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I thought Mark Cuban was trying to make a play for him?
I thought Mark Cuban was trying to make a play for him?
No Cuban aint. What makes you think Dallas needs Kidd?
Because they have no leader ?
I thought it was supposed to be Jason Terry and some cash for Jason Kidd.
Terry for Kidd doesn't work, capwise. Terry doesn't even make half Kidd's salary. In fact, the Kidd for Terry/Stack rumor doesn't even work, capwise.
Yes, that bastion of integrity and character Jason Kidd would be great for that.
Any package centered around Terry or Stack + salaries to match, why would New Jersey want those contracts?
Even so, he still has more balls than DirkYes, that bastion of integrity and character Jason Kidd would be great for that.
Bull he does. Dirk doesn't go crying and sulking when things don't go his way. It takes plenty of mental toughness to do what the Mavs have done: make a Finals, beat the teams they did along the way, win 60+ every year, be professionals when things don't go your way, etc...
The Mavs have never done the amount of whining, foot-stomping and excuse-making like Phoenix does after every playoff exit. They never failed to credit their opponents and be classy about it, no matter what Cuban's anti-ref reputation says.
As for having no balls, would you say that about Tony Parker because he's not playing on bone spurs? Then why is Dirk castigated for going out there with the exact same injury against the Warriors when his team had no shot to do anything in the playoffs without him? And you don't have a leg to stand on if you pull up the Finals, because he was great in the final two games of that series.
Last edited by Findog; 02-09-2008 at 07:56 PM.
And you forgot being destroyed by the 8th seed the following season.
You call that mental toughness.
I call that a collapse.
At least Kidd made back-to-back Finals appearances
against 8 seed that went 16-3 when healthy after that trade, with their starting center out with a torn rotator cuff and their MVP hobbled by bone spurs.
Out of the East. BFD.At least Kidd made back-to-back Finals appearances
Exactly! Those Nets teams defeated just one 50-win team the two seasons en route to the Finals. ONE. That means in one season they made the Finals without beating a single 50-win team.
There are times out West where you can't escape playing one, even as early as the first round.
Kidd got lucky. Right team, right conference, right time.
That's it.
He's a HOF player, but people make too much out of those Finals appearances.
I had Kidd on my favorite team, remember? He never led the Pheonix Suns past the first round. NOT ONCE! He had homecourt at least twice and the only playoff series the Suns won during the Kidd era was with him out in 2000 vs. the Duncan-less Spurs. KJ came out of retirement to lead the Suns. Once Kidd returned for the Lakers, the Suns were promtly ousted 4-1.
Kidd is a great player with a very weak resume' against the best team in the League, despite being on a handful of very talented teams withsome very talented players.
If I'm Dallas and I can get him for Stackhouse, Terry and a 1st or two, then sure, I'd do it, but since the Nets are pushing for Harris, I'd stand pat.
Dirk may not be Jordan when it comes to being clutch, but his worst was no worse than Kidd's. I certainly would prop him up to be some kind of franchise savior. Kidd's best in the Finals was a 2-4 loss. Dirk's best was a 2-4 loss.
In my eyes, there's no differece. Each is a great individual player. Each has some issues of truly leading a team to le-greatness. As a Suns fan, I know the feeling. I've seen many players on the Suns the exact same way.
That's not what I remember from that Houston series.
Last rumor I heard was that 3 way with the Blazers where the Mavs give up Harris, Stack, and Diop or Bass.
Portland backed off of that.
Mavs have to think up another trade scenario all over again.
I don't remember him not being a team player or professional in that series. Care to refresh my memory about what you're referring to?
Mavs are not parting with Harris to get Kidd, much less sending him to Portland. Does that make sense? Sending their point guard who is having a breakout season to up and coming Portland, which will be a Western power for years to come with Oden, Aldridge, Roy and then Harris added to the mix, for a 36 yr old that while still useful, has seen better days and would cost the Mavs $40 million in luxury tax? Really? The Mavs were going to do that? I have no idea why people think Dallas would want to aid Portland's ascension.
Last edited by Findog; 02-10-2008 at 03:16 AM.
Nobody yet has offered up a plausible explanation for how Dallas is better by trading for Jason Kidd, given what it would take to get him. If we could just add him to the roster for spares and scrubs, sure, great, bring him in. But it would take Harris, and point guard is not a weakness for us this year.
Dirk's "lack of clutchness" is way overblown. Next to Jordan, or Kobe, yeah, of course he comes up short. But he's made a Finals, he played very well in the final two games of that series when his team lost by a grand total of 4 points, and he was hobbled by bone spurs against the Warriors. Spurs fans have no problem with shutting Tony Parker down because it's obvious he's not the same player with that injury and rest and rehab is the only thing that's going to get him better. Yet the Mavs were in a situation where they were toast without Dirk and he suited up anyway because they needed him due to what time of year it was, and he's been crucified for it. I'm not saying that Dirk is clutch or isn't clutch, but people forget what he did against San Antonio, what he did against Phoenix, or the fact that his team is 5-0 in Game Sevens (I'm counting that Game Five against Utah as a Game Seven) and he played well in four of those games. His successes don't count but his failures do. I don't get it. Beating San Antonio in the second round and Phoenix in the Conference Finals, it's like it never happened, whereas the Golden State series when he wasn't 100% is the be-all, end-all. Look at what he's done to the Warriors this season when healthy.
Dirk is one of the more maligned stars in the league mostly b/c his failures (in GS and Mia) were so historic: being up 2-0 and favorites, then being favorites all season and then losing to the 8th seed.
For the most part, I don't think its completely fair. He has developed his game over the years and become more of a team player. And by all accounts is a decent and modest guy (for those attacking his character). But until he leads the team to the ring, he will have the soft, choker label, which is deserved but not to the extent that the media and others hype it.
Fair enough.
And Kidd will more than likely NOT be traded. Thorn is unwilling to settle, and 3 team trades (which would be necessary since Mavs probably would not trade away 4 players) are highly unlikely.
Actually, Atlanta has been mentioned in a couple Kidd rumors and that's a more interesting prospect, they certainly have more options to offer. Except they are not contenders.
I think Kidd would help them solidify one of the last two playoff spots, since there's only 6 good teams in the East. Then again, the East is so bad, the Hawks should be able to make it without Kidd, and I don't what their cap situation is off-hand, but they're probably better off developing Acie Law for the long-haul than trading for Kidd. Kidd's contract makes it hard for any team to absorb him or avoid having to give up too many roster spots to make it happen. Without another team, the Mavs have to give up 4 players for him, it's just not feasible.
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