VP Debate Blog

[Pistons < Spurs]

No- I am a beautiful, successful, moral-minded woman who is offended by her lack of intelligence. She makes women look bad.

She doesn't have any lack of intelligence. She doesn't make women look bad. She IS in over her head. She's had a ton of shit thrown at her in a short period of time. Naturally she'll stumble at times. She simply was not prepared for the role she finds herself in. Maybe she shouldn't have accepted joining the ticket. Maybe she shouldn't have even been considered. But it's not like she's some bumbling idiot that's an insult to women across the country. She's just not ready to be the VP of the USA.

[T Park]

Hillary Clinton is intelligent- she does not offend me- whether I agree or not with her views.

She doesn't offend you with the lies and the "getting fired on over Bosnia?"

Whatever.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Would that make you feel better?
Sorry for hurting your feelings, I'll think about it next time i decide to post something that entertains me.

I could give a fuck, just tired of you all bitching about her using maverick a lot when Biden's parroting the fucking 'change' shit like it's going out of style.

[PeterBurns]

What would be great is to close she says...

"How can you trust a man, that said his own running mate was not qualified to be the President.....Yahtzee Bitches....Palin OUT"

[tp2021]

I can't feel.

[Ginofan]

Yeah I'm sure it was real.

And we are supposedly hard on Palin, jeez louise Tpark

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I am shocked ploto is for Biden. He's a white male, after all...

[InRareForm]

She doesn't offend you with the lies and the "getting fired on over Bosnia?"

Whatever.

lol, this again?

[T Park]

She doesn't have any lack of intelligence. She doesn't make women look bad. She IS in over her head. She's had a ton of shit thrown at her in a short period of time. Naturally she'll stumble at times. She simply was not prepared for the role she finds herself in. Maybe she shouldn't have accepted joining the ticket. Maybe she shouldn't have even been considered. But it's not like she's some bumbling idiot that's an insult to women across the country. She's just not ready to be the VP of the USA.

Eh,


its because she doesn't have a thousand years of being in government wich is completely fine with me.

Fuck people like Biden that have been there for over 30 years, but all of a sudden are gonna give "change"

[SpursFanFirst]

She doesn't have any lack of intelligence. She doesn't make women look bad. She IS in over her head. She's had a ton of shit thrown at her in a short period of time. Naturally she'll stumble at times. She simply was not prepared for the role she finds herself in. Maybe she shouldn't have accepted joining the ticket. Maybe she shouldn't have even been considered. But it's not like she's some bumbling idiot that's an insult to women across the country. She's just not ready to be the VP of the USA.

:tu I absolutely agree with this.

[MannyIsGod]

This last answer by Palin is her first couric moment of the night. That was a pretty horrible answer.

[T Park]

lol, this again?

?

This again what?

[dg7md]

I could give a fuck, just tired of you all bitching about her using maverick a lot when Biden's parroting the fucking 'change' shit like it's going out of style.

There's a big difference. The "maverick" claims are them tooting their own horn about what they are, not what they're going to do.

That's like someone calling themselves hot over and over again, not exactly the same as promoting a government change. Would you want to believe someone that calls themselves a "bad ass" continually each time you talk to them?

[T Park]

And we are supposedly hard on Palin, jeez louise Tpark

I agreed.

Sorry that you took it the wrong way.

[T Park]

What would be great is to close she says...

"How can you trust a man, that said his own running mate was not qualified to be the President.....Yahtzee Bitches....Palin OUT"

:lmao

God I would pay THOUSANDS to hear her say that.

[T Park]

I am shocked ploto is for Biden. He's a white male, after all...

Pretty tall as well.....

[SpursFanFirst]

I agreed.

Sorry that you took it the wrong way.

:lol I read it with sarcasm too...it's tough to know on this board sometimes.

[T Park]

Shes smiling again.

Oh my god!!!

HERETIC!!

[jochhejaam]

Let it be noted that Gwen has been very fair

[SpursFanFirst]

yeah...choices. :(

[T Park]

:lmao

She just took a shot at the bitch Couric.

Sit and spin :lmao

[ploto]

When asked how you will change the tone in Wahington you do not go into an attack on the other ticket.

Got in that attack on the media, too.

[Ginofan]

"answer tough questions"? Wtf you didn't answer squat you just went on and on with disregard to the original questions!

[td4mvp21]

Palin...you nor McCain are for the middle class. You both want more tax breaks for Corporate America.

[T Park]

Let it be noted that Gwen has been very fair

I'm sure gwen is appreciative.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Eh,


its because she doesn't have a thousand years of being in government wich is completely fine with me.



It's great to not be corrupted by the game as many long time experienced politicians are. But to jump onto the main stage, you've got to at least be able to sell that you are indeed ready for the job. IMO, Palin has so far failed to do that. I like her. I wish she was a better candidate for the McCain ticket. But she's just not ready.

[JoeChalupa]

Okay, she came out well...but I hate her so what do I know.

[T Park]

Palin...you nor McCain are for the middle class. You both want more tax breaks for Corporate America.


?

:lol Yeah ok.

[Crookshanks]

Now that was a good line Sarah!

Let's have more of these types of debates and let them talk directly to the people instead of letting the MSM telling people what they just heard.

[ploto]

I am shocked ploto is for Biden. He's a white male, after all...

I am voting for OBAMA.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"this is the most important election in your life." Arrogant much?

[SpursFanFirst]

awww....I feel a group hug coming on :makeout

[dg7md]

Nevermind the issues, result to flag waving patriotism as your key to getting votes. </Republicans>

[T Park]

It's great to not be corrupted by the game as many long time experienced politicians are. But to jump onto the main stage, you've got to at least be able to sell that you are indeed ready for the job. IMO, Palin has so far failed to do that. I like her. I wish she was a better candidate for the McCain ticket. But she's just not ready.

Agree to disagree.

Shes not a great saleslady, that doesn't bother me.

[T Park]

Nevermind the issues, result to flag waving patriotism as your key to getting votes. </Republicans>

:lol

Yeah that patriotism is just evil.

[SpursFanFirst]

Okay, she came out well...but I hate her so what do I know.

I thought you had your mind made up?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

There's a big difference. The "maverick" claims are them tooting their own horn about what they are, not what they're going to do.

That's like someone calling themselves hot over and over again, not exactly the same as promoting a government change. Would you want to believe someone that calls themselves a "bad ass" continually each time you talk to them?

What is Obama going to do to change things? Oh yeah, tax the rich, blah blah blah. Same shit politicians have been saying since I can remember. Yeah, that's change you can beleive in...

[T Park]

I am not a racist. I LIKE BLACK PEOPLE!!!.

[dg7md]

:lol

Yeah that patriotism is just evil.

It's not EVIL, stop assuming that everything I mention is me hating it.

The fact is, you want to elect the biggest patriot, or the wisest politician?

[tp2021]

:lol

Yeah that patriotism is just evil.

Are you even reading what he said? Being a patriot doesn't mean you can be the leader of the free world.

[T Park]

So Joe, you were wrong before when you said he wasn't ready, and that you stood by that statement?

Guess not....

[T Park]

It's not EVIL, stop assuming that everything I mention is me hating it.

The fact is, you want to elect the biggest patriot, or the wisest politician?


You took a shot at patriotism.

Whatever.

[PeterBurns]

Personally I thought the moderator was black

[T Park]

Are you even reading what he said? Being a patriot doesn't mean you can be the leader of the free world.

No one said it did.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I am voting for OBAMA.

Still clueless. I wouldn't expect anything less from you.

[dg7md]

So Joe, you were wrong before when you said he wasn't ready, and that you stood by that statement?

Guess not....

Maybe Joe saw Obama stepping up and changed his opinion based on getting to see him campaign and see him better than he ever has before since being the VP selection?

[T Park]

I thought you had your mind made up?

He just said he hates her.

I think thats a mind made up.

[td4mvp21]

?

:lol Yeah ok.

Yeah ok I'm right. They want to keep Bush's tax cuts the same. How does that benefit the middle class? It doesn't. I'm not saying what they want is right or wrong (though I happen to disagree with it), just don't say something that isn't true.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Cue Campbell's rant on CNN in 3...2...1...

[T Park]

Maybe Joe saw Obama stepping up and changed his opinion based on getting to see him campaign and see him better than he ever has before since being the VP selection?

:lol

Or hes a power hungry politician thats seen lots of presidential campaigns fail miserably and saw this as his last shot at it?

Nahhh.

[SpursFanFirst]

hmmm..who do I watch for the wrap up? Who won't be biased?

[T Park]

Yeah ok I'm right. They want to keep Bush's tax cuts the same. How does that benefit the middle class? It doesn't. I'm not saying what they want is right or wrong (though I happen to disagree with it), just don't say something that isn't true.

So you want to raise taxes.

Great idea.

[T Park]

hmmm..who do I watch for the wrap up? Who won't be biased?


Good luck.

[ploto]

There is a vast difference between not being a slick politician and being unable to put together coherent responses to expected questions. As a woman, I am appalled that she is the "best" my gender had to offer- she is a poor representative of what women can contribute to the process. I expect far more than winking and cuteness. I have never resorted to using sex appeal to accomplish anything and watching her try to do it makes me sick.

[Kriz-Maxima]

You took a shot at patriotism.

Whatever.

He didn't take a shot a patriotism, he took a shot at using fake patriotism as a cover for lack of substance.

[lurker]

Surprising, the smartest thing said during the debate was from Sarah Palin.


"He (McCain) is the man we need to leave."

[T Park]

He didn't take a shot a patriotism, he took a shot at using fake patriotism as a cover for lack of substance.

So now you question her patriotism?

Interesting.

[dg7md]

TPark, I didn't take a shot at patriotism, I took a shot at using that to garner votes to the lesser educated Americans out there. Patriotism is essential but so is a clear head, that knows that America has to be working to work out things with nations and not resulting to a Bush Doctrine type of condition, or an isolationist "love us or hate us, we don't give a damn" stance.

[SpursFanFirst]

He just said he hates her.

I think thats a mind made up.

He said she did well, but he hates her...what should he do?

I took that to mean that perhaps she said something that might've swayed him.

Settle down, TPark.
Bad day?

[tp2021]

He didn't take a shot a patriotism, he took a shot at using fake patriotism as a cover for lack of substance.

TPark doesn't care.

[T Park]

I hate pretty women.


Got it.

[T Park]

I'm assuming.

[T Park]

He said she did well, but he hates her...what should he do?

I took that to mean that perhaps she said something that might've swayed him.

Settle down, TPark.
Bad day?

I would say the word hate, overrides swaying :lol

Hate is a pretty strong word. I can't even say I hate Obama.

I dislike his policies, but I don't hate him.

[T Park]

TPark, I didn't take a shot at patriotism, I took a shot at using that to garner votes to the lesser educated Americans out there. Patriotism is essential but so is a clear head, that knows that America has to be working to work out things with nations and not resulting to a Bush Doctrine type of condition, or an isolationist "love us or hate us, we don't give a damn" stance.

So does not being a bitch and bending over just to make them happy.

[tp2021]

So now you question her patriotism?

Interesting.


Nobody said she wasn't patriotic. They said that she appealed to patriotism for votes as a fallback plan, since she wasn't getting in a good answer.

[BRHornet45]

Okay, she came out well...but I hate her so what do I know.

son I will bet $10,000 that you are ugly and/or over weight ... most democrats are. there is a reason why they are so bitter.

[SpursFanFirst]

they're mentioning the winking

[T Park]

Nobody said she wasn't patriotic. They said that she appealed to patriotism for votes as a fallback plan, since she wasn't getting in a good answer.

and Obama falls back on "change" "hope" everytime he needs to pump up votes.

[Shastafarian]

I guess she thought the questions Gwen Ifill was asking were more suggestions than actual questions. How many did she actually answer?

[Pistons < Spurs]

I would say the word hate, overrides swaying :lol

Hate is a pretty strong word. I can't even say I hate Obama.

I dislike his policies, but I don't hate him.

Hate may be a very strong word to YOU. but to most it isn't. I say things like 'I hate you/him/her/them etc etc' all the time. It doesn't really mean I HATE them.

Mountains out of molehills

[baseline bum]

Palin was much stronger tonight than I've ever seen her. I think Biden won this debate though, as much as I think he's a fucknut for claiming we're underfunding the joke of No Child Left Behind. I'm glad Obama hates this piece of shit program though.

[SpursFanFirst]

son I will bet $10,000 that you are ugly and/or over weight ... most democrats are. there is a reason why they are so bitter.

Wow you're a hateful person!

[dg7md]

So does not being a bitch and bending over just to make them happy.

I swear you are just reading my posts and using your own bias to confirm what I meant as what you truly believe "evil liberals" have in their gameplan.

[T Park]

Hate may be a very strong word to YOU. but to most it isn't. I say things like 'I hate you/him/her/them etc etc' all the time. It doesn't really mean I HATE them.

Mountains out of molehills


:lol

No wait. That doesn't make sense.

If you don't hate someone, then why would say you do?

[BRHornet45]

Wow you're a hateful person!

it's 100% truth though

[T Park]

I swear you are just reading my posts and using your own bias to confirm what I meant as what you truly believe "evil liberals" have in their gameplan.


??

I highlighted what you said and inserted a comment.


Whatever though.

[dg7md]

it's 100% truth though

So 48-49 percent of the country is what you described?

[tp2021]

and Obama falls back on "change" "hope" everytime he needs to pump up votes.

Ok T Park. you are absolutely right. I will vote for whomever you vote for.

[SpursFanFirst]

it's 100% truth though

There's a thread on here with pics of posters...is YOURS on there?
My guess would be no.

[Shastafarian]

Tonight just proves it. She has no idea what she's gotten herself into. Her answers were so hollow BRHornet's brain case is trying to figure out how anything could be more hollow than it.

[InRareForm]

anyone watching MSNBC coverage?

LOLOLOL @ Pat Buchanan thinking Palin was perfect.

[dg7md]

Tonight just proves it. She has no idea what she's gotten herself into. Her answers were so hollow BRHornet's brain case is trying to figure out how anything could be more hollow than it.

Yeah sons, he's gonna do some "original" cheapshots now, can't wait.

[td4mvp21]

So you want to raise taxes.

Great idea.

Good deflection :tu You're wrong so you try to make me sound stupid.

And yes, I agree with Obama's tax plan. Just as you most likely agree with Bush's/McCain/Palin's. Your point? Neither of us are stupid for thinking like that. Matter of perception.

[T Park]

Ok T Park. you are absolutely right. I will vote for whomever you vote for.

Yeah be butthurt and cry when I swing it back the other way.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'd say scoring it that it was really a draw tonight, but based on the expectations all the press had set up for this that translates to a win for Palin.

It's not a game changer, but if we're calling winner/loser, she gets the nod.

[Shastafarian]

anyone watching MSNBC coverage?

review. LOLOLOL @ Pat Buchanan thinks Palin was perfect.

Pat "Hitler Was Misunderstood" Buchanan? No! How could he be wrong in anything?!?!?

[Pistons < Spurs]

Palin was much stronger tonight than I've ever seen her. I think Biden won this debate though


Agreed. I was largely waiting for her to just completely fuck up. She did more than just 'get by' or 'hold her own'. I thought she had some really good moments tonight. Biden had a few stumply moments of his own, but clearly came across more polished and having a more focused, better understanding of the issues .... regardless if I agreed with him or not.

[tp2021]

it's 100% truth though

There are plenty of differing opinions in this thread and in this forum. It sometimes leads to many heated words between posters. But you are being an asshole. Time for the ignore list.

[T Park]

Good deflection :tu You're wrong so you try to make me sound stupid.

And yes, I agree with Obama's tax plan. Just as you most likely agree with Bush's/McCain/Palin's. Your point? Neither of us are stupid for thinking like that. Matter of perception.


You agree with him raising my taxes from 45% to 52?

Thanks alot .

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Campbell Brown said Palin did a good job. Someone some blankets and jackets down to hell, they've got to be freezing their asses off.

[BRHornet45]

So 48-49 percent of the country is what you described?

LOL son just look around. nearly half this country is full of liberal, enchilada eating blimps! again .. there is a reason why most democrats are so bitter. they have to look in the mirror every day.

[SpursFanFirst]

anyone watching MSNBC coverage?

LOLOLOL @ Pat Buchanan thinking Palin was perfect.

I'm watching it, and thought that was pretty funny.

She seems like a lovely, down-to-earth woman...but I just can't see how she won that debate...or even, how she did well.
I felt like she talked in circles many times.

[dg7md]

LOL son just look around. nearly half this country is full of liberal, enchilada eating blimps! again .. there is a reason why most democrats are so bitter. they have to look in the mirror every day.

LIBERALS ARE THE OVERWEIGHT ONES?!

Then explain to me why the most overweight and unhealthy states are bleeding, ol' country pure red states? And the most healthy are... surprise, blue states.

[td4mvp21]

son I will bet $10,000 that you are ugly and/or over weight ... most democrats are. there is a reason why they are so bitter.

Bitch just quit posting already. We already know how stupid you are for calling a McCain supporter an ugly Obama supporter. You just run your mouth.

[T Park]

Agreed. I was largely waiting for her to just completely fuck up. She did more than just 'get by' or 'hold her own'. I thought she had some really good moments tonight. Biden had a few stumply moments of his own, but clearly came across more polished and having a more focused, better understanding of the issues .... regardless if I agreed with him or not.

Hes been a freaking politician for over 30 years!

HE OUGHTTA BE!!1

[Pistons < Spurs]

:lol

No wait. That doesn't make sense.

If you don't hate someone, then why would say you do?

It's just like saying 'I'll kill that SOB' ... very rarely does that person really mean he's going to kill someone.

[2Blonde]

son I will bet $10,000 that you are ugly and/or over weight ... most democrats are. there is a reason why they are so bitter.


Wow you're a hateful person!


it's 100% truth though


Are there any Dems that would take BH up on that 10k... talk about slap in the face:lol

I'm a democrat and I'm neither ugly or overweight. Can I have the$10,000?

[SpursFanFirst]

Hey, what thread is that?

Ummm...It was a while ago, so you'll have to do a search.
Try searching "pics." I believe that was in the title.

I know that Brutalis started that, if that helps.

[T Park]

Campbell Brown said Palin did a good job. Someone some blankets and jackets down to hell, they've got to be freezing their asses off.

I have chest pains.

:lol

[T Park]

It's just like saying 'I'll kill that SOB' ... very rarely does that person really mean he's going to kill someone.

Alrighty.

Still though, I could never say I "hate" someone. Honestly.

[Spurminator]

To think Palin won tonight you either had to:

a. Have remarkably low expectations, or
b. Be deaf

Joe Biden was the most Presidential looking/sounding of any of the four debaters this week. That's not saying much, but he did well.

[tp2021]

I'm a democrat and I'm neither ugly or overweight.

:tu

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:lmao

CNN asked their focus group who won the debate. It was about 50-50, slightly more for Biden, but the panelist chick called it an overwhelming win for Biden.

Hey dumbass, the cameras are on.

[T Park]

To think Palin won tonight you either had to:

a. Have remarkably low expectations, or
b. Be deaf
Joe Biden was the most Presidential looking of any of the four debaters this week.

Derrr

pardon me for being deaf

heyuck

[td4mvp21]

You agree with him raising my taxes from 45% to 52?

Thanks alot .

:dramaquee

[JoeChalupa]

Biden didn't lose but Sarah will come out ahead but I don't think this will hurt Obama.

[SpursFanFirst]

We'd love to see a pic of you, Hornet...we're waiting to be awed.

[T Park]

:lmao

CNN asked their focus group who won the debate. It was about 50-50, slightly more for Biden, but the panelist chick called it an overwhelming win for Biden.

Hey dumbass, the cameras are on.

CNN is a very fair and balanced network though....

[T Park]

:dramaquee

no answer

suprise.

[Xylus]

If I took a drink for everytime Palin dodged a question, or completely ignored the moderator, I'd be dead. She clearly has a shortlist of soundbites that she refers to whenever the going gets rough, or if she can't think of what to say.


What a fucking joke of a vice president nominee. Ugh.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Hes been a freaking politician for over 30 years!

HE OUGHTTA BE!!1

She's asking us to vote her in as VP for the next 4 years .... which means she ought to be damn well sure she's just as prepared and knowledgable as Biden. She doesn't get graded on a curve because she's not a long term Washington insider.

[T Park]

We'd love to see a pic of you, Hornet...we're waiting to be awed.


Speak for your damn self :lol

[SpursFanFirst]

I have chest pains.

:lol

During the RNC, she said basically the same things.
Whether she believes them though remains to be seen.

[Shastafarian]

Seriously. Did she actually answer a question all night? She changed the subject I don't know how many times. I personally enjoyed when she went from a question on BANKRUPTCY to energy...god if McCain somehow wins and dies in office, I'm leaving. That woman would single-handedly take down this country.

[T Park]

She's asking us to vote her in as VP for the next 4 years .... which means she ought to be damn well sure she's just as prepared and knowledgable as Biden. She doesn't get graded on a curve because she's not a long term Washington insider.

She can't be as knowledgable as Biden. HES BEEN IN GOVERNMENT FOR OVER 3 YEARS!!!

Shes over 30 in age!!!

[dg7md]

If anything was a shining point, Biden finally went off on the "maverick" talk and win or lose this debate that was a crucial thing to have been said.

[PixelPusher]

:lmao

CNN asked their focus group who won the debate. It was about 50-50, slightly more for Biden, but the panelist chick called it an overwhelming win for Biden.

Hey dumbass, the cameras are on.

CNN is such a FOX wannabe these days.

KTkqosRiyYo

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Flipping back and forth between CNN and Fox, I can draw one conclusion. These focus groups are shit on both sides. CNN's upholding their liberal bias, Fox their conservative bias.

[T Park]

Seriously. Did she actually answer a question all night? She changed the subject I don't know how many times. I personally enjoyed when she went from a question on BANKRUPTCY to energy...god if McCain somehow wins and dies in office, I'm leaving. That woman would single-handedly take down this country.


Sure thing alec Baldwin

[SpursFanFirst]

Speak for your damn self :lol

OK...I'M waiting to see a pic.

He's been railing on people all night...being an absolute jerk...talking about ugly people.

I can't wait to see just how good looking he is. :rolleyes

[T Park]

Flipping back and forth between CNN and Fox, I can draw one conclusion. These focus groups are shit on both sides. CNN's upholding their liberal bias, Fox their conservative bias.

Fox had a shitty conservative bias in the last presidential debate then I guess.

[PixelPusher]

Flipping back and forth between CNN and Fox, I can draw one conclusion. These focus groups are shit on both sides. CNN's upholding their liberal bias, Fox their conservative bias.

I actually like watching the Frank Luntz groups on FOX.

[T Park]

OK...I'M waiting to see a pic.

He's been railing on people all night...being an absolute jerk...talking about ugly people.

I can't wait to see just how good looking he is. :rolleyes

Then say PM it. I don't want to see it :lol

[td4mvp21]

no answer

suprise.

What more do you want me to say? I already told you my stance. You were the one that did not reply when I pointed out you were wrong and instead implied I was stupid. So don't tell me I don't answer. If you earn more than $250,000 (which is what Obama's plan calls for) then yes I support raising your taxes. Jesus Christ.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Biden didn't lose but Sarah will come out ahead but I don't think this will hurt Obama.

That's about how I feel about it.

That said, all the liberal press expecting her to collapse, meltdown, etc. and finish off the McCain campaign got bitch slapped tonight. Which in itself is a net plus for McCain-Palin.

[CuckingFunt]

She can't be as knowledgable as Biden. HES BEEN IN GOVERNMENT FOR OVER 3 YEARS!!!

Shes over 30 in age!!!

Calm down, Parky. You're starting to make even less sense than usual.

[baseline bum]

She doesn't get graded on a curve because she's not a long term Washington insider.

:lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I actually like watching the Frank Luntz groups on FOX.

I like Wolf and Beck on CNN, H&C on Fox. That about covers it. :lol

I've only seen a snipit of the Luntz show (if it is who I'm thinking of), but not enough to form a solid opinion one way or another.

[Spurminator]

Screw the diplomacy and congeniality. I know Democrats feel obligated to congratulate Palin for putting together consecutive strings of complete sentences, but all of us should expect better from a candidate for VP of the USA.

[SpursFanFirst]

Then say PM it. I don't want to see it :lol

:lol

[SpursFanFirst]

lakaluva, did you find that thread?

[Xylus]

Screw the diplomacy and congeniality. I know Democrats feel obligated to congratulate Palin for putting together consecutive strings of complete sentences, but all of us should expect better from a candidate for VP of the USA.

+1

[Clandestino]

i'm just scared that her damn 6 year old daughter is going to drop that baby!!!

[CuckingFunt]

Screw the diplomacy and congeniality. I know Democrats feel obligated to congratulate Palin for putting together consecutive strings of complete sentences, but all of us should expect better from a candidate for VP of the USA.

Agreed.

[sook]

gawd she came of as fucking annoying as hell.

Can she answer the fucking question? "I know i can't answer the question like you all want me to" ---just stop right there hoe

[SpursFanFirst]

found the thread:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88903

[td4mvp21]

I think Palin held her own tonight. I thought Biden did better but I'm obviously biased. The thing is, she's not stupid. She knows what she wants to do as VP and what McCain wants to do. She just isn't good at communicating that effectively. She stutters and repeats herself and sometimes rambles. But she didn't do that too much tonight so kudos to her.

[lurker]

:lmao

CNN asked their focus group who won the debate. It was about 50-50, slightly more for Biden, but the panelist chick called it an overwhelming win for Biden.

Hey dumbass, the cameras are on.
u7v1vpZcQJQ

[TheMadHatter]

Palin did good in terms of proving to America that she has a brain. That was her primary goal.

As far as her being a better VP candidate than Biden she did not accomplish that IMHO. Too many times she outright deflected and avoided questions altogether and started going off on some energy BS. I was having a hard time following her at times.

Perhaps her most damaging comment of the night was "I've only been at this 5 weeks....". Yea I think all of America realized that.

Biden came out the victor in my opinion. He successfully debated his argument that Obama/Biden would be a change from this administration and I ultimately think that will be all that matters in this election. People want change, Palin and McCain just call themselves Mavericks but their records and plans don't indicate that one bit.

[CuckingFunt]

i'm just scared that her damn 6 year old daughter is going to drop that baby!!!

Don't worry. The saliva makes it stick. That's how suction cups work, after all.

[Crookshanks]

The Fox focus group was split 50-50 before the debate. But what was interesting was that so many of them really liked Sarah - and for the very reasons that so many of you libs here are bashing her - because she sounds like them and she's real.

[Shelly]

OK...I'M waiting to see a pic.

He's been railing on people all night...being an absolute jerk...talking about ugly people.

I can't wait to see just how good looking he is. :rolleyes

I wonder if he has any idea who's standing next to you in your avatar.

I don't think Palin did too badly. She doesn't offend like some of the other women here, but I agree with Piston<Spurs (or did I mix up your name?!?) take on her.

[BigZak]

Personally I thought the moderator was black


you too? i thought it was only me...:wakeup

[T Park]

What more do you want me to say? I already told you my stance. You were the one that did not reply when I pointed out you were wrong and instead implied I was stupid. So don't tell me I don't answer. If you earn more than $250,000 (which is what Obama's plan calls for) then yes I support raising your taxes. Jesus Christ.

Thanks dickhead.

Punish me for being successfull

[SpursFanFirst]

I wonder if he has any idea who's standing next to you in your avatar.

I don't think Palin did too badly. She doesn't offend like some of the other women here, but I agree with Piston<Spurs (or did I mix up your name?!?) take on her.


Yeah, probably not.
It's not my most flattering pic, but I loved that he was in it, soooo...

Hornet just sucks.

[BigZak]

There is a vast difference between not being a slick politician and being unable to put together coherent responses to expected questions. As a woman, I am appalled that she is the "best" my gender had to offer- she is a poor representative of what women can contribute to the process. I expect far more than winking and cuteness. I have never resorted to using sex appeal to accomplish anything and watching her try to do it makes me sick.



okay ploto...it's way past time for you to pony up some pics...

[TheMadHatter]

I'm surprised nobody brought up Biden almost tearing up when he talked about his wife and child that passed away. That was a very powerful moment in this debate that tends to connect with low information voters. Ultimately when I look at Biden I see a very strong and independent person who who will tell Obama what he thinks is right/wrong, and that is what we need in a VP.

Not someone who is going to rubber stamp McCain. You really think McCain will listen to her on anything? Give me a break.

[T Park]

Calm down, Parky. You're starting to make even less sense than usual.

I typed over 30 years in Washington but for some reason it didn't come up.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm still shocked that she would admit to a desire to increase the power of the Vice President. She might be from the Cheney school of expansive executive power, but stating without reservation that she would advocate for further expansion is both amazing and, to me at least, frightening.

[TheMadHatter]

I love how people making > $250k act like a tax increase is going to ruin their lives. Obama will bring tax levels to what they were during the Clinton years when people were all doing VERY well.

What would you rather have, higher taxes with a stable economy? Or lower taxes with the dollar being worth nothing, your gas prices through the roof, and your house being worth nothing?

[T Park]

I'm surprised nobody brought up Biden almost tearing up when he talked about his wife and child that passed away. That was a very powerful moment in this debate that tends to connect with low information voters. Ultimately when I look at Biden I see a very strong and independent person who who will tell Obama what he thinks is right/wrong, and that is what we need in a VP.

Not someone who is going to rubber stamp McCain. You really think McCain will listen to her on anything? Give me a break.

So ok, when is he gonna say

"Look your not qualified for the presidency, turn it over"

Or is he gonna waffle on that.

[T Park]

I love how people making > $250k act like a tax increase is going to ruin their lives. Obama will bring tax levels to what they were during the Clinton years when people were all doing VERY well.

What would you rather have, higher taxes with a stable economy? Or lower taxes with the dollar being worth nothing, your gas prices through the roof, and your house being worth nothing?

I'd like my taxes lowered and spending cut.


I know its hard for you socialists to get your heads around that people DON'T like high taxes.

[Crookshanks]

What more do you want me to say? I already told you my stance. You were the one that did not reply when I pointed out you were wrong and instead implied I was stupid. So don't tell me I don't answer. If you earn more than $250,000 (which is what Obama's plan calls for) then yes I support raising your taxes. Jesus Christ.
God what a prick you are! He works hard and is successful and you want to punish him. Socialism at its worst!

Waaah, he has more money and it's not fair! I want more than my share - waaah, Obama make him give me a bigger piece. :madrun

[Kori Ellis]

I thought Palin was horrible. When you don't want to answer a question (or don't know an answer), you have to be able to improvise on your feet not just refuse to answer and start rambling about non-related material. I was embarrassed for her for the majority of the debate.

[td4mvp21]

Thanks dickhead.

Punish me for being successfull

I'm through "arguing" with you, it's not even an argument because you never provide any substance. You just insult me. It's kind of ridiculous.

[T Park]

I'm through "arguing" with you, it's not even an argument because you never provide any substance. You just insult me. It's kind of ridiculous.

God, want a tissue?

Or do you want to elaborate on why you think I should pay over half of my income to the federal government?

[td4mvp21]

I love how people making > $250k act like a tax increase is going to ruin their lives. Obama will bring tax levels to what they were during the Clinton years when people were all doing VERY well.

What would you rather have, higher taxes with a stable economy? Or lower taxes with the dollar being worth nothing, your gas prices through the roof, and your house being worth nothing?

Amen to that.

And I'm sick of the personal attacks by TPark and Crookshanks. I don't personally attack you for your stance. I'd appreciate the same respect. But I won't expect it.

[T Park]

Amen to that.

And I'm sick of the personal attacks by TPark and Crookshanks. I don't personally attack you for your stance. I'd appreciate the same respect. But I won't expect it.

I'll remember that after the next time you insult me for rooting for Michael Finley like you did all last season.

[MannyIsGod]

I feel Palin met expectations. She really couldn't help that.

I do feel Biden won the debate. I think Biden will win with independents in all the snap polls.

At worst for the Obama camp, this was a tie and blows over tomorrow when the economy comes back into focus. It was not a game changer though. And with each event like this that passes and is not a game changer, McCain loses a chance to swing the race.

[FromWayDowntown]

God, want a tissue?

Or do you want to elaborate on why you think I should pay over half of my income to the federal government?

Not remotely likely, unless you don't own a home, don't make charitable contributions, and don't find other ways to create deductions for yourself to reduce your true tax rate.

[Kori Ellis]

TPark... am I reading you correctly? You are trying to say you make over $250K?

[MannyIsGod]

Also, I'd like to say while Palin met my expectations I don't think she did a very good job. It was that the expectations were simply do nothing incredibly stupid.

That being said, I think Biden far exceeded my expectations. I had low expectations for him as well, and I thought he was excellent.

[T Park]

Not remotely likely, unless you don't own a home, don't make charitable contributions, and don't find other ways to create deductions for yourself to reduce your true tax rate.

I make charitable contributions but I don't think I should be paid back for doing it.

Thats like expecting a present back at christmas after giving someone one.

[T Park]

TPark... am I reading you correctly? You are trying to say you make over $250K?

I'd prefer not to say, but I am considered "rich" by Obama's standards yes.

[Kori Ellis]

That being said, I think Biden far exceeded my expectations. I had low expectations for him as well, and I thought he was excellent.

I agree with that. I don't usually like him that much and I thought he was very good.

[Buddy Holly]

I know its hard for you socialists to get your heads around that people DON'T like high taxes.

I know it hard for big headed people who inherit their family business to get their heads around that people don't like high taxes when they have to pay them.

Why do I get the sneaky suspicion that you T Park, would have no problem if McCain said everyone making over $250.,000 would get no tax hikes but people making less than $250,000 would.

[FromWayDowntown]

I make charitable contributions but I don't think I should be paid back for doing it.

Thats like expecting a present back at christmas after giving someone one.

So you don't deduct those charitable contributions when you file your taxes?

[Kori Ellis]

I'd prefer not to say, but I am considered "rich" by Obama's standards yes.

Well, then you are saying you earn more than $250K and you are already in a nearly 50% tax bracket.

[MannyIsGod]

I think Palin outright avoiding the questions early on - and even admitting it (which I think is a foolish mistake) is going to hurt her quite a bit.

[Shelly]

TPark... am I reading you correctly? You are trying to say you make over $250K?

I've always meant to ask if his business is making over $250k.

Tpark, do you actually pay yourself that much?

[T Park]

I know it hard for big headed people who inherit their family business to get their heads around that people don't like high taxes when they have to pay them.

Why do I get the sneaky suspicion that you T Park, would have no problem if McCain said everyone making over $250.,000 would get no tax hikes but people making less than $250,000 would.

Ahhh nice little jab there.

But uh, yes I would have a problem with mcCain if he said that. I don't support higher taxes on anyone.

I think the entire nation is over taxed.

[Crookshanks]

I know it hard for big headed people who inherit their family business to get their heads around that people don't like high taxes when they have to pay them.

Why do I get the sneaky suspicion that you T Park, would have no problem if McCain said everyone making over $250.,000 would get no tax hikes but people making less than $250,000 would.

You'd be wrong. I'd guess he wants lower taxes for every tax bracket.

[ElNono]

I'm still shocked that she would admit to a desire to increase the power of the Vice President. She might be from the Cheney school of expansive executive power, but stating without reservation that she would advocate for further expansion is both amazing and, to me at least, frightening.

the word you're looking for is dangerous... and I completely agree.

[T Park]

I've always meant to ask if his business is making over $250k.

Tpark, do you actually pay yourself that much?


My business does, and I do.

I work hard, I think I've earned it :lol JK

[CuckingFunt]

I'd like my taxes lowered and spending cut.


I know its hard for you socialists to get your heads around that people DON'T like high taxes.

Spending can't just be magically cut. Especially not by an administration that wants to keep "winning" multiple wars.

[td4mvp21]

I'll remember that after the next time you insult me for rooting for Michael Finley like you did all last season.

???? I argued with you over that too because ONCE AGAIN, you implied that I was stupid for how I felt about Finley. Honestly, you start half the shit you get yourself into by making comments that make people seem stupid.

And you tell me to get a fucking tissue? Jesus Christ I forgot about that until now :lol

[Spurminator]

I think Palin outright avoiding the questions early on - and even admitting it (which I think is a foolish mistake) is going to hurt her quite a bit.

She really had an awful first half hour. Cringe inducing. She seemed to get a little more comfortable as she went on, but I think she lost a lot of people in the beginning.

[Buddy Holly]

Or do you want to elaborate on why you think I should pay over half of my income to the federal government?

To help the incoming, to get it back to Clinton era numbers. Because GW has been a big time friend to the rich and not to the poor and look where our economy is at now. :toast

But hey, if 7% is gonna "kill ya" you probably aren't making too much. :wow

[T Park]

Well, then you are saying you earn more than $250K and you are already in a nearly 50% tax bracket.

Yup

And he wants to raise it even more.

Thats not counting the income tax I have to pay in Arizona and California as well.

[Shelly]

My business does, and I do.

I work hard, I think I've earned it :lol JK

And here my husband has an advanced degree for nothing... :lol

[T Park]

To help the incoming, to get it back to Clinton era numbers. Because GW has been a big time friend to the rich and not to the poor and look where our economy is at now. :toast

But hey, if 7% is gonna "kill ya" you probably aren't making too much. :wow


:lol

Yeah, steal from the rich and give it to the poor.

You people that make alot of money, EVIL!!!1

[Kori Ellis]

She really had an awful first half hour. Cringe inducing. She seemed to get a little more comfortable as she went on, but I think she lost a lot of people in the beginning.

Yeah she got a little on track in the middle when she started talking super super fast about energy. But other than that, I cringed through most of it too.

[MannyIsGod]

Also, I think the main accomplishment of the night was Palin's political career was nearly over this week and she may have saved it tonight.

CNN poll results are coming out

Who did the best 51-36 in favor of Biden.

[SpursFanFirst]

My business does, and I do.

I work hard, I think I've earned it :lol JK

;) Hey, Tpark! "How you doin'?"

:makeout

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I know it hard for big headed people who inherit their family business to get their heads around that people don't like high taxes when they have to pay them.

Why do I get the sneaky suspicion that you T Park, would have no problem if McCain said everyone making over $250.,000 would get no tax hikes but people making less than $250,000 would.

Raising taxes isn't the solution to save our country. It's lowering government spending.

Obama likes to talk about raising taxes, and that's all well and flowery liberal bullshit, but he's also proposing just under a trillion in new spending as well.

It's amazing that board liberals have been bitching left and right about the economy the last week, but y'all are jazzed about a candidate that wants to spend more than what the estimate for the bailout program on new socialist bullshit.

Just what appeals to all you clowns about us becoming more like the former USSR, Cuba, China, North Korea, etc.?

[SpursFanFirst]

haha...just having fun, TPark

[T Park]

And here my husband has an advanced degree for nothing... :lol

I wouldn't say that, but I doubt you or your husband would like to do what I do for a living, nor endure being though of as scum of the earth just for what you do.

[FromWayDowntown]

I think Biden was substantively sound and rhetorically strong, which I think helps Obama a good deal -- or, as Manny says, at least doesn't hurt him. I thought Biden did the right thing to focus his criticisms on McCain while offering up a good chunk of Obama's platform with solid rationales.

I didn't get a lot of substance from Palin -- she dodged too much on several substantive matters, went frequently to canned talking points about her folksiness, and seemed overly reliant on canned information that was meant much more to attack Obama than to argue for McCain's policies.

[td4mvp21]

I think the entire nation is over taxed.

Well no shit but they aren't going to lower them anytime soon. And if it's between lowering them for wealthy corporations and individuals/families or lowering them for the middle class, I'm going with the middle class, thanks.

[T Park]

;) Hey, Tpark! "How you doin'?"

:makeout

:lol

Damn money hungry wummin :) JK

[MannyIsGod]

She really had an awful first half hour. Cringe inducing. She seemed to get a little more comfortable as she went on, but I think she lost a lot of people in the beginning.

I think people naturally want to finish strong, but I feel in debates its really important to have a strong begining. The reason for this is that as the debate goes on, many people get bored and begin to change the channel. There are more people who leave the broadcast as opposed to people tuning in late and I think thats an important factor to consider who wins which part of the debate.

[2centsworth]

Not remotely likely, unless you don't own a home, don't make charitable contributions, and don't find other ways to create deductions for yourself to reduce your true tax rate.

You do know deductions are phased out at higher income brackets don't you. Going back to 40% marginal, 15.4% employment, 8% sales, 3% property, government fees, etc... You are pretty close to if not over 50%.

[SpursFanFirst]

:lol

Damn money hungry wummin :) JK

:lol nah

[T Park]

Well no shit but they aren't going to lower them anytime soon. And if it's between lowering them for wealthy corporations and individuals/families or lowering them for the middle class, I'm going with the middle class, thanks.


:lol

So we have to pick and choose now?

Why not do ACROSS THE BOARD

novel idea I know.

[Buddy Holly]

You'd be wrong. I'd guess he wants lower taxes for every tax bracket.

Really, so why isn't he lamenting McCain and his "his $5,000 for insurance" but we'll have to tax your health insurer in order to give you said money.

[FromWayDowntown]

And here my husband has an advanced degree for nothing... :lol

Me, too.

[Buddy Holly]

:lol

Yeah, steal from the rich and give it to the poor.

You people that make alot of money, EVIL!!!1

Yeah, the middle class is poor. :lol

You truly are a dumb POS.

[T Park]

Raising taxes isn't the solution to save our country. It's lowering government spending.

Obama likes to talk about raising taxes, and that's all well and flowery liberal bullshit, but he's also proposing just under a trillion in new spending as well.

It's amazing that board liberals have been bitching left and right about the economy the last week, but y'all are jazzed about a candidate that wants to spend more than what the estimate for the bailout program on new socialist bullshit.

Just what appeals to all you clowns about us becoming more like the former USSR, Cuba, China, North Korea, etc.?

Very well said as always.

[Ya Vez]

I don't think she can increase the power of the VP without changing the constitution.. which I believe takes congress and the states to change..

[2centsworth]

biden sounded like a career politician and a big part of our problems. Palin started off slow and finished strong. She is the future if she wants to be.

[td4mvp21]

:lol

So we have to pick and choose now?

Why not do ACROSS THE BOARD

novel idea I know.

Yeah we do have to choose because neither candidate wants to reduce them across the board??? Wow.

[T Park]

Yeah, the middle class is poor. :lol

You truly are a dumb POS.

overtax people that work hard and happen to make good money

You truly are a dickhead.

[T Park]

Yeah we do have to choose because neither candidate wants to reduce them across the board??? Wow.

McCain has proposed across the board tax cuts.

[T Park]

biden sounded like a career politician and a big part of our problems. Palin started off slow and finished strong. She is the future if she wants to be.


:lol

Shes just not a politician. Thats all.

People wanting her to come out and be slick, and all Bill Clinton are gonna have to get over it.

[Kori Ellis]

biden sounded like a career politician and a big part of our problems. Palin started off slow and finished strong. She is the future if she wants to be.

It's funny how different people see things. I'm Republican and I thought she was embarrassing and came off as stupid.

[Shelly]

Me, too.

Kinda depressing to think that he spent 8 years in school and 3 years post grad training, not to mention the student loans accrued, and for what???? :depressed

[MannyIsGod]

I think Biden was substantively sound and rhetorically strong, which I think helps Obama a good deal -- or, as Manny says, at least doesn't hurt him. I thought Biden did the right thing to focus his criticisms on McCain while offering up a good chunk of Obama's platform with solid rationales.

I didn't get a lot of substance from Palin -- she dodged too much on several substantive matters, went frequently to canned talking points about her folksiness, and seemed overly reliant on canned information that was meant much more to attack Obama than to argue for McCain's policies.

One of the things I mentioned early on today was the fact that while I thought it would be very hard for Palin to fail to meet expectations I also thought she might have a lower ceiling because of this. In other words, while she may not be able to make you think she's any dumber, she's got an almost zero chance to convince you she's a genius. I think this was really apparent through out the debate when the focus group simply refused to react in a postive or negative manner to many subjects Palin spoke on.

On Biden, I really thought he had to play prevent defense the entire night and simply bend but not break. Instead for the most part he just threw punches at McCain knowing that Palin couldn't do much to deflect those punches for fear of doing something really stupid. He really found opportunities for gain where I didn't foresee any gain. It was interesting, because while the debate was Biden v Palin, Biden made it Biden v McCain and there was nothing anyone there would do to change that. It was an absolutely excellent strategy and it was carried out in an almost flawless manner.

[mouse]

nor endure being though of as scum of the earth just for what you do.



what you do for a living has nothing to do with it :lmao

[Shastafarian]

Question about bankruptcy law:

Biden answer: ...I don't think John McCain supports that
Palin answer: No we don't. That was a short answer so I'd like to go into my record....energy...I'm a fucking retard


Are you guys kidding me? How can anyone think she won? She didn't do as poorly as many thought (walking off stage or taking a big steaming shit on stage) but she had prepared answers and stuck to them. I'm flabbergasted that anyone think she did well. You can not sound like a complete moron when you stick to coached answers...but not during a damn debate!!!

[2centsworth]

It's funny how different people see things. I'm Republican and I thought she was embarrassing and came off as stupid.

I didn't. I liked the innocence and not the washington talk. btw, the washington talk is literally stupid.

[CuckingFunt]

:lol

Shes just not a politician. Thats all.

Yet she's in the political arena. How is that not problematic?

[Shelly]

MANNY what are the polls showing so far?

[Spurminator]

I want her to come out and look and sound like someone who belongs 2nd in line to the Presidency. She doesn't.

Can you picture her in a room with this country's decision makers? Other countries? Can you imagine that scene? I've been in meetings where the executive had Palin-esque qualities. Nothing gets done and everyone leaves more confused than they were when the meeting began.

[SpursFanFirst]

It's funny how different people see things. I'm Republican and I thought she was embarrassing and came off as stupid.

:tu that's how I feel too

[2centsworth]

Kinda depressing to think that he spent 8 years in school and 3 years post grad training, not to mention the student loans accrued, and for what???? :depressed

hope you didn't do it for money.

[T Park]

Yet she's in the political arena. How is that not problematic?


Because shes not like politicans.

I'd take that. I'm sick of fucking politicians.

[Buddy Holly]

Raising taxes isn't the solution to save our country. It's lowering government spending.

Yeah, that's super easy. Epically when we have people on the right who simply can't say to themselves that ending this war is the right thing to do.


Obama likes to talk about raising taxes, and that's all well and flowery liberal bullshit, but he's also proposing just under a trillion in new spending as well.


It's funny how you fat cat repubs can't get on google and do searches before making claims.


"The non-partisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget calculates that Obama has promised a total of $990 billion in new spending over his first four-year term. At the same time, he has also proposed spending cuts that amount to around $989 billion, so the net cost roughly balances out."



It's amazing that board liberals have been bitching left and right about the economy the last week, but y'all are jazzed about a candidate that wants to spend more than what the estimate for the bailout program on new socialist bullshit.

Yeah, spend but cut the same amount. (above)


Just what appeals to all you clowns about us becoming more like the former USSR, Cuba, China, North Korea, etc.?

You're such a moron.

[Shelly]

hope you didn't do it for money.

I didn't do anything for the money, and no, that's not why he went into medicine.

[2centsworth]

Yet she's in the political arena. How is that not problematic?

politicians have us in a massive amount of debt and on the verge of bankruptcy.

We need fresh views and ideas.

[Spurminator]

I've been in meetings where the executive had Palin-esque qualities.

And I'm not talking about her boobs.

[Xylus]

Because shes not like politicans.

I'd take that. I'm sick of fucking politicians.

So you'd rather have someone with no experience?

[MannyIsGod]

CBS poll has Biden the winner 46-21

CNN was 51-36 Biden

He's got both the major instant reaction polls by fairly large margins.

Contrary to last time, however, the focus groups seem to be splitting to both parties.

[Kori Ellis]

To me Palin is like that person in debate club who memorizes 5 talking points before debate and then if you ask her anything she isn't prepared for, she just goes back to repeating one of the talking points she memorized - no matter the relevancy. The problem is that in reality you have to be able to think on your feet, answer real life questions and improvise. She has shown me no indication any time that I have heard her talk that she has the ability to do that.

[td4mvp21]

McCain has proposed across the board tax cuts.

I honestly have not ever read that and I can't find it. Show me a link. I found one but it doesn't say what you say.

[2centsworth]

I didn't do anything for the money, and no, that's not why he went into medicine.

awesome. funny thing is when you do something you love money seems to follow.

[Shelly]

CBS poll has Biden the winner 46-21

He's got both the major instant reaction polls by fairly large margins.

Contrary to last time, however, the focus groups seem to be splitting to both parties.

What about the undecideds?

[MannyIsGod]

awesome. funny thing is when you do something you love money seems to follow.

:tu

[Trainwreck2100]

ITS PRONOUNCED NEW-CLEE-ARR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dumb bitch

[2centsworth]

To me Palin is like that person in debate club who memorizes 5 talking points before debate and then if you ask her anything she isn't prepared for, she just goes back to repeating one of the talking points she memorized - no matter the relevancy. The problem is that in reality you have to be able to think on your feet, answer real life questions and improvise. She has shown me no indication any time that I have heard her talk that she has the ability to do that.

she was a talking points machine at the start I give you that. That's exactly what I told a friend on the phone. However, after that Biden reminded me of why Washington has a 10% approval rate.

[Buddy Holly]

Because shes not like politicans.

I'd take that. I'm sick of fucking politicians.

Holy shit, that's like being ok with Jimmy the Manager at the lone McDonald's in Bulverde potentially becoming the CEO

[CuckingFunt]

Because shes not like politicans.

I'd take that. I'm sick of fucking politicians.

And, to me, Palin personifies a lot of the things that I dislike in "politicians." She just does it without the polish.

[MannyIsGod]

What about the undecideds?

For the CBS poll 71% of undecides remain that way, 18% will now vote for Obama, and 11% will now vote for McCain based on this debate.

Thats all I got so far, but I'm hitting refresh like a crackhead on most of the blogs trying to find more.

[Buddy Holly]

Because shes not like politicans.

I'd take that. I'm sick of fucking politicians.

Holy shit, that's like being ok with Jimmy the Manager at the lone McDonald's in Bulverde potentially becoming the CEO of Google or Microsoft and you, a stock holder, being OK with it.

[Shelly]

awesome. funny thing is when you do something you love money seems to follow.

Well, I don't love looking at gross foot ulcers for a research study that I somehow got volunteered to help him with! :lol

[Shelly]

For the CBS poll 71% of undecides remain that way, 18% will now vote for Obama, and 11% will now vote for McCain based on this debate.

Thats all I got so far, but I'm hitting refresh like a crackhead on most of the blogs trying to find more.

Cool. Thanks!

[2centsworth]

And, to me, Palin personifies a lot of the things that I dislike in "politicians." She just does it without the polish.

I venture to say you weren't a fan from jump.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Looks like Manny has been scoffed yet again and timvp has been proven right.

[ducks]

Sarah Palin upstaged Joe Biden all the way, from her handshake and "Okay if I call you Joe?", from which she immediately smiled and scored a point when she saw the befuddled look on his face and immediately chalked up another point by his failure to respond with "Okay if I call you Mrs. Palin?"

Totally unlike Palin, Biden paid little or no attention to the American (and international) viewing public, rarely, rarely looking directly at the camera (us), painfully oblivious to the fact that his words were directed only to the moderator of the debate, thereby wasting precious TV time trying to convince the moderator of Obama's merit, despite the fact that she is already an Obama supporter.

Palin, on the other hand, gained huge amounts of points by cleverly taking every advantage of the visual technique of looking directly at the TV camera, upstaging Biden again and again by bringing herself, her face, voice, and smile, directly into our living rooms. It didn't matter how well or poorly she answered questions -- what we saw was a very earnest young woman who very likely will come through the back door (via the 25th Amendment) to become the Acting President of the United States via who looked directly at us when she spoke and voiced her opinions.

Too bad Joe. You flunked the Palin/Biden debate.

[TheMadHatter]

If you are making over $250k you are not worrying about your tax levels going back to what they were during the Clinton years. You'd much rather have a strong economy in which your investments are thriving, which would net you far more money than any tax cut would. The bottomline is your lifestyle will not change one iota if tax levels went back to what they were under the Clinton years.

My father makes well over $250k, there are so many tax loopholes for the rich it's ridiculous. I could go into this, but I'm positive he'd rather I not.

[2centsworth]

Well, I don't love looking at gross foot ulcers for a research study that I somehow got volunteered to help him with! :lol

you sure you're in the right profession. People who love animals play, smell, and eat their pooh. Now that's love.

[MannyIsGod]

Final numbers from tonight's poll have yet to come in, but we do have some early results. (These numbers may change as more respondents complete the survey.) They suggest that once again more voters have responded favorably to the Democratic candidate.

Forty-six percent of the uncommitted voters surveyed say Democrat Joe Biden won the debate, compared to 21 percent for Republican Sarah Palin. Thirty-three percent said it was a tie.

Eighteen percent of previously uncommitted percent say they are now committed to the Obama-Biden ticket. Ten percent say they are now committed to McCain-Palin. Seventy-one percent are still uncommitted.

Both candidates improved their overall image tonight. Fifty-three percent of those surveyed say they now have a better impression of Biden. Five percent say they have a worse opinion of the Delaware senator, while 42 percent say they debate did not change their opinion.

Fifty-five percent say they now have a better opinion of Palin. Fourteen percent say they have a worse opinion, while 30 percent say their opinion hasn't changed.

After the debate, 66 percent see Palin as knowledgeable about important issues – up from 43 percent before the debate. But Biden still has the advantage on this – 98 percent saw him as knowledgeable after the debate. That figure was 79 percent before the debate.

We will have a full report on the poll later on. Uncommitted voters are those who don't yet know who they will vote for, or who have chosen a candidate but may still change their minds.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/politics/horserace/main502163.shtml

I guess all those numbers are from undecideds.

The CNN Poll numbers are based on viewers of the debate, so its possible, just like in the last one, that there are more democrats than republicans which will obviously put a slant on the numbers. That being said, if you skew the numbers to account for that Biden will more than likely still retain a lead - and a sizeable one at that - because he's leading by such a large margin.

[Trainwreck2100]

Holy shit, that's like being ok with Jimmy the Manager at the lone McDonald's in Bulverde potentially becoming the CEO


Holy shit, that's like being ok with Jimmy the Manager at the lone McDonald's in Bulverde potentially becoming the CEO of Google or Microsoft and you, a stock holder, being OK with it.

:wow

[CuckingFunt]

I venture to say you weren't a fan from jump.

Of Palin? Fuck no. She terrifies me. As an American, a voter, and a woman.

[2centsworth]

If you are making over $250k you are not worrying about your tax levels going back to what they were during the Clinton years. You'd much rather have a strong economy in which your investments are thriving, which would net you far more money than any tax cut would. The bottomline is your lifestyle will not change one iota if tax levels went back to what they were under the Clinton years.

My father makes well over $250k, there are so many tax loopholes for the rich it's ridiculous. I could go into this, but I'm positive he'd rather I not.

your father has money argument...huh. Please don't go into it because it's probably over our heads.:lol

[2centsworth]

Of Palin? Fuck no. She terrifies me. As an American, a voter, and a woman.

atleast you don't claim to be objective.

[Kori Ellis]

Sarah Palin upstaged Joe Biden all the way, from her handshake and "Okay if I call you Joe?", from which she immediately smiled and scored a point when she saw the befuddled look on his face and immediately chalked up another point by his failure to respond with "Okay if I call you Mrs. Palin?"

Totally unlike Palin, Biden paid little or no attention to the American (and international) viewing public, rarely, rarely looking directly at the camera (us), painfully oblivious to the fact that his words were directed only to the moderator of the debate, thereby wasting precious TV time trying to convince the moderator of Obama's merit, despite the fact that she is already an Obama supporter.

Palin, on the other hand, gained huge amounts of points by cleverly taking every advantage of the visual technique of looking directly at the TV camera, upstaging Biden again and again by bringing herself, her face, voice, and smile, directly into our living rooms. It didn't matter how well or poorly she answered questions -- what we saw was a very earnest young woman who very likely will come through the back door (via the 25th Amendment) to become the Acting President of the United States via who looked directly at us when she spoke and voiced her opinions.

Too bad Joe. You flunked the Palin/Biden debate.


That might be the worst take ever. Who wrote it?

[T Park]

If you are making over $250k you are not worrying about your tax levels going back to what they were during the Clinton years. You'd much rather have a strong economy in which your investments are thriving, which would net you far more money than any tax cut would. The bottomline is your lifestyle will not change one iota if tax levels went back to what they were under the Clinton years.

My father makes well over $250k, there are so many tax loopholes for the rich it's ridiculous. I could go into this, but I'm positive he'd rather I not.


In other words

fuck you, your rich, give me your money.


Socialism at its finest.

[Buddy Holly]

:wow

Huh?

[Spurminator]

I just found this for those of you who still want a little background on her.
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/8/L/2/palin-facebook-page.jpg

:LMAO

I missed this the first time.

[T Park]

So you'd rather have someone with no experience?

I'd rather have someone that doesn't double talk and say they are for this when they are the epitome of not being it.
I'd rather be for someone who stands by what they say as well.