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Oh Lord, I don't want to go through another 38 pages of showing Houston was a great 3pt shooting team.
hey bobby joe..
Oh Lord, I don't want to go through another 38 pages of showing Houston was a great 3pt shooting team.
lol excactly
2005 forum
based on this..
robert horry > kobe, jordan, and pippen cause he has more rings
Duncan was already better than Hakeem after the 2003 ring.
Hakeem wishes he could've had a career like Duncan's.
And, Timmy's not even done yet.
Tim Duncan, better overall player.
Hakeem Olajuwon, better individual talent.
Francisco Elson>Patrick Ewing
Olajuwon had about three or four superstar seasons. Other than that he wasn't much better than Patrick Ewing.
Oh and Olajuwon's best seasons came when he was older than Duncan is now
Duncan maximized his potential for much longer than Hakeem did. 4 rings to 2. Can't argue that.
OH C'mon Olajuwan is just too quick. The way he schooled Robinson in 1995 he would have schooled Duncan the same way.
rings:
Duncan 4, Hakeem 2
MVPs:
Duncan 2, Hakeem 1
Finals MVPs:
Duncan 3, Hakeem 2
1st Team, All-NBA
Duncan 9, Hakeem 6
They were about equal in physical talent, but Duncan was a better team player.
Hakeem won his rings at ages 31 and 32, followed by Jordan at ages 33, 34, and 35.
Duncan is 31, so he can lead the Spurs to some more rings.
Dallas and Phoenix are on the way down for next year because of dumb trades for old people. Houston has injury prone stars. No team with Lamar Odom starting will ever win an NBA le.
We've been over this again and again.
Hakeem's prime > Duncan's prime
Duncan's career and overall body of work > Haeem's career and overall body of work
The comparison of players by rings and championships is total crap. Otherwise you'd rate Reggie Miller and Kevin Garnett as nobodies. Yet you'd kiill to have them on your team. Over a career, you need to look at a players overall statistics and in head to head match ups if available and against other players they both played against.
To be honest, I've watched a lot of tape of Duncan, Robinson, Hakeem, Shaq, and Kareem. Shaq was unstoppable because he was just to big and quick. His entire game was based on power. Duncan has good foot work and very good fundamentals. Robinson had a very good but not exceptional offensive game. Kareem was unstoppable with that sky hook of his. But Hakeem. The guy just juked Robinson out of his shorts in head to head play.
I don't think that Duncan would be able to keep up with Hakeem head to head. Hakeem had so many fakes, fadeaways, spin moves, and a great first step dribble drive. Hakeem's game was fluid, and based on misdirection and speed. Hakeem could create spacing on anyone and get his shot off. The Big Fundamental would have been juked out of his shorts too.
I watched Hakeem all the time on TV. He was my favorite player before Duncan came along.
Before the fall of 1992 when Rudy T came on board, Akeem was just a great talent with great stats, he was not a great team player. Akeem was elite from 92/93 until 94/95, then slowly started to fade.
Duncan was a great team player out of the box. Duncan's bank shot jumper is just as unguardable as the dream shake or the sky hook.
Akeem was just as talanted as Jordan, maybe more talented. But Jordan became a great team player in 88/89, four years before Akeem did.
I do not buy the argument that Akeem was more talented than Duncan, when comparing them at the same age.
I saw Duncan come into the league in '97. By '99 he was already better than Shaq, who had a five year head start. Duncan could guard Shaq by simply keeping him away from the basket most of the time. That is how Duncan would guard Akeem. He would also not go for all Akeems shakes, Duncan is unique in history, besides Bill Russell, in that he does not go for pump fakes.
Duncan also has a degree in psychology. I bet Duncan could freak Akeem out in the head and make him flip.
In a game of 1-on-1 in their primes, Hakeem wins.
But if you asked me who I would take at the beginning of their careers to start my NBA franchise with? I'll take Duncan.
Hakeem had better individual talents across the board. Duncan was a slightly better team player. The thing that separates the 2 is number of peak years. As TimvP said, Hakeem was at his peak for about 5 years max. Duncan has been a top 3 player in the League ever since his rookie year (except for the 2006 regular season, when he had Plantar Fasciitis).
It's close, but Duncan has had the better career and he's not done yet.
Another advantage for Duncan is foul management. Duncan hardly ever has to sit down because of fouls, unlike Hakeem. Neither team was all that great without their big men.
Duncan does not risk stupid fouls by going for too many blocks. If you take the ratio of blocks per foul in the playoffs, Duncan is .89 and Hakeem is .84
Duncan does not waste his energy with dozens of pump fakes and shakes like Akeem. You may get a bucket and make the highlight real, but it takes its toll on your overall effectiveness.
Why does townSpur always make this thread? He leaves for 3-4 months comes back and makes Duncan > Hakeem thread.
Rings are won by teams.
The comparison is between two individual players.
You can argue that Tim has had more team success and championship success.
I can argue that Hakeem was the better individual talent.
One spot for centers in an era where he battled Kareem Abdul Jabbar at first, then Patrick Ewing and David Robinson for the le of premier center each year.
Two spots for forwards.
KG may have taken a few of those 1st team honors, 2000, 2003, 2004 when both Duncan and KG were 1st Team, All-NBA as forwards.
They weren't...they had a bunch of chuckers who benefitted from Hakeem.
When Duncan played, all the good centers were power forwards, and even a player like Lebron, who's really a guard, is considered a forward.
Why are all you morons talking about Duncan in the past tense, as if he's retired or something??
Do you idiots realize he's still playing?
Damn, peoples IQs plummet just by reading this.
Sleepy Floyd scored 51 points in a playoff game once.
Sleepy Floyd's prime > Tracy McGrady's prime.
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