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    Look people have been dancing around the race issue during this whole election cycle. Race is playing a part in this election whether anyone wants to admit it or not. African Americans, for the most part, will take it personally if Obama doesn't win. Hillary has a solid majority of Latino support behind her that Obama will need to win in the general election. No one knows if he can garner the hispanic support he needs to win in November.

    Last night at my caucus 311 people were counted as delegates.

    225 for Obama
    185+ African american
    30 anglo
    10 hispanic

    86 for Clinton
    60 anglo
    25 hispanic
    1 African American woman...


    Race will play a part in this election whether anyone wants to admit it our not.

    I am hispanic and support Clinton only because I don't think Obama is ready..

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    Just wait till the illegals can vote. Obamania will crumble!

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    Question is....

    If Obama wins, will Latinos be so turned off that they vote for the old white guy?

    Or If Clinton wins, will African Americans be so turned off that they vote for the old white guy?

    I'm not so sure...

    So while I agree that it might play a part in the selection of a democratic presidential nominee, I think it matter to a much smaller degree in the general election. Fact is, minority voters (be they Latino or African American) tend to go Democrat anyways.

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    Look people have been dancing around the race issue during this whole election cycle. Race is playing a part in this election whether anyone wants to admit it or not. African Americans, for the most part, will take it personally if Obama doesn't win. Hillary has a solid majority of Latino support behind her that Obama will need to win in the general election. No one knows if he can garner the hispanic support he needs to win in November.

    Last night at my caucus 311 people were counted as delegates.

    225 for Obama
    185+ African american
    30 anglo
    10 hispanic

    86 for Clinton
    60 anglo
    25 hispanic
    1 African American woman...


    Race will play a part in this election whether anyone wants to admit it our not.

    I am hispanic and support Clinton only because I don't think Obama is ready..
    Ready for what? To do the cha-cha? How freaking ready was JFK? Bush and Clinton both were governors. Yet Clinton may have been more "ready". Why is that?

    Both of them are going to be surrounded by experienced advisors every step of the way. They aren't going to make decisions in a friggin vacuum.

    At the end of the day, it's about who has the better judgement. Who has the better willingness to do what's right for the country above campaign promises and partisan bull ? It ain't Hillary.

    Better judgement is why Bill was better at the job compared to Bush (well, not always... he didn't have judgement enough to stop himself from getting a BJ in office.).

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    Look people have been dancing around the race issue during this whole election cycle. Race is playing a part in this election whether anyone wants to admit it or not. African Americans, for the most part, will take it personally if Obama doesn't win. Hillary has a solid majority of Latino support behind her that Obama will need to win in the general election. No one knows if he can garner the hispanic support he needs to win in November.

    Last night at my caucus 311 people were counted as delegates.

    225 for Obama
    185+ African american
    30 anglo
    10 hispanic

    86 for Clinton
    60 anglo
    25 hispanic
    1 African American woman...


    Race will play a part in this election whether anyone wants to admit it our not.

    I am hispanic and support Clinton only because I don't think Obama is ready..
    I always though you and RtD were black.

    One wrong . . . one to go . . .

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    Look people have been dancing around the race issue during this whole election cycle. Race is playing a part in this election whether anyone wants to admit it or not. African Americans, for the most part, will take it personally if Obama doesn't win. Hillary has a solid majority of Latino support behind her that Obama will need to win in the general election. No one knows if he can garner the hispanic support he needs to win in November.

    Last night at my caucus 311 people were counted as delegates.

    225 for Obama
    185+ African american
    30 anglo
    10 hispanic

    86 for Clinton
    60 anglo
    25 hispanic
    1 African American woman...


    Race will play a part in this election whether anyone wants to admit it our not.

    I am hispanic and support Clinton only because I don't think Obama is ready..


    suck me off, racist.

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    Look people have been dancing around the race issue during this whole election cycle. Race is playing a part in this election whether anyone wants to admit it or not. African Americans, for the most part, will take it personally if Obama doesn't win. Hillary has a solid majority of Latino support behind her that Obama will need to win in the general election. No one knows if he can garner the hispanic support he needs to win in November.

    Last night at my caucus 311 people were counted as delegates.

    225 for Obama
    185+ African american
    30 anglo
    10 hispanic

    86 for Clinton
    60 anglo
    25 hispanic
    1 African American woman...


    Race will play a part in this election whether anyone wants to admit it our not.

    I am hispanic and support Clinton only because I don't think Obama is ready..
    Not just race; women go for Hillary FAR more than Obama.

    Democrats are Racist AND Sexist

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    Is this some kind of code for Oprah?

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    Its not about race, its about whats right. Right now, uniting the country is the right thing to do. Hillary causes more division.

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    Of the tons of comments here and on the web, my biggest fear is that Hillary's game will be defined as "I'm en led to the Presidency. Gimme! It's mine. And if I can't have it, no other Dem will have it."

    The TX/OH success of her recent negativity and personal attacks on Obamba (he's not a Muslim "as far as I know" will certainly say "keep going, Rove-like, dirty, personal, and s my. Destroy Obama (and alienate his supporters into not voting at all, giving the election of InSaine.)"

    If the Dems are kept in the energizing national spotlight up the convention with postive campaigs, then great. The Dems will win. But if Hillary take the campaign unrelentingly ugly and personal (Obama will have to respond similarly because Americans respond to negative ), the Dems could tear them selves apart and lose the election.

    Racism and sexism are huge deciders in this race, as is name-ism (vote against real, given name of Hussein, but adore a fake, taken name like John (Wayne) )

    Never misunderestimate the stupidity the American circus watchers.

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    Of the tons of comments here and on the web, my biggest fear is that Hillary's game will be defined as "I'm en led to the Presidency. Gimme! It's mine. And if I can't have it, no other Dem will have it."

    The TX/OH success of her recent negativity and personal attacks on Obamba (he's not a Muslim "as far as I know" will certainly say "keep going, Rove-like, dirty, personal, and s my. Destroy Obama (and alienate his supporters into not voting at all, giving the election of InSaine.)"

    If the Dems are kept in the energizing national spotlight up the convention with postive campaigs, then great. The Dems will win. But if Hillary take the campaign unrelentingly ugly and personal (Obama will have to respond similarly because Americans respond to negative ), the Dems could tear them selves apart and lose the election.

    Racism and sexism are huge deciders in this race, as is name-ism (vote against real, given name of Hussein, but adore a fake, taken name like John (Wayne) )

    Never misunderestimate the stupidity the American circus watchers.
    Guess who boutons is voting for? It aint Billary.

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    Of the tons of comments here and on the web, my biggest fear is that Hillary's game will be defined as "I'm en led to the Presidency. Gimme! It's mine. And if I can't have it, no other Dem will have it."

    The TX/OH success of her recent negativity and personal attacks on Obamba (he's not a Muslim "as far as I know" will certainly say "keep going, Rove-like, dirty, personal, and s my. Destroy Obama (and alienate his supporters into not voting at all, giving the election of InSaine.)"

    If the Dems are kept in the energizing national spotlight up the convention with postive campaigs, then great. The Dems will win. But if Hillary take the campaign unrelentingly ugly and personal (Obama will have to respond similarly because Americans respond to negative ), the Dems could tear them selves apart and lose the election.

    Racism and sexism are huge deciders in this race, as is name-ism (vote against real, given name of Hussein, but adore a fake, taken name like John (Wayne) )

    Never misunderestimate the stupidity the American circus watchers.

    So Obama plays tough politics and Clinton's smear people..
    So when is a campaign not personal? Please give me an example of Clinton getting ugly..Hear it all the time but no one ver produces anything to back it up..


    KROFT: You don't believe that Senator Obama is a Muslim?

    CLINTON: Of course not. I mean, that's -- you know, there is no basis for that. You know, I take him on the basis of what he says. And, you know, there isn't any reason to doubt that.

    KROFT: And you said you'd take Senator Obama at his word that he's not a Muslim.

    CLINTON: Right. Right.

    KROFT: You don't believe that he's a Muslim --

    CLINTON: No. No. Why would I? There's no --

    KROFT: -- or implying, right?

    CLINTON: No, there is nothing to base that on, as far as I know.

    KROFT: It's just scurrilous --

    CLINTON: Look, I have been the target of so many ridiculous rumors. I have a great deal of sympathy for anybody who gets, you know, smeared with the kind of rumors that go on all the time.

    So are you taking things out of context boutons?Of course you are..

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    You know, the experience thing is such bullcrap anyways.

    She can't win on that argument, because she's going to be running against McCain. He'll say, "You want experience? Can't beat me in experience!"

    Really, anyone who is favoring experience should go ahead and vote for McCain anyways. Because he's got more than both candidates combined.

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    You know, the experience thing is such bullcrap anyways.

    She can't win on that argument, because she's going to be running against McCain. He'll say, "You want experience? Can't beat me in experience!"

    Really, anyone who is favoring experience should go ahead and vote for McCain anyways. Because he's got more than both candidates combined.

    Does experience matter or not?

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    Does experience matter or not?
    Not. Better judgement trumps experience.

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    Not. Better judgement trumps experience.

    How do you know Obama has better judgement than the other 2?

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    Does experience matter or not?
    Not as much as judgement, particularly since our political system rarely punishes politicians for how they vote; so they just keep getting re-elected in their safely gerrymandered district, and then have "experience".

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    Not as much as judgement, particularly since our political system rarely punishes politicians for how they vote; so they just keep getting re-elected in their safely gerrymandered district, and then have "experience".

    My point is that no one knows anything about Obama other than he is good lokking and articulate... Wow he's qualified to be president..

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    How do you know Obama has better judgement than the other 2?
    Hilary voted against her conscience in Iraq, created the HMO mess we live in today (brilliant healthcare plan, Hil), wants a healthcare mandate, and supported NAFTA and is now against it (switching sides; can't have it both ways, Hil).

    For the record, I like NAFTA. I don't think Obama is serious about withdrawing from NAFTA (as evidenced by the Canadian calls he made), and I don't think he would be able to if he tried. The unions that back him aren't against NAFTA. Hilary, on the other hand, is practically bound to do everything possible to withdraw from NAFTA if she wants to win a second term. The unions that support her are very anti-NAFTA.

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    My point is that no one knows anything about Obama other than he is good lokking and articulate... Wow he's qualified to be president..
    We know plenty about Hilary to know she isn't the one we want.

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    Hilary voted against her conscience in Iraq, created the HMO mess we live in today (brilliant healthcare plan, Hil), wants a healthcare mandate, and supported NAFTA and is now against it (switching sides; can't have it both ways, Hil).

    For the record, I like NAFTA. I don't think Obama is serious about withdrawing from NAFTA (as evidenced by the Canadian calls he made), and I don't think he would be able to if he tried. The unions that back him aren't against NAFTA. Hilary, on the other hand, is practically bound to do everything possible to withdraw from NAFTA if she wants to win a second term. The unions that support her are very anti-NAFTA.

    Sort of like me voting against my conscience because Obama's cooler than Mccain..

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    My point is that no one knows anything about Obama other than he is good lokking and articulate... Wow he's qualified to be president..
    That "3 a.m." ad really did a number on you, didn't it?

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    We know plenty about Hilary to know she isn't the one we want.

    Please provide something to back this up? Anything? Please save any baseless claims that can't be backed up.. seriously I hear alot of this about Clinton BUT NOTHING TO BACK IT UP.

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    That "3 a.m." ad really did a number on you, didn't it?

    never saw it. But i certainly get the point.. has some merit don't you think?

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