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I think the eulogies to the Suns up-tempo basketball are very premature. It's not like the Suns run a 5-man fast break.
Did they run with Kurt Thomas on the floor?
So, I checked over and over again, and it seems it hasn't been posted yet.
Sorry if it's the case.
So long, Suns, it's been fun
The disappointment isn't because Phoenix failed to win a championship with small ball. It's because the Suns stopped trying.
Trading Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks for Shaquille O'Neal might be a full-scale (albeit bizarre) attempt to grab a ring, but it also is an admission of failure for their way of basketball. They just sided with the skeptics and said, "You're right, we can't run our way to the Finals."
I'd rather see them go out like Tom Hanks in "Saving Private Ryan," pulling out his pistol and firing away at the German tank in a last desperate effort to save the bridge. Or show some of that same defiance as Denzel Washington in "American Gangster," making one last trip to Asia to import more heroin even though everybody's telling him the game is over.
Instead the Suns conformed.
I had a teacher who used to say revolution is impossible in a capitalistic society because any countercultural idea will quickly get bought up and mass-marketed and next thing you know Che Guevara t-shirts are going for $8.99.
The same goes for the NBA. They have widened the lane, brought in the 3-point shot, made it illegal to hand-check speedy guards … and it's still as much a big man's game as it was in the days of George Mikan.
The object is to get the best shot possible, and tall men dunking will always be the best option. If you wanted to win, that was the way to go. Michael Jordan ruled the 1990s, but the further we get away from that time the more of an aberration it seems and the more we can put to rest any comparisons to him. He won six rings with Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley at center. There's no other like him.
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In the half-court, Amare Stoudemire and Steve Nash will compete with Shaq for touches.
For all others, the way to a championship is through the low post. Shaq and Tim Duncan have won eight of the past nine championships. Even when Magic and Bird were racking up rings they still had Hall of Fame centers in the paint.
The inside game is not as fun, it's not as entertaining, but it's effective. In football, you win with defense and running; in baseball, you win with pitching. In life, you'd better eat your vegetables.
Kobe Bryant and the Lakers tried to fight these essential truths, and it ended about as happily as Ot o. When Shaq was in L.A., the Lakers were better when the ball went through O'Neal, even if they were more boring. Besides, O'Neal provided plenty of entertainment before the cameras in the locker room. (He hasn't lost that touch, as he showed in a tribute to his alma mater before the BCS championship game.)
It might have been hard to admit for the franchise that brought us Showtime, but no team was ever going to get another ultimate point guard like Magic Johnson surrounded by finishers such as James Worthy, Byron Scott and Michael Cooper. But the circus couldn't have gone on without Kareem Abdul-Jabbar keeping the tent up. When things slowed down, they could always go inside to the greatest scorer in the history of the game.
Other teams (most notably Doug Moe's Denver Nuggets) tried to run without a true big man, but the Suns were our first viable alternative. Nutritious cotton candy. Maybe, just maybe, they could outrun everybody to the ring. Even this season, with some nagging injuries and lingering chemistry issues, they still had the best record in the Western Conference before they pulled the trigger on the trade.
Perhaps it was the double-whammy of losing a home game to the depleted Spurs followed by the Lakers' acquisition of Pau Gasol the next day that spooked Suns GM Steve Kerr into action. The Suns got desperate. One involved party member called it "a last-ditch play."
All you need to know about this deal is that it doesn't fit the Headline Rule. That in itself should raise more red flags than a NASCAR race at Martinsville.
The Headline Rule dictates that the NBA team that gets the player in the headline automatically wins the trade. It was "Lakers Get Gasol," not "Kwame Traded to Grizzlies." Clear advantage: Lakers.
In this case, the news was Shaq got traded. But the people who think the Suns are better off for this move are in the minority. The more common reaction was: What were they thinking?
O'Neal doesn't fit the Suns' style or their payroll plans.
Some argue that Shaq can play the role of ex-Sun Kurt Thomas: rebounding and guarding the likes of Tim Duncan. If that's the case then why didn't they just keep Kurt Thomas at $8 million a year instead of taking on Shaq's contract at $20 million per through 2010?
And that way it wouldn't have cost them Marion. As much as anyone, Marion enabled the Suns to be the Suns. He could defend a variety of positions, he could start and finish fast breaks and he could hit open three-pointers. Everything they needed and wanted to do, he could provide. While Steve Nash got the acclaim and Amare Stoudemire got the dunks, Marion got the critical offensive rebounds.
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Along with Nash's vision, Marion's all-around prowess provided the Suns their unique iden y.
No, Marion can't guard Duncan. But at the rate Shaq has picked up fouls this season, he might last only 20 minutes against the Quiet Storm. That's assuming O'Neal can get on the court. He played in only four games last month. He'll turn 36 next month.
Some speculate the trade will motivate and rejuvenate him the way his exile from L.A. did in 2004. Surely the chance to squash Kobe's championship dreams should be good for a few extra reps in the weight room. But maybe his body can't keep up with his ego anymore. In this case the fall could goeth before pride.
But even if he's slower, even if he can't jump as high, he's still 7-foot-1. You don't need to scheme or create a special offense for 7-foot-1.
Even Don Nelson, the ultimate oddball, took a nod toward tradition when he brought back Chris Webber. Like Shaq with the Suns, Webber's slower game doesn't appear to fit with the Warriors' style. But perhaps Golden State decided it need more passes to and from the post than threes being launched from the hash mark.
If the Suns really wanted to take things to the extreme they would have signed Earl Boykins and set him loose in the backcourt with Leandro Barbosa. Instead they've gone the other way, toward the norm, toward the pack.
La revolución está muerta.
I think the eulogies to the Suns up-tempo basketball are very premature. It's not like the Suns run a 5-man fast break.
Did they run with Kurt Thomas on the floor?
WTF is going on, everyone is coming to the West? is it a gold fever or what?
The SUNS had no choice but to make a move. High risk. High reward to be sure.
Small ball/run & gun/D'Antonis 3 ring circus regular season offense wasn't going to win anything.
SPURS fan's know this as well as anyone.
It was a good article, but anyone who thinks the Suns' run-and-gun style is dead is a damned fool. Last I checked, this team is still coached by Mike D'Antoni and still spearheaded by Steve Nash. Shaq will have to adjust.
thhis is Kerr's way of telling D'Antoni to pack his bags.
If anything, having Shaq on your team will allow the Suns to run even MORE. The biggest key to being a running team is you must dominate the paint (on the defensive end) and get rebounds. With Shaq and Amare on the court, they can use those two to get key rebounds and start their fast break (with Amare joining the break)
And when the game slows down (which it will) in the playoffs, then the Suns can opt to go to Shaq more often in the half-court on offense. Even with his fading athletic ability, Shaq is still an excellent passer in the half court.
The NBA isn't ruled by big men.
It's ruled by big men surrounded by teams who can play defense. Honestly, how many teams SUCK because they play with only big men who have no skill?
Jordan won so many rings because he was the GoaT, but also because they had players around him who could PLAY DEFENSE.
If the Pistons had a dominant scorer, they would merit comparisons to those Bulls teams of the 90s.
The Spurs are great because they have players that can play both ways on every single play of the game over a 7 game stretch. Parker, Manu, Bowen, Duncan, Fabs -- every single one of those guys can stop their man when the need is dire.
There lies the problem
Another problem is the Suns perimeter D.
If talented G/F's go to the rim, Shaq will be late and be forced to make fouls because of it
That's right. What people forget is that a fast break starts with a rebound and outlet pass. (No running by the rebounder required.)
Shaq can do that.
Nash - reluctant 3 point shooter
Barbosa/Bell - 3 point shooters
Marion - 3 point shooter/finisher
KT - Jump shooter
Amare - finisher
Nash -reluctant 3 point shooter
Barbosa/Bell - 3 point shooters
Hill - 2 point jumpshooter/finisher
Amare - finisher
Shaq - won't make it past half court
Not even close. You used to have to defend three or maybe four 3 point shooters on the break. Now it's 2, unless Nash pulls up, which he almost never does.
like that nick for timmy.the Quiet Storm
Their run'n'gun style is only dead when they play the Spurs
Shaq can reboud.
But his outlet passes are...ahem
this trade could go both ways --
but will shaq stay healthy? doubt it.
If they think 2007s playoffs sucked...
This is just dumb, silly, bad writing. Comparing a NBA team's strategy with a depiction of a heroin dealer...WTF?Or show some of that same defiance as Denzel Washington in "American Gangster," making one last trip to Asia to import more heroin even though everybody's telling him the game is over.
Problem is, Shaq is averaging 6.1 DRB/36 minutes this year, Marion is at 7.9.
Another thing is, long rebounds get better fast breaks, Shaq doesn't get long rebounds.
When Amare played C, the Suns had 5 people who would beat you up the court. now it will only be 4. they will still run, but their fast break became at least 20% less potent.
Whenever Kurt Thomas was on the floor, it slowed down their offense. It was the price they paid for having someone who could remotely guard TD. Imagine how much slower it will be with Shaq.
The problem for the suns remains the same, with our without Shaq.
The Spurs.
You just identified the 2 major problems
I agree with you that D'Antoni is a major problem.
I like Quiet Storm.
It's no Stone Buddha, but it's a of a lot better than Big Fundamental.
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