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The two that they showed last night were just tight calls. Legit.
One was jumping into the defender while putting up his shot.
One was an inadvertent elbow to the defender's jaw.
Were these just totally bogus calls? Is the NBA cracking down on this stuff(drawing fouls on up fakes)?
The double technical against Manu in the Utah game also bothered me.
The two that they showed last night were just tight calls. Legit.
One was jumping into the defender while putting up his shot.
One was an inadvertent elbow to the defender's jaw.
I think they were legit calls last night, but I think you could quarrel with them a bit. The first play looked more like a no-call to me than anything else, but I could understand why the foul was called. I thought the second was a bit more curious, only because Bob Delaney signalled the foul and began walking to the scorer's table, and only after a couple of steps, changed the call to an offensive foul. The homer in me saw incidental contact, but the objectivist saw shades of an elbow.
Offensive fouls are part of Manu's style of play -- I think he would be well-served to avoid that jumping into the defender call, but since it's part of how he plays the game, and since he's generally so effective in an overall sense, I think he's permitted a bit more leeway.
Pop looked at Delaney and told him Good Call after he saw the replay if that tells you anything.
Caught that sitting there at the game, doubt that was on TV.
Yea its a little bothersome to see Manu pick up extra turnovers/off fouls.
Sometimes he has been effective with drawing fouls by waiting for the defender to come in contact with him on the perimeter, but sometimes he also has not been too efficient with it.
I was at the game too. I don't know about either of them still. If that is offensive then Reggie Miller and Kobe should not be allowed that. How many times in the past has Stockton thrown himself into someone for a call?
Shades of an elbow? He jumped up beside the defender, stuck his elbow out and cracked him... shades of an elbow? please...
You just answered your own question.I was at the game too. I don't know about either of them still. If that is offensive then Reggie Miller and Kobe should not be allowed that. How many times in the past has Stockton thrown himself into someone for a call?
They are Miller and Kobe, and Manu is just a regular NBA player.
That simple.
Miller is not that special, especially not now. I guess those two calls got me because Manu has almost always gotten them before. Was it the Utah or Indiana game that he was run over by the offensive player like 3 times and they called it blocking.
Manu plays out of control...he is awkward and will get those calls from time to time.
Miller is still a super star, and still gets the calls.
Look at the game here in SA when they were here,
he grabs the defender's arm and flings his hands up in the air, and the refs think hes being held.
I was talking about the foul where he hit Redd? in the face when he went up for the basket, not the one where he got the defender up in the air and then got called for the offensive.
On the offensive foul where he got the defender up in the air, it looked like he went pretty much straight up to me. The official was using an elbow motion when explaining the call to Manu, but on the replay you can see that manu's Elbow was close into his body.
The worst call of the whole game was the charge call on TD when he had the breakaway. The defender had both hands out away from his body pushing into Tim.
TD got PISSED, and really took it out on the ref during the next timeout.
"defender had both hands out away from his body pushing into Tim."
from the replay I saw, the guy what there first, waiting, had his feet set, outside of the restricted arc, Tim's body hit his body, what do the defender's hands have to do with it?
Well, putting his hands out HE initiated the contact, not Tim.
This is the bull at ude that has lessened the popularity of the NBA game. The rules should apply to all players equally, to employ a star system degrades the integrity of the game.
I think the refs got tired of being faked by manu's acting.
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