Pakistans CIA hit on Karzai

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Afghanistan blames Pakistan in Karzai attack
By RAHIM FAIEZ – 1 hour ago

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — An Afghan official on Wednesday accused Pakistan's premier spy agency of organizing a recent assassination attempt on Afghan President Hamid Karzai, the most serious in a string of allegations against Pakistan.

The charge bodes ill for American efforts to get Pakistan's new government to work with Karzai's embattled administration to counter Islamic militants on their common border.

Karzai escaped unharmed when assailants fired guns and mortars toward the president, senior officials and foreign diplomats during a military parade in downtown Kabul on April 27. Three Afghans were killed.

Since then, Karzai has ramped up his criticism of Pakistan, whom Afghan officials have long suspected of secretly aiding the insurgents. Karzai even threatened to send troops into Pakistan to eliminate Taliban leaders this month.

Afghan intelligence chief Amrullah Saleh alleged last month that suspects involved in the attempt on Karzai had exchanged cell phone text messages with people in Pakistan's lawless tribal regions and the city of Peshawar.

Presidential spokesman Humayun Hamidzada said Tuesday that "the hand of one foreign intelligence agency was clearly involved."

Saleh's spokesman, Saeed Ansari, went further Wednesday, claiming Afghan intelligence could prove Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency, or ISI, was involved.

"The evidence and do ents as well as the confessions of people arrested by the intelligence service shows that the main organizer of the terrorist acts during the 16th anniversary of the mujahedeen victory was the intelligence service of Pakistan and its allies," Ansari said.

Pressed at a news conference for details, Ansari said one piece of evidence was a secret code used during phone conversations between militants. He released a list of phone numbers prefixed with Pakistan's country code, 92, which he said they had used.

However, he said couldn't reveal all the reasons the Afghan agency was certain the ISI was involved because it could compromise its operations.

"We are sure and confident" of an ISI connection, he said.

Ansari also said that militants involved in a deadly attack on Kabul's Serena Hotel in January had links with the ISI.

A spokesman for the Pakistan army, which controls the ISI, was not immediately available for comment. The Foreign Ministry said it would only respond after viewing a transcript of Ansari's remarks.

Pakistani leaders acknowledge that Taliban and al-Qaida militants find refuge in its lawless tribal belt. However, they angrily reject suggestions that its security agencies are colluding with militants.

"Pakistan will not allow its territory to be used against other countries, especially Afghanistan," Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said Wednesday.

But in a message to both Afghanistan and the United States, he added: "Under no cir stances will foreign troops be allowed to operate inside Pakistan."

Cross-border relations are already strained in the wake of a U.S. airstrike which Pakistan says killed 11 of its soldiers last month.

The top American commander in Afghanistan said Tuesday that one-star generals from the U.S., Pakistan and Afghanistan this week began a joint investigation of the incident.

Pakistani officials complain that they being unfairly blamed for the failure of the Karzai government to stabilize Afghanistan, despite billions of dollars in international aid and the presence of 60,000 foreign troops.

In the latest fighting, the U.S.-led coalition said Afghan police called for help Tuesday night when insurgents armed with rockets and guns attacked government offices in the Sarobi and Gomal districts of Paktika province.

"When coalition air support arrived, the 22 militants who attacked the district centers were positively identified and killed," a coalition statement said.

Ghamai Khan Mohammadyar, spokesman for the provincial governor, said police counted the bodies of 22 "enemy fighters" on the battlefield. He said no Afghan forces were killed and claimed that the surviving militants had fled toward the Pakistani border.

The coalition said one of its troops died and three others were wounded when a bomb hit a vehicle on a combat operation in Helmand province.

One NATO soldier also died in Helmand when an explosion hit a patrol in Nahri Sarraj district on Tuesday, the alliance said.

More than 2,000 people have died in insurgency-related violence this year, according to an Associated Press tally.

Many are militants slaughtered by U.S. warplanes responding to skirmishes on the ground. A total of 111 foreign troops have also died, including 36 this month — a faster monthly pace of attrition than in Iraq.

Associated Press writers Stephen Graham and Amir Shah in Kabul and Matthew Pennington in Islamabad contributed to this report.
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this alliance with pakistan................i smell a rat.

[ElNono]

I just never understood this...

1) It's common knowledge Pakistan has been a Taliban refugee for a long time now. They say they're not, they received $4 billion in aid for 3 years after 9/11, and you still read how Taliban cross the border with impunity.
2) They're the worst example of a democracy in the Middle East. Musharraf named himself president in 2001. And I don't even have to talk about Bhutto.
3) They're always having border conflicts with India, to the point that you no longer wonder if they're going to use the nuke they have, but how long until they use it.

Why are we allied with these people again?

[clambake]

I just never understood this...

1) It's common knowledge Pakistan has been a Taliban refugee for a long time now. They say they're not, they received $4 billion in aid for 3 years after 9/11, and you still read how Taliban cross the border with impunity.
2) They're the worst example of a democracy in the Middle East. Musharraf named himself president in 2001. And I don't even have to talk about Bhutto.
3) They're always having border conflicts with India, to the point that you no longer wonder if they're going to use the nuke they have, but how long until they use it.

Why are we allied with these people again?

it is one of THE MOST unexplained and ignored topics of this century.

like i said, i smell a rat.

[ChumpDumper]

Folks, the ISI pretty much created the Taliban. There are definitely those in the ISI with an interest in bringing back Islamist rule in Afghanistan.

Thinking Musharraf is in full control of the ISI is faulty.

This is just one more reason committing to nation-building in Iraq while Afghanistan remained unfinished was a horrible idea.

[Nbadan]

Folks, the ISI pretty much created the Taliban. There are definitely those in the ISI with an interest in bringing back Islamist rule in Afghanistan.

Not to mention that Muhammed Atta, ringleader of the Arab 9/11 co-conspirators, was receiving monies from the ISI, the Pakistan equivalent of our CIA....but the CIA worked closely with the ISI to defeat the Ruskies...

[Nbadan]

Thinking Musharraf is in full control of the ISI is faulty.

No doubt...in fact on could say that there are elements in the ISI which would like to see Musharref get Saddamed....

[Nbadan]

This is just one more reason committing to nation-building in Iraq while Afghanistan remained unfinished was a horrible idea.

The Bushco administration did everything it could to deflect 9/11 to Iraq

[boutons_]

http://www.truthout.org/article/2-bi...tan-questioned

The mishandling of the Paki FATAs and the near-border Taleban is clearly one of the huge mistakes of dubya's terms, just part of their half- ed cowboy-ishness of busting into a country without having Act II, etc defined AT ALL.

Same no-Act II story in Iraq.

So tell us again how the Repugs are so ing strong on National Security.

[xrayzebra]

Do any of you duffus's understand anything about the people in this region? And for you folks that live in the U.S. hey, ever heard of Mexico. Increase Mexico by tenfold and you have that region. It is a way of life. Accept it or whatever. Life in that region is dependent on status. Pure and simple, like it or not.

[clambake]

Do any of you duffus's understand anything about the people in this region? And for you folks that live in the U.S. hey, ever heard of Mexico. Increase Mexico by tenfold and you have that region. It is a way of life. Accept it or whatever. Life in that region is dependent on status. Pure and simple, like it or not.

ray, this is where the people responsible for 9/11 are hangin out.

please explain why bush doesn't care about that.

[xrayzebra]

ray, this is where the people responsible for 9/11 are hangin out.

please explain why bush doesn't care about that.

He personally told me it was because he hates you.
Okay. I didn't want to hurt your feelings, but, well you know...and he knows you live in ..... some undisclosed location...

[clambake]

He personally told me it was because he hates you.
Okay. I didn't want to hurt your feelings, but, well you know...and he knows you live in ..... some undisclosed location...

just shows your empty reasons for bush support.

you'd think at your age you might have learned something.

[xrayzebra]

just shows your empty reasons for bush support.

you'd think at your age you might have learned something.

I have to really not pay much attention to people like you.

[clambake]

I have to really not pay much attention to people like you.

why don't you want to get the people responsible?

[whottt]

it is one of THE MOST unexplained and ignored topics of this century.

like i said, i smell a rat.

I just never understood this...

1) It's common knowledge Pakistan has been a Taliban refugee for a long time now. They say they're not, they received $4 billion in aid for 3 years after 9/11, and you still read how Taliban cross the border with impunity.
2) They're the worst example of a democracy in the Middle East. Musharraf named himself president in 2001. And I don't even have to talk about Bhutto.
3) They're always having border conflicts with India, to the point that you no longer wonder if they're going to use the nuke they have, but how long until they use it.

Why are we allied with these people again?

Because you stupid ing idiots...Afghanistan is a landlocked country...whose airspace would you have preferred we use otherwise? China's? Or Iran's?

Stupid s.


And Pakistan isn't in the ME...idiot.


PS: The US doesn't largest army in the world either...dumb , and even if we did, it's not that large in Afghanistan.




God you guys are ing stupid...not a crime in and of itself, but what's really annoying is you think you're smart. You're not...you're ing stupid.



And other reasons we are allied with Musharraf...

1. Because when we weren't, the Taliban rose to power in Afghanistan.
2. Because what will replace him is much worse.
3. Because his country is an economic hole with no natural resources, and if we don't ally with him...someone else will, and he'll be only too willing, with anyone.


You guys are so ing stupid...no wonder you don't understand the true threat of terrorism...


Pakistan is just about the most corrupt and ed up country on the face of the Earth...and the version of militant Islam produced within it's borders is worse than that produced in Saudi Arabia and Iran.

It's as ed up as Saudi Arabia, with all the humanitarian and civil rights problems...only it doesn't have oil...and it has nukes.




You guys have no idea of their child homelessness issues, which is where the Pakistani terrorists are coming from...

You have no idea what they are teaching those uneducated, drug addicted, homess kids in the Madarassas of Pakistan...


You have no ing idea...if you did...you'd understand that those guys getting power in Pakistan would likley usher in the apocalypse.



Why don't you guys ing educate yourselves rather just reading propaganda...stupid s.

[whottt]

Folks, the ISI pretty much created the Taliban. There are definitely those in the ISI with an interest in bringing back Islamist rule in Afghanistan.

And in other news...Bush beat Gore without winning the popular vote.


Wake me when you get to 2008...I'll be waiting.

[clambake]

so, pakistan was going to align with afghanistan if we used their airspace.

no wonder the govt. stamped your file "This guy is ed in the head".

[whottt]

The question need to be asking yourselves is why in the did Musharraf ally with us, given the fact that the most radical strain of Islam has a stronghold within his own country and government...and it's simple, because his country is an economic catastrophe and he needs the money. The lack of money is why militant is Islam is so strong in Pakistan.

[whottt]

so, pakistan was going to align with afghanistan if we used their airspace.

No idiot...

#1. Pakistan was already allied with the Taliban.

#2. What part of Afghanistan is a landlocked country don't you get? Stupid . How do you propose we get our military into Afghanistan without the permission of one of the countries surrounding it?


Like I said...whose airspace would you have preferred we use, China's? Or Iran's?

no wonder the govt. stamped your file "This guy is ed in the head".

No...being ed in the head is not understanding what landlocked means or understanding what happens when you fly over a countries airspace without permission...

Dumb piece of stupid .


Seriously...you are the stupidest person on this forum.

[clambake]

The question need to be asking yourselves is why in the did Musharraf ally with us, given the fact that the most radical strain of Islam has a stronghold within his own country and government...and it's simple, because his country is an economic catastrophe and he needs the money. The lack of money is why militant is Islam is so strong in Pakistan.

no sherlock. but you left out a rant about how it's apparently not his country. why don't you want the ones responsible?

[clambake]

oh, and once again dip , piss ant pakistan would've gotten mowed if they stood in our way.

but the govt. was right about you.

[ElNono]

No idiot...

#1. Pakistan was already allied with the Taliban.

#2. What part of Afghanistan is a landlocked country don't you get? Stupid . How do you propose we get our military into Afghanistan without the permission of one of the countries surrounding it?

Like I said...whose airspace would you have preferred we use, China's? Or Iran's?

You could have used China's or Russia's airspace if the operation was sanctioned by the UN security council. But no, this was a unilateral action by the UK and the US. This wasn't even a NATO operation.

So we had to compromise with Pakistan. The Taliban was cleaned up from Afghanistan, but a good bunch moved to Pakistan and keep coming and going.
But since we're in bed with Pakistan, we can't do about it.
Now, according to dubya, states harboring terrorists are enemies of the USA.
I guess we should put an footnote explaining that Pakistan is a special case?

At least we agree that Pakistan is a ed up country.
And I stand corrected, Pakistan is in South Asia, not the Middle East.

[whottt]

oh, and once again dip , piss ant pakistan would've gotten mowed if they stood in our way.

So you favor unilateral action against a country that had commited no aggression against us or anyone else? One who just so happens to be a nuclear power.

You're a stupid .



They also have a military built up to match up with India...you know, India, and it's nuclear arsenal, and it's 1+ billion population of Muslim hating Hindus.


On top of that, Pakistan was the Taliban's #1 ally and befefactor in the entire world...and by allying with Musharraf we broke that alliance.

[boutons_]

"favor unilateral action against a country that had commited no aggression against us or anyone else"

... are you talking about Iraq? I'd say you just tripped over your own , but the presupposes you have one.

[whottt]

You could have used China's or Russia's airspace if the operation was sanctioned by the UN security council.

Yeah...China and Russia would have gone for that in a heartbeat. Because they're our staunch allies.


#1. We didn't Russia, we already had a northern front from which to launch the war. Which does jack good since the Taliban had little or no control of the North, and was launched out of their Pakistani border.




2. I'm sure China just loves the idea of a brand spanking new US allied Democracy sitting on their border...you idiot.



3. If anything, China is supporting the Taliban right now...why in the would they would want a US allied Democracy sitting on their ing border?

But no, this was a unilateral action by the UK and the US. This wasn't even a NATO operation.

You're an idiot.



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So we had to compromise with Pakistan. [/qute]


Dude... ing Pakistan was sponsoring the Taliban you idiot.


Newsflash: So was Saudi Arabia.

The Taliban was cleaned up from Afghanistan, but a good bunch moved to Pakistan and keep coming and going.

Idiot...a good bunch of them were always in Pakistan. The Taliban came from the Pashtuns, those are Pakistanis as well as Afghanis.

But since we're in bed with Pakistan, we can't do about it.

If we weren't in bed with Pakistan...who do you think they'd be in bed with? Them..and their nuclear program, and nuclear materials, and huge ass population of Wahabi Muslims?

Now, according to dubya, states harboring terrorists are enemies of the USA.
I guess we should put an footnote explaining that Pakistan is a special case?

yes it was and is a special case.


Damn you guys are ing stupid.

At least we agree that Pakistan is a ed up country.
And I stand corrected, Pakistan is in South Asia, not the Middle East.

You have no idea how truly ed up up Pakistan is...no idea. If so then Musharraf's motivations wouldn't be mysterious to you, and neither would Islam's...or it's byproducts.


And you also wouldn't wonder why we allied with him and should continue to staying allied with him.


And if you're real smart you'll say your prayers and hope that Musharraf doesn't get taken out...


You will see an American city get nuked by terrorist attack if the Radical Muslims in Pakistan take power.


You literally have no idea what they are doing to produce fanatics there...it's probably the most inhumane and apocalyptic movement ever produced in the history of mankind.

You also have no idea the way women are treated there either...


Kids and Women aren't human beings in Pakistan...they are treated as subhuman.



PS: For all you guys thinking Islam is some kind of joke that could never serious threaten us, just know Pakistan was the first Islamic state of the Industrialized World.



Someday you guys will look into it for yourselves...and once you do, if you can still chalk it up to some sort of cultural difference, or anything other than pure evil, then you're a bigger idiot than I thought, and that'll be pretty amazing, because I think both of you guys are huge idiots.