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Lebron is the MVP
Lebron is the MVP
Its Kobe this year.
You can't be MVP when you are 41-33 in the EAST. We're talking about the East here and he doesn't even have 50 wins yet. Bring that weak S*$! to the West and Lebron's sitting in the 10th spot in the West.
, Kobe took Smush Parker and and Kwame Brown and the All ScrubStar Team to the Playoffs in the West last year with a similar record.
Kobe will win if they stay a top 3 seed...Lakers have been missing 2 starters, Kobe has a torn pinkie and they are still in the running for #1 WC seed.
CP3 might win if Hornets get #1 seed in the West.
KG can't win because of Paul Pierce.
Don't get me wrong, LeBron is an awesome player but he won't win MVP until his team wins at least 55 games in the East.
Last edited by Allanon; 04-01-2008 at 06:50 PM.
Kobe.
Kobe always has had talent around him. The lakers are loaded now. Even when they barely made the playoffs he had talent. Caron Butler and Odom. Now he has Gasol, Bynum, Odom, and Fisher.He isn't the MVP.
Kobe has always had talent???
HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH. That statement doesn't even warrant a response. You sir are a moron.
past 2 seasons:
when smushy was on the team?
when Luke walton looked like a great player only because of the crap around him?
brian "i can't dribble or play defense or move" cook
Kwame "i can't catch, and i miss easy putbacks" Brown
Kobe always had talent? I said it was the AllScrubTeam last year 2006-2007:Kobe always has had talent around him. The lakers are loaded now. Even when they barely made the playoffs he had talent. Caron Butler and Odom. Now he has Gasol, Bynum, Odom, and Fisher.
Guard: Smush Parker
SForward: Luke Walton
PForward: Lamar Odom
Center: Kwame Brown
Look at that, you have 3 Starters who would have a hard time getting off the bench on most NBA teams.
Bench
OK Bench Players: Ronny, 1 foul per minute, Mo Evans was OK
All of these Bench guys sucked: Jordan Farmar, Vujacic, Brian Cook, Aaron Mckie, Von Wafer, Devin Green, Shammond Williams, Radmonovic, Chris Mihm, Bynum
Last year's Laker Playoff team was FAR WORSE than LeBron's team this year and they still have a similar record.
Kobe or Chris Paul. Either one.
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Kobe has better talent surrounding him than Lebron. That is obvious. Does that count for anything? The thing that is so attractive about Lebron is that he is a far better team player than Kobe. Besides the Cavs have suffered injuries this year too.
In the past, I agree that LeBron's been a better team player than Kobe but not this year. Whereas Kobe has become a much better team player, LeBron has reverted a bit to a one man show. Add to that, LeBron's team this year is better than Kobe's team last year so there's no excuse for not having a better record than they currently have in a weak East.
And probably THE reason Kobe gets MVP over LeBron? LeBron sat out something like 7 games watching his team lose with just a mildly sprained hand. Kobe has a torn pinkie on his shooting hand but put off surgery just to ensure that his team keeps winning. That's MVP legend kind of stuff.
Kobe's MVP is practically locked up, only thing that might stop him would be CP3 getting the #1 seed in the West.
Last edited by Allanon; 04-02-2008 at 01:26 AM.
HAHAH...KOBE ALWAYS HAD TALENT...WTF
Smush Parker
Kobe Bryant
Luke Walton
Lamar Odom
Kwame Brown
Chris Paul would get my vote, if my vote mattered.
1. Chris Paul
2. LeBron
3. Kobe
LeBron's situation is different than Kobe the last couple of years. Kobe was criticized for shooting too much and hurting his team in the grand scheme of things.
No one can say that about LeBron. What more could you ask from a player than to get 30, 8, and 7. Not to metion he shoots a better percentage than Kobe and has a lesser turnover rate.
I only pick Paul over LeBron considering the remarkable season the Hornets have had in such a compe ive conference and how much he's directly responsible. Leads the league in assists and steals and still manages to score 20 points a game.
Whats the argument for Kobe? He scored 81 points a couple of years ago so he deserves one now?
kobe
If Kobe didn't shoot the ball last year, who do you think should shoot it? Kwame Brown? Smush Parker? Von Wafer? Luke Walton? Chris Mihm? Rony Turiaf? Lamar Odom who misses 1 foot layups? Devin Green? Sasha couldn't make a shot to save his life, Farmar was still a rookie.
Look at their shooting percentages that year, that was a terrible team on offense. I'd rather see Kobe jack up 30 shots than see Luke Walton shooting threes, Kwame fumbling passes, Odom missing point blank layups.
He plays in the East, come to the West and see if he can average those numbers and fg%.No one can say that about LeBron. What more could you ask from a player than to get 30, 8, and 7. Not to metion he shoots a better percentage than Kobe and has a lesser turnover rate.
In the East, it's impossible for LeBron to win MVP with less than 50 wins. If he hadn't sat out all those games with a mild hand sprain, he'd have a chance at 50.I only pick Paul over LeBron considering the remarkable season the Hornets have had in such a compe ive conference and how much he's directly responsible. Leads the league in assists and steals and still manages to score 20 points a game.
CP3 has not faced adversity this year. His entire team has been relatively healthy. The starting 5 is about as talented as any other elite starting 5. There were no long term injuries to key players. As such, if they continue on and win out the West, Paul has about a 35% chance of winning MVP.
Lakers will win about 55+ gamesWhats the argument for Kobe? He scored 81 points a couple of years ago so he deserves one now?
Lakers have a great shot at #1 in the West with an easy remaining schedule
Lakers have been playing without 2 Starters and are only 1.5 games behind #1 in a compe ive West. Not scrub starters either, the #2 options This is an incredible feat...how many teams can still be at the top of the West with 2 starters out? Take Duncan off the Spurs for 20 days and TP for 2 months and see where they'd be. Or CP3 without Chandler for 2 months and Peja for 20 days. Or KG and Ray Allen off the Celtics...oh wait, we already know what that's like.
All Kobe's teammates are having career years because Kobe's trusting them and giving them open looks. He passes the "makes teammates better" test this year with flying colors.
Kobe only has to remain a top 3 seed to win the MVP but my gut feeling is that the Lakers will take #1 in the West with Hornets dropping to #3 or #5.
Last edited by Allanon; 04-02-2008 at 02:09 PM.
Hey, Lakeshow, that picture needs to show a girl in a costume representing Paula Abdul as a Laker legend, her name hangs in the rafters with the other greats.
FYI, Duncan was out for about 2 weeks, and Parker was out twice this year, the first time while Duncan was also out, and the second time recently. Manu was also out for a week or two (I can't recall how long right now).
So basically, to answer your question, we would be number 2 in the west, 1 game behind NO, and above the Lakers.
Theres a LOT of stuff there, so Im just going to address a couple.If Kobe didn't shoot the ball last year, who do you think should shoot it? Kwame Brown? Smush Parker? Von Wafer? Luke Walton? Chris Mihm? Rony Turiaf? Lamar Odom who misses 1 foot layups? Devin Green? Sasha couldn't make a shot to save his life, Farmar was still a rookie.
Look at their shooting percentages that year, that was a terrible team on offense. I'd rather see Kobe jack up 30 shots than see Luke Walton shooting threes, Kwame fumbling passes, Odom missing point blank layups.
He plays in the East, come to the West and see if he can average those numbers and fg%.
In the East, it's impossible for LeBron to win MVP with less than 50 wins. If he hadn't sat out all those games with a mild hand sprain, he'd have a chance at 50.
CP3 has not faced adversity this year. His entire team has been relatively healthy. The starting 5 is about as talented as any other elite starting 5. There were no long term injuries to key players. As such, if they continue on and win out the West, Paul has about a 35% chance of winning MVP.
Lakers will win about 55+ games
Lakers have a great shot at #1 in the West with an easy remaining schedule
Lakers have been playing without 2 Starters and are only 1.5 games behind #1 in a compe ive West. Not scrub starters either, the #2 options This is an incredible feat...how many teams can still be at the top of the West with 2 starters out? Take Duncan off the Spurs for 20 days and TP for 2 months and see where they'd be. Or CP3 without Chandler for 2 months and Peja for 20 days. Or KG and Ray Allen off the Celtics...oh wait, we already know what that's like
All Kobe's teammates are having career years because Kobe's trusting them and giving them open looks. He passes the "makes teammates better" test this year with flying colors.
Kobe only has to remain a top 3 seed to win the MVP but my gut feeling is that the Lakers will take #1 in the West with Hornets dropping to #3 or #5.
1. Which Lakers are having career years? Is Odom having a career year? Walton? Radman? Kwame Brown?
The only players that are having "career" years are Bynum, Sasha and Farmar which is what usually happens when young players start to mature. Its not as if Kobe is turning around the careers of players or bringing veterans to new heights.
2. Has Kobe carried the team on his back while other players have been out.
Have the Lakers over-achieved when Gasol and Bynum have been out?
The truth is the Lakers have been mediocre without Gasol and Bynum. Nash carried the Suns without Amare two years ago.
3. I would agree that the Hornets haven't had as many injuries as the Lakers, but that doesn't mean that Paul hasn't done a better job at helping his team win than Kobe.
4. Most of your "if LeBron was in the west" stuff is completely hypothetical and not worth arguing over. The fact is that LeBron has outperformed Kobe this year.
Last edited by Gino; 04-02-2008 at 03:01 PM.
1. Agreed.
2. Agreed.
3. Agreed.
4. Agreed.
Duncan has only missed 4 games this year. Tony 13 games. = 17 games total
So maybe the Spurs had 2-3 games without 2 of their starters.
Pau has missed missed 10 games. Bynum has missed about 40 games = 50 games between them two.
It's not even close in comparison so that really doesn't answer the question.
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Gino, you bring up some good points, I had to look up the answers:
Odom Yes. He's shooting his best percentages of his career 51% and he's one of the league rebounding leaders. And his turnovers are the lowest they've ever been. Odom this year is playing the best basketball he has ever played.1. Which Lakers are having career years? Is Odom having a career year? Walton? Radman? Kwame Brown?
Luke, No. But at the same time, Luke is no longer a starter. Coming from the bench, this is his second best career year. His best year was as a starter...so it's hard to compare if he WAS a starter, would he have a career year.
Radman. Yes. He's shooting at the highest FG% of his career, 45%. For the last 1-2 months, Rad's been playing some very good basketball. If you extrapolate and project his lower minutes, he's having a career year.
Fisher, yes. Let's add in Derek Fisher for good measure. Fisher is straight up playing the best he's EVER played in all his years as a Laker.
Kwame. Kwame is not a Laker.
Young players usually do NOT mature. Most NBA draft picks flame out and are out of the NBA in 3-4 years. Kobe as a leader can take credit for making sure that Bynum, Sasha and Farmar matured. Look around the NBA, how many draft picks actually mature into quality NBA players? It's no coincidence that all 3 of these guys are Kobe's teammates. Add in Ronny Turiaf too...he was only an energizer bunny before but Kobe's constant open post feeds to him is giving Ronny a career year too.
Agreed...CP3's done a fine job and that's why I consider him #2 in the MVP race. He just didn't deal with adversity which Kobe did so that gives Kobe the edge in this area.3. I would agree that the Hornets haven't had as many injuries as the Lakers, but that doesn't mean that Paul hasn't done a better job at helping his team win than Kobe.
It's not hypothetical. Let's forget for a second that most of the East sucks so let's take the records at face value. Just do a simple team swap East to West. #9 Warriors would be #3 in the East and Lebron #4 in the East would be at home watching the Playoffs from his couch if he were in the West. Gaudy numbers or not, LeBron is not winning as many games as Kobe or CP3. He's only winning as many games as Kobe did last year and Kobe had the worst WC Playoff team I've ever seen.4. Most of your "if LeBron was in the west" stuff is completely hypothetical and not worth arguing over. The fact is that LeBron has outperformed Kobe this year.
Yes, just look at their record, they're still floating at the top. Mediocre? Nah, they lost to bad teams...but they beat most of the Playoff teams. Since Pau went out, Houston and Warriors are the only 2 Playoff teams that beat them.Has Kobe carried the team while Pau and Bynum were out
Losing to bad teams has always been a Laker habit for some strange reason.
Last edited by Allanon; 04-02-2008 at 03:48 PM.
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