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and the evil conservative republican president will sign it.
you're a bit outdated in your thinking if you believe the democratic party is the only party attempting to grow the scale and scope of the federal government.
Yep, that's right. First, playing politics as usual and wanting to create socialism, the democrats tried to pass SCHIP at a 300% poverty rate for application. What this would do is take children out of private health plans and get people to let the government take care of them with "Other Peoples Money." Typical Socialistic/Marxist democrats. Anti American, not believing in the hard work producing what we have today.
Anyway, SCHIP was introduced again, without the change to 300% or the increased age eligibility. Yep, that's right, they wanted to include young adults too. The Lemmings wonder why the republicans are so mean.
Anyway, a summary from S 2499 actions:
Text of bill in PDF:S.2499
le: A bill to amend les XVIII, XIX, and XXI of the Social Security Act to extend provisions under the Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP programs, and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Baucus, Max [MT] (introduced 12/18/2007) Cosponsors (1)
Latest Major Action: 12/27/2007 Presented to President. ALL ACTIONS:
12/18/2007:
Introduced in the Senate, read twice, considered, read the third time, and passed without amendment by Unanimous Consent. (consideration: CR S15834-15843; text as passed Senate: CR S15837-15843)
12/18/2007 5:56pm:
Received in the House.
12/18/2007 6:01pm:
Held at the desk.
12/18/2007:
Message on Senate action sent to the House.
12/19/2007 10:38am:
Mr. Pallone moved to suspend the rules and pass the bill.
12/19/2007 10:38am:
Considered under suspension of the rules. (consideration: CR H16842-16855)
12/19/2007 11:31am:
At the conclusion of debate, the Yeas and Nays were demanded and ordered. Pursuant to the provisions of clause 8, rule XX, the Chair announced that further proceedings on the motion would be postponed.
12/19/2007 4:22pm:
Considered as unfinished business. (consideration: CR H16900)
12/19/2007 4:29pm:
On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 411 - 3 (Roll no. 1184). (text: CR H16842-16848)
12/19/2007 4:29pm:
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
12/19/2007:
Cleared for White House.
12/27/2007:
Presented to President.
Clarification of SCHIP starts on page 48.
and the evil conservative republican president will sign it.
you're a bit outdated in your thinking if you believe the democratic party is the only party attempting to grow the scale and scope of the federal government.
i believe his emphasis was on socialist aspects rather than just the size of the government
i personally don't give a as long as my taxes don't go up
tax the rich for this and i'll laugh like no other
yeah like that'll happen
You know. I really despise at udes like yours. "Tax the rich"...
Now I'm not rich, but I wobble between five and six figures. The rich only make up a small percentage. When more revenue is needed, and taxes are raised... I get hit ING HARD!
your ignorant at ude on taxes.
You should only aspire to pay as much in taxes as I do, rather than wish harm on my income and others.
Try paying more than $20K in taxes and see if you like it when they ask for $5k more.
Naturally, you are upper-middle class. It was simply an IF statement i just didn't say IF. You said yourself you weren't rich. Are you saying you would give a in a world where we tax the rich for like this? Your post didn't tell me anything I dont already know, plus it did not tell me why you would care about me wanting the rich to be taxed for this.
Last edited by LaMarcus Bryant; 12-27-2007 at 11:17 PM. Reason: meant it the other way
you are the "rich". the real rich know how and can afford to pay for the best advice and strategies to mitigate their tax liability. it's those whose incomes come primarily from their salaries who end up footing the bill for like this.
and nobody in dc is looking out for you. not even the supposedly anti tax and spend gop.
which is why i said this sounds like a good idea as long as it doesn't affect my tax situation
all of this crap affects us. of course our friends the chinese will float it. but some day that will come due.
attempt to humor me
if it only affected the rich
would YOU care?
when has it? donations aren't made to pacs or parties because someone really cares. and both parties are in the palm of their hands.
attempt to humor me
if it only affected the rich
would YOU care?
it affects the non-rich so i care. i dont necessarily pour out a little when someone has to pay an estate tax bill.
trust no one with power.
Yeah I understand how people of your age say like "oh when you're young and in college you vote democrat but when you get a job you'll be a republican"
To me its hilarious
because its like you said
both of those worthless parties are in the palm of their hands
You know Kinky Friedman was right about one thing
politicians are like a used condom
if you don't change them out things get messy
man i cant wait to sign up for medicare tomorrow.
after a year or two of that you become apathetic.say like "oh when you're young and in college you vote democrat but when you get a job you'll be a republican"
and then they are replaced by another one. rinse. repeat.To me its hilarious
because its like you said
both of those worthless parties are in the palm of their hands
You know Kinky Friedman was right about one thing
politicians are like a used condom
if you don't change them out things get messy
a good read if you want the details.
Yes I would care. Ever get a job from someone of moderate means that paid anything worth while?
When the rich make less, there are less jobs available for us more common people.
There are not enough "Rich" people to care about taxing any more percentage wise than any of us in the middle class. The bulk of the tax revenues come from the working middle class.
Unlike you. I care about my fellow citizens and don’t have evil intentions like class envy.
“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors belongings,” or something like that.
your losing it ... you need to layoff the talk radio
were you upset when the GOP majority played politics with legislation they proposed? or are you a blinded partisan hack that only gets upset when the dems do it?
Last edited by George Gervin's Afro; 12-29-2007 at 11:29 PM.
Reagan would be proud.
i'm glad that people with an income of $80,000 will get necessary help. just a closer step to making universal health care become a "logical" next step. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!! Bush isn't running for President in '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you don't care if the rich get taxed...it says more about you, than any rich/poor debate. And you become part of the problem.
Universal health care is for people who are too stupid, or too lazy to take care of themselves. Most govt social programs rely on the stupid and lazy to insure funding for their program. All Democrats, and most Republicans gear their campaigns around getting votes from this increasingly large voting population. Thereby, increasing that voting blocs numbers.
"Hey! They're getting it...I want some too! Where do I sign?"
And so it goes...
I still haven't figured out why someone would want the Government
running their health care. Especially when they have trouble
running anything. But old Teddy Kennedy knows more about your
health care than you do. Or maybe old Shaky Byrd knows more.
Or maybe the collective group congressmen knows best and you
don't know from nothing about your health care.
How about those who can't get coverage because they aren't "lazy" or "stupid" but due to an existing condition or illness?
It's a bit simplistic to assume that only those who aren't working hard enough aren't able to gain access to health care coverage.
Sure, handouts are always appealing to some, but why is it always assumed that it is the "stupid" and "lazy" who are lining up at the public trough? It's not that hard to see that many in our society who are lauded as exemplars of free enterprise success owe much to working governments in this country for handouts to their lazy asses.
Granted, they are able to do so because many are too stupid to figure out that it's the rich who are on the dole.
Greater government involvement in medicine isn't appealing, but when you have supposedly conservative Republicans willing to implement it for their big pharma supporters and some votes from the elderly then it's going to arrive in some shape or form.
As I said...all Democrats and MOST REPUBLICANS do this. And that majority of Republicans doing this are as conservative as Liberal Democrats. Bush is a prime example. Bush is no conservative.
And the stupid and lazy ARE lining up at the public trough. Govt social programs are geared for them specifically. If it were geared ONLY for the truely infirmed, even most conservatives would be hard pressed not to support it. Disabled Vets is a prime example.
But, that ain't the case. The vast majority who recieve it, shouldn't (and yes, that includes any corporate welfare as well...tho, any type of tax break is NOT welfare, they earned the money, it's theirs.) The fact that most Americans know this is what's truely frustrating.
Liberals only are interested in the "corporate" welfare (and they think tax breaks are corporate welfare, which is wrong.) Conservatives seem more level headed on this, and generally want to get rid of both...but, do focus on Social spending more (which is logical, since that's 95% of the expense.)
As far as Health Care. This is tough. Costs have risen so dramatically it's gotten out of control. However, the problem will not be fixed by govt intervention. In fact, a lot of the problems with rising costs are a direct result of govt intervention. More of it will only screw it up...can you say $800 toilet seats? Everything govt does costs more, we should all know this by now.
Insurance is also partly to blame. If everyone had to pay, out of their pocket, health costs...you better beleive they would be shopping those costs and keeping an eye out for them. Having insurance has taken that oversight away..."I don't care, insurance/Medicaid/Medicare will cover it." Taking the market completely out of play. Howeve, if given enough time...people will start making those insurance companies accountable for those high premiums. It's a curve, like anything else...prices go up to a point where they're not affordable anymore, customers leave...new alternatives come into play.
The market will make things affordable...if left alone to do its job. Everyone wants a quick-fix tho, so this will never happen. Americans have become stupid, imnsho. I blame our uneducation system, Brittany Spears, and the Monkees for this.
Last edited by SouthernFried; 12-30-2007 at 02:16 PM.
When it's the poor, they're "stupid" and "lazy". When it's the rich, it's "free enterprise".
It doesn't bother me that much if some poor kids get Pell grants to help them go to college or, gasp, handouts to help them receive medical care.
As for the "public trough", what exactly is that? Is that when you attend a public university with federal student loans and then pretend that you pulled yourself up by your bootstraps?
And corporate "welfare" also includes rules bent so that they favor the established.But, that ain't the case. The vast majority who recieve it, shouldn't (and yes, that includes any corporate welfare as well...tho, any type of tax break is NOT welfare, they earned the money, it's theirs.) The fact that most Americans know this is what's truely frustrating.
"Conservatives" as they refer to themselves in DC these days are a big reason that corporate welfare exists.Liberals only are interested in the "corporate" welfare (and they think tax breaks are corporate welfare, which is wrong.) Conservatives seem more level headed on this, and generally want to get rid of both...but, do focus on Social spending more (which is logical, since that's 95% of the expense.)
Yeah, but first off you'd have to make health care benefits taxable so that they become disentangled from your place of employment. It's not like most people really have that much of a choice when it comes to their health coverage.As far as Health Care. This is tough. Costs have risen so dramatically it's gotten out of control. However, the problem will not be fixed by govt intervention. In fact, a lot of the problems with rising costs are a direct result of govt intervention. More of it will only screw it up...can you say $800 toilet seats? Everything govt does costs more, we should all know this by now.
Insurance is also partly to blame. If everyone had to pay, out of their pocket, health costs...you better beleive they would be shopping those costs and keeping an eye out for them. Having insurance has taken that oversight away..."I don't care, insurance/Medicaid/Medicare will cover it." Taking the market completely out of play. Howeve, if given enough time...people will start making those insurance companies accountable for those high premiums. It's a curve, like anything else...prices go up to a point where they're not affordable anymore, customers leave...new alternatives come into play.
Still, as a society I think at some level you have to consider ensuring that the poor receive the basics in life somehow. Yes, this doesn't mean you socialize one-fifth of your economy (something I absolutely do not support) but what's the harm in providing some kind of guarantee? And I don't mean the guarantee that these days finds it way into subsidizing the middle class. We heavily subsidize education as we realize the positive externalities that arise from a better educated citizenry warrant it, yet somehow that turns into a major evil when applied to improving the health of the poor.The market will make things affordable...if left alone to do its job. Everyone wants a quick-fix tho, so this will never happen. Americans have become stupid, imnsho. I blame our uneducation system, Brittany Spears, and the Monkees for this.
And then to top it off the free enterprisers at the public trough are supporting those who decry welfare as the undeserved fruits of the "lazy" and "stupid".
There's something dreadfully wrong in these States of America.
Last edited by Holt's Cat; 12-30-2007 at 02:48 PM.
PS...it's amusing how many of the "lazy" and "stupid" are solidly middle class these days.
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