VP Debate Blog

[ducks]

I still get that so many people still don't know what a VP does.. people are still acting like she is going to be the president on day one.. lets get back to the real debate between Obama and Mccain... thats who will make the policy decision...

really
see bush wanted the bailout plan
it has taken almost 2 weeks to get it done
but he had to change everything
congress has ALOT to do with things not the president who is a puppet piece of the time

[Buddy Holly]

I still get that so many people still don't know what a VP does.. people are still acting like she is going to be the president on day one.. lets get back to the real debate between Obama and Mccain... thats who will make the policy decision...

Yeah, running for the second most powerful seat in our American democracy is totally insignificant. Totally.

[whottt]

:soapbox:

Wow, Whottt...are you angry because Palin talked circles in this debate?



:soapbox:


Um:


http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2797284&postcount=45


I also told you guys before- the PTA soccer moms are the most backstabbing bunch and some of them will enjoy taking Palin down. Seriously. Women are their own worst enemies and seeing another one fail somehow makes them feel better about their miserable selves.



Take it up with her...I've been the one saying it wouldn't go that way...and here in this thread I read countless shots on her smile, her personality, her make up...

While Biden is a bigger primadonna than she ever is.

ploto was exactly right and I was exactly wrong.



That's not anger...it's an admission of error.



And Biden talked in circles too many times, he's just much better at it. Plus he's been enacting legislation for 30 years so of course he knows the ins and outs of that...but he doesn't have as much experience at running a government as she does...in fact no one in this race does.

Like I said...people are penalizing her because she's not a politician. I see that as a positive.


And she's got an 85% approval rating and the endorsement of the man she beat for the Governorship...I bet you none of those guys have ever had or ever will have an 85% approval rating...at anything.


She's the best candidate in this election...all experience means with politcians is that they've got Washinton dirt on them and are in bed with countless special interest groups.


She's not.

[SpursFanFirst]

Um:


http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2797284&postcount=45





Take it up with her...I've been the one saying it wouldn't go that way...and here in this thread I read countless shots on her smile, her personality, her make up...

While Biden is a bigger primadonna than she ever is.

ploto was exactly right and I was exactly wrong.



That's not anger...it's an admission of error.



And Biden talked in circles too many times, he's just much better at it. Plus he's been enacting legislation for 30 years so of course he knows the ins and outs of that...but he doesn't have as much experience at running a government as she does...in fact no one in this race does.

Like I said...people are penalizing her because she's not a politician. I see that as a positive.


And she's got an 85% approval rating and the endorsement of the man she beat for the Governorship...I bet you none of those guys have ever had or ever will have an 85% approval rating...at anything.

Well, I, for one, did not say anything about her makeup or smile...
And her personality is totally fine...the "gosh darnits.." cute...
But they didn't hide the fact that she wasn't making sense in most of what was asked and said.

That doesn't mean I want to see her fail in any way. I just don't think she's right for THIS job.

But 85% approval is very impressive, and I applaud her for that...and I hope she can continue down that path in Alaska if they lose this election.

Oh...and I agree with the Biden comment as well.
I don't like him. I think he's slimy. But I had already made up my mind about him.

Tonight, I watched to see how Palin would do. I wanted to hear what she had to say, and I was HOPING to see that those interviews prior to the debate were flukes. I didn't get that.

edit: I am neither a PTA mom, a soccer mom, or a combination of the 2.

[SpursFanFirst]

I want to also add that, long before this debate, I'd read in numerous places (not here) that she is a master debater.
I did not see evidence of that tonight.
She came out nervous, which was totally fine and understandable..but as the debate went on, I understood why. She seemed to have a few topics down pat, but once the debate deviated from that, she started falling apart.
If she was a debate star, she would have been able to, at least, make it sound like she knew what she was talking about.

[whottt]

And the questions asked were extremely technical something it isn't realistic to expect Palin to have much knowledge of compaed to Biden....so she reverted to her personal experiences and her experiences as Mayor and Governor and as the Head of the Oil and Gas Comission in Alaska.

They asked for detailed answers because they knew Palin would not be able to answer those questions as well as a 5 term Senator would.


She's got as much experience as Clinton, Reagan and Bush...those guys weren't asked for legislative details either.


She did better than Biden did, the nature of the question totally favored Biden as he still lied as much if not more than she did...

Plus she cornered him at least twice..

He lied often about McCain's and Obama's stances on how they voted and of course she couldn't refute that...how the hell is she supposed to know their voting record on every bit of legislation...

They don't even know that shit.


Like I said...people are penalizing her beause doesn't lie like a laywer.


American people deserve what they are going to get if they elect two Senator Lawyers to the white house...

I know how Lawyers work...I worked for one for 3 years.

[clambake]

do you think the questions were unfair?

[whottt]

I want to also add that, long before this debate, I'd read in numerous places (not here) that she is a master debater.
I did not see evidence of that tonight.
She came out nervous, which was totally fine and understandable..but as the debate went on, I understood why. She seemed to have a few topics down pat, but once the debate deviated from that, she started falling apart.
If she was a debate star, she would have been able to, at least, make it sound like she knew what she was talking about.

Anyway I'm done arguing about it...vote for who you want.


People that put two lawyers in the whitehouse deserve what they get for doing that.

[SpursFanFirst]

Plus she cornered him at least twice..

It seemed as though she could have done that several other times, but didn't, for some reason. Bummer too. I was hoping to see that Pitbull we've been hearing so much about.


Like I said...people are penalizing her beause doesn't lie like a laywer.

Personally, that doesn't bother me.


American people deserve what they are going to get if they elect two Senator Lawyers to the white house...

Unfortunately, I think that's what's going to happen. I have a bad feeling with this election.

[whottt]

do you think the questions were unfair?

No but of course Biden is going to know more about voting records and legislation...what makes it ironic is that he provably lied or mistated those answers as much as she did.

Dude is a 30 year Senator who kicked his own ass on the first amendment :lmao


That is fucking pathetic...

Biden threw up complete bullshit, but he did it convincingly. That's why people are saying he won this debate.


I thought she won it clearly...in fact I thought she smeared him..then again, I'm not looking for the better liar. And that seems to put me at odds with the rest of the America...who like politicians to be not only liars...but slick and convincing ones.

[SpursFanFirst]

Anyway I'm done arguing about it...vote for who you want.


People that put two lawyers in the whitehouse deserve what they get for doing that.

:lol You think I'm voting for Obama? Ummm..no.

He's far worse, imo, than she could ever be.

[whottt]

:lol You think I'm voting for Obama? Ummm..no.

He's far worse, imo, than she could ever be.


People are clearly holding Palin to a standard and expectation of knowledge about 10 times higher than any of these other guys.


Period.

[SpursFanFirst]

People are clearly holding Palin to a standard and expectation of knowledge about 10 times higher than any of these other guys.


Period.

Unfortunately, it comes with the territory of being a female trailblazer, if you will, in a man's world.

[Trainwreck2100]

I want to also add that, long before this debate, I'd read in numerous places (not here) that she is a master debater.
I did not see evidence of that tonight.
She came out nervous, which was totally fine and understandable..but as the debate went on, I understood why. She seemed to have a few topics down pat, but once the debate deviated from that, she started falling apart.
If she was a debate star, she would have been able to, at least, make it sound like she knew what she was talking about.

:lol

[whottt]

Besides SFF...it's not just this thread, it's the polls and the focus groups...men thought she did well and women did not.

I think it's funny that men have more confidence in her than women do.

Women can say that's because they understand women better...but you forget that men understand men and I imagine the men favoring her know clearly how full of shit Biden is.


She's not the problem in this race...McCain is the problem, she's carrying his ass, he struggled to connect with people makes confusing statements, and he's not leading this fight, she is...and she's doing what she can to fix the confusion and legitimize his stances.


She's the best candidate in this election.


And I'm not saying that because she's attractive, believe me, there are a lot of attractive women that I would never consider voting for...her attractiveness isn't like some Super Model or something...she's not that good looking.


I like that she put herself through school, just like I did.
I like that she IS a real person.
I like that she actually has experience running things, unlike any of the other 3 candidates in this election...she has a record of excellence in running things.
I like that she stays positive and doesn't get into the mudslinging often and when she has to she does it with a smile and grace instead of bitternesss.

But most of all I like that she's a PG that plays on a sprained ankle and hits clutch free throws...in championship games.


I thought she clearly outclassed Biden in this debate...he was boring and unconvincing and came off as a typical politician, and even when the nature of the questions clearly favored his area of knowledge she held her own and actually put him on the defensive a couple of times.


Fuck Obama and Biden.

[whottt]

Unfortunately, it comes with the territory of being a female trailblazer, if you will, in a man's world.

And she's outclassing them...which is why the media is doing everything they can to frame a negative perception of her. They've done shit to her with regards to editing interviews that they have never done with any other politician in American History.

[Findog]

Did she at one point say Cuba was dangerous?

Gotta watch out for those scary Castro brothers.

[SpursFanFirst]

And she's outclassing them...which is why the media is doing everything they can to frame a negative perception of her. They've done shit to her with regards to editing interviews that they have never done with any other politician in American History.

I said this a little bit ago, but that Gibson interviewing still bothers me.
I refuse to watch him now, and I enjoyed his version of the evening news before.
I thought he was a very worthy replacement after Jennings' death.
So it's unfortunate I will no longer be watching him.

That Couric interview? I watched it yesterday for the first time. I might need to watch it again.
But I definitely didn't get the same vibe I got when I watched the Gibson intvw.

[Findog]

No but of course Biden is going to know more

Fixed. The rest of your post was just word padding.

[FromWayDowntown]

I still get that so many people still don't know what a VP does.. people are still acting like she is going to be the president on day one.. lets get back to the real debate between Obama and Mccain... thats who will make the policy decision...

Sincerely,
Dick Cheney.

[whottt]

Ya Vez...make no mistake about it, this election is Palin VS Obama. McCain's confusing stances are a liability and so are Biden's gaffes. Biden and McCain are the dead weight.


People are tired of their sort of politics and Obama and Palin are seen as the fresh faces , the outsiders...my choice was made on the fact that, well #1 I question Obama's patriotism, but beyond that Obama isn't an outsider and is thoroughly wired into DC politics at every level...while Palin isn't.

[whottt]

IT's funny watching people compare Palin to Cheney and Bush...I doubt she's ever met either one of them and if she has it couldn't have been more than in passing.

[FromWayDowntown]

Ya Vez...make no mistake about it, this election is Palin VS Obama.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly don't think it's Palin v. Obama at all -- nor do I think that it's Palin v. Biden or Palin v. anyone else, really. But it seems silly to minimize the importance of a debate between the running mates, given: (1) Cheney's unprecedented power grabs for the office of Vice President (and the executive, in general); and (2) Palin's unmasked desire to expand that power further.

I'll readily admit that I'm not a fan of the "unitary executive" notion or the accumulation of power in the executive branch, either from a constitutional or a practical standpoint. That Palin is fairly gung-ho in seeking such an expansion (or at least was willing to voice a desire for such an expansion) strikes me as fairly frightening. And if she's going to voice that desire to enjoy expanded powers as VP, I think she'd damned well better answer some tough questions about what she intendes to do with that power.

[whottt]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I certainly don't think it's Palin v. Obama at all -- nor do I think that it's Palin v. Biden or Palin v. anyone else, really. But it seems silly to minimize the importance of a debate between the running mates, given: (1) Cheney's unprecedented power grabs for the office of Vice President (and the executive, in general); and (2) Palin's unmasked desire to expand that power further.

I'll readily admit that I'm not a fan of the "unitary executive" notion or the accumulation of power in the executive branch, either from a constitutional or a practical standpoint. That Palin is fairly gung-ho in seeking such an expansion (or at least was willing to voice a desire for such an expansion) strikes me as fairly frightening. And if she's going to voice that desire to enjoy expanded powers as VP, I think she'd damned well better answer some tough questions about what she intendes to do with that power.

What's alarming to me is that a 5 term Senator with a law degree who has been reviewing, interpreting and reinterpreting the consitution in making and enacting legislation since 1972, kicks his own ass on Article One of the Constitution.


That scares me.

What's his excuse FWDT?

[lebomb]

Palin is a great speaker.............hence her being a former news TV anchor......but, in her debate she had NO substance to her answers. Her responses sounded like a beauty pageant answer......not really answering the question directly......but vaguely.

Biden on the other hand was direct in his answers and backed them up with facts......whether it was with figures or instances.

Biden > Palin

just like

Obama > McCain

[FromWayDowntown]

What's alarming to me is that a 5 term Senator with a law degree who has been reviewing, interpreting and reinterpreting the consitution in making and enacting legislation since 1972, kicks his own ass on Article One of the Constitution.

That scares me.

What's his excuse FWDT?

If you really want to discuss it -- I'll be happy to talk -- you'll have to give me a clue about what you think he got wrong.

[whottt]

He said it refers to the executive branch of the government and that Cheney misinterprets it to his VP role in the Senate...

[whottt]

That is what you call a congressional self asskicking.

[hitmanyr2k]

Palin is a great speaker.............hence her being a former news TV anchor......but, in her debate she had NO substance to her answers. Her responses sounded like a beauty pageant answer......not really answering the question directly......but vaguely.

Biden on the other hand was direct in his answers and backed them up with facts......whether it was with figures or instances.

Biden > Palin

just like

Obama > McCain

That's what happens when you're clueless on issues and have to cram for a debate. The bar for Palin was set so low she could have added 2+2 in the debate and be seen as a success :lol

[whottt]

Biden's answers had no substance either...he just covered it up much better. And he crammed for this debate too. And he still got a ton of shit wrong, as much if not more than she did...


She's never sat in a Senate session in her life...that's what he's done for his entire life, that she doesn't know anyones voting record is understandable, that Biden doesn't know McCain's or Obama's...isn't.

[Warlord23]

"Self-asskicking", for the uninformed, is what whottt does on a normal basis ... talking about topics he has zero clue about, and exposing his retardation for everyone to see.

No wonder you think Palin won the debate. Her clueless rambling, winking, skirting questions she doesn't understand, changing the topic aimlessly, criticizing Obama for voting on issues where McCain voted the same way .... that must remind you of yourself more than anything else.

Palin : political/social/economic/global issues :: whottt : anything whottt posts about

Palin = whottt = dumbasses

[FromWayDowntown]

He said it refers to the executive branch of the constitution and that Cheney misinterprets it to his VP role...

I'm not sure that's what he said at all. From the transcript of the debate:


And the primary role of the vice president of the United States of America is to support the president of the United States of America, give that president his or her best judgment when sought, and as vice president, to preside over the Senate, only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit.

The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive and look where it has gotten us.

As far as I can tell, the first paragraph and the first 2 sentences of the second paragraph are constitutionally correct.

I understand that you're seizing upon this statement: "The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that." But I suppose I'm more concerned that he get the controlling principles correct than that he might have misspoken in citing his source.

And, ultimately, this unitary executive power grab nonsense is a deciding issue for me. I think the Bush Administration's overt efforts to accumulate power in the executive both through expansion of the powers of the offices of President and Vice President and through the dimunition of legislative acts before 2006 are about as unpatriotic as anything I can imagine short of pure treason. Intentional definance of the constitution by an elected official is unconscionable in my mind and offering weak arguments to support those efforts doesn't pardon the wrongdoing.

To hear Palin say that she favors the continuation, if not the expansion, of that effort is something that will steer the direction of my moderate vote.

[whottt]

Prints up Warlor's post..wipes ass with it. Put the stupid shit talking ignorant fuck Warlord on ignore.

Warlord...all mouth, no substance.


His posts are barely asswipe worthy.

[whottt]

I'm not sure that's what he said at all. From the transcript of the debate:



As far as I can tell, the first paragraph and the first 2 sentences of the second paragraph are constitutionally correct.

I understand that you're seizing upon this statement: "The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that." But I suppose I'm more concerned that he get the controlling principles correct than that he might have misspoken in citing his source.

And, ultimately, this unitary executive power grab nonsense is a deciding issue for me. I think the Bush Administration's overt efforts to accumulate power in the executive both through expansion of the powers of the offices of President and Vice President and through the dimunition of legislative acts before 2006 are about as unpatriotic as anything I can imagine short of pure treason. Intentional definance of the constitution by an elected official is unconscionable in my mind and offering weak arguments to support those efforts doesn't pardon the wrongdoing.

To hear Palin say that she favors the continuation, if not the expansion, of that effort is something that will steer the direction of my moderate vote.


Wrong quote:

http://minx.cc/?post=274758


"Vice President Cheney has probably been the most dangerous Vice President we've had in American history. He has the idea...he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the Vice President of the United States. That's the executive. He works in the executive branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.

:lmao


What an asshat...if that's the case Cheney is the Legislature :lmao

And the legislature is the executive branch of the government :lol


Go ahead...insert the excuse for the expert on constitutional law here.


As for the rest of your argument...do you seriously believe Palin is anything like Cheney? She didn't mention anything about directly expanding powers in the legislature. She just said she was going to be more pro-active.

[whottt]

It's also funny that Biden calls Cheney dangerous...he said the exact same thing about Obama.

[FromWayDowntown]

Wrong quote:

http://minx.cc/?post=274758


:lmao

I quoted that.

I also noted that when it came to actually discussing what the constitutional powers of the Vice President are, Biden explained them correctly. You get pissed if someone takes Palin to task on a technical misstatement, but if Biden is technically wrong in a citation and then correctly explains the law, you beat him down. Really?

It's okay that Palin can't cite to landmark Supreme Court cases at all, but it's absurd for Biden to correctly spell out the constitutional powers of the Vice President if he slips and says that those are Article I powers.


As for the rest of your argument...do you seriously believe Palin is anything like Cheney? She didn't mention anything about directly expanding powers in the legislature. She just said she was going to be more pro-active.

I do believe that. She said last night that she agrees with Cheney's (unprecedented) views in response to a question asking directly about Cheney's beliefs about the office of the Vice President and the scope of its power:


IFILL: Governor, you mentioned a moment ago the constitution might give the vice president more power than it has in the past. Do you believe as Vice President Cheney does, that the Executive Branch does not hold complete sway over the office of the vice presidency, that it it is also a member of the Legislative Branch?

PALIN: Well, our founding fathers were very wise there in allowing through the Constitution much flexibility there in the office of the vice president. And we will do what is best for the American people in tapping into that position and ushering in an agenda that is supportive and cooperative with the president's agenda in that position. Yeah, so I do agree with him that we have a lot of flexibility in there, and we'll do what we have to do to administer very appropriately the plans that are needed for this nation. And it is my executive experience that is partly to be attributed to my pick as V.P. with McCain, not only as a governor, but earlier on as a mayor, as an oil and gas regulator, as a business owner. It is those years of experience on an executive level that will be put to good use in the White House also.

Agreeing with Cheney that the constitution affords flexibility in defining the powers of the Vice President makes her, in my estimation, very much like Cheney.

[boutons_]

http://politicalwire.com/archives/images/palinflow.gif

[whottt]

I quoted that.

I also noted that when it came to actually discussing what the constitutional powers of the Vice President are, Biden explained them correctly. You get pissed if someone takes Palin to task on a technical misstatement, but if Biden is technically wrong in a citation and then correctly explains the law, you beat him down. Really?


Yes...because that is his area of expertise.





It's okay that Palin can't cite to landmark Supreme Court cases at all, but it's absurd for Biden to correctly spell out the constitutional powers of the Vice President if he slips and says that those are Article I powers.

Who gives a shit about Supreme Court Landmark cases? Is she going to be serving on the Supreme Court?






I do believe that. She said last night that she agrees with Cheney's (unprecedented) views in response to a question asking directly about Cheney's beliefs about the office of the Vice President and the scope of its power:



Agreeing with Cheney that the constitution affords flexibility in defining the powers of the Vice President makes her, in my estimation, very much like Cheney.


Big difference between Palin and Cheney FWDT...Cheney's a lawyer, Palin is not. :smokin

[MannyIsGod]

Cheney's smarter.

[whottt]

Besides FWDT, why isn't it allowable for officials to have opinions on these things, the Supreme Court is the one that ultimately decides...I know you aren't in the habit of questioning judicial integrity...so really what is the snit about?

[whottt]

Cheney's smarter.

Elitist.

[clambake]

Elitist.

and you don't like lawyers except when you do.

[Sarah Palin]

I want to have whottt's baby

[clambake]

I want to have whottt's baby

i think you already did.

[MannyIsGod]

Elitist.


You act as though thats a bad thing. I'm sorry I want elite people in office. It takes more than a swimsuit and a flute to show me you're ready for the office of the president.

Then again, you voted for Bush. I guess we know where you stand on this.

[FromWayDowntown]

Besides FWDT, why isn't it allowable for officials to have opinions on these things, the Supreme Court is the one that ultimately decides...I know you aren't in the habit of questioning judicial integrity...so really what is the snit about?

If an Administration is willing to disregard the legislative branch, why not the judicial branch as well?

Personally, I find Cheney's view of executive power to be dangerous and unconstitutional. The fact that it might be undone by the Supreme Court (if anyone can dredge up legal standing to challenge those acts) doesn't reduce the danger that unprecedented power seizures can create. The early years of the Bush Administration are evidence enough of that.

We all have our issues, and that's one of mine. Just as your concern about Obama's patriotism is one of yours. I think it's dangerous to elect an executive who believes in expanding the powers of that office beyond its understood constitutional limits (to say nothing of the disingenuous arguments for expansively reading the text in that situation while arguing against expansive readings of the text in other situations) - as I say, I think it's unpatriotic. Palin, to me, acknowledged her desire to do as Cheney has done and that, frankly, is outrageous to me.

[FromWayDowntown]

Who gives a shit about Supreme Court Landmark cases? Is she going to be serving on the Supreme Court?

If McCain is elected and Palin ascends to the Presidency, she's going to be nominating people to fill vacancies on that Court. I'd like to think that she would understand the work that the Court does, which is generally evidenced by knowing about landmark cases as to which most 8th or 9th graders would be conversant.


Big difference between Palin and Cheney FWDT...Cheney's a lawyer, Palin is not. :smokin

Of course, your tired old cannard about lawyers being what it is.

[TomBrady]

Wow...just wow.

The ignorance in this thread is astounding.

[JoeChalupa]

It was a good debate and it was refreshing to see the two candidates respect and look at each other and acknowledge each other. Palin schooled McCain on how to debate.

[whottt]

If McCain is elected and Palin ascends to the Presidency, she's going to be nominating people to fill vacancies on that Court. I'd like to think that she would understand the work that the Court does, which is generally evidenced by knowing about landmark cases as to which most 8th or 9th graders would be conversant.

Reagan did ok at it.




Of course, your tired old cannard about lawyers being what it is.

:lol

[JoeChalupa]

http://wwww.pabloonpolitics.com/images/debate_fork.jpg

[whottt]

If an Administration is willing to disregard the legislative branch, why not the judicial branch as well?

Personally, I find Cheney's view of executive power to be dangerous and unconstitutional. The fact that it might be undone by the Supreme Court (if anyone can dredge up legal standing to challenge those acts) doesn't reduce the danger that unprecedented power seizures can create. The early years of the Bush Administration are evidence enough of that.

We all have our issues, and that's one of mine. Just as your concern about Obama's patriotism is one of yours. I think it's dangerous to elect an executive who believes in expanding the powers of that office beyond its understood constitutional limits (to say nothing of the disingenuous arguments for expansively reading the text in that situation while arguing against expansive readings of the text in other situations) - as I say, I think it's unpatriotic. Palin, to me, acknowledged her desire to do as Cheney has done and that, frankly, is outrageous to me.


But that's what checks and balances are for...because every branch of the government has members that want to expand their branches power. You think Cheney is the first guy to do this?

The Court thinks it should have more power, the President thinks he should have more power, Congress thinks they should have more power...


Human nature.


And BTW, I'd say if she were a lawyer she'd a have much better chance of picking a judge that has a biased agenda.

[whottt]

So tell me FWDT, were you terrified of Bill Clinton when he pushed for line item veto and wanted to remove term limits?

[whottt]

You act as though thats a bad thing. I'm sorry I want elite people in office. It takes more than a swimsuit and a flute to show me you're ready for the office of the president.

So you want a South American style government...





Then again, you voted for Bush. I guess we know where you stand on this.

Best available candidate...besides, he went to Harvard and Yale.

[JoeChalupa]

President Cheney is toast and I'm glad Palin won't have the chance to make it worse.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

...........wanted to remove term limits?huh. i didn't know that. that's funny a democrat wanted to remove after it was put in place because of one.

[boutons_]

pic of fork-pitbull-bitch's head reminds me that some, I guess women or gays, think her lipstick, porcine or not, is actually a tatoo, which would really put her in the Trailer Park category

[FromWayDowntown]

So tell me FWDT, were you terrified of Bill Clinton when he pushed for line item veto and wanted to remove term limits?

No, because unlike Cheney, Clinton didn't just assume those powers to himself and, instead, went through the appropriate channels to seek approval for those powers.

It's a gigantic difference.

[ChumpDumper]

Big difference between Palin and Cheney FWDT...Cheney's a lawyer, Palin is not. :smokinVP Dick Cheney is not a lawyer and never attended law school.

[whottt]

huh. i didn't know that. that's funny a democrat wanted to remove after it was put in place because of one.



He didn't push for it incredibly hard but he did mention it at the end of his last term...that the people ought to be able to keep a President they like.

[whottt]

VP Dick Cheney is not a lawyer and never attended law school.

You're of course right and I am wrong Chump, my bad.


:lol