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    We all knew that it would ultimately come to this point. The moment when Americans would have to decide if they are indeed ready to embark on their exigent journey of reconciliation, forgiveness, and resolution, or sink back into the facileness of the status quo. Reconciliation can only begin with the acknowledgment that something has taken place which remains unresolved, and has been used to divide, and provoke fear and mistrust among Americans. Everyone, with no exceptions, must be willing to forgive and move forward. We must be resolute in resisting the temptation to descend into archaic, baneful patterns of paranoid thought that only serve to make this country weak and incongruous, unable to fulfill it's promise. Together, we must hold those that propagate misinformation as fact accountable to the spirit that is the promise of America. We are better than what this country's limitations have been. And now that we stand before the threshold of change, there is no need to suc b to fear, because we stand united in a cause that is much greater than ourselves. There is a sense of inspiration and hope not seen in a long time in America. It is time for American citizens to rise to the challenge set before us and seize this opportunity that too seldom visits. Then, and only then, can we heal this country and advance into the future with great promise. Vote for change.

    Stop the misinformation and limited cognitivism.

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    hmmm....yes, but what do you do when the enemy is yourself?

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    Somehow, you must summon the strength to overcome or face your fear, bias, hatred, anger, etc. That is truly the measure of a man, and the essence of all human struggle.

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    That's pleasant. So who is this "change" we are supposed to be casting our lot with?

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    There can only be one. You already know of whom I speak.

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    There can only be one. You already know of whom I speak.

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    Senator Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.

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    Somehow, you must summon the strength to overcome or face your fear, bias, hatred, anger, etc. That is truly the measure of a man, and the essence of all human struggle.

    Couldn't you say the same thing about the woman in this race? the bigotry, fear,bias,hatred and anger towards hillary clinton?

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    We all knew that it would ultimately come to this point. The moment when Americans would have to decide if they are indeed ready to embark on their exigent journey of reconciliation, forgiveness, and resolution, or sink back into the facileness of the status quo. Reconciliation can only begin with the acknowledgment that something has taken place which remains unresolved, and has been used to divide, and provoke fear and mistrust among Americans. Everyone, with no exceptions, must be willing to forgive and move forward. We must be resolute in resisting the temptation to descend into archaic, baneful patterns of paranoid thought that only serve to make this country weak and incongruous, unable to fulfill it's promise. Together, we must hold those that propagate misinformation as fact accountable to the spirit that is the promise of America. We are better than what this country's limitations have been. And now that we stand before the threshold of change, there is no need to suc b to fear, because we stand united in a cause that is much greater than ourselves. There is a sense of inspiration and hope not seen in a long time in America. It is time for American citizens to rise to the challenge set before us and seize this opportunity that too seldom visits. Then, and only then, can we heal this country and advance into the future with great promise. Vote for change.

    Stop the misinformation and limited cognitivism.
    Nice lecture but what about those of us who don't think he has enough experience?

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    Nice lecture but what about those of us who don't think he has enough experience?

    hillary.....experience......


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    Experience does not trump judgement. Look up James Buchanan (15th president) and the president that succeeded him Abraham Lincoln and compare their credentials prior to being elected into office. This experience issue is an argument, a campaign strategy that Hillary Clinton uses to promote her pretentious experience.

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    Experience does not trump judgement. Look up James Buchanan (15th president) and the president that succeeded him Abraham Lincoln and compare their credentials prior to being elected into office. This experience issue is an argument, a campaign strategy that Hillary Clinton uses to promote her pretentious experience.

    So this is exclusively a Clinton argument? Or is it a legit concern about a 46 yr old man who has served 2 yrs as a US Senator?

    You mention judgement. What about sticking with a pastor who has made numerous comments that many people find offensive. Could I question his judgement by associating himself with a person like that?


    Now I want to make it clear I don't think Obama should be held accountable for what his preacher says but others may question his decision to stick around as long as he did.

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    We all knew that it would ultimately come to this point. The moment when Americans would have to decide if they are indeed ready to embark on their exigent journey of reconciliation, forgiveness, and resolution, or sink back into the facileness of the status quo. Reconciliation can only begin with the acknowledgment that something has taken place which remains unresolved, and has been used to divide, and provoke fear and mistrust among Americans. Everyone, with no exceptions, must be willing to forgive and move forward. We must be resolute in resisting the temptation to descend into archaic, baneful patterns of paranoid thought that only serve to make this country weak and incongruous, unable to fulfill it's promise. Together, we must hold those that propagate misinformation as fact accountable to the spirit that is the promise of America. We are better than what this country's limitations have been. And now that we stand before the threshold of change, there is no need to suc b to fear, because we stand united in a cause that is much greater than ourselves. There is a sense of inspiration and hope not seen in a long time in America. It is time for American citizens to rise to the challenge set before us and seize this opportunity that too seldom visits. Then, and only then, can we heal this country and advance into the future with great promise. Vote for change.

    Stop the misinformation and limited cognitivism.
    Some have hope that inspiration can bring change.
    Some have inspiration that change can bring hope.
    And some have change that hope will bring inspiration.
    We are inspired and hopeful and changed.
    We need not fear what lies before us.
    For before us lies the future, and the future will change unless it stays the same.
    So we can hope in not fearing, and not fear in hoping.
    If we stay divided, we cannot unite. And if we are not united, then we cannot be one. And if we are not one, then we must be two or three or several. And several is too many! You lose count after a while. My wife tells me not to try to remember more than three things on a shopping list. Any more than that, and she tells me I need to make a list. Heh, heh, she's the organized one, making all the lists. Me, not so much. But if there's only one thing on that list, then I don't need to write it down. I can remember it. It sticks at the forefront of my mind all the way to the store. And that's what America needs to be like.
    You see, we must move forward, because if we are not moving forward, we are either moving backward, or sideways, or sitting still. And it hard to see if you are moving backward, because you have to crane your neck around.
    And we in America are not a people who crane our necks around! We are not a people who rely on our peripheral vision!
    Otherwise, how can we be reconciled to the future of change and hope and forwardness that lies before us? If we are not in the future, then we must be in the present or the past. But we cannot be in the past, because the past is already over. And as soon as we find ourselves in the present, the present is already past, and the future is now the present.
    So we must unite the future with the present, because the future is ever-becoming the present! And if we are not changing and hoping, then as the future is becoming the present, it is not changing but rather staying the same, and the same is the status quo. So without our change and hope and inspiration, to be inspired and hopeful and changing, in order to change and hope and inspire, the future becomes the present, which becomes the past, and the status quo stays the same and does not change!
    For we cannot take the past and make it the future. We cannot change the past. For that would be time travel. But they said, "You cannot change the past; it already happened," but we said, 'Yes, we can!" And then they said, "No, seriously, according to the laws of physics it's impossible," and we said we won't be bound by the shackles of the laws of physics. We said, "Yes, we can." And they said, "Really, I can show you the calculations according to quantum mechanics, you can't do it" and we said that quantum mechanics are the physics of the past. They are the physics of fear and of division. "Yes, we can!"

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    Experience does not trump judgement. Look up James Buchanan (15th president) and the president that succeeded him Abraham Lincoln and compare their credentials prior to being elected into office. This experience issue is an argument, a campaign strategy that Hillary Clinton uses to promote her pretentious experience.
    Judgement?

    Such as, say, attending a church for over twenty years that has a minister that spews hatred from the pulpit.

    Judgement such as getting a guy that's being investigated for fraudulent activities to run your finances?

    Is that the judgement we're talking about here?

    Because, if it is, I'm sure we can do better than that.

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    No it is not. But only Sen. Clinton is running on the merrits of her husband's presidential accomplishments and usurpting them selectively as her own experience. We are all intelligent enough to know that this is not a valid argument to say the least. I am astounded by the way it has become a part of the ethos of this campaign.

    We have to put this into context. This attack on Rev. Wright is really an attack on Sen. Obama, because he has been virtually attackproof. It's like trying to hit a bankshot in pool, only this one is one of those trickshots that never presents itself during the course of a real game. It must be manufactured, much like this controversy.

    Noone attends every church sermon given by their pastor, and noone should be held accountable for what their pastor says during a sermon in church. There is much evidence of others who have said the same and far worse without this much attention given to them. Rev. Wright has said nothing that indicates that he is a racist. While he made some inflamatory comments about 9/11 in a particular sermon, I doubt he made it a staple of his speeches. He is, afterall, a former marine from a time when the armed services had very discriminatory practices and the country was in turmoil and incongruous and unable or unwilling to fulfill it's promise.

    Sen. Obama's father was not around for much of his rearing. Rev. Wright is simply a fatherfigure that said something stupid, in an effort to be provocative. Nothing more, nothing less. That is why Sen. Obama condems the words, not the man. This is part of the complex relationship we have with oneanother, sometimes conflicting, sometimes controversial, but that is a biproduct of our humanity. Surlely, everyone has family members that says something outrageous at one time or another. Does that mean you condemn them and cease loving them? If the answer is yes, I shutter to think about the future.

    Agents of distraction and misinformation will continue to stir derision, but the overriding factor they do not take into account, is the willingness for many to take this issue on and move into the future with optimism and hope, not fear and cowardice.

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    I have never in my life read such garbage in my life. We talking of
    politicians here. And if I take literally what doc first posted, I
    would have to assume he forgives George Bush for all his so
    called mis-deeds and has moved on......give me a break. Please!

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    No it is not. But only Sen. Clinton is running on the merrits of her husband's presidential accomplishments and usurpting them selectively as her own experience. We are all intelligent enough to know that this is not a valid argument to say the least. I am astounded by the way it has become a part of the ethos of this campaign.

    We have to put this into context. This attack on Rev. Wright is really an attack on Sen. Obama, because he has been virtually attackproof. It's like trying to hit a bankshot in pool, only this one is one of those trickshots that never presents itself during the course of a real game. It must be manufactured, much like this controversy.

    Noone attends every church sermon given by their pastor, and noone should be held accountable for what their pastor says during a sermon in church. There is much evidence of others who have said the same and far worse without this much attention given to them. Rev. Wright has said nothing that indicates that he is a racist. While he made some inflamatory comments about 9/11 in a particular sermon, I doubt he made it a staple of his speeches. He is, afterall, a former marine from a time when the armed services had very discriminatory practices and the country was in turmoil and incongruous and unable or unwilling to fulfill it's promise.

    Sen. Obama's father was not around for much of his rearing. Rev. Wright is simply a fatherfigure that said something stupid, in an effort to be provocative. Nothing more, nothing less. That is why Sen. Obama condems the words, not the man. This is part of the complex relationship we have with oneanother, sometimes conflicting, sometimes controversial, but that is a biproduct of our humanity. Surlely, everyone has family members that says something outrageous at one time or another. Does that mean you condemn them and cease loving them? If the answer is yes, I shutter to think about the future.

    Agents of distraction and misinformation will continue to stir derision, but the overriding factor they do not take into account, is the willingness for many to take this issue on and move into the future with optimism and hope, not fear and cowardice.

    First of all, can you prove that Hillary did absolutely nothing during the Clinton administration?

    You won't be able to do that.

    Secondly, if I'm a white guy running for President and I attend a church that has a pastor that says that all ######s are descendents of Noah's "dark" son . . . said son was cursed by Noah and God himself and therefore all "dark" peoples, i.e. "######s", are a cursed people . . . that it should have no negative effect on me because I myself don't believe in what my pastor is saying??

    Do you seriously believe that?

    Seriously?

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    Or, does it only work for Obama?

    His pastor spewed hatred. He never left the church. He knew what his pastor was saying. He never corrected the pastor.

    What does this say about Obama's character?

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    Judgement?

    Such as, say, attending a church for over twenty years that has a minister that spews hatred from the pulpit.

    Judgement such as getting a guy that's being investigated for fraudulent activities to run your finances?

    Is that the judgement we're talking about here?

    Because, if it is, I'm sure we can do better than that.
    On the question of judgement. There is noone that can be absolved from lapses in judgement, this does not reach that threshold. Every politician has the type of skeletons you speak of when it comes to financing; however, Sen. Obama has come to the point where the people, not lobbyists and PACs fund his campaign. BTW, the same Tony Rezco also financed the campaigns of Antonio Villagaigosa one of Sen. Clinton's campaign co-chairs. Also, he has been in the Clinton's circle long before Barack Obama came along(see pix of Tony Rezco w Bill and Hillary).

    By using your kind of reasoning, is it not fair to put them all in the same boat?

    Come and join us in moving beyond this sillyness, and move into the future with heads not bowed, but raised because we just elevated our country by rejecting derision.

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    On the question of judgement. There is noone that can be absolved from lapses in judgement, this does not reach that threshold. Every politician has the type of skeletons you speak of when it comes to financing; however, Sen. Obama has come to the point where the people, not lobbyists and PACs fund his campaign. BTW, the same Tony Rezco also financed the campaigns of Antonio Villagaigosa one of Sen. Clinton's campaign co-chairs. Also, he has been in the Clinton's circle long before Barack Obama came along(see pix of Tony Rezco w Bill and Hillary).

    By using your kind of reasoning, is it not fair to put them all in the same boat?

    Come and join us in moving beyond this sillyness, and move into the future with heads not bowed, but raised because we just elevated our country by rejecting derision.
    I have a picture that I took with Bill Clinton.

    I have a picture that I took with Tom Delay when he came to visit UT-Brownsville and I was in charge of setting up the display for our library.

    I have a picture that I took with Phil Gramm when I was in High School.

    Am I somehow affiliated with them or their politics because I took a picture with them?

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    Eh, he's ok but he's not the Messiah.

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    hillary.....experience......


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    She was the First lady for 8 years. Experience by osmosis.

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    So this is exclusively a Clinton argument? Or is it a legit concern about a 46 yr old man who has served 2 yrs as a US Senator?

    You mention judgement. What about sticking with a pastor who has made numerous comments that many people find offensive. Could I question his judgement by associating himself with a person like that?


    Now I want to make it clear I don't think Obama should be held accountable for what his preacher says but others may question his decision to stick around as long as he did.
    Talk about being full of .

    A Democrat using the same Repub talking points to attack Obama.

    Way to go buddy!

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    Or, does it only work for Obama?

    His pastor spewed hatred. He never left the church. He knew what his pastor was saying. He never corrected the pastor.

    What does this say about Obama's character?
    Bro. You are free in this country to live in ignorance or to pursue information. You obviously like the nebulous grey areas that require little effort, unless you can have it spoonfed to you.

    This is a distraction only in the fact that it is an attempt to reprogram votes, white votes. Honestly, why one would allow the same tricks to furment fear and derision has made this country what is is today.

    Perhaps you should start with these questions. What is the reason/agenda? Why? Why me/us?

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    Democrats don't deserve to win.

    Plain and simple.

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