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Belichick is a GOD and the best NFL coach in history while Turner is a vulnerable mortal.
I thought it would be fun to see how their teams fared when they matched wits against each other over the years. Turner is an offensive coach and Belichick's specialty is defense.
Turner calls most of his plays, even when he is head coach. And Belichick might have a defensive coordinator, but it's his defense scheme.
Here is a list of games when both held a le of either coordinator, asst. head coach, or head coach. Turner was a wide receivers coach during 1985-90 so I did not include any of those games. Belichick was the defensive coordinator of the New York Giants at that time.
1991 Dallas Cowboys 26 Cleveland Browns 14
1996 Washington Redskins 27 New England Patriots 22
1999 Washington Redskins 27 New York Jets 20
2001 San Diego Chargers 29 New England Patriots 26
2002 Miami Dolphins 26 New England Patriots 13
2002 New England Patriots 27 Miami Dolphins 24
2003 New England Patriots 19 Miami Dolphins 13
2003 New England Patriots 12 Miami Dolphins 0
2005 New England Patriots 30 Oakland Raiders 20
2007 New England Patriots 38 San Diego Chargers 14
Belichick is on a five game winning streak. But the overall record is 5-5.
Last edited by slayermin; 01-15-2008 at 01:16 AM.
Belichick is a GOD and the best NFL coach in history while Turner is a vulnerable mortal.
Has any current or recent coach failed their way upwards as much as Turner?
I'd like to see Belicheck win with a different corp of players before I would anoint him the best in NFL history. However, if he gets 4 with an unprecedented undefeated season (all during the salary cap era), the argument against him becomes very difficult.
I don't know who I'd put at #1 right now. Noll has 4, but it was the same team winning them all. Walsh and Landry both have 3. Gibbs has 3 as well, but with 3 very different rosters, which may make him (the first time around) the most impressive of all.
Norv wouldn't keep getting work if he wasn't a good coach. He knows how to call a game.
This is something I pointed out when everyone was bashing the Norv hiring. Belichick hadn't done when he had teams with no talent, much like Norv.
norv should be calling plays for the niners instead of losing to the pats this sunday
Who are the niners playing this sunday?
Turner is a conservative coach when his teams have leads and Belichick is not.
that game this year is not indictative cause the chargers were just learning his system.
but considering the players he has now and the fact they have learned his system......the chargers will win.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how the Chargers can stop that high octane Patriots offense.
If the Colts can move the ball up and down the field on that Charger defense, you know the Patriots will too.
Unlike the Colts, the Patriots won't kill themselves with silly red zone turnovers. In fact, they rarely turn the ball over at all.
Patriots win 38-21.
you realize it's to his credit that he has a talented team right?
It's ridiculous to take that against him when he's the one hiring the personnel.
Norv actually had 2 or 3 pretty good teams in DC...and made the playoffs once, never past the second round.
Belichick is the Phil Jackson of the NFL. PJax hasn't done without Jordan or Shaq, Belichick hasn't done without Brady and that defense.
IMO, I think Belichick has more to do with Brady's success than Brady affecting Belichick's success. Belichick has a fantastic system. I've never seen someone that simply hits wide open recievers every single play, and almost never has to actually throw into coverage, or fit passes into tight spots. While I think it was absolutely stupid of Reggie Nelson to say what he said about Brady, I can understand, because all he does is hit wide open guys. He doesn't often impress anyone with throws he makes or anything like that. He isn't anywhere close to being as good of a playmaker as guys like Manning, Romo, and McNabb. When things break down, those guys are far better at making plays than Brady. Fortunately for Brady, things rarely break down for him as his line is absolutely superb. Thus, we end up seeing him hitting wide open guys over and over. Whatever system Belichick is running is freakin amazing.
so you'd take those guys ahead of Brady if you were building a team
yeah that first TD throw to Ben Watson where he pointed Ben to exactly where the ball was going to be placed, that's just a talentless hack hitting a wide open guy.
let's not forget that nobody in the NFL moves in the pocket as well as brady either. the line is solid, but brady buys himself alot of time as well, and he doesn't have to scramble & limit his options by doing so.
the majority of last season brady never had a wide open guy, he had to make great throws all year long. he led them to a 12-4 record with reche ing caldwell as their #1 option. to say all he does it hit wide open guys is stupid.
actually i never once said that. I just said they are better at making things happen when stuff breaks down.so you'd take those guys ahead of Brady if you were building a team
you said Brady was a product of the system, you said those guys were better playmakers, hence common sense telling me you'd choose those guys if you were building a team.
So, who would you take?
As an offensive mind, Turner > Belichick.
I might be wrong about this, but the offensive system in place in New England originated with Parcells and Bledsoe. It has probably evolved over the years since Brady is a better quarterback and they have had a couple of different offensive coordinators since Belichick took over.
But really, this was the first season they had a juggernaut offense. They won their last three Super Bowls because of defense, imo.
Landry has two.
Ouch, you're right. For some reason, I always think that they won in '75-'76.
I'll take Manning over Brady for sure. Romo and McNabb have things that they are better than Brady at, and vice versa, but overall, I'd probably take Brady, since he has proven that he is capable of getting the job done. I think that Romo and McNabb are more gifted and talented though. Carson Palmer too.
now you are getting ridiculous. What do you call gifted and talented??
arm strenght? vision? intangibles? football IQ? accuracy? moving in the pocket? clutch? scramble? should I even add leadership (in some sense can add to the talent) in which of those categories that define a QB are Romo and Mcnabb better. Hence throw in Manning.
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