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Pop ain't got no man-love for the young'ens.
I think this is a topic worth examining. Is Pop too comfortable with experienced vets? Of course, the positive angle is older vets know how to execute and this formula has worked to the tune of 4 NBA les. The downside is that the Spurs don't really develop their own young role players in their system and end up having to hope that they can land vets at the end of their careers with the promise of a shot at a ring. Yes, there have been exceptions (TP, Jack, and Malik). Maybe this is the summer Pop needs to become a little more amenable to taking on younger talent and molding that talent.
Pop ain't got no man-love for the young'ens.
Same thing happened to the Lakers in their 3-peat years, Phil got too comfortable with vets and didn't develop any younger talent.
He's going to have to make an adjustment for this season and give some youngsters a chance.
I think it's been painfully clear in these playoffs that they need to get younger and more athletic to keep up with the league.
You won't be able to replace guys like Horry, Finley, Stoudamire, Thomas, possibly Barry and Vaughn with all new vets.
Young players aren't overthemselves yet and tend to be oblivious to the word efficiency. Pop is big on having players that understand what they can and can't do. This is something most young players fail to understand, which leads to inefficient possesions as they are clueless in the difference between a good and bad shot.
Pop goes the geeers.
Not working in at least one young player into the rotation seems to have backfired now. Even Flip Saunders adjusted, started playing his bench and now he has players like Rodney Stuckey and Jason Maxiell who can add youthful exuberance, at the very least.
However, it's hard for me to be too critical when the same formula won in 2005 and 2007. Next year, though, it looks mandatory if for no other reason than to help keep the Big Three fresh for the playoffs. A young scoring threat has to be brought in -- whether that be Mahinmi, a young wing or a rookie backup PG.
get em while theyre young and mold them.. afterall tim duncan wasnt born at 30
In the playoffs you ABSOLUTELY want veterans over young rookies. No doubt about that. As long as your core is reasonably young, you can afford to have veteran role players.
The problem is when you have veteran role players that should have retired 5 years ago.
This is why powerful teams eventually die....
If you're winning rings there is pressure on you to continue to win and therefore young players do not get to play much and therefore no development.
PJ was always like that but the last couple of years forced him to play the snot nosed younglings and they eventually developed.
Pop will start to develop rookies if and when they are no longer seriously contending.
pop os larry brown, fok them
I've thought about this before too. Pop seems to have almost an aversion toward younger players - and it's not helped the development of this roster. It's as though no one is ever good enough or talented enough to play for him. It's a wonder he ever decided to start TP in the first place.
School's out on an exclusively old roster now. The landscape of the league dictates that you must be able to match energy and athleticism with all the up and coming teams.
The Spurs, as an organization, have enough cred and veteerans that they should be able to instill the proper ethics into a special young player. Said player would have to be the right age and maturity. Pop and R.C. have created such a glut of older players that it will be difficult to upgrade. The problem is they need help starting next season. They cannot afford to wait another 2-3 years.
I'd rather lose with players who are arrowing up than lose with a roster of exclusively older players, who are past the end of their careers.
What young players have we had the chance to acquire that were better than the role players we have now?
I'm talking free agency or the draft and I don't wanna hear Josh Howard or Barbosa.
My only criticism would be failure to develop a young wing player. They just had bad luck with some young bigs -- Splitter and Javtokas (and Scola to some extent).
Most of them don't pass the audition. The ones that do are usually pretty marginal NBA talent in the first place due to our draft positions.
If the Spurs aren't able to find quality vets to replace guys like Finley, Horry, and Barry then where are they going to find the talent? They have 3 picks in this year's draft, the draft rights to Sanikidze, and Mahinmi as available sources for young talent for next season.
The Big 3 have a lot of basketball mileage on them from the last 5 seasons plus this one. Of course, they need to win games during the regular season. But is it really a good idea to ride any of those that much during the regular season? Yet, if you give younger players the PT they need to develop then you will have to balance that with the pressure of potential playoff seeding.
Lastly, the Big 3 + Pop have a finite amount of time left together, perhaps four more seasons. The Spurs have regenerated their supporting cast before, but that was centered on a 19 year old French point guard who fell to them in the draft and a shot in the draft's dark nether regions in '99 on an Argentine guard.
There are a couple of ways to look at this season to this point. One is that this group has played a lot of basketball over the last 3 years and it's caught up with them. A summer spent recuperating along with a few wise free agent pickups and they're back on a championship track next season. The other side is that the team as structured is not in tune with today's NBA and they need more speed and athleticism surrounding the Big 3. The easiest way for the Spurs to get that is through the draft and perhaps through picking up younger talent who for one reason or another is available (ie Jack).
The Spurs opted to keep that supporting cast together after it won a le last June. That's certainly defensible. But even if they managed to pull off a repeat this time I think the fundamental issue remains. They will need to revamp that supporting cast.
I guess Pop could have always tried to take time developing rookies and we might have a younger good team now, maybe.
I'm happy with the old guys and the 4 rings though.
Goal #1, get them over to America.
There's your answer right there, Spurs fans.
The days of Celtic dynasties are over.
We had to trade away a huge part of our team in the form of the Big Whining Lard (and give up chances to possibly win the ring right now) and suck for a few years before we became a serious young contender again.
I think theSpurs should seriously think about trading Parker, Ginobili and yes, even Duncan for high draft picks and 2 or 3 solid players.
I tought Darius Washington played well back then for us. I tought that if Pop had the patience and gave him some run, he could back up Tony. But Pop went for JV. And right now we don't have a backup. The thing is, I don't think Pop has the patience to go trough building another TP.
And considering that we're going to finish among the top 4 teams in the NBA, it might give him an excuse not to change a damn thing.
Yes, because those three are not solid at all.
i dont care if im getting ahead of myself, but since splitter's gone....
who do the Spurs need to draft at #26:
if it's center - robin lopez or roy hibbert?
if it's wingman - brandon rush or nicolas batum
if it's point guard - chalmers or westbrook or whoever else
who is it?
He played 38 mpg for the Toros and had an assist/turnover ratio of 0.92
WHOOOOOOSHHH....
That seemed to have gone over your head.
Those players (especially Duncan) are not getting any younger.
Sure they are solid (if not fantastic) players but how long are you going to ride them?
You got to weigh how much they will help your chances to win right now to how much you can get for them in the near future.
I know Duncan means alot to you Spurs fans but would you trade him straight up right now for let's say Baron Davis, Monte Ellis and two number ones??
Most of you would say no...and most of you would be wrong.
There is no future after Duncan.
God no. Holy that is a horrible deal.I know Duncan means alot to you Spurs fans but would you trade him straight up right now for let's say Baron Davis, Monte Ellis and two number ones??
We want the Spurs to win. Not Golden State. We're funny that way.Most of you would say no...and most of you would be wrong.
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