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^^ BS!
Player who is hot must play, not better payed player!
Dear Pop:
What is going on - who knows their roles on this team?
Too many players get minutes, almost looks like Hubieball - for the next 10 games Spurs should settle on a consistent rotation with one back up per position:
Rasho/Rose
Duncan/Horry
Bowen/Brown
Manu/Barry
Parker/Beno
All the starters should go 33-35 minutes a game unless foul trouble with the exception of Bowen (Brown in for 20). Rasho especially has been playing well lately = let him prove he can do it for a game etc.
Duncan especially has to play entire 1st and 4th quarters (if close). Sick of the "6" minute subsitution in the first quarter etc. and the Parker score 17 in first half and sit the entire 3rd etc.
MadDoc
^^ BS!
Player who is hot must play, not better payed player!
I think that in order to be a really great team, you need to be flexible.
I agree that there is some chemistry lacking in the rotation right now. But I also feel that the Spurs have plenty of time to grow together as a team in preparation for the playoffs. The boys will work out the kinks if given the opportunity.
I don't understand this thread. You are saying you don't want them to be like the Grizzlies, but yet you want a 10man rotation? That's Grizzly-esque.
Finally, someone else sees what I have known all along!
The six-minute subs ution in the first quarter for Manu is necessary because he can't play long stretches at the high energy level he plays. And I've never seen Tony sit the entire third quarter.Sick of the "6" minute subsitution in the first quarter etc. and the Parker score 17 in first half and sit the entire 3rd etc.
No one was complaining about the rotations when the Spurs were winning (except Whottt) but they drop a game and all the rotations are wrong.
Tim hasn't been playing the same rotations lately because he's sick. Manu can't play an entire quarter, he'll faint.So basically, you go with who's hot and which combinations are working. In the end, Pop does play a 10man rotation with about the minutes distribution you are discussing (sans the 20 minutes consistently you'd like for Devin and your 33+ minutes for Rasho).
Last edited by Kori Ellis; 01-03-2005 at 08:14 AM.
The "six minute" subsitution was Duncan in the
Suns, Portland game at least. It may be this cold thing but can't he at least go one quarter before resting? What other team consistently has less than 3 of their starters on the floor? Spurs are so deep that they have been getting away with it but often, especially last night, the rotations have been foolish. Where was Rasho who was giving rebounds, defense, and points anytime in the 4th? Why did Rose sit the entire first half when he has earned the right to be the backup to Rasho? Why was Manu benched so early in the 4th when he scored the first 5-6 points?
I do not want a true 10 man rotation, just some consistency and let the starters play most of the minutes for awhile. On blowout nights and back to back give the others more minutes but do so with so semblance of order.
Rummpd how many threads per day are you at??
Anyway Hubie ran a 10 mann rotation through last season, and that is exactly what you are proposing here, and might I add exactly what we have been running. Mass and Wilks are the only members of our team not gaining reg minutes.
Manu can't play an entire quarter, he'll faint.
Recall the Olympics and the Laker game last year where Manu went off - Manu can play the whole game = he grew up playing soccer and there were no breaks in that.
Manu per minute played is probably the most effective Spur and he sits way to much!!
MadDoc
He's sick. They are trying to not play him in long stretches so he'll be of use in the fourth. He should be better soon, so that should be taken care of.The "six minute" subsitution was Duncan in the
Suns, Portland game at least. It may be this cold thing but can't he at least go one quarter before resting?
I just think you are overanalyzing things because of the loss. Also, Rasho's play doesn't warrant him playing 35mpg.
The Olympics aren't an 82-game season. If you play Manu more than 30 minutes a game, he'll be on IR in the playoffs.
No, it is still TD with 30.5, 16.3 and 4.05 blocks per 48 min
Why are people ing/crying after a loss?
It's one loss.
Not a losing streak. JESUS!
I will stand by my opinion that Manu is a fully capable world class athlete who should get at least 35 a night and would on almost any other team. He was the MVP of a Euro league. He would benefit by playing more. Also, that Rasho playing as he has over last 7 games should get 30+ minutes, if not, Rose should get his minutes.
You are probably right about Duncan - he does not look right physically but I am not sure he needs 10 minute breaks. At 75% he is still better by far than most. Except on back to backs he can go 36 minutes as well.
MadDoc
Maddoc - this is still the 1st half of the season and you should know how difficult it is to win on the road, the 3rd game of a road trip versus a quality team - 3rd game in 4 days.
Prescription:
For the Spurs - rest and a home stand
For you - go out to the driveway court or nearest park and play some hoops with your kid....and relax. Pop always tightens his rotation as the regular season draws to a conclusion and heading into the playoffs.
Thank you!
Anytime the Spurs lose it's like an absolute disaster and the team needs to be blown up immediately just to save the season.
if duncan is sick why do spurs go to him in the 4
he is the one that is tired then
if duncan is benched for the game
everyone knows they must step up to win
I complained in wins that we barely won against medicore teams because Pop was again screwing with what has obviously been a successful rotation.
I mean Robert Horry didn't do anything to deserve not getting any PT in the Orlando game, and it hurt us.
And we are better team when Barry gets substantial minutes, regardless of if his shot if falling or not, and as of last week I can find a quote from Pop himself finally saying what I have been saying all along. So then why doesn't Pop take his own advice?
Last night was not one of the games in which he has done it the worst...Pop this time at least went to Barry in the 4th...and he was rewarded with a tied game when Barry left the court...this doesn't explain why he gave him little or no minutes in the first half though. And it doesn't explain why Pop kept going to 4 loss time and time again when it was obvious Duncan was out of it.
This loss is not entirely on Pop, it goes on Bowen, Duncan and Parker as well...but Pop did get mysterious with the rotation again. For no reason...now he starting to do it with Malik instead of Horry though.
I don't really agreee with what Rump said, I like the 10 man rotation and to me it's obvious who should be closing out games...It's obvious to me what the best lineup the Spurs have is...In the end, Pop does play a 10man rotation with about the minutes distribution you are discussing (sans the 20 minutes consistently you'd like for Devin and your 33+ minutes for Rasho).
Parker
Manu
Barry
Horry
Duncan
Now there might be times when you want to replace Barry with Bowen, but when we are trailing in the score is not one of those times...
As I have said all along, Bruce is not superhuman, he is a 33 or 34 years old and he expends probably more energy on a nightly basis than any player in the NBA...we really don't need him to do that. He serves the team much better by being limited until the time when his skills are at a premium.
The truth of the mattter is Bruce's age is showing this season...he has been torched a lot this season, he got beat up in the playoffs last season...the energy he expends playing D is taking a toll on him...and if he isn't doing his job on D he is a liabiltiy to the team.
Start Devin, he has young legs and we want him to be playing better by the post season, starting him increases the chances of that happening...it's not like he's done less to justify starting than Jax had...
You could still start Bruce on nights when we face an elite scorer...but other than that it is silly to waste him when he isn't needed and I don't think it serves the best interests of the team.
I would rather pop experienment this time of the year
to see what works and does not then during march
It's obvious what works and what doesn't already.
Look, we are already the #1 defensive team in the NBA...no need to experiment since Pop's biggest goal has already been achieved.
This team has superior depth and it needs to be used as much in big games as it is in not so big games.
I was not pleased rasho did not see minutes in 4
last night
It's one loss. The sky is not falling. Sit back and enjoy our team's success. We have room for only one coach.
Yeah, this loss is nothing. It might actually be a learning tool for how not to play on an important road game. The Spurs will be ready on Tuesday night to face the Lakers. It's just one game and we all knew the Spurs would have to lose one sooner later. It's not like they were gonna win the rest of their games. It's better for them to lose now and learn rather than to lose later(playoffs)and learn.
It's not "one loss".
It's losing over and over by making the same mistakes over and over, players and coach. It's not being intelligent enough, from game to game, and within one game, to learn from the mistakes and make the team and coaching stronger in time for the playoffs.
If this Spurs team is so historically "special", it needs to find a way to win on nights like last night, to drag up the will to win, to coach the team using the players who are contributing, and to sit the starters who aren't, instead of "unspecially" giving the game away to inferior teams.
The game was very close last night, and just a little stepping up in the last 6 minutes by the players, and by the coach playing the Spurs who were playing well instead of blindly playing the starters, would have won it. It would have been a much more significant win, to win on an off-night against a playoff team on the road, than blowing out the Clips and Blazers, which were fun but meaningless games.
Robert was beautiful last night. He was really committed to and engaged in the game, and really got a bad call on the double team in the last minute. But more importantly was that he got his old legs moving into making the trapping play. Great crunch basketball from the vet.
Last edited by boutons; 01-03-2005 at 01:29 PM.
tp was turning the ball over
at 2:39 second parker was benched for the evening
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