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fok the rebate
isnt the spurs makn a profit anyway?
cant for once they stop being cheap s? and build a team to repeat
By Marc Stein ESPN.com
http://proxy.espn.go.com/nba/dailydi...dime-080202-03
When Damon Stoudamire formally signs with San Antonio on Saturday, he will secure a salary of $538,054 for the final 75 days of the regular season, pro-rated from the NBA veteran minimum of $1.2 million.
Stoudamire's salary-cap figure will actually be a mere $339,975 -- because the league pays a portion of the salary on veterans with at least three seasons of service time who sign at the minimum rate -- but that small amount is still enough to potentially cost San Antonio some $2 million at season's end.
The Spurs, at present, are about $275,000 under the luxury-tax line. They need Stoudamire even more now than when they started pursuing him with Parker out indefinitely thanks to a heel injury, but bringing him in will prevent the Spurs from collecting the estimated rebate in the $2 million range afforded to all teams at season's end that stayed under the tax line ...
unless San Antonio makes a trade between now and the Feb. 21 trading deadline that takes its payroll back below the line.
fok the rebate
isnt the spurs makn a profit anyway?
cant for once they stop being cheap s? and build a team to repeat
This will give the Spurs even more reason to make a trade. With more than $15M in expiring contracts, the Spurs won't find it that hard to find a trade partner.
The scary thing, however, is I wouldn't be surprised to see the Spurs trade Mahinmi for a pick to save the money. They'd justify it by pointing to Splitter and leaking some BS rumor that Mahinmi had a bad at ude while with the Toros.
Just warning you Spurs fans now . . .
Well, I am getting worried. It's been about 3 months since the Spurs gifted a player they drafted to another team.
I don't see how they could start anything about Ian. I'm sure they'll look for trades, but they've paid the tax when we thought they would before....
15m in expiring contracts
alot of teams are havin a fire sale
might as well put out a few options see what we can get
I would guess any trade to get under the tax would involve the Spurs actually including cash considerations with Elson/Barry/whomever to other teams for garbage like a conditional second rounder.
Nothing beats paying 500k to a million in order to get under the tax and get a portion of the money.
if this cost us a repeat?
than fock that
I wouldn't dump Elson or Barry, maybe even Bonner. Mahimi makes sense, because he won't really make much of a difference this year or not.
There are also a few teams under the cap, who might also have something we might be able to get in return.
Elson deserves to be sent away.
He has no role in the Spurs future, and there's no reason to keep him around and pretend that he'll have some role in the playoffs now that Udoka is strong enough to handle himself against PFs in a smallball role.
Elson's role diminished in each series of the playoffs last year and I hope he's out of here sooner rather than later.
I'd send away bonner + elson + whoever else required. Barry would be a last option... I'd love for him to retire as a Spur!
Obviously, getting Mike Miller from the Grizz would've been an awesome replacement.
Ian + Splitter should be kept though.. you can never have enough big men. It's not as if Ian would be commanding a huge salary next year. And if they do work out, I guess they could get rid of Oberto if they're in a really tight spot and don't want to pay, but it would be dumb to get rid of such promising players just to save a bit of $$$ (a bit for Holt anyway)...
Signing Stoudamire will cost something like $3M to Spurs if they don't do a trade to go below the luxury tax.
I doubt that they think that the "upgrade" from Vaughn to Stoudamire is worth $3M. Spurs could have managed Parker's injury by signing a player like Mike Wilks to a ten days contract for the second leg of the RRT, it would have allowed them to stay below the tax.
Odds of a trade are pretty high right now unless Holt don't care at all spending $3M.
to me, players on the trading block are Elson, Barry and Bonner (in that order). If Spurs needs to trade something with more value, I can see them trading future draft picks. Spurs struggling makes Spurs 2008 first round pick a little more attractive for other teams.
It'd be a lot harder to trade one of those three players than it would be to trade Mahinmi. Not many teams can absorb those contracts, so finding a suitable trade isn't always possible. Can't you see a scenario where the Spurs trade Mahinmi for a future pick and then point to Splitter as the reason?
That's like Spurs Trades 101.
Elson is quite easy to trade. Trade him for a player paid between $2.3M and $2.93M and Spurs end up below the luxury tax.
Elson contract is front loaded. While we are at mid season, Spurs or the team who trade for him will only have to give him $300K until the end of the season.
If Spurs like Mahinmi, I don't see them dumping him. Pop said he was happy with Mahinmi improvement and that he will be playing with Spurs next year. I don't see Spurs trading Mahinmi unless they get a good return for him. Given that Mahinmi trade value should be still low, I don't think he will be traded.
Hmmm....maybe that's why Pop was at the game tonight. To make a final decision.
That would suck.
The thing is...the Scola trade probably has them wary of doing another move like that. I think if they were really that determined to save money they just wouldn't have signed Stoudamire.
Whether anyone wants to admit it or not...Stoudamire could very well be done. He wasn't exactly tearing it up with Memphis this year, and it wouldn't be the first time the Spurs have signed a an aging PG only to find out he was done...you'd think they would be careful about doing that again after Charlie Ward and NVE. Hard to see them putting that much money out on the table if they are so worried about spending it.
i dont think elson, bonner or our expiring pieces are worth jack
How much Spurs would have to pay? Could they avoid luzury tax making trades?
Ian and Splitter are exciting prospects for the Spurs but without Horry next year nor Elson, maybe we'll need a veteran guy like Oberto who helps the rookies. Duncan, Oberto, Mahinmi and Splitter in front court. it sounds good for me.
I think I'd be upset if the Spurs gave up on Mahinmi. I think he has really suprised this year when most of us thought he would be little more than a fringe guy if anything. Of course he still has a long way to go, but you could see him being a regular rotation player in the NBA if he continues his development.
I'd advocate trading Elson for someone like Ot a Harrington....another player on an expiring contract that would put the Spurs under the lux tax threshold.
Please Lord don't let the Spurs trade Mahinmi.
You're 100% correct.
Almost.
Most likely they would package Mahinmi to get rid of the 'bad salary' of Matt Bonner.
It is not the Spurs' way to trade assets for assets like a draft pick. They trade assets for the absence of costs.
There would have to be an incentive for the other team to trade the Spurs back an expiring deal worth less than Elson-- such as cash AND a pick. I don't see that Bonner is particularly tradeable by himself because he is in the first year of a three year deal. Barry is the guy who could actually be able to help a team- when he is healthy.
I could definitely see the Spurs packaging Ian or the rights to some player with a player to shed salary.
There is nothing to back up the idea of Spurs trading Mahinmi. For the moment, all signs point towards Spurs liking him and wanting to keep him.
If Spurs want to go under the tax, they can easily trade Elson.
Ian better make progress on the excessive fouling, or he's more susceptible to being traded.
Considering we just saw Kwame Brown's expiring contract bring in Gasol in return, I'd have to disagree.
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