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    Optomistic but Realistic MrChug's Avatar
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    Okay, sure it took 48 minutes to do it but I'm still proud . Also Morris Almond had a NBDL record 51 points, but dude took 35 shots to do it...



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    Flash 118, Toros 116
    12/21/2007 McKay Events Center, Orem, UT Time of Game: 2:45.46
    Officials: #59 Scott Twardoski , #32 Tre Maddox , #53 John Guerrero Attendance: 3021
    VISITOR: Austin Toros
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    PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS
    Darius Washington 34:26 5-21 2-4 7-10 2 4 6 3 6 0 6 0 19
    Cheyne Gadson 36:55 10-13 1-1 0-0 0 3 3 2 4 2 2 1 21
    Kevin Pittsnogle 39:21 5-11 5-8 3-3 0 6 6 0 6 1 3 0 18
    Marcus Williams 31:42 5-8 1-1 0-0 1 5 6 2 5 2 5 2 11
    Ian Mahinmi 48:28 11-15 0-0 10-16 9 8 17 2 5 5 5 3 32
    Justin Bowen 25:48 4-8 0-0 3-3 2 1 3 0 2 1 2 0 11
    Kenton Paulino 19:47 1-3 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 2 0 1 1 1 2
    DerMarr Johnson 14:53 1-5 0-2 0-0 0 1 1 0 4 0 2 0 2
    Carldell Johnson 11:03 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 1 1 0 2 0 0 0 0
    Anthony Fuqua 02:36 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Eric Dawson 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    Keith Langford 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
    TOTAL 265 42-84 9-17 23-32 14 31 45 11 34 12 26 7 116
    50.0% 52.9% 71.9% Team Rebs: 9 Total TO: 26


    HOME: Utah Flash
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    PLAYER POS MIN FGM-A 3GM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST PF ST TO BS PTS
    Kevin Kruger 43:52 4-12 1-2 1-2 1 1 2 15 2 0 2 0 10
    Brian Hamilton 36:53 7-13 0-0 1-1 4 8 12 3 3 3 3 2 15
    Brian Jackson 30:12 2-6 0-0 2-2 5 4 9 2 6 1 4 1 6
    Morris Almond 46:57 18-35 3-7 12-16 1 2 3 3 2 3 4 1 51
    James Lang 13:16 2-3 0-0 0-0 0 2 2 0 6 1 1 1 4
    Lamar Rice 23:12 3-6 0-0 2-3 1 2 3 0 3 0 0 1 8
    Aristide Sawadogo 18:50 4-4 0-0 1-1 2 3 5 0 4 0 1 1 9
    John Millsap 18:06 2-4 0-0 2-2 0 3 3 1 2 1 4 0 6
    Michael Cuffee 12:30 0-5 0-2 2-2 2 0 2 0 2 0 1 0 2
    Andre Ingram 12:28 2-3 0-0 1-1 1 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 5
    Aleksandar Ugrinoski 08:45 1-3 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 2
    TOTAL 265 45-94 4-12 24-30 17 25 42 25 30 11 21 7 118
    47.9% 33.3% 80.0% Team Rebs: 10 Total TO: 21


    SCORE BY PERIOD 1 2 3 4 OT FINAL
    Toros 12 35 29 30 10 116
    Flash 30 16 30 30 12 118

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    Morris Almond 46:57 18-35 3-7 12-16 1 2 3 3 2 3 4 1 51

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    Ian's line is awesome too I was just shocked to see 51.

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    The most shocking line of Mahinmi's is he was able to stay on the court for 48 minutes.

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    The most shocking line of Mahinmi's is he was able to stay on the court for 48 minutes.
    Just HAD to go there didn't u Shoog...

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    That's a nice line by Mahinmi. 17 rebounds, five steals, three blocks and didn't foul out. Very nice.

    Holy crap Darius Washington had a horrible line. 5-for-21 with three assists and six turnovers. Washington has been sucking badly lately. I wonder what's up. Hopefully his preseason and beginning to the regular season wasn't a fluke.

    I can safely assume Marcus Williams was defending Morris Almond by looking at the matchups and minutes played. Getting lit up for a D-League record doesn't look great on a resume.

    Good to see Pittsnogle actually show something for once.

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    It's nice to see Mahinmi having these kind of games. I guess that he isn't a crappy prospect like most people have said here only by looking at his euro stats.
    If Mahinmi continue to play well (finger crossed), I hope that the lack of athletic players above 6'9" in D-League won't hurt his development.
    Against the Utah Flash, Fesenko could have been a nice matchup for Mahinmi but he was called back by Jazz one week ago.
    Last edited by Bruno; 12-22-2007 at 09:17 AM.

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    Holy crap Darius Washington had a horrible line. 5-for-21 with three assists and six turnovers. Washington has been sucking badly lately. I wonder what's up. Hopefully his preseason and beginning to the regular season wasn't a fluke.

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    Pop's fatal flaw, the same as Larry Brown, is that he doesn't understand how to coach young, impressionable players. He's so committed to vets, that he's never got his mind around the temperment of rookies and sop res. So, Darius Washington is playing well and then, voila, Pop gets all fickle and high with his expectations, suddenly he's in a slump. I'd accept a few losses if it meant the kid was able to play through his mistakes--or, better, just leave him and Mahinmi in D-league for the season and try to work them in next year. Let them build confidence and work out salient short comings. The only exception to this has been Tony Parker, who, for whatever reason, didn't suc b to Darko treatment.

    I'm glad he's back with the Toros. Much better for all involved.

    Pop is a great coach, don't get me wrong. But he does seem to fall short in this regard.

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    He coached Parker well enough

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    ^^^^That is SO not true. Pop is nothing like Larry Brown, who flat WON'T play younger players. DW would have zero minutes played this year under LB. Pop will sit ANYONE who doesn't "get" the system. See: Bonner, Matt; Elson, Francisco.

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    That's a nice line by Mahinmi. 17 rebounds, five steals, three blocks and didn't foul out. Very nice.
    Choked at the free throw line at the end, but otherwise a good game.

    Holy crap Darius Washington had a horrible line. 5-for-21 with three assists and six turnovers. Washington has been sucking badly lately. I wonder what's up. Hopefully his preseason and beginning to the regular season wasn't a fluke.
    He got in foul trouble with early charges. Seemed to screw up his whole night.

    I can safely assume Marcus Williams was defending Morris Almond by looking at the matchups and minutes played. Getting lit up for a D-League record doesn't look great on a resume.
    He was actually matched up with Gadson for much of the game, though everyone got a chance to be destroyed by Almond. He was in the zone. There was a lot of switching assignments to try to cover him, just like the Flash tried throwing a bunch of different looks at Ian.

    Good to see Pittsnogle actually show something for once.
    Utah runs one of the more conventional lineups in the D-League, so he could take advantage of big men who don't like to leave the paint. His rebounding number was encouraging.

    The big disappointment was DerMarr, although the one jumper he hit all night was clutch.

    The Toros seemed to be dead in the water at the beginning of the game, only scoring 12 points, giving up 30 and getting three players in foul trouble. I wasn't able to listen for the run in the second but it was a really tight game the entire second half and OT.

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    I don't think Parker 'got the system' at first either, but Pop did allow him to play through it. He yelled at him throughout but he didn't yank him either.

    Pop has some players that he will play even if they aren't playing well. I think Elson rarely gets frozen out completely for a game. Pop will play him in the first half to again prove what is obvious and then bench him in the second half.

    Pop likes nice guys to be on the team. But I think he despises players who aren't tough and clutch. This dilemma creates a fickle personality at times.

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    ChumpDumper how was Mahinmi getting his points? His little across the lane hook and putbacks or more varied? How did he turn it around on rebounding? Is he reading the ball and positioning better than the beginnig of the year or just the compe ion?

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    Morris Almond had 51 points? yowza

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    ChumpDumper how was Mahinmi getting his points? His little across the lane hook and putbacks or more varied? How did he turn it around on rebounding? Is he reading the ball and positioning better than the beginnig of the year or just the compe ion?
    There wasn't a video of this game unfortunately, so I can't comment on exactly how he got the rebounds. I do know that he is far more athletic than the Flash centers and can guess that there were likely some positioning problems for them caused by Pittsnogle's camping at the arc. Sounds like most of his scoring was just as you described, but that baby hook is an NBA level go-to move. I want to see a few more face-up attempts per game, though they can be painful to watch at this point.

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    The baby hook is nice and plays to his strength of quickness but he reeeealy needs to work on a counter move at a minimum at this stage.

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    Parker and Vaughn are better than Washington. I see no reason to criticize Pop for not giving playtime to Washington. Washington is in his learning year and Spurs have a great tool with Austin to work with him. Just be patient.
    And don't forget that Washington is far from being a stud. It's not sure that he will become a good backup NBA PG.

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    Short-term expectations on this board are way too high for Darius. He definitely not garbage, but he has a lot of work to do to be able to run the point consistently in the NBA.

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    Elson couldn't put up those numers in Little Girls Youth Center League...

    Sign this mofo up!

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    Fans here pick out favorites among the bench players without any realistic evaluations of their skill sets.

    Darius is a considered a feel-good story, a hard worker on the court, will score in the D league and ergo is an NBA grade PG talent.

    Pop may bring him up from time to time if we have PG injuries as a backup. The new rules about players make the rosters much more flexible.

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    So far I'm a little surprised at what Ian is doing in the D league because he wasn't even getting minutes on his Euro team and I took that as a bad sign.

    Either he's improving by leaps and bounds with some court time on the Toros (our fervent wish) or the Euro teams are tougher/better than I thought.

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    Euro teams have different agendas than D-League teams to be sure. Getting PT for the assigned players is THE priority for the Toros, and Darius and Ian are probably overused if one looks at it from pure team performance standpoint.

    OTOH, this is pretty much the perfect level of basketball for Ian to be able to get big minutes and try to add to his game. The only negative is the dearth of quality opposing big men throughout the league and the SW division in particular.

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    ^^^^That is SO not true. Pop is nothing like Larry Brown, who flat WON'T play younger players. DW would have zero minutes played this year under LB. Pop will sit ANYONE who doesn't "get" the system. See: Bonner, Matt; Elson, Francisco.
    He said young AND impressionable players; Parker was young, but he wasn't impressed nor intimidated by anyone, and he was a Spurs fan when he was a kid; during his first games a Spur, he didn't hesitate to yell at D-Rob and Duncan when they were out of position.

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    Ian's line is amazing.

    Almond shot over 50% to get 51, which is amazing.

    I think Darius got in early foul trouble is because he may have got used to the more physical play of the NBA and that altered it enough to be a problem in the D-League and from what I've heard the refs are horrible in the NBDL, that maybe be a possiblity of his 6 fouls.

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