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    Hillary want's it to happen, someone else doesn't:




    (CNN) – A top Michigan Democrat reports that negotiators working to pass an 11th-hour plan for a re-vote in the state are increasingly frustrated with Barack Obama’s failure to either embrace the plan currently being considered, or propose an alternative.

    Lawmakers are facing mounting pressure this evening to come up with an agreement before the legislature adjourns Thursday for a two-week recess.

    “The Obama people are blocking it in the legislature,” the Democratic source tells CNN, who says that the group has repeatedly and unsuccessfully reached out to the campaign for input and cooperation.

    The source says that Obama’s campaign has been asked to craft an alternative or to meet with the Clinton campaign to work out an acceptable compromise, but that those requests have been met with silence.

    Obama spokesman Bill Burton disputes this account, though the campaign offers no specifics.

    The Clinton campaign has been increasing its criticism of Obama for his failure to back a new primary that would meet national party requirements and allow a full Michigan delegation to be seated at the Democratic convention this summer.

    Wednesday, Hillary Clinton made her first campaign appearance in Michigan this year, challenging Obama directly to back the seating of a full Michigan delegation.

    Clinton won the January Michigan contest with 55 percent of the vote, but was awarded no delegates. She was the only major Democratic candidate to appear on the ballot; 40 percent of the party’s primary voters chose the “uncommitted” option instead.

    Michigan Sen. Carl Levin, who has been a major proponent of a new primary vote, told CNN Wednesday that his group of four unaligned Michigan politicians was hopeful that legislators would vote on the plan this evening or Thursday, which would allow the delegation to be seated “without a floor fight and without a credentials fight.”

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    It is premature and disingenuous to blame Sen. Obama for Sen. Clinton's apparent desperation and her campaign's shortcomings.

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    It is premature and disingenuous to blame Sen. Obama for Sen. Clinton's apparent desperation and her campaign's shortcomings.
    He's the one whose keeping the revote from happening.

    That's not a lie.

    What is he afraid of?

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    He's the one whose keeping the revote from happening.

    That's not a lie.

    What is he afraid of?
    Just as she's the one trying to bankroll the new Michigan primaries to gain an advantage for herself... it's all political posturing. They're both playing the same game.

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    It is premature and disingenuous to blame Sen. Obama for Sen. Clinton's apparent desperation and her campaign's shortcomings.
    Trying to get a primary vote to occur when she thinks she has some momentum is desperation while condoning (desiring) disenfranchisement isn't?

    Nice take.

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    Just as she's the one trying to bankroll the new Michigan primaries to gain an advantage for herself... it's all political posturing. They're both playing the same game.
    But, one of them doesn't want to disenfranchise the voters.

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    these idiots need to take responsibility for what THEY did and what they said would happen. if a brokered convention needs to happen then oh well. like it or lump it.

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    Florida and Michigan should happen, but probably wont.

    Hillary would end up winning the nomination between those two and Penn.

    Our party is a mess right now.

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    Florida and Michigan should happen, but probably wont.

    Hillary would end up winning the nomination between those two and Penn.

    Aaaaaaaand, that's why the Obama campaign is trying to block the revote.

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    I'm not going to argue over who is playing politics here based on some crappy article that uses an unnamed sources that can neither be confirmed or denied.

    But I would love, is a breakdown of delegates from the remaining states and how a plausible scenario in these 2 states would give Hilary the win. I just want some numbers here from the remaining pledged and super delegates showing me how Hilary can win.

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    But I would love, is a breakdown of delegates from the remaining states and how a plausible scenario in these 2 states would give Hilary the win
    There is none - even if they included the FL primary - Obama still wins the popular vote and delegate count - no way they can count Michigan because Obama wasn't on the ballot - per DNC instructions

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    There is none - even if they included the FL primary - Obama still wins the popular vote and delegate count - no way they can count Michigan because Obama wasn't on the ballot - per DNC instructions
    Aaaaaaand, that's why everyone but Obama wants a revote.

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    Aaaaaaand, that's why everyone but Obama wants a revote.
    If it were up to Obama then maybe your argument would make sense, but it's not - there are many reasons why a revote won't likely happen - none of which have even the slightest to do with either of the primary candidates....

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    If it were up to Obama then maybe your argument would make sense, but it's not - there are many reasons why a revote won't likely happen - none of which have even the slightest to do with either of the primary candidates....
    Read the damn article.

    He's the one holding it up!!
    Everyone else has already agreed to move on with it.

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    But, one of them doesn't want to disenfranchise the voters.
    Correction, one of them didn't want to disenfranchise voters until she was behind.

    Hilary saying the MI primary won't count

    She is only playing this card now because she needs the delegates. Don't give into the thought that she is standing up for voters right to be heard. She wants to get elected. If their roles were reversed it would probably be the other way around.
    This situation isn't Hilary or Obama's fault, it is the elected officials of MI and FL. I understand they didn't think it was fair to let some states have their primaries first, but they knew the risk involved with moving their primaries up. It is ridiculous to take a gamble and then cry foul when it doens't pay off in your favor.
    I don't get to bet you $50 that I can make a shot from half court and then try and get out of it after I miss because it wasn't a fair bet.
    They do have a point about the primaries that I agree with, but they knew that they would be causing their states their delegates seats before they did it and they did it anyway. A revote just makes a mockery of the rules.

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    Read the damn article.

    He's the one holding it up!!
    Everyone else has already agreed to move on with it.
    How do you figure? Any thing he proposes will then be turned against him. Nothing proposed is fair to him. Any proposal he makes will then be spun as him trying to get the upper hand. His best move is not to play.

    The only fair way to award the delegates is to revote, or use a time machine and put the state in play.

    Did you know one proposal was to award half the delegates by the percentages, then split the other half evenly? Hillary wins on all proposals. The only fair way I see is to assume half the other candidate supported didn't vote. Therefore, double the uncommitted voter numbers and award Obama a similar split he had verses the other candidates.

    However, how many people agree that would be fair.

    Without a complete revote with these two on the ballot, and time for them BOTH to campaign, there is no fair way that will not be disputed.

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    How do you figure? Any thing he proposes will then be turned against him. Nothing proposed is fair to him. Any proposal he makes will then be spun as him trying to get the upper hand. His best move is not to play.

    The only fair way to award the delegates is to revote, or use a time machine and put the state in play.

    Did you know one proposal was to award half the delegates by the percentages, then split the other half evenly? Hillary wins on all proposals. The only fair way I see is to assume half the other candidate supported didn't vote. Therefore, double the uncommitted voter numbers and award Obama a similar split he had verses the other candidates.

    However, how many people agree that would be fair.

    Without a complete revote with these two on the ballot, and time for them BOTH to campaign, there is no fair way that will not be disputed.
    They have offered him a revote, even including those Democrats that voted in the Republican Primary.

    But, he won't budge.

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    They have offered him a revote, even including those Democrats that voted in the Republican Primary.

    But, he won't budge.
    so it's all up to him? nope.

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    so it's all up to him? nope.
    All he has to do is say "yes".

    Do you want me to draw it out for you?

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    Obama supporters: Hillary is the devil

    Hillary supporters: No! Obama is the devil.

    In the meantime, McCain is up on the polls big time.

    Pathetic!

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    Obama supporters: Hillary is the devil

    Hillary supporters: No! Obama is the devil.

    In the meantime, McCain is up on the polls big time.

    Pathetic!
    So?

    Vote for McCain.

    What the do you care?

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    They have offered him a revote, even including those Democrats that voted in the Republican Primary.

    But, he won't budge.
    Why is it up to him? I see it as being between the DNC and the state.

    Now there is that point to consider. Without all the same candidates running, the vote will be skewed. Then there is the after fact of new problems for Obama that were not there before.

    I just love it. The democrats always complain about disenfranchised voters, but it is them who are always doing it.

    Considering it is a party election process, after all consideration, I see Obama as being right. There should be no revote, and no delegates from the two states seated.

    They agreed to those terms at the start and must abide by them.

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    Obama supporters: Hillary is the devil

    Hillary supporters: No! Obama is the devil.

    In the meantime, McCain is up on the polls big time.

    Pathetic!
    Its not nearly that simple, but what would you have Obama do? Give up the contest that he literally has wrapped up?

    The question for pee wee still stands, play out numericaly through delegates exactly how Clinton could win this race and include a Michigan primary if you'd like.

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    Why is it up to him? I see it as being between the DNC and the state.

    Now there is that point to consider. Without all the same candidates running, the vote will be skewed. Then there is the after fact of new problems for Obama that were not there before.

    I just love it. The democrats always complain about disenfranchised voters, but it is them who are always doing it.

    Considering it is a party election process, after all consideration, I see Obama as being right. There should be no revote, and no delegates from the two states seated.

    They agreed to those terms at the start and must abide by them.

    You're not getting it.

    The DNC and the state have already agreed on a revote.

    Obama is blocking it.

    This race is between himself and Hillary.
    Those are the choices for the revote.

    What's the problem here?

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    Its not nearly that simple, but what would you have Obama do? Give up the contest that he literally has wrapped up?

    The question for pee wee still stands, play out numericaly through delegates exactly how Clinton could win this race and include a Michigan primary if you'd like.
    I don't have those numbers.

    If you have them, share with us.

    However, niether candidate will have enough elected delegates to win the nomination.

    It's still up to the Super Delegates, as I've stated over and over before.

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