Reply With Quote
I assume this company does NOT allow vending machines in the workplace, because that would make for some legal irony.
Edited for accuracy - I meant to include the word NOT.
i just saw on cbs new the company who was firing smokers is now after the obese...
no links to the news story yet...
I assume this company does NOT allow vending machines in the workplace, because that would make for some legal irony.
Edited for accuracy - I meant to include the word NOT.
Last edited by Guru of Nothing; 01-26-2005 at 09:58 PM.
That's a big assumption. I would venture it's a safer assumption they've given this new policy direction quite a bit of thought and worked to minimize their exposure to such "legal irony."
But, we'll see.
I hope you are joking.
And if you aren't...sucks to be fat.
Hey Joe, stop eating.
PS: Smoking is a great appe e supressant
Last edited by whottt; 01-26-2005 at 09:51 PM.
I hope it is a big fat lie.
Maybe the fat asses will understand the smokers plight now!
What plight?
I don't know what your problem is but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce!
If they are given ample time to lose weight or get a doctor's excuse and they don't comply....that's it their gone!!!
No more chalupas or tacos!
You could take all this even one step further. For instance, today's genetic testing can determine what disease a person can be predisposed of developing. So the question becomes, can companies use this type of testing against you to legally discriminate because of the expectation that you will develope this disease and it will hurt your long-term productivity and thus the companies financial best interests?If they are given ample time to lose weight or get a doctor's excuse and they don't comply....that's it their gone!!!
They should go after the workers with families next. Not only do families mean more people to get sick and increase health care costs, but, instead of spending time with their families, these ingrates should be working harder to add to the CEO's paltry multi-million salary.
I know you meant that somewhat tongue-in-cheek. However, it really does boil down to the fact that private employers should be able to hire and fire at will for whatever damn reason they see fit and publicly-traded corporations should be able to hire and fire at the will of the stockholders.
Only Government employers (or people who would hope to enter into government contracts) should be held to any anti-discriminatory laws or policies.
Period.
i second that.. that is the point..why do you so called liberals want government control on everything?
I thought private companies were already subject to anti-discriminatory laws.
If they fire you because you you're fat, just keep eating until you're disabled and then they have to rehire you and can no longer discriminate against you.
If death doesn't occur first!
Not exactly, but I'm saying they shouldn't be in any case.I thought private companies were already subject to anti-discriminatory laws.
As a matter of fact, you might be surprised to know that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (and its amendments) doesn't apply to private businesses that do not have a business relationship with the federal government. To this point, discrimination suits have relied on a liberal (double entendre intended) judicial intepretation of the interstate commerce clause of the U.S. Cons ution to punish corporations.
It started with a case in the South where a Black, from State A, was denied service at a restuarant in State B. A suit was brought that basically argued that by denying a resident from one state to spend his money in another the restuarant was violating the interstate commerce clause. Oversimplification but it works. Read the Civil Rights Act of 1964 you'll be astonished.
That or Jesse Jackson and his Rainbow Coalition can extort the corporation into adopting anti-discriminatory policies.
Yoni, allow me to introduce you to the Declaration of Independence...
I'm sorry that you don't seem to understand that human beings have greater rights than any business in this country...our government was not founded to protect the rights of private businesses...It was founded to protect the people, to enforce the cons ution, to live up to the standards decreed in the Declaration of Independence.
I won't argue too hard that employers should have the right to hire and fire whoever they please, in most cases....
But I will argue vehemently against their rights to openly discriminate based on what an insurance companies dictates, and what may or may not happen...
A Businesses rights should always come secondary to the rights of people in this country...
An this is a clear case of a business ting on that all men are created equal thing....
It's right there in the Declaration of Independence.
there isnt a right to smoking and getting sick and then having your employer pay for your treatment in the cons ution
Wrong thread...this one is about firing the lardasses...
Pull your head out kittie.
Let me introduce you to the U. S. Cons ution instead:
The First Amendment - Right of Association (including employer/employee association)
The Fourth Amendment - The Right to dispose of your private property in whatever manner you see fit. (including capital assets, salary money for employees, etc...you get the picture.)Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to pe ion the government for a redress of grievances.
Then, there's the kickers --The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The Ninth Amendment - Nothing the Cons ution says can be construed to deny individual rights to anyone. (including such constructs that say a person has a right to be employed over the rights of an individual to employ that person...personal property rights trump some nebulous employment right that's been cut from whole cloth and which can't be found anywhere in the U.S. Cons ution)
And the Tenth Amendment - If we don't say it in here then the States and the People have the right to do whatever they deem appropriate including private discrimination for whatever reason, purple hair or black skin.The enumeration in the Cons ution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Then, let's discuss things you won't find in the U.S. Cons ution...The powers not delegated to the United States by the Cons ution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
The right to a job. The right to not be offended. The right to not be discriminated against by anyone for any reason, other than the government or it's agents. And, hundreds or thousands of other assumed rights that never existed...
You won't find it in the Fourteenth Amendement, Section I (The famous "equal protection clause") or in any other section of the U.S. Cons ution -- it doesn't exist:
But for judicial fiat, discrimination would not be illegal.Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
okay, here is the article.. they aren't firing fatties, just offering ways to help them be healthier...
Health Care Company That Fired Smokers Also Targeting Fat. Weyers Won't Fire Employees For Obesity
POSTED: 9:20 am CST January 27, 2005
A Michigan health care company that fired four employees for smoking is also targeting fat.
Howard Weyers, the founder of Weyco Inc., said he wants to tell fat workers to lose weight or else, Reuters reported.
Weyers brought in weight experts to speak with employees, according to Reuters. The company also offers employees a $35 monthly incentive for joining a health club and $65 for meeting fitness goals.
But the company isn't planning to fire employees for unhealthy lifestyle choices, according to a Weyco news release.
"Anyone concerned about limiting employers' rights to specify terms of employment should know that federal law protects people with conditions like obesity, alcoholism and AIDS. But there's no right to indulge in tobacco," the news release said.
Four Weyco employees were fired after the company enacted a new policy this month, allowing workers to be fired if they smoke, even if the smoking takes place after hours or at home.
and whott your declaration of independence doesn't mean anything bc you know it only applied to white property owning males at the time it was written...
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
