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Flame bait....I thought RG was above this but I guess not....
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The ranting and raving of someone who wasted a year of his life being sucked into the lies, distortions, and misrepresentations of the 9/11 Truth Movement. NOW UPDATED DAILY! See how it all began:
My name is Mike Metzger, MikeyMetz for short, co-founder of 9/11 Truth UAlbany. I will not go on about my past accomplishments in the "truth" movement, but I invite you to check out the official site and our stuff on GoogleVideo if you're that interested in my background.
I figure the best way to start this all out is by reposting a Facebook note that explains my "sudden change of heart" to anyone who was interested.
Change of Heart?
I might be thinking too much of myself, but I'm sure some of you are already jumping to conclusions over my apparent "change of heart." I can hear it already. "Mikey stopped smoking pot, and now he's ultra-conservative all of sudden." Or, how about "Mikey's in girlfriend changed him overnight."
If there's anyone who simplified my situation using one of these rationalizations immediately upon observing the obvious changes in my profile, I don't think it's too outrageous to claim that you're one who quickly jumps to conclusions. I don't mean to offend anyone (although, I know I am), but I think that statement is rather representative of the entire 9/11 Truth Movement.
My "change of heart" didn't happen overnight. This has been a process that has been eating away at me for the past month and a half. I wanted to act strategically as far as "coming out" as a means to perhaps transition the 9/11 Truth group on campus to one that was less focused on strictly 9/11-related issues (aka more truthful ones). However, I was exposed to something that truly angered me deep down in the wee hours of this morning, which I'll get to later. I was so outraged that I can no longer keep my mouth shut.
For whatever reasons at the time, I no-showed the 8/11 truth action our group was doing in Albany. Instead, I watched a movie called Screw Loose Change. I expected it to point out a few corrections in some minor details of the film. To my surprise, it contested just about every claim in the entire movie. I was a bit shocked.
I was a true believer of all this controlled demolition nonsense for a time. I never cared about the physics or the claims of pseudo-"experts." What always did it for me was the fact that there was never a decent response to any of these questions by the government. Even the hit pieces you'd see on 9/11 were always personal attacks. The mainstream never contested the actual "facts" movies like Loose Change presented.
Or so it seemed. After watching Screw Loose Change, I delved into the world of 9/11 Truth debunking. Among my favorites are the Screw Loose Change Blog and 9/11 Myths Finally, someone was answered all these pertinent questions with something that was a bit foreign to me... facts agreed upon by the experts.
There are no facts in the 9/11 Truth Movement. Just a lot of theories, which eventually break down to "hey, we're just asking questions" if someone questions the validity of such. No structural, civil, or any engineers agree with the truthers. Yet, most of my friends will try to explain the hard physics involved in structural collapses. None of these people are engineers, physicists, or even in a scientific field, for that matter. Someone's supposed to take their word over an expert's?
The truthers will just tell you that all the experts are "in on it." Yeah, sure. Every engineer in the world is complicit in the government's murder of 3,000 people. And so are the firemen, who apparently ordered Larry Silverstein to "pull" Building 7. The truthers' misrepresentation of Silverstein's quote is one of the most popular "facts" to spit out, but in doing so, you are effectively in agreement that firefighters were not only involved in the controlled demolition of WTC7, but they are also aiding and abetting in the government's cover-up. Yeah, every firefighter who was out there on 9/11 is going to be complicit in the MURDER OF 343 OF THEIR FALLEN BROTHERS! To quote Loose Change co-creator Jason Bermas, "the firefighters are paid off."
This is absolute horse , which brings me to why I've formally distanced myself from this sorry excuse for a movement.
[emphasis RG] Loose Change, 9/11 Mysteries, Alex Jones, and all the other kooks out there are ing lying about, distorting, and misrepresenting the facts to further their personal agendas. And what is their agenda, you ask? Money, in the words of Shaggy 2 Dope, "mutha in ass money." Not only are they desecrating 3,000 graves, but they are profiting off of it. That, my friends, makes me sick to my in stomach.
Some may think that this is just a big personal attack, and that I'm not presenting enough facts. I honestly don't give a because the information is out there. I love how all the truthers, myself included for a time, brag about how they've done all the "research." Well my friends, research doesn't involve looking exclusively at other 9/11 conspiracy sites! Research involves looking at things from both sides of the spectrum, and making your own decisions. Check out the links I've listed above, or google "Screw 9/11 Mysteries" and "Screw Loose Change."
Controlled demolitions: absolute bull . Now, I know there are some legitimate inconsistencies in the story that can't be proven false. My problem, and your problem as well, is that we have been blatantly misled by people who are only interested in selling dvds and t-shirts. This is supposed to be a truth movement. At this point, Alex Jones could pull every smoking gun out of ass that proves without question that 9/11 was an inside job, but it will never excuse the fact that he had lie so blatantly. you, avery & bermas, 9/11 mysteries, and every true believer who goes out there and tells people that they've "done their research."
I don't know what the future holds for the student group. For the time being, I'm gonna continue to fill out the paperwork and other such presidential duties because I take my responsibilities and promises very seriously. But you won't see me hand out one more 9/11 pamphlet, or ever utter the phrase "9/11 was an inside job" ever again. I'd personally like to see the group transition away from fringe conspiracy theories and focus more on local issues (God knows, there's enough corruption in Albany, alone), but I might get outvoted by truthers. If that is the case, I cordially invite any of the truthers who think I'm totally wrong to step up and take the reigns. The group is, in part, my creation, but I'll gladly abdicate the throne if all everyone wants to do is continue the truther nonsense.
Oh yeah, what sent me over the edge today? I watched Screw 9/11 Mysteries, which basically adds comments to the original movie. Like Screw Loose Change, every single theory spat out is immediately disproven with formal citations from the NIST report, scientific journals, and the experts themselves. By the end, the whole controlled demolition theory is a complete joke, as the film can't even keep their own story straight.
9/11 Mysteries ends very tragically with a phone call from one of the victims inside the WTC. You may have seen it, it's the guy who's frantically describing the situation to a loved one, but then suddenly, the building starts to collapse and all you hear are his last words, agonizing screams. The creators of this propaganda movie did this intentionally, to play on your emotions right after feeding you all their bull theories.
But as I watched this film again, this time with the annotations, I knew that the creators of this movie used that poor guy's dying moments for their own selfish gains of selling dvds and perpetuating myths that do nothing but denigrate the lives lost on 9/11/01.
Flame bait....I thought RG was above this but I guess not....
(shrugs)
I think it is a rather fascinating insight into the "truther" culture.
Personally, I am of the opinion that the truth movement has many aspects of a cult, and it seems this guy is of the same opinion, having seen it from the inside.
Common RG, a monkey can spot the mistakes in Loose Change. that this guy bought that crap at all is about all you need to know....
This guy must have lurked on the SpursTalk Politics board.
RG may be random, but he is not common.
I study cults and "alternative" religious movements, and yes, I would concur that Truthers have some characteristics of a cult. Minus, I suppose a strong, charismatic, central leader. And the desire for unquestioned loyalty to an organization.
(shrugs)
I think it is a rather fascinating insight into the "truther" culture.
Personally, I am of the opinion that the truth movement has many aspects of a cult, and it seems this guy is of the same opinion, having seen it from the inside.
You are not alone in that assessment actually. If you click the preceding link, there are a few interesting papers on the subject.
This is newsworthy, only in that is so unusual, sort of like a man bites dog moment. At least it gives the archie debunkers something to shout about.
I like the subtle innuendo (whether intended or not) in this response. It's interesting to hear someone cast "debunkers" as being somewhat crumudgeonly and conservative thinkers -- ala Archie Bunker.
I suppose that, by juxtaposition, that could make the truthers the happy go lucky sorts, despite their undying belief that the government is almost entirely conspiratorial and would willingly kill more than 3,000 of its own citizens in an effort to justify any number of sinister ends.
dude, the 3000 people killed on 9/11 is a drop in the bucket compared to the number of people legally killed by the government in wars of aggression.
"All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
Voltaire
PS - and the government's war on drugs kills far more than 3000 per year as well.
PSS - FromWayDowntown, you have been duped by government propaganda. Because you are a moral individual and can't imagine yourself killing someone, you find it difficult to believe the government would kill others. That is how the bloodthirty killers controlling the executive branch of the federal government get away with their crimes. Please, its time to think outside the box.
"It is forbidden to kill;
therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets."
Voltaire
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/qu...ire108412.html
Last edited by Galileo; 04-15-2008 at 07:44 PM.
This Metzger guy is obviously part of the conspiracy. Duh.
True. A couple of quick comments -- (1) Archie Bunker was not a real conservative. He was a caricature of a conservative, Norman Lear's idea of what a conservative was supposed to be. I'm sure most are aware that all conservatives are not curmudgeonly, bigoted, racist, sexist, phobes, etc.
(2) At least here on ST, the critiques against the Truthers have come from both the Left and the Right. That says something significant. What, I don't know ...
Yep, some people here need to wake up, how many people have died from a needless war of aggression in Iraq? 125,000+ dead Iraqis, 4000+ dead Americans, 75,000 American Casualties, 1.5 million displaced Iraqis, mostly women and children, living in squalor in neighboring countries that can not possibly hope to feed and medicate all these refugees......torturing people to death...
WAKE THE UP!
Our country is capable of incredible good, and our government capable of horrific evil....
...McCain/Clinton might as well be on the same team....
This is something that I have said about 9-11.
3000 people were killed so we created a hundred billion dollar per year Department of Homeland Security, mistakenly invaded a country to the tune of 3 trillion dollars, passed the horrendous Patriot Act, and turned our cons utional presidency on its ear in favor of an imperial model...
BUT
Tens of thousands of people are killed in car wrecks. Where is the outrage for that?
Cancer, heart disease, and all the rest of it kills more, does more economic damage than 9-11 did on a yearly basis every year.
We throw away millions of our young men in prisons because we can't be bothered to help them as children, but hey let a couple dozen nutjobs kill a few thousand of us and we overreact just like the nutjobs wanted us to.
Don't get me wrong here. 9-11 was a tragedy, and we should mourn the victims of what is a mass-murder.
But put it in perspective of the wider world.
I love the voltaire quote...
but you're still a conspiracy idiot.
They aren't?
Just kidding. That was too good to pass up...
Because, as we all know, the "eeeevill" goverment brought down those towers with an energy beam, or "laser".
He is capable of doing evil . . .
I didn't mean conservative in a political sense -- conservative has a meaning beyond politics after all.
Laser was orginally an acronym.Because, as we all know, the "eeeevill" goverment brought down those towers with an energy beam, or "laser".
Light
Amplification by
Stimulated
Emission
Radiation
I did a paper on it in 9th grade. A loooooong time ago. ('84 or so)
The conspiracy was not active, but passive, the WH neo- s looking for a pretext to invade Iraq so were hoping for an attack anywhere that could be spun into such a Iraq pretext.
9/11 was probably more than they expected (but they didn't really care, the bigger, the better). They spun 911 into an invasion and indefinite occupation of Iraq, which the neo- s decided on in the 1990s.
The amazing thing is that nobody has had the balls to blame 9/11 on dubya and head and their Exec, who were on NatSec duty when 9/11 hit.
There is talk of another 9/11 commission without the emasculating limits that head placed on the first 9/11 commission.
Remember, head didn't even want any 9/11 commission, no investigation whatsoever. He stonewalled the demands for a 9/11 commission for months until he got the WH protected and a WH mole on the commission.
All this total BS "controlled demolition" etc is very probably a part of the head's own disinformation campaign to keep the sheeple entertained and off his ass.
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