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i think the next spurs win or GS loss...
Lakers beat Dallas today. So now the Lakers record is 52-24. All the articles are saying that now the Lakers have clinched a playoff spot. However, the Spurs record is the same, 52-24. Yet, there are no articles saying that they have clinched a playoff spot yet. Also, I checked, both teams have the same number of games coming up.
So when do the Spurs officially clinch a spot?
i think the next spurs win or GS loss...
if they would've won today, they were in, but no, they got blown out by a better team.
Oh, ok. Thanks for the info. I'm still a bit confused though about how Lakers/Spurs can have the exact same record, with one clinching the spot already...and the other one, not yet...
Cuz the league sucks Laker , lol jk, I asked the same question in the Spurs/Jazz game-thread, I dont understand it either.
then why all the crying and whining?
Just do the math:
Lakers and Spurs stand at 52-24 and Warriors stand at 46-30, all have 6 games left.
So, if Lakers or Spurs lose all their remaining games (the canīt do it both, because they face each other) and GS wins all 6, the records are the same.
If -and that`s a very big if- that would happpen, you must take a look at the tie-breakers:
Spurs and Lakers both split their season series with the Warriors 2-2, so this tie-breaker is tied too.
But the second tie-breaker is the record against WC-teams, IIRC.
Lakers stand at 32-14, Spurs at 29-17 and Warriors at 26-20.
All games left for those three are against other Western teams, so GS could also tie up with the Lakers in this catagory, but not with the Spurs!
Because for this tie-breaker to be considered, GS has to win all 6 remaining, and the Spurs would have to loose all 6, and then, the Warriors would win this tiebreaker and catch the Spurs...
So you see, there is a little difference between the Lakers and Spurs, and maybe LA and GS playing in the same division has something to do with it too.
I don`t know exactly how this tie-breaker-stuff continues, I guess with the division record and the home record...
But all this wonīt happen anyways, so who really cares!
And maybe there is still somthing wrong, because YAHOO changed their standings, Lakers are not clinched any more:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/standings
The Lakers are clinched....the 2nd tiebreaker is division. Lakers and GSW are in the same division so the Lakers get the automatic tiebreaker since they have a better division record. GSW can't tie with the Lakers and get a Playoff spot, they must have a better record but that is now mathematically impossible.
For the Spurs, they still have the mathematical possibility to have the exact same record as the Warriors. It would come down to tiebreakers.
GSW owns the first tiebreaker...head to head so they would be in, Spurs would be out.
"Magic Number" of 1. Spurs win or GSW loss clinches it for the Spurs.
But like Flavak says, it doesn't matter because Spurs are going to win at least 1 more game even with their eyes closed.
No if nuggets lost spurs clinch a spot
Nuggets can still get a division leader spot and automatic top 4 seed in the Playoffs.
How do they affect the Spurs clinching a playoff spot?
What if Denver or Utah led the division with 9th best record. How would that work out?
Denver or Utah could be leading the NorthWest division from the 10th best record and one of them would still get into the Playoffs.
Every Division Winner gets a top 4 spot in the Playoffs no matter how bad they suck
Last edited by Allanon; 04-05-2008 at 12:53 PM.
Spurs clinched a spot last night thanks to Denver losing.
Your reasoning is wrong.
It's possible than more than two teams are tied with the same record.
I don't know if Lakers have clinched or not but it's more complicate than that.
What are you talking about?
The Spurs clinched a spot last night in the playoffs because Denver lost. How do I know, I saw it on ESPN.
No, it's as simple as that.
Right now, both teams can still end up with identical season records leading to a tie. 1 team makes it, one team doesn't.
#1 Tiebreaker is Head to head - the series is Even 2-2
#2 Tiebreaker is Division if the 2 teams are in the same divisions
Lakers 9-4
Warriors 8-5
That's it, Lakers own the tiebreaker so they've clinched a Playoff spot.
You can read about the tiebreakers here:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/playoff_picture.html
LMAO Nevermind I'm wrong, I misread the thing on ESPN: it said Spurs will clinch playoff berth with a Denver Loss TODAY. my bad I didn't see it right.
No and No
@Allanon: Division Records: Lakers 9-4, Warriors 8-5. So, in theory the Warriors can still catch the Lakers, because both have some games against division-rivals left!
So YAHOO is right, Lakers are not chlinched yet!!!
@E20: Denver has won its last game... And this whole Clinching-Discussion is about the current 9th seed GS catching Lakers or Spurs!
And because of everything said about those three teams records, Lakers and Spurs have not clinched a spot in the playoffs YET.
Are you smoking Crack? Denver hasn't played a game since Tuesday, and they won that one against the sunsThe Spurs clinched a spot last night in the playoffs because Denver lost. How do I know, I saw it on ESPN.
I know SPurs haven't clinched, I misread the footer on ESPN, it said with a DEN loss tonight SPurs can clinch Playoff spot.
No, that's no simple as that.
If a third team end up with the same record (52-30), the tiebreaker between Warriors and Lakers is meaningless.
And Lakers haven't even clinched the tie-breaker over GS as FlAVaK said.
It's possible that Lakers have clinched but your reasoning is wrong.
No, you are wrong and Yahoo as usual is wrong in their stats. Check out ESPN and NBA and you'll see. Here's how it breaks down.
Lakers have 3 left with the division
Warriors have 3 left with the division
Lakers against division 7-2
Warriors against division 6-3
Lakers worst = 7-5 71% win record
GSW best = 6-6 50% win record
Lakers have clinched the a Playoff spot and have pretty much clinched the Division...it will be hard for Suns to catch up
Last edited by Allanon; 04-05-2008 at 01:56 PM.
Flavak is wrong...see my above post.
And the Lakers are clinched because they own the tiebreaker with the Warriors, no other team affects their Playoff possibility...it now comes down to seeding within the Playoffs, that's it.
Whether or not the Nuggets, Rockets, or Mavericks win or lose now, it doesn't affect the Lakers chances to be in the playoffs. GSW was the only one.
Right now, both the Warriors and Lakers can end up 52-30. So it's a tiebreaker situation
There's nothing magical about it.
1) Head to head - Both teams are 2-2 so ignore this rule
2) Against Division - Impossible for Warriors to have a better record against division, so FAIL right here.
That's it.
Last edited by Allanon; 04-05-2008 at 02:07 PM.
Allanon is right I believe. The Lakers own the tiebreaker against the Warriors. So if the Warriors win the rest of their games and the Lakers lose the rest of their games, they will be tied at 52-30. The Lakers own the tiebreaker so they will get in the playoffs. That's why they clinched last night.
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