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A big that could post up on his own and actually have some big man skills would be nice.
Sure Splitter is coming, but I want repeat NOW
I've mentioned this elsewhere, but have not garnered any responses...
I know that Buford and Pop like to build their team around this formula... Duncan down low, Ginobili and Parker slashing and shooting. Complement the Big Three with 3-point shooters and guys that play good defense.
However, we have redundant skill sets in the rotation:
Horry/Bonner = tall 3-point shooters
Finley/Barry = veteran 3-point shooters
Elson/Oberto = scrappy rebounding PF/Cs
That's a lot of overlap.
What's more alarming is that when you have Bowen and Vaughn on the floor, you better hope their defense holds, because all you're going to get on offense is the occasional 3.
When I think of this team, outside of the Big 3 (Duncan, Ginobili, Parker), who is capable of putting the ball on the floor and creating his own shot. I'm talking a mid-range jumper, a drive to the hoop, a fadeaway on the baseline, etc.
In other words, most of the bench consists of 3-point shooters and/or guys who can't create anymore or never could in the first place.
The second unit is stale and stagnant, which is why Ginobili comes off the bench.
We need guys that are more versatile and can get things done.
I'd like to see Udoku or someone on this team bring some creativity outside the block and within the 3-point line.
I think a swingman or point guard that can create off the dribble would open a lot up for this team and keep defenses honest.
What do you think?
Question.
A big that could post up on his own and actually have some big man skills would be nice.
Sure Splitter is coming, but I want repeat NOW
Last edited by BonnerDynasty; 01-23-2008 at 12:04 PM.
Bonner is Danny Ferry.
The thing I don't like is that when you sub Elson for Oberto, you're getting more of the same.
Bonner for Horry? Sweet. Another 6'10 guy who plays behind the 3-point line.
Finley and Barry do the same sh1t, too.
No diversity or creativity beyond the three star players.
It gets worse at the end of quarters.
Geez... I wonder if the Spurs are gonna just give the ball to Ginobili and hope for the best.
We need to add another dimension to this offense -- a versatile scorer.
Horry/Bonner = tall 3-point shooters Do you still trust Horry? Some think he's done, thus irrelevant.
Finley/Barry = veteran 3-point shooters I'm sure if they could trade one for a younger player, they would.
Elson/Oberto = scrappy rebounding PF/Cs Elson sucks, so he doesn't figure much into the scheme of things.
You feelin' me and I'm feelin' you, GW.
I've always been concerned with the Spurs inabilty to get more opportunity baskets when they are present. Much of that has to do with their style, but some of it has to do with the fact that they do not have anyone outside of Manu and TP, who can slash to the basket or create their own shots.
Obviously, it's a formula that has been successful. They do not have to turn into the Suns or Warriors, but having someone else on the team who could put pressure on the defense from inside the 3-pt line and not necessarily in the post is a good thing.
I've long stated my belief that the Spurs need to acquire a player who possesses a various combination of skills and athleticism. That's why I was heavily campaigning for the Corey Maggette acquisition - still am. Doesn't necessarily have to be him, but someone who bring such skills to the table.
Your comments don't instill confidence in me, Kori.
Basically you are saying the bench is filled with a sh1tty player and a corresponding sh1ttier version.
How can the Spurs not have one (1) athletic, dynamic scorer under the age of 30 in their rotation?
A guy like Willie Green would be swell.
question is, demarr johnson should be on this team
The thing is when you sub Elson for Fabs, you actually get a big man who is faster on his feet. Which is why I would like to see Manu, Udoka and Elson comprise part of a second unit that uses a run and gun type offense. Maybe even throw Barry out there with them and let him run point. Set Bonner at Duncans spot, then we would have 4 three point shooters, a slasher in Gino, a passer in Barry and a rebounder in Elson/Bonner. I think they could run wild out there for 5 minutes at a time while the starters get their rest.
Then bring Vaughn in with Tony. I've noticed he seems to do better when Tony is on the floor with him. He can strictly be the hustle guy, pestering on defense and going to the floor after loose balls. I think Vaughn has a place on this team, but it isn't strictly as a back up point guard. We seem to go stagnant on offense when he is running the show.
It would sure be nice if we could depend on the bench to put up 40+ a night. And by having two styles of O, it would keep the opposing defenders guessing.
Can't play D and dumb as a rock.
I would like them to have a young athletic, versatile big that can swing from 4 to the 3, as well as a young athletic swingman (2/3). Even if these guys were just sitting on the bench learning this year.
They are obviously trying to look at guys, which is why they called up (and sent down) so many players in recent weeks.
But right now, they don't have it.
I still think they can win this year without young athleticism. The Big 3 and Bruce should carry them through. And like you said in the other post, the rest of the league isn't that good. But eventually, they need to start getting some youngsters up here that are going to stick.
Im sure the Spurs along with other teams would like to know where these players are GDub.
The Spurs are missing the energetic fire-cracker SJax type role player. But they were last season too. Luckily Manu and Parker have been able to fill the slasher role without need for anything more.
Finley and Barry are actually pretty good midrange shooters.
The Spurs are at the top of the salary cap and so the only way to get the type of player you want, Ghost, is through a trade. Obviously the big 3 aren't going anywhere. Bowen and Udoka are the current and future defensive stoppers so they're staying put. The Spurs aren't going to trade Finley...Barry's been shopped before, largely unsuccessfully...I don't see anyone else on the roster that would have any real value to anyone. Bonner? Doubtful. Elson? Please.
This likely explains the musical 12th (13th?) man. The search is on for a diamond in the rough to fill that role you've mentioned.
Because the spurs were too conservative last summer and decided to keep the same old team and not add any younger players who could be the type of player your seeking.
I did not understand why the spurs decided that since they won last year it would be good enough to win this year with the same team.
No doubt. Expect to win with the same team that won the championship the year before???!!!
That's fvckin' nutz!!
I'd still love to know the young good wing players that were available to get...Because the spurs were too conservative last summer and decided to keep the same old team and not add any younger players who could be the type of player your seeking.
I did not understand why the spurs decided that since they won last year it would be good enough to win this year with the same team.
Oh wait, trade the heart and soul of the team Ginobili!!
YEAH THATS THE TICKET!!!
wouldnt sanikidze be our long 3 we are lookn for, next year come over?
didnt he do well in the summer camps?
Sure is when the team is a year older and many key players off the bench are on the decline. They should always try to improve, even after a championship.
james jones anyone?
Set Bonner at Duncans spot, then we would have 4 three point shooters, a slasher in Gino, a passer in Barry and a rebounder in Elson/Bonner. - SA Gambler
That sounds great in theory, but why would the 4 3-point shooters get any open looks?
You need someone down low that draws the defense.
What you described is 4 Spurs guarded closely on the perimeter and Ginobili left to try and score on his own.
An athletic forward who can rebound and put the ball on the floor and create his own shot. He doesn't have to shoot the ball well, because the Spurs have that. Someone who can create his own shot. I don't care if he can't shoot beyond 15ft.
Damon Stoudemire (spell check) might be bought out. He only shoots from the outside. Earl Boydkins is still out there. He likes to score.
a million posts is a lot.
First and foremost, Duncan, Ginobili and Parker won't be traded.
So you look at contracts... who has a deal that's expiring that might be attractive to another team?
You look at other teams' need... is there a team out there that could use a veteran gunner like Barry/Finley? How about a hardworking rebounder with championship experience like Elson/Oberto? Some coaches like the novelty of a 4 who can shoot the 3-pointer like Horry/Bonner.
And you continue to look at NBA-DL players or guys off waivers.
The bottom line is that we were fearful that the team was getting too old and injury prone (don't Ginobili and Parker always seem dinged up?) at least two years ago.
Just because the team caught some breaks and was relatively healthy last playoffs didn't mean the front office shouldn't have looked towards the immediate future.
The bench offers a lot of overlap and minimal upside.
Love the thought. I seriously doubt he could be had now. However, Portland does have a glut of swingmen and Jones isn't getting the type of minutes he could get here next season.
Hopefully, the Spurs will take a hard look at him this offseason.
I think there are enough difference between the players to truly consider it a problem of redundancy.
Finley is a scorer with limited passing ability who is a decent defender. Barry is a shooter who can also pass but is a limited defender.
Oberto is a solid defender who can't block shots. Offensively he's a good passer and can score around the bucket. Elson isn't a very good defender but he can block shots. Offensively he is most a jump shooter.
Horry is a low energy player who plays using his brain. Bonner is a high energy hustle player who plays using his heart.
I think if you want to paint the Spurs with a broad bush, there might be some redundancies. However, a closer looks leaves plenty of noticeable differences.
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