in terms of overall productivity and wins)
1. Nash
2. Marbury
3. Lebron (point forward, 6th in assists!) Wade if you want to push it.
4.AI with over 7 apg and 28 ppg!
5. Francis with 22 ppg, 6.8 apg, 6 rpg his team is winning.
Bibby is just as effective as Parker today, and has the same numbers. Tinsley has always been a better assists man, but shoots at a poorer percentage. Scores about the same as parker.
In 5 years I think...
Wade, Arenas, parker, Arroyo, Hughes? will be top 5.
Don't forget Bibby and Billups, who will still be effective in 5 years, though probably safe to say Parker will have passed them.
Tinsley is averaging what Parker is in pts and assists, though not as good a shooting percentage.
Remember that Marbury will be 31 in 5 years, he will be in his prime still. Bibby will be 30, Francis 31, Billups 32.
Andre Miller with 15 ppg, shoots .47%, 6 apg, 10th in steals. Under rated.
WTF?
Seriously, we are obviously talking bad about people who are judging numbers. Did you see my recept post? Who cares about numbers....Tony Parker is a better player than most people on that list. Today he proved it after shutting down the best point guard in the league. Unlike your list.... TP's team actually wins...
Seriously, shut ur yapp.
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