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Pardon the "chick" moment, but that is a very pretty page.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...=SixthMan-0708
19 out of the 20 ESPN votes went to Manu and 1 vote for Leandro Barbosa.
Pardon the "chick" moment, but that is a very pretty page.
WTF is Chris Palmer thinking? He's going to be like Fred Hickman voting for Iverson in 2000 and denying Shaq the unanimous MVP that he deserved (only on a much smaller scale that nobody will actually remember because it concerns a minor award).
The other guys need to walk down to his office and kick him in the balls.
Manu shouldn't win this. Give it to an actual sixth man.
Manu Ginobili being a 'sixth man' is as ridiculous as Mike Alstott being listed as a Fullback.
Wow Williams and Boozer get no love. None whatsoever.
And why the is Yao even there?
I was wondering the same thing. I look at the these all NBA teams kinda like all-star teams. It's more of a popularity contest.
Yup.
See: Coach of the Year.
Jerry ing Sloan anybody? Ever? How about when his starting lineup was Carlos Arroyo, Raja Bell, Matt Harpring, Andrei Kirilenko, and Keon Clark/Greg Ostertag/Jarron Collins and he still got them to the playoffs.
After that I put much less stock in postseason awards because the voters are homers.
I don't want to hear any crying about how the Spurs don't get treated fair and how they get ripped every year for an award. Its bs to start with and Manu is not a sixth man. He plays starter minutes. They don't start him because he plays like a wild animal and gets into foul trouble to fast. Everyone knows that.
Go Spurs Go
All of these ESPN guys don't have real votes for the awards, so it will be interesting to see the real results compared to these percentages.
I understand your point, but I'd add a caveat that I think makes the Ginobili situation one that warrants reward in some historically-significant way: for a guy who could be demanding all sorts of things, Ginobili puts the team's needs first and accepts a role that a lot of other players might not. I actually think that, in some ways, what Ginobili has been doing is going to change the way that some rosters are built and teams are going to think hard about bringing that sort of game-changer off the bench to change the dynamic of games. There is a sort of unselfishness that is implicit in the 6th Man Award and Ginobili undoubtedly has that quality.
Plus, I don't see his win in this category being much different than a guy like Detlef Schrempf or Kevin McHale winning the award back in the 80's or early 90's. McHale's wins are particularly significant in showing, I think, that voters will (and should) reward a guy who comes off the bench, even if he's a good enough player -- a Hall of Fame player -- to make the difference that starters usually make.
It's no wonder SI is going down the tubes. I still subscribe out of tradition, but if they ever actually have good opinions, analysis or anything worth reading at all actually.
That's my only hope that Manu doesn't get a Sixth Man award because I'm assuming the voters have bigger brains than Jamele Hill.
It is pretty damn big of Manu to do what he does and as much as I hate him for always killing my team, I do respect the out of his game and at ude. I just think that everyone knows that already. He doesn't need the award to prove himself- his game and at ude has already done it for him.
I mean what are they going to do, just give it to him every year, as long as Pop keeps bringing him off the bench? Like Barkley said, in that case, they might as well retire the award.
Here's one ballot from the UT beat writer- for the record he has Manu as sixth man.
Awards season
This writer's awards ballot was e-mailed to the NBA office tonight from San Antonio
MVP
1. Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers 2. LeBron James, Cleveland 3. Chris Paul, New Orleans 4. Kevin Garnett, Boston 5. Deron Williams, Utah
Comment: As one of two first-place Bryant voters last season, I think he's beyond due to win his first MVP. All he's done this season is lead the Lakers to the best record in the Western Conference while playing with a torn ligament in his pinkie since the All-Star break and enjoying his "best year ever as far as an overall team player," according to Phil Jackson.
There's also no disputing Williams' value for those of us who watch him for 82 games a season. He's only averaged 18.9 points and 12.4 assists since the All-Star break while assuming leadership of the Jazz (along with Carlos Boozer) in just his third season. As Boozer has said before, it's scary to think what Williams will be doing in his eighth year.
All-NBA
First team C Dwight Howard, Orlando F LeBron James, Cleveland F Kevin Garnett, Boston G Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers G Chris Paul, New Orleans
Second team C Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix F Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas F Paul Pierce, Boston G Manu Ginobili, San Antonio G Deron Williams, Utah
Third team C Tim Duncan, San Antonio F Carlos Boozer, Utah F Pau Gasol, L.A. Lakers G Tracy McGrady, Houston G Steve Nash, Phoenix
Comment: Howard would be a leading MVP candidate any other year in averaging 20.9 points and 14.3 rebounds for the Magic. Both Stoudemire and Duncan played the majority of their minutes this season at center. The case for Gasol starts and ends with the fact that the Lakers are 22-5 with him in the lineup. Tough to leave out both Carmelo Anthony and Allen Iverson.
Coach of the year 1. Phil Jackson, L.A. Lakers 2. Byron Scott, New Orleans 3. Rick Adelman, Houston
Comment: Not only did he successfully navigate Bryant's trade demand last summer, Jackson also integrated Pau Gasol into the triangle offense at midseason. But Jackson deserves the most credit for the way the Lakers' youngest players - - Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Ronny Turiaf and Andrew Bynum - - have developed since his return as coach.
Rookie of the year 1. Kevin Durant, Seattle 2. Luis Scola, Houston 3. Al Horford, Atlanta
Comment: Durant improved throughout the season despite being thrown into a toxic situation in Seattle. It's easy to forget Durant was the youngest player in the NBA this season and averaged 20 points with little in the way of a supporting cast. Scola was the NBA's most polished rookie, which was to be expected from the 28-year-old Argentine star.
Most improved player 1. Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers 2. Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee 3. Al Jefferson, Minnesota
Comment: Although he only played 35 games before suffering a knee injury, Bynum (13.1 points, 10.2 rebounds) was head and shoulders the NBA's most improved player the first two months of the season. If he makes a complete recovery, there's little doubt he will be a future All-Star and a cornerstone of the Lakers for year to come.
As an aside, the NBA offers some guidance for this award by saying it should go to an "up-and-coming" player. As strong a season as Hedo Turkoglu had in Orlando, it's difficult to make the case that at 29 years old, having played eight seasons in the NBA, he's an "up-and-comer."
Sixth man 1. Manu Ginobili, San Antonio 2. Leandro Barbosa, Phoenix 3. Ben Gordon, Chicago
Defensive player of the year 1. Kevin Garnett, Boston 2. Shane Battier, Houston 3. Marcus Camby, Denver
Comment: Both of these awards were no-brainers. More than Tony Parker or Tim Duncan, Ginobili probably was the Spurs' driving force this season. There are those in the Jazz organization who believe he is the NBA's most underrated player. Garnett's impact on the Celtics, especially on the defensive end, is unquestioned.
--Ross Siler
There are some awards that I largely disregard -- Defensive Player of the Year has been a joke to me for some time (I put a lot more stock in the All-Defense teams, just because they're voted on by coaches). Like you, I think the Coach of the Year award is flawed because truly great coaches like Sloan, Phil Jackson, and Gregg Popovich only rarely have a chance to win the award while mediocre coaches who find themselves in suddenly-great situations are always in the running.
That Jerry Sloan has never won COY is beyond ludicrous.
Yup.Yup.Yup. Mangoo is a good player. He is no 6th man. He comes of the bench because he HAS to. Its in the best interest for the Spurs and for Mangoo. He starts. He gets into foul trouble and Pop is forced to get him out of the game when Pop does not want to. IT IS WHAT IT IS.
Give Mangoo the award. Who gives a crap. He will win it this year. There not that player, a real 6th man that sticks out this year. Give him this token award so Spurs fans will stop crying about awards.
I think your viewpoint will carry the day at some point (ala Jordan not always winning MVP), even if Pop just keeps bringing him off the bench for the next few years. To me, the point of giving him the award this year is that it creates an historical marker to acknowledge for all-time what we all know from watching. I don't think Ginobili's unselfishness will always be so self-evident to NBA fans and the sentimental side of me thinks that he deserves the sort of historical legacy for his team-first at ude that actually winning the award will ensure.
I'd also add this: there were years in which Ginobili was a marginal starter/marginal 6th man sort of guy and didn't win the award (he's finished 2nd (2007) and 3rd (2004) in the past). He's clearly been one of the elite 6th men of this era (even before he cemented his status as a legitimate star-level player) and there's a part of me (biased as I might be) that thinks that he deserves recognition for having been that kind of a player.
BARBOSA??!!.....manu got robbed
I guess I can see that. Especially since Barbosa took it last year. I also tend to forget the average fans aren't total NBA junkies like the rest of us. It wouldn't kill me to see Manu get it THIS season. Better than Barbosa anyway.
I agree man, there's no reason that AK shouldn't have won ONE DPOY (god i sound like a homer, but whatever haha.)
I know there's more people who have been hosed on these awards, but obviously the Jazz players will be the first in mind for me. So sorry.
You might ask Bruce Bowen about having never won a DPOY award.I agree man, there's no reason that AK shouldn't have won ONE DPOY (god i sound like a homer, but whatever haha.)
I know there's more people who have been hosed on these awards, but obviously the Jazz players will be the first in mind for me. So sorry.
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