VP Debate Blog

[BigZak]

Sarah Palin upstaged Joe Biden all the way, from her handshake and "Okay if I call you Joe?", from which she immediately smiled and scored a point when she saw the befuddled look on his face and immediately chalked up another point by his failure to respond with "Okay if I call you Mrs. Palin?"

Totally unlike Palin, Biden paid little or no attention to the American (and international) viewing public, rarely, rarely looking directly at the camera (us), painfully oblivious to the fact that his words were directed only to the moderator of the debate, thereby wasting precious TV time trying to convince the moderator of Obama's merit, despite the fact that she is already an Obama supporter.

Palin, on the other hand, gained huge amounts of points by cleverly taking every advantage of the visual technique of looking directly at the TV camera, upstaging Biden again and again by bringing herself, her face, voice, and smile, directly into our living rooms. It didn't matter how well or poorly she answered questions -- what we saw was a very earnest young woman who very likely will come through the back door (via the 25th Amendment) to become the Acting President of the United States via who looked directly at us when she spoke and voiced her opinions.

Too bad Joe. You flunked the Palin/Biden debate.


that's actually coherent...who the hell is typing this shit for ducks?!

[Shelly]

WHOTTT happened to Whottt? Where'd he go?

[Trainwreck2100]

Huh?

you double posted

[2centsworth]

That might be the worst take ever. Who wrote it?

:lol that's what I said, but I agree with it more than I agree with you right now.

[Buddy Holly]

That might be the worst take ever. Who wrote it?

Not Ducks, that's for sure. I actually took some of it and searched via google to see what site or blog he CnP'd that from. So far, no luck but it's still early. :lol

[CuckingFunt]

atleast you don't claim to be objective.

Nor do I feel the need to make such a claim.

[T Park]

Holy shit, that's like being ok with Jimmy the Manager at the lone McDonald's in Bulverde potentially becoming the CEO of Google or Microsoft and you, a stock holder, being OK with it.


Its not at all, but whatever floats your boat.

[Kori Ellis]

Oh and from a completely superficial standpoint, she needs to get a new makeup artist - her blush is way too harsh all the time :lol but she had a nice suit.

[Buddy Holly]

you double posted

I did? Didn't notice. :bang

[T Park]

ITS PRONOUNCED NEW-CLEE-ARR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dumb bitch

A personal shot at her, and at shot at her accent.

Well thought out :tu

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I'm still shocked that she would admit to a desire to increase the power of the Vice President. She might be from the Cheney school of expansive executive power, but stating without reservation that she would advocate for further expansion is both amazing and, to me at least, frightening.


This was the biggest mistake she made tonight, one that will be exposed by the media and ripped into like kobe did to that chick.

[CuckingFunt]

I'd rather be for someone who stands by what they say as well.

Well... standing by a vacant stare is pretty easy.

[TheMadHatter]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hQFy9C-miC4/SJ748zAiMaI/AAAAAAAAEGc/rmBtaeREaaE/s1600/baracktax.gif

[Spurminator]

Good lord T Park you have 100 posts in this thread, 75 of which contain personal attacks. You have no room to talk.

[Kori Ellis]

This was the biggest mistake she made tonight, one that will be exposed by the media and ripped into like kobe did to that chick.

Yeah that was a huge mistake.

[T Park]

I honestly have not ever read that and I can't find it. Show me a link. I found one but it doesn't say what you say.

Sorry, when I can learn to link speechs, I'll get back to you.

[T Park]

Good lord T Park you have 100 posts in this thread, 75 of which contain personal attacks. You have no room to talk.

?

:lol

Uh ok.

[Buddy Holly]

Its not at all, but whatever floats your boat.

So someone with almost little experience outside of being Mayor of a tiny town and the governor for the 47th largest state in America, as well as second only to Hawaii in terms of distance from the lower 48, who may have the chance to become VP and the chance to be President isn't like my example? It is and you know it.

"Hey, I'm Jimmy, I have managerial experience. I can be CEO of Microsoft. I can see Microsoft's data center from my house with binoculars. But before I answer that, let me get back to you."

[TheMadHatter]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hQFy9C-miC4/SJ748zAiMaI/AAAAAAAAEGc/rmBtaeREaaE/s1600/baracktax.gif

[Trainwreck2100]

A personal shot at her, and at shot at her accent.

Well thought out :tu


Accent? She's from Alaska and Bush is from Texas and neither can enunciate for shit. If it was a matter of accent two accents thousand miles apart shouldn't make the same mistake. :tu

[T Park]

Well... standing by a vacant stare is pretty easy.

:lol

[TheMadHatter]

TPark how much would your taxes go up under Obama's plan. I posted a nice link for you.

[Spurminator]

This was the biggest mistake she made tonight, one that will be exposed by the media and ripped into like kobe did to that chick.

I really don't think anything will be made of it. The big story of the night seems to be that she finished the debate and didn't start speaking in tongues.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

A personal shot at her, and at shot at her accent.

Well thought out :tu

good job business boy

[T Park]

Accent? She's from Alaska and Bush is from Texas and neither can enunciate for shit. If it was a matter of accent two accents thousand miles apart shouldn't make the same mistake. :tu

??

She has an accent that changes how she enunciates things.

If she could only speak normal I guess.

[T Park]

good job business boy

Thanks.

[ducks]

VP debate fails Americans. We need solutions, not finger pointing. In my opinion, the American people lose, when we vote for a party, instead of great American leaders.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I really don't think anything will be made of it. The big story of the night seems to be that she finished the debate and didn't start speaking in tongues.

The liberal media will have a field day with the fact that she all but agreed VP is part of the legislative branch and its powers should be expanded. Field day. Just wait.

[TheMadHatter]

LOL here Tpark was bragging about how he makes > $250k, turns out he just took over his family business.

:lmao

[T Park]

So someone with almost little experience outside of being Mayor of a tiny town and the governor for the 47th largest state in America, as well as second only to Hawaii in terms of distance from the lower 48, who may have the chance to become VP and the chance to be President isn't like my example? It is and you know it.

"Hey, I'm Jimmy, I have managerial experience. I can be CEO of Microsoft. I can see Microsoft's data center from my house with binoculars. But because I answer that, let me get back to you."


Ahhh, back to bashing Alaska.

[2centsworth]

Biden is the absolute worst of what Washington has to offer. He knocked some of the shine off Obama IMHO. While watching the debate, I couldn't help but think the more Biden talks the worse it is for Obama.

I bet you will never hear from Biden again. Keep opening up the pie hole and they might miraculously lose.

[Trainwreck2100]

So someone with almost little experience outside of being Mayor of a tiny town and the governor for the 47th largest state in America, as well as second only to Hawaii in terms of distance from the lower 48, who may have the chance to become VP and the chance to be President isn't like my example? It is and you know it.

"Hey, I'm Jimmy, I have managerial experience. I can be CEO of Microsoft. I can see Microsoft's data center from my house with binoculars. But because I answer that, let me get back to you."


Hardberger has governed more people than Sarah Palin.

[T Park]

LOL here Tpark was bragging about how he makes > $250k, turns out he just took over his family business.

:lmao

I haven't said what I have done, or did.

So again, you guys are just jumping to conclusions.

[BigZak]

i think ducks is drunk...i can understand him...:lmao

[Buddy Holly]

??

She has an accent that changes how she enunciates things.

If she could only speak normal I guess.

:lol:lol:lol:lmao:lmao:lmao:rollin:rollin:rollin

[Trainwreck2100]

??

She has an accent that changes how she enunciates things.

If she could only speak normal I guess.


If its a matter of accents why does bush make the same mistake?

[Buddy Holly]

Hardberger has governed more people than Sarah Palin.

And I'd prefer that old man as President than the current old man running.

[Kori Ellis]

Biden is the absolute worst of what Washington has to offer. He knocked some of the shine off Obama IMHO. While watching the debate, I couldn't help but think the more Biden talks the worse it is for Obama.

Break down why you think that. Most people I know think he did great tonight - Republicans and Democrats alike.

[CuckingFunt]

??

She has an accent that changes how she enunciates things.

If she could only speak normal I guess.

There is no regional accent that changes "new-clee-ar" to "new-kew-lar." It's a mispronunciation.

[BigZak]

the dems have made up my mind.

they have been adamant that McCain will continue bush's policies and that's good enough for me.

[SpursFanFirst]

OK...I'm back, and it looks as though Hornet hasn't posted that pic.
Boy, that's a shame.

I hope I can sleep tonight. :depressed

[T Park]

If its a matter of accents why does bush make the same mistake?

Cause he can't speak.

They aren't professional speakers and enunciate things differently.

So if you say words perfectly that means your intelligent?

[TheMadHatter]

I don't think the fact that she pronounces nuclear "nu-ku-lur" will go over well with Independents. She is invoking her inner Bush, not a good thing.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If you are making over $250k you are not worrying about your tax levels going back to what they were during the Clinton years. You'd much rather have a strong economy in which your investments are thriving, which would net you far more money than any tax cut would. The bottomline is your lifestyle will not change one iota if tax levels went back to what they were under the Clinton years.

My father makes well over $250k, there are so many tax loopholes for the rich it's ridiculous. I could go into this, but I'm positive he'd rather I not.


Which is why Obama's talk rings hollow. The rich will still find ways to hide their money, and then the middle class will be on the hook for that tab and all of Obama's outrageous spending as well.

Sounds like a great plan to me.

[Buddy Holly]

Ahhh, back to bashing Alaska.

Because I stated a fact, that it is the 47th largest state in population, that's grounds for insult?

Boy, you are one soft peach aren't you. Do you giggle when people poke your tummy?

[Shelly]

i think ducks is drunk...i can understand him...:lmao

:lol

Or you're drunk and he's just making sense!

[T Park]

OK...I'm back, and it looks as though Hornet hasn't posted that pic.
Boy, that's a shame.

I hope I can sleep tonight. :depressed

Ya know, I'm honestly bothered by you WANTING to see what he looks like :lol

JK

[T Park]

Because I stated it was the 47th largest state in population, that's grounds for insult.

Boy, you are one soft peach aren't you.

How about mentioning the size of their budget and what not?

nah.

[CuckingFunt]

Ahhh, back to bashing Alaska.

Geographical/population statistics = bashing?

[Spurminator]

Biden is the absolute worst of what Washington has to offer. He knocked some of the shine off Obama IMHO. While watching the debate, I couldn't help but think the more Biden talks the worse it is for Obama.

I bet you will never hear from Biden again. Keep opening up the pie hole and they might miraculously lose.

I thought Biden came across very well tonight, and I'm no fan of his. I think the polls are indicating that as well.

[T Park]

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Which is why Obama's talk rings hollow. The rich will still find ways to hide their money, and then the middle class will be on the hook for that tab and all of Obama's outrageous spending as well.

Sounds like a great plan to me.


:lol

Aggie needs to post more in here.

[timvp]

I thought it was an interesting debate. It lived up to my expectations.

The smartest thing Biden did was attack McCain instead of Palin. The most dangerous thing he could have done for Obama's sake was get into a verbal confrontation with Palin and allow her and McCain by association to win sympathy points. In the last 30 or so years, Democrats have trailed far behind Republicans in as far as seeing the big picture and understand what the repercussions would be for different tactics. But finally it seems like they figured it out this time around.

Biden used his experience to come across as much more prepared if he were to ascend to the presidency. I don't think anyone can deny that fact. However, I think he made a few mistakes along the way where he lost focus and started making this about himself instead of the Obama/Biden ticket. He obviously has a big ego and it is difficult for him to always keep things about the ticket instead of about himself. I also thought he got lulled into Palin's subject changing game and he'd be led off track by her ramblings and then he'd start rambling himself. The difference is when the two ramble is she still keeps you somewhat engaged, while he puts you to sleep.

I was expecting Palin to fall flat on her face at least a couple times but I thought she actually stayed upright most of the time. Her avoidance of questions was laughable at times and I'm sure some of her answers are going to be torn to pieces once the "fact checkers" get a hold of the transcript. That said, I thought she was better than Biden in terms of realizing she is running with McCain and not just herself. In the middle of the debate, she had a good stretch where she had Biden struggling for words. Biden won the beginning and end of the debate but I thought Palin won a section there in the middle ... which is something I didn't think should could do.

Using no expectations, Biden had to be the technical winner of the debate. But accounting for expectations, I thought Palin held her own. Most will criticize her for changing the topics and twisting the issues to talk about what she wanted to talk about, but that is a debate strategy that has been used as long as there have been debates. While it's probably true she'd do it because she didn't know the answers to the questions, her resume makes it obvious that she isn't going to know enough to out politic Biden. That just wasn't going to happen.

If I had to guess, I'd say the results of the debate will either be neutral or a very slight bump for McCain. I find it hard to believe Biden won many votes, however his goal should have been to just not lose any votes and he very well could have done that.

[Trainwreck2100]

Cause he can't speak.

They aren't professional speakers and enunciate things differently.

So if you say words perfectly that means your intelligent?

So because he "can't speak" he magically says nuclear it the same way that an Alaskan would?

[Shastafarian]

I'm still trying to find this word "nucular" Mrs. Palin kept bringing up. Can anyone help me out? What is "nucular"?

[T Park]

Geographical/population statistics = bashing?

She runs an itty bitty state.


So running a gigantic state = shoe in?

Sorry I guess I'm naive that people that run a state with a large budget thats policies from themselves that have created a large surplus is good governing.

[T Park]

I'm still trying to find this word "nucular" Mrs. Palin kept bringing up. Can anyone help me out? What is "nucular"?

If only she could speak "normal"

[Buddy Holly]

How about mentioning the size of their budget and what not?

nah.

Their ten billion dollar budget that according to websites recently just doubled, so in 2006 it was 5 billion.

Do you know what San Antonio's budget is? 2 billion.

[Shastafarian]

If only she could speak "normal"

Um. If by normal you mean "correct" then yeah I agree. Or are you claiming her accent makes it impossible for her to pronounce a simple word?

[2centsworth]

Break down why you think that. Most people I know think he did great tonight - Republicans and Democrats alike.

the same crap I've heard for years. for example, we're giving tax breaks to big corporations and everyone else is poor. Bush this, Bush that. Nothing new. I could have probably wrote his speech/debate notes myself. And the BS about deregulation causing the subprime mess ticked me off. Partisan politics as usual. Does the guy have an original thought?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

There is no regional accent that changes "new-clee-ar" to "new-kew-lar." It's a mispronunciation.

Little boys that grew up eating 100 jars of gerber food per hour and inherit business valued at over 250k a year don't have to learn things like that, CF.

[T Park]

So because he "can't speak" he magically says nuclear it the same way that an Alaskan would?


:lol

Just because hes an idiot, doesn't mean you can take it out on Alaskans.

[T Park]

Little boys that grew up eating 100 jars of gerber food per hour and inherit business valued at over 250k a year don't have to learn things like that, CF.


I didn't inherit anything but again, continue to assume and talk out of your fucking asses.

[pfcmes]

what the hell is she thinking.... it'll be better, at the end of the day.. ok so we just lost five buildings... but at the end of the day, it will alllll get better... she must look at 9/11 as an opportunity for new jobs... UGH!:bang

[Shelly.]

You truly are a dickhead.

It would be nice to read a topic in this forum without the word dick every time Tpark talks.
:bang

[T Park]

Um. If by normal you mean "correct" then yeah I agree. Or are you claiming her accent makes it impossible for her to pronounce a simple word?

Her accent seems to make her pronounce things differently ala a southern accent changes how one says Oil.

[Buddy Holly]

If only she could speak "normal"

Or pronounce one single goddamn word correctly.

Fuck TPark, do you always take the littlest things and turn them into big shows of drama?

Well, yes, yes you do.

[T Park]

Their ten billion dollar budget that according to websites recently just doubled, so in 2006 it was 5 billion.

Do you know what San Antonio's budget is? 2 billion.


YAY SAN ANTONIO!!!!

[Cant_Be_Faded]

the same crap I've heard for years. for example, we're giving tax breaks to big corporations and everyone else is poor. Bush this, Bush that. Nothing new. I could have probably wrote his speech/debate notes myself. And the BS about deregulation causing the subprime mess ticked me off. Partisan politics as usual. Does the guy have an original thought?



I think you need to step outside of yourself more when you watch shit like this. Ever stop to think he said what he said because that's what he thought would do his agenda best? Maybe he didn't think he had to be original to do good tonight. Maybe he thought if he kept an even keel and just kept bringing up Bush and staying more specific than her he would come out okay?

You have to realize, Biden did not have to do shit tonight. It's not like Biden's performance was ever going to make or break Obama. Wake up.

[T Park]

Or pronounce one single goddamn word correctly.

Fuck TPark, do you always take the littlest things and turn them into big shows of drama?

Well, yes, yes you do.

Yeah if only I could be a plagerist like you and Biden.

[CuckingFunt]

She runs an itty bitty state.


So running a gigantic state = shoe in?

No one here has suggested that.

[Shelly]

It would be nice to read a topic in this forum without the word dick every time Tpark talks.
:bang

Yay! Evil Twin is here! :lol

[Shastafarian]

Her accent seems to make her pronounce things differently ala a southern accent changes how one says Oil.

No. you're wrong. Oil is a single syllable word. A southern draw can affect how you string out that syllable. NUCLEAR has a clear line of pronunciation. You're an idiot.

[T Park]

I think you need to step outside of yourself more when you watch shit like this. Ever stop to think he said what he said because that's what he thought would do his agenda best? Maybe he didn't think he had to be original to do good tonight. Maybe he thought if he kept an even keel and just kept bringing up Bush and staying more specific than her he would come out okay?

You have to realize, Biden did not have to do shit tonight. It's not like Biden's performance was ever going to make or break Obama. Wake up.


I understand what your saying, but I'd like for the guy to stand by what he stood for back in the primaries.

He totally went back on that and has gone back on that time and time again, thats why I've lost respect for him.

[2centsworth]

I think you need to step outside of yourself more when you watch shit like this. Ever stop to think he said what he said because that's what he thought would do his agenda best? Maybe he didn't think he had to be original to do good tonight. Maybe he thought if he kept an even keel and just kept bringing up Bush and staying more specific than her he would come out okay?

You have to realize, Biden did not have to do shit tonight. It's not like Biden's performance was ever going to make or break Obama. Wake up.

on the political side, I guess he did what his team expected. From my perspective, he's a huge part of our problem.

[FromWayDowntown]

the same crap I've heard for years. for example, we're giving tax breaks to big corporations and everyone else is poor. Bush this, Bush that. Nothing new. I could have probably wrote his speech/debate notes myself. And the BS about deregulation causing the subprime mess ticked me off. Partisan politics as usual. Does the guy have an original thought?

I thought Biden's most brilliant rhetorical moment of the evening came when Palin tried to call him on looking backwards and Biden's response was about 30 seconds of examples of McCain's identity of policy with Bush. It illustrated "McSame" but without using that term.

[CuckingFunt]

:lol

Just because hes an idiot, doesn't mean you can take it out on Alaskans.

I have family that has lived in Alaska for most of my life. I can assure you that "new-kew-lar" is not the regional pronunciation.

[TheMadHatter]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I expect the people I vote into office to be smarter than I am and better equipped than I am to deal with our nation's problems.

I wouldn't give Palin the time of day if she was a Democrat or a Republican. She fails on just about any standard I can think of.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Everyone like Tpark is going to think like Tpark and everyone like Tpark's liberal doppleganger is going to stay that way too.

These debates are all about grabbing people in the middle. Who cares if someone drowning in elephant juices came away from this debate even more convinced that Palin is the shit? It's irrelevant. What is important is to attempt to gauge how people in the middle were swayed by little comedic reliefs like this debate.

And I think its still pretty damned even.

[T Park]

No. you're wrong. Oil is a single syllable word. A southern draw can affect how you string out that syllable. NUCLEAR has a clear line of pronunciation. You're an idiot.


Southern guy says Oil like ole

she pronounces it differently cause of her midwestern accent.

Just like instead of Spoon. She might say Spoon in that fargo esque way.

[ducks]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/02/debate.transcript/index.html
Transcript of Palin, Biden debate

[Buddy Holly]

Yeah if only I could be a plagerist like you and Biden.

What? It's plagiarist fat ass (yes, you've said 50 times you're not overweight anymore bullshit, but I could care less) so next time you want to seem lame and bring that up again, you'll now know how to spell it correctly.

[Shastafarian]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I expect the people I vote into office to be smarter than I am and better equipped than I am to deal with our nation's problems.

I wouldn't give Palin the time of day if she was a Democrat or a Republican. She fails on just about any standard I can think of.

If I hear her say "Hockey Mom" one more time I'm going to jab sharp things in my ears.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

the same crap I've heard for years. for example, we're giving tax breaks to big corporations and everyone else is poor. Bush this, Bush that. Nothing new. I could have probably wrote his speech/debate notes myself. And the BS about deregulation causing the subprime mess ticked me off. Partisan politics as usual. Does the guy have an original thought?

I know we disagree on who we're voting for this fall, but I agree with you on this.

I actually thought Palin made a great point when she brought up that all Biden wanted to do is blame Bush and look in the past, when America needed to move forward with new leadership.

Some other Biden "highlights"

* Saying Iran was a long way from a bomb, then in a response to Palin's counter saying that Iran was on the march to a bomb in the near future. WTF?

* Suggesting judges should be able to adjust principle amounts on loans. Uh, yeah, that will do WONDERS for the credit markets

* Trying to claim the moral high ground for Obama on legislation about Fannie/Freddie two years ago, when it's been fact checked already that McCain was the one who first rolled out a bill in 2005.

* We get it, you want to blame everything on Bush and Republicans. Fine, but don't turn around and say you and Obama are going to make it peace, love, and bipartisanship in D.C. Hypocrite.

I actually give both candidates a pass on going back to old topics as part of their answers. I don't think the 2 minutes/1 minute rebuttal format lent itself to them being able to completely finish what they had to say, and both went back to prior questions a couple of times to finish their response. Standard debating technique.

[T Park]

No one here has suggested that.

Then why bring up the size of state she governs then?

[Shastafarian]

Southern guy says Oil like ole

she pronounces it differently cause of her midwestern accent.

Just like instead of Spoon. She might say Spoon in that fargo esque way.

Again. One syllable word. If she pronounced one syllable or the other in nuclear differently then ok, you'd be right. But she changes the damn word.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol

Just because hes an idiot, doesn't mean you can take it out on Alaskans.


I'm not taking it out on alaskans you are. You just called him an idiot for the way he talks and admit they talk the same way

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Or pronounce one single goddamn word correctly.

Fuck TPark, do you always take the littlest things and turn them into big shows of drama?

Well, yes, yes you do.

Sincerely, Shastafarian, others on this thread bitching about nuclear. Do you all always take the littlest thing and turn it into big shows of drama?

Well, yes, yes you do.

[Spurminator]

She might say Spoon in that fargo esque way.

She wouldn't say "sepone" though.

[T Park]

What? It's plagiarist fat ass (yes, you've said 50 times you're not overweight anymore bullshit, but I could care less) so next time you want to seem lame and bring that up again, you'll now know how to spell it correctly.


No problem.

[Shelly]

What? It's plagiarist fat ass (yes, you've said 50 times you're not overweight anymore bullshit, but I could care less) so next time you want to seem lame and bring that up again, you'll now know how to spell it correctly.

Um...the correct term is couldn't care less.

I'm just sayin'

[2centsworth]

I thought Biden's most brilliant rhetorical moment of the evening came when Palin tried to call him on looking backwards and Biden's response was about 30 seconds of examples of McCain's identity of policy with Bush. It illustrated "McSame" but without using that term.

well, if you think that helps the country by all means. I thought when Biden said Obama wasn't qualified to lead was a great point. If I'm the republicans, I say the more of Biden the better.

[T Park]

I'm not taking it out on alaskans you are. You just called him an idiot for the way he talks and admit they talk the same way

I never said that.

Fuck, your worse than the fucking poll guy on Fox News.

[FromWayDowntown]

Um...the correct term is couldn't care less.

I'm just sayin'

pwnt.

[Shastafarian]

Sincerely, Shastafarian, others on this thread bitching about nuclear. Do you all always take the littlest thing and turn it into big shows of drama?

Well, yes, yes you do.

Trust me, her not being able to pronounce nuclear is the smallest of my objections to her performance tonight. My favorite moment was when she wouldn't answer a bankruptcy law question. She decided she wanted to talk about energy instead. Ridiculous.

[Buddy Holly]

Then why bring up the size of state she governs then?

Because not only has she only been there since 2006, the size of a state you Governor (and in terms of Alaska the geographical location) and the relavence it has within the United States are pretty fucking important.

Being Governor of the largest state for 2 years is remarkably different than being Governor of the 47th largest state.

So let's assume your response as typical will be:

"So you're saying only Governors of the largest state are equipped to run for VP or P."

No.

[T Park]

She wouldn't say "sepone" though.

You'd be suprised what Minnesota people say.

Before you guys attack me on that, Alaskans and Minnesotans have the same accent.

[FromWayDowntown]

well, if you think that helps the country by all means. I thought when Biden said Obama wasn't qualified to lead was a great point. If I'm the republicans, I say the more of Biden the better.

I think it drives home the point -- a reasonable one at that -- that there's little substantive difference between McCain and Bush; and we've all seen the results of Bush policies.

[T Park]

Because not only has she only been there since 2006, the size of a state you Governor and the relavence it has within the United States are pretty fucking important.

So the fact her state has large amounts of energy resources doesn't account for anything?

[CuckingFunt]

She wouldn't say "sepone" though.

Or "soopin."

Or "snoop."

Or "psoon."

[TheMadHatter]

She knows how to correctly pronounce nuclear. She is pronouncing it "nu-ku-lur" on purpose to appeal to the GWB base.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Trust me, her not being able to pronounce nuclear is the smallest of my objections to her performance tonight. My favorite moment was when she wouldn't answer a bankruptcy law question. She decided she wanted to talk about energy instead. Ridiculous.

Biden took a question directed to him and went back to a prior topic as well. Hang him!

[Kori Ellis]

... My favorite moment was when she wouldn't answer a bankruptcy law question. She decided she wanted to talk about energy instead. Ridiculous.

That was when I wished the mediator had a buzzer and could just cut them off. You shouldn't just be able to absolutely refuse to answer a question just because it's not one of your memorized talking points.

[Mr. Peabody]

THE NUKULAR OPTION

Why is it that President Eisenhower pronounced the word nukular, as does Bush II (and President Carter nu-kyir), when most educated speakers know that the word is pronounced NU-klee-er? It can't be ignorance; they were each corrected a thousand times. Is it some mysterious force in the air of the Oval Office -- or does the linguistic area of presidential brains create a synapse that snaps differently from most of us?

We are dealing here with a phenomenon called metathesis (pronounced mih-TATH-uh-sis), the switching of two adjacent sounds within a word. Many of us replace an unfamiliar sequence of phonemes (the smallest units of speech sounds) with a familiar one. The only other common English word that rhymes with nuclear is the unfamiliar cochlear. But in our spectacular language, there are dozens of words like secular, vascular, jocular and molecular, and our brains are tempted to make nuclear fit that familiar pattern. (I can even hear a variant ''cochular option.'')

The Harvard cognitive scientist Steven Pinker informs me that ''a person mishears a sonorant consonant (like l or r or y) followed by a vowel as a vowel followed by a consonant. This can happen because the two sounds are acoustically similar -- they literally look alike on an oscilloscope. Presumably the respective neural patterns that arise when a person hears them are similar as well.'' (I'll have to test this on my home magnetoencephalograph.)

Pinker says he thinks that the brain may represent the ''set'' of speech sounds separately from their ''order.'' Sometimes that order gets lost. ''When this happens in the production of speech (as opposed to comprehension),'' he points out, ''the result is a Spoonerism such as 'It is now kisstomary to cuss the bride.' '' That's what caused a radio announcer to introduce President Coolidge's successor as ''Hoobert Heever.''

''When it happens consistently in comprehension,'' Pinker notes, ''the person might file away in his mental dictionary an incorrectly ordered pronunciation for the word: nuky'lr instead of nukly'r. He will then consistently pronounce the word with the alternative order of phonemes.''

The way to straighten out your mental dictionary, if you have this ''nukular'' problem, is to train your brain to think of the word not as three syllables but as two words: new and clear. Or you can wait until they bring back atomic.

[Trainwreck2100]

:lol

Just because hes an idiot, doesn't mean you can take it out on Alaskans.


Southern guy says Oil like ole

she pronounces it differently cause of her midwestern accent.

Just like instead of Spoon. She might say Spoon in that fargo esque way.


????

[2centsworth]

I know we disagree on who we're voting for this fall, but I agree with you on this.

I actually thought Palin made a great point when she brought up that all Biden wanted to do is blame Bush and look in the past, when America needed to move forward with new leadership.

Some other Biden "highlights"

* Saying Iran was a long way from a bomb, then in a response to Palin's counter saying that Iran was on the march to a bomb in the near future. WTF?

* Suggesting judges should be able to adjust principle amounts on loans. Uh, yeah, that will do WONDERS for the credit markets

* Trying to claim the moral high ground for Obama on legislation about Fannie/Freddie two years ago, when it's been fact checked already that McCain was the one who first rolled out a bill in 2005.

* We get it, you want to blame everything on Bush and Republicans. Fine, but don't turn around and say you and Obama are going to make it peace, love, and bipartisanship in D.C. Hypocrite.

I actually give both candidates a pass on going back to old topics as part of their answers. I don't think the 2 minutes/1 minute rebuttal format lent itself to them being able to completely finish what they had to say, and both went back to prior questions a couple of times to finish their response. Standard debating technique.

you'll find that I agree with you on 90% of the issues, but the problem is the Republicans aren't walking the walk IMO.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

I have one question....what exactly was Biden's position on Gay Marriage?

[Kori Ellis]

Biden took a question directed to him and went back to a prior topic as well. Hang him!

Come on AHF. Be fucking real. She absolutely refused to answer. He went back to a prior topic AND then answered the question. She just refused to answer questions that she was too dumb to know an answer. That's ridiculous.

[T Park]

I think it drives home the point -- a reasonable one at that -- that there's little substantive difference between McCain and Bush; and we've all seen the results of Bush policies.


Ugh....

[Shelly]

Do they have an idea what questions are going to be asked beforehand?

[ducks]

* Suggesting judges should be able to adjust principle amounts on loans. Uh, yeah, that will do WONDERS for the credit markets

great point
lets go buy a 500k house and then then go to the judge and say I cna not afford it
reduce the princal

[T Park]

I have one question....what exactly was Biden's position on Gay Marriage?


Missionary?

[Shastafarian]

Biden took a question directed to him and went back to a prior topic as well. Hang him!

He went back to respond to her!!! She brought up energy out of nowhere. Her answer to him saying John McCain was not in favor of something was, "No we don't. And since that was a short answer I'd like to go to my record...blah blah blah...ENERGY....blah blah blah." Are you fucking kidding me?

[T Park]

Do they have an idea what questions are going to be asked beforehand?


I think they do honestly.

[CuckingFunt]

You'd be suprised what Minnesota people say.

Before you guys attack me on that, Alaskans and Minnesotans have the same accent.

No. No they don't.

[FromWayDowntown]

Ugh....

If I was supporting McCain, I think I'd say the same thing.

[Shastafarian]

Do they have an idea what questions are going to be asked beforehand?

No

[T Park]

Maybe if she could state about the 57 states of America then she could be considered "smart"

[T Park]

No. No they don't.

Of course not.

I've never been there, you have, you have the farrrr superior experience.

Pardon me.

[Buddy Holly]

Sincerely, Shastafarian, others on this thread bitching about nuclear. Do you all always take the littlest thing and turn it into big shows of drama?

Well, yes, yes you do.

I could care less how someone pronounces nuclear, as long as they understand the what the hell the word means.

My point with that post was explaining what the poster meant and how TPark takes the little things and creates unnecessary drama over it. Case in point, my stating the size of Alaska as being some type of insult to Alaska.

[Trainwreck2100]

I never said that.

Fuck, your worse than the fucking poll guy on Fox News.

and I never said any blanket statements putting down Alaskans that didn't stop you from insinuating that i did

[T Park]

If I was supporting McCain, I think I'd say the same thing.


He doesn't but whatever rhetoric makes you happy.

[Kori Ellis]

I have one question....what exactly was Biden's position on Gay Marriage?

Same as the Republicans, I believe... wants gay couples to have some civil rights (insurance, hospital visits, etc).

[ChumpDumper]

I have one question....what exactly was Biden's position on Gay Marriage?Not for government calling it marriage. That's about the only opposition to it I saw.

[TheMadHatter]

I'm not going to sit here and call Palin and idiot and say she doesn't have a brain. She clearly does, you don't get to where she got by being a complete moron.

She's just not qualified to President or Vice President and that is all that matters to me.

[2centsworth]

I think it drives home the point -- a reasonable one at that -- that there's little substantive difference between McCain and Bush; and we've all seen the results of Bush policies.

biden didn't drive any points home IMO. in fact, he reminds me more of the establishment than does anyone else. when it came to talking about ideas for the future, Biden was a huge loser in my eyes.

[T Park]

I could care less how someone pronounces nuclear, as long as they understand the what the hell the word means.

My point with that post was explaining what the poster meant and how TPark takes the little things and creates unnecessary drama over it. Case in point, my stating the size of Alaska as being some type of insult to Alaska.


It does because shes only "Been running Alaska" I take it means that she has to run some other state to be more qualified.

[FromWayDowntown]

Come on AHF. Be fucking real. She absolutely refused to answer. He went back to a prior topic AND then answered the question. She just refused to answer questions that she was too dumb to know an answer. That's ridiculous.

That dodge, very early on, from defending McCain's health care plan from Biden's criticisms was really odd to me. Ifill gave Palin a chance to deal with some pretty heavy accusations about McCain's plan and Palin not only didn't answer that question but also acknowledged that she simply wasn't going to answer all of the questions. It was really odd, since Biden had really put the issue on the table and Ifill was, IIRC, simply giving Palin a chance to respond.

[SpursFanFirst]

No. No they don't.

I've lived in both northern and southern MN, and I think the northerners sounds pretty close to Palin...just my personal observation.

[Shelly]

So much for my grammar lesson. :lol

[FromWayDowntown]

He doesn't but whatever rhetoric makes you happy.

You can detail for me the many ways in which McCain departs from Bush policies on key issues?

[Trainwreck2100]

Sincerely, Shastafarian, others on this thread bitching about nuclear. Do you all always take the littlest thing and turn it into big shows of drama?

Well, yes, yes you do.

After 8 years of Bush I'm tired of this countries representatives talking uneducated.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He went back to respond to her!!! She brought up energy out of nowhere. Her answer to him saying John McCain was not in favor of something was, "No we don't. And since that was a short answer I'd like to go to my record...blah blah blah...ENERGY....blah blah blah." Are you fucking kidding me?


Yeah, she answered the question with an emphatic no first. So now you're bitching because she didn't talk like a politician about it for two minutes?

Fuck man, get real.

[FromWayDowntown]

biden didn't drive any points home IMO. in fact, he reminds me more of the establishment than does anyone else. when it came to talking about ideas for the future, Biden was a huge loser in my eyes.

Well, as you and CF acknowledged a while back, you certainly weren't inclined to find merit in anything Biden said from the jump, right?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

biden didn't drive any points home IMO. in fact, he reminds me more of the establishment than does anyone else. when it came to talking about ideas for the future, Biden was a huge loser in my eyes.

I honestly think if you want a good barometer of the majority opinion of this debate you should read your posts but opposite.

[Buddy Holly]

It does because shes only "Been running Alaska" I take it means that she has to run some other state to be more qualified.

Again, there's a difference. The sooner you can understand and then admit it the better off you'll be.

[timvp]

Partisanship is awesome.

McCain is up against a candidate that isn't your typical male WASP who brings ideas of hope and change. His biggest weapon against the candidate is his lack of experience. So he tabs a non-male WASP who brings ideas of hope and change but lacks experience.

Obama is up against a candidate that is a typical male WASP who is considered an outspoken member of the senate and brings experience to the table. His biggest weapon against the candidate is that he has too much experience and doesn't offer change. So he tabs a male WASP who is an outspoken member of the senate but doesn't offer any type of change.

And then the partisan happy fanboys rip on the other party's vice president candidate for the same reasons their president candidate gets trashed. It's so damn entertaining :lmao

[T Park]

I've lived in both northern and southern MN, and I think the northerners sounds pretty close to Palin...just my personal observation.

I have family that lives there and I visit up there every winter.

They do talk like that. What do I know though.

[Mr. Peabody]

biden didn't drive any points home IMO. in fact, he reminds me more of the establishment than does anyone else. when it came to talking about ideas for the future, Biden was a huge loser in my eyes.

What ideas for the future did Palin enunciate during this debate?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I have one question....what exactly was Biden's position on Gay Marriage?

Basically said that people should be free to what they want to do, but the gvt. shouldn't recognize anything other than a man and woman as marriage. He basically agreed with Palin

[2centsworth]

You can detail for me the many ways in which McCain departs from Bush policies on key issues?

spending! Environment! Energy!

but I get the strategy of the comparison, because it doesn't require dems to think.

[T Park]

Again, there's a difference. The sooner you can understand and then admit it the better off you'll be.

No I don't see the difference between govenor of one state being better than the other just due to their "population"

[Shastafarian]

Yeah, she answered the question with an emphatic no first. So now you're bitching because she didn't talk like a politician about it for two minutes?

Fuck man, get real.

God you're hopeless. The question was to her. She had a chance to clarify McCain's or her own position on the matter. She had no idea what position to have. "That was a short answer so I'd like to go to..." Are you fucking serious? If Ifill was a good moderator she would have cut her off and said, "that's your answer, we'll move on." I need to get real?

[Kori Ellis]

Yeah, she answered the question with an emphatic no first. So now you're bitching because she didn't talk like a politician about it for two minutes?

Fuck man, get real.
She refused to answer questions. For example, the moderator directly asked her to answer about McCain's support of the de-regulation of Wall Street. She refused.

Go re-watch the debate. It seems like you missed a lot.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Side note, how many were tuned into Fox News just now?

Dick Morris and Alan Colmbes just got into it, holy shit that was awesome. Someone find the youtube on this one.

[T Park]

Partisanship is awesome.

McCain is up against a candidate that isn't your typical male WASP who brings ideas of hope and change. His biggest weapon against the candidate is his lack of experience. So he tabs a non-male WASP who brings ideas of hope and change but lacks experience.

Obama is up against a candidate that is a typical male WASP who is considered an outspoken member of the senate and brings experience to the table. His biggest weapon against the candidate is that he has too much experience and doesn't offer change. So he tabs a male WASP who is an outspoken member of the senate but doesn't offer any type of change.

And then the partisan happy fanboys rip on the other party's vice president candidate for the same reasons their president candidate gets trashed. It's so damn entertaining :lmao

I only ripped his ideas, never that he isn't qualified.

I didn't get into the qualified debate until people decided to start ripping Palin.

BTW, if McCain wins, you've got the answer to "What will the people that have that serious hatred for Bush will do"

[Buddy Holly]

No I don't see the difference between govenor of one state being better than the other just due to their "population"

Holy shit, it's like you read the words but then your brain says "Stop, do not enter."

[T Park]

Holy shit, it's like you read the words but your brain says "Stop, do not enter."


:lol

Then explain what you fucking mean then jerkoff.

[2centsworth]

She refused to answer questions. For example, the moderator directly asked her to answer about McCain's support of the de-regulation of Wall Street. She refused.

Go re-watch the debate. It seems like you missed a lot.

because it was a dumb question. I was pissed she didn't mention frank raines and james johnson though.

[2centsworth]

Side note, how many were tuned into Fox News just now?

Dick Morris and Alan Colmbes just got into it, holy shit that was awesome. Someone find the youtube on this one.

describe it

[T Park]

I was pissed she didn't do a Peter Burns and do the "How come you think Obama is qualified now, and before you said he wasn't. Palin out" :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think LJ and 2cents have had the best takes in this thread.

And I think the overwhelming consensus should be that no matter which party wins, we're fucked :lol

[Buddy Holly]

:lol

Then explain what you fucking mean then jerkoff.

I did. Go back and read and tell your brain to shut the fuck up.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh and from a completely superficial standpoint, she needs to get a new makeup artist - her blush is way too harsh all the time :lol but she had a nice suit.

LOL Jess said the exact same thing about the blush.

[2centsworth]

Partisanship is awesome.

McCain is up against a candidate that isn't your typical male WASP who brings ideas of hope and change. His biggest weapon against the candidate is his lack of experience. So he tabs a non-male WASP who brings ideas of hope and change but lacks experience.

Obama is up against a candidate that is a typical male WASP who is considered an outspoken member of the senate and brings experience to the table. His biggest weapon against the candidate is that he has too much experience and doesn't offer change. So he tabs a male WASP who is an outspoken member of the senate but doesn't offer any type of change.

And then the partisan happy fanboys rip on the other party's vice president candidate for the same reasons their president candidate gets trashed. It's so damn entertaining :lmao

we're doomed.

[Buddy Holly]

:lol

Then explain what you fucking mean then jerkoff.

:depressed

[Shastafarian]

BIDEN: ...That would keep people in their homes, actually help banks by keeping it from going under. But John McCain, as I understand it -- I'm not sure of this, but I believe John McCain and the governor don't support that.

There are ways to help people now. And there -- ways that we're offering are not being supported by -- by the Bush administration nor do I believe by John McCain and Gov. Palin.

IFILL: Gov. Palin, is that so?

PALIN: That is not so, but because that's just a quick answer, I want to talk about, again, my record on energy versus your ticket's energy ticket, also.



Seriously?

[Shelly]

And I think the overwhelming consensus should be that no matter which party wins, we're fucked :lol

:tu

Seriously, does anyone think anything is really going to change?

[Kori Ellis]

And I think the overwhelming consensus should be that no matter which party wins, we're fucked :lol

Oh I think everyone agrees there. Start putting your money in your mattress and you should be okay :lol (Well except for TPark because he's in the $250K+ tax bracket).

[ChumpDumper]

Both candidates debated hard.

[T Park]

I think LJ and 2cents have had the best takes in this thread.

And I think the overwhelming consensus should be that no matter which party wins, we're fucked :lol

I disagree, I think Obama, if hes reigned in from his spending, and I think McCain is OK in a sense, both of em are better than Bush.

[T Park]

Oh I think everyone agrees there. Start putting your money in your mattress and you should be okay :lol (Well except for TPark because he's in the $250K+ tax bracket).



Have fun, I'm done here.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

describe it

They had Morris on, and asked him what he thought.

He started running down why he thought Palin did a good job tonight. Colmes cut him off and started going down this laundry list of liberal talking points (I swear, it sounded like he had an Obama campaign memo in front of him), and then Dick basically said 'shut the fuck up. You asked me what I thought, I'm trying to tell you, quit being such a partisan hack and let me finish what I had to say.'

It was hilarious.

[SpursFanFirst]

Ya know, I'm honestly bothered by you WANTING to see what he looks like :lol

JK

:lol I'll be the first to admit I tend to have an obsessive side...but I'm over the picture thing now....I think.
We'll see how I feel in the morning.

But he DID take a shot at my pic, so...

[ducks]

Biden wins debate, Palin exceeds expectations
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/02/poll-biden-wins-debate-palin-exceeds-expectations/

[Kori Ellis]

LOL Jess said the exact same thing about the blush.

It's bad. I wanted to give her a tissue to wipe some off. That's been twice now. She needs more of a pink and less orange. :lol

[Buddy Holly]

:tu

Seriously, does anyone think anything is really going to change?

Personally, yeah I do. I don't think it could get any worse than what we had the last 8 years.

[Buddy Holly]

They had Morris on, and asked him what he thought.

He started running down why he thought Palin did a good job tonight. Colmes cut him off and started going down this laundry list of liberal talking points (I swear, it sounded like he had an Obama campaign memo in front of him), and then Dick basically said 'shut the fuck up. You asked me what I thought, I'm trying to tell you, quit being such a partisan hack and let me finish what I had to say.'

It was hilarious.

Sounds like it.... :sleep

[Anti.Hero]

Oh I think everyone agrees there. Start putting your money in your mattress and you should be okay :lol (Well except for TPark because he's in the $250K+ tax bracket).


The wealthy are the best at hiding money. No mattress needed.

[timvp]

It's bad. I wanted to give her a tissue to wipe some off. That's been twice now. She needs more of a pink and less orange. :lolI think they may be trying to counterbalance the fact that McCain looks like a walking corpse half the time so they make her look extra alive. Either that or perhaps she needs to hire a new makeup artist :drunk

[ducks]

Clinton weighs in
Posted: 11:10 PM ET
Senator Hillary Clinton issued a statement praising Bidens performance.
Senator Hillary Clinton issued a statement praising Bidens performance.

(CNN) — Hillary Clinton issued a statement shortly after the debate praising Joe Biden's performance:

“Tonight's debate underscored the stark choice American families face in this election," she said. “I've known Senator Biden a long time – as Americans saw tonight, he is a strong, passionate and experienced leader. Like Barack Obama, Joe Biden understands both the economic stresses here at home and the strategic challenges in Iraq, Afghanistan, and around the world.

“We saw yet again that Senator McCain and Sarah Palin will offer only more of the same failed policies of the Bush Administration. America's hardworking Middle Class families deserve better.”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
biden must be scared

[Kori Ellis]

The wealthy are the best at hiding money. No mattress needed.

It's called a joke, thus the laughing face.

[ducks]

Personally, yeah I do. I don't think it could get any worse than what we had the last 8 years.

yeah to bad computers could not have come out under bush instead of clinton
that is the only thing that saved clinton

[Buddy Holly]

I think they may be trying to counterbalance the fact that McCain looks like a walking corpse half the time so they make her look extra alive. Either that or perhaps she needs to hire a new makeup artist :drunk

I think the best counterbalance would be if Palin in the middle of the debate or an interview just began to raise the roof. :downspin:

Too much?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Oh I think everyone agrees there. Start putting your money in your mattress and you should be okay :lol (Well except for TPark because he's in the $250K+ tax bracket).

Yeah, I just had an epiphany there. We've gone 37 pages on the freakin' vice presidential debate, and in the end it doesn't really matter. D.C. will still fuck the rest of us over for their own interests in the end.

*sigh*

[Buddy Holly]

yeah to bad computers could not have come out under bush instead of clinton
that is the only thing that saved clinton

What? :lol

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

I have one question....what exactly was Biden's position on Gay Marriage?

He's for it in a governmental sense but he framed it in a civil sense. It was quite brilliant, IMO. He said that he was against it and threw in the word civil so just to mean that he didn't want churches etc etc being told who they had to marry. The thing is most people who care about this shit aren't going to pick up on the "civil" qualifier.

[Anti.Hero]

It's called a joke, thus the laughing face.

I know, I was just sayin'

[tp2021]

Yeah, I just had an epiphany there. We've gone 37 pages on the freakin' vice presidential debate, and in the end it doesn't really matter. D.C. will still fuck the rest of us over for their own interests in the end.

*sigh*

+∞

[timvp]

I think the best counterbalance would be if Palin in the middle of the debate or an interview just began to raise the roof. :downspin:

Too much?She's already giving shout outs and talking about "back 'n da day" so she's halfway there.

[td4mvp21]

Sorry, when I can learn to link speechs, I'll get back to you.

Find it in writing if you want it to be considered legit. Politicians, and that includes McCain and Obama, will say anything.

[ducks]

What? :lol

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

the .com age and lower computer prices made the ecomony great with clinton
NOT CLINTON

[TheMadHatter]

I wonder why TPark never answered my question. He keeps complaining about his taxes being raised, I asked him to go look at Obama's tax plan and take a look at how much his taxes will go up.

It turns out if you make between $227k-603k your taxes will go up a whopping $12. TPark your taxes will go up $12.

[Mr. Peabody]

My problem with Biden in this debate was that he answered questions at a very superficial level for the most part. He often spoke in generalities. I don't know if it was the format of the debate or his opponent, but he didn't display much of the "expertise" on issues that he was supposed to bring to the ticket.

He also had a tendency to follow Palin down the rabbit trail. When her answer wasn't in response to the question asked, Biden would respond to her answer and then try to respond to the question that was initially asked. It made his answer sound disjointed. It's like he was trying to dance to the beat of a mad drummer.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Some transcribed highlights of Morris vs. Colmes (all from Morris)


Alan, why do you insist on using sentiments on me to get reading practice on your talking points...
Save that for a Republican.


If you are going to have me on you are going to listen to what I have to say...
As far as I'm concerned in the last debate I said that I thought Obama won and this debate I think that she won and I don't think that objectivity and fairness deserves your just spewing the talking points that you've been handed.



You are incredible Alan, you are absolutely incredible.
Is it that you can't think, or that you only know how to read those talking points...

[Buddy Holly]

the .com age and lower computer prices made the ecomony great with clinton
NOT CLINTON

Computers have been around for a while now. Maybe you meant personal computers? If so, those have been around since the 80's.

If you're talking the dot com era, and it becoming huge, well, that really didn't occur until the late 90's.

Clinton barely felt it.

[MannyIsGod]

I think she shoudl have given Joe Biden a fist bump. Then she would probably have won the debate.

[Spurminator]

Yeah, I just had an epiphany there. We've gone 37 pages on the freakin' vice presidential debate, and in the end it doesn't really matter. D.C. will still fuck the rest of us over for their own interests in the end.

*sigh*

For me this thread is less about the actual debate and more a sad reflection of our willingness to forgive and accept absolute mockeries of the highest positions in our government because of the lack of decent options we're given to fill those positions.

[Shastafarian]

Colmes is a pissant. He's a wuss but I don't think he's stupid. Dick Morris is just an asshole who is usually wrong.

[td4mvp21]

Have fun, I'm done here.

Good. No more personal attacks in this thread.

[ChumpDumper]

Palin stopped the bleeding tonight, but did nothing to regain any ground for the McCain campaign. She can never do a straight interview again though, because someone is going to nail her for wanting to somehow expand the vice-president's power after the Cheney disaster.

Biden didn't say anything stupid and didn't take any bait. Seemed like he was talking past Palin by referencing McCain almost exclusively, but that's really all that was needed.

[ploto]

Fifty-one percent of those polled thought Biden did the best job in Thursday night's debate, while 36 percent thought Palin did the best job.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/02/poll-biden-wins-debate-palin-exceeds-expectations/

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I wonder why TPark never answered my question. He keeps complaining about his taxes being raised, I asked him to go look at Obama's tax plan and take a look at how much his taxes will go up.

It turns out if you make between $227k-603k your taxes will go up a whopping $12. TPark your taxes will go up $12.

Again, Obama thinks he's going to tax that top 5% to pay for everyone else.

What happens when they find loopholes to hide their money, or say fuck it and move all their assets to Dubai, Ireland, New Zealand, etc. and tell Obama and co. to piss off?

Then the tax burden gets shifted to the rest of us! Yay!

[TheMadHatter]

The conservatives are especially sour because they know this election is over. Obama is going to win and they will have to see a black man as President for the next 4-8 years and it kills them.

[CuckingFunt]

He also had a tendency to follow Palin down the rabbit trail. When her answer wasn't in response to the question asked, Biden would respond to her answer and then try to respond to the question that was initially asked. It made his answer sound disjointed. It's like he was trying to dance to the beat of a mad drummer.

Tough position to be in, really -- he doesn't follow her rapid subject changes and all of us are talking about Biden being too afraid to address her points.

[Anti.Hero]

How do you say Exxon in Chinese? Just wondering.

[SpursFanFirst]

The wealthy are the best at hiding money. No mattress needed.

Not Helio Castroneves! :lol

link: http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/racing/indycar/news/story?id=3622661

[TheMadHatter]

Again, Obama thinks he's going to tax that top 5% to pay for everyone else.

What happens when they find loopholes to hide their money, or say fuck it and move all their assets to Dubai, Ireland, New Zealand, etc. and tell Obama and co. to piss off?

Then the tax burden gets shifted to the rest of us! Yay!

They didn't do this under Clinton's tax levels, so why would you assume they would when Obama puts taxes back to those levels?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The conservatives are especially sour because they know this election is over. Obama is going to win and they will have to see a black man as President for the next 4-8 years and it kills them.

Way to play the race card. Is that all you have?

I'm bitter because I'm watching my country that I love fall apart. Bush has done a horrible job as president, and for that he should never be forgiven.

But if you think Obama won't move this country even further down the path to destruction and collective financial insolvency with his socialist platform, you're a fucking idiot.

I don't think McCain is the answer, but Obama's an even worse choice, which is why I'm backing McCain. Either way, with the candidates we have we move a little bit closer to that point of no return that once passed means the collapse of this nation as a superpower, and more practically and of concern to me and you, as a great place to live.

All you idiot Obama nuthuggers seem unwilling or unable to recognize the inherent danger in his platform and see his collective body of work (reading his books, looking at the influences on his life, etc.) for what it is.

[MannyIsGod]

How does Dick Morris get paid to be a pundit? The man's a fucking idiot. You should look at his electoral maps and his articles. They're the biggest crock of shit I've ever come across in my life. He's just so..so..fucking stupid?

[ElNono]

My impression from the debate is that Palin convinced me she's actually not stupid. At the same time, it also made me feel like she just doesn't have the knowledge that the position she's seeking requires. She did well tonight, just not game-changing well.
I thought Biden did well overall. I was really expecting at least an outburst from him, and he not only did not do it, he came out as pretty serious (even though I don't necessarily agree with some of his talking points).

At the end of the day, neither had a major blunder, and that's what probably both campaigns wanted. 30 days to go, and it's all going to be on McCain and Obama now.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Why does Palin always make sure everyone takes a turn holding her baby when they are on tv? I know this is gay, but its true. First the preggo is holding her, then she grabs her, then she transfers the baby to the other kid. It's like some kind of subliminal republican tactic to explain to america they're just like us.

[Mr. Peabody]

Tough position to be in, really -- he doesn't follow her rapid subject changes and all of us are talking about Biden being too afraid to address her points.

Well, and this is where I felt that Ifill could have done a better job. When the subject deviated from the question she asked, she did not try to keep the conversation related to her initial subject. She would either ask a follow-up on the unrelated subject being discussed or she would just move on.

[Shastafarian]

Dick Morris is just an asshole who is usually wrong.


How does Dick Morris get paid to be a pundit? The man's a fucking idiot. You should look at his electoral maps and his articles. They're the biggest crock of shit I've ever come across in my life. He's just so..so..fucking stupid?


You forgot asshole.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Way to play the race card. Is that all you have?

I'm bitter because I'm watching my country that I love fall apart. Bush has done a horrible job as president, and for that he should never be forgiven.

But if you think Obama won't move this country even further down the path to destruction and collective financial insolvency with his socialist platform, you're a fucking idiot.

I don't think McCain is the answer, but Obama's an even worse choice, which is why I'm backing McCain. Either way, with the candidates we have we move a little bit closer to that point of no return that once passed means the collapse of this nation as a superpower, and more practically and of concern to me and you, as a great place to live.

All you idiot Obama nuthuggers seem unwilling or unable to recognize the inherent danger in his platform and see his collective body of work (reading his books, looking at the influences on his life, etc.) for what it is.

So let me get this straight....you think McCain is the lesser of two evils? And it hurts because you know things are fucked either way, but a little less with your choice? Welcome to my voting life in 2004.

[timvp]

Overall I think the Democrats have been much craftier this time around but this ish still has me stumped:

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106259

[ploto]

I thought Palin was horrible. When you don't want to answer a question (or don't know an answer), you have to be able to improvise on your feet not just refuse to answer and start rambling about non-related material. I was embarrassed for her for the majority of the debate.

Exactly. You can find a way to start to answer the given question and then steer it into another direction and onto another topic without basically saying- I am not going to answer that. Let me tell you this instead.

The best description I heard was that Sarah Palin had good answers tonight- they just were not answers to the actual questions she was asked.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Republicans eat that shit up though. She is trying to show that she is a young female maverick just like McCain, and giving us that little cute wink of the eye while she decides to talk about whatever she wants to talk about is supposed to make us like her even more.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

They didn't do this under Clinton's tax levels, so why would you assume they would when Obama puts taxes back to those levels?

I'm sorry, I missed the part where Bill was proposing any of the following with a cooperative Congress:

* higher taxes on our higher income earners to pay for the rest (wealth redistribution, financial socialism)

* universal health care

* money back to those who are already paying no taxes come income tax time

* a shit load of new funding for a corrupt U.N.

* higher education for every child

* oh, and I forgot the middle class tax cut (well, to be fair that will probably end up a broken promise like it was when Clinton ran on it)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So let me get this straight....you think McCain is the lesser of two evils? And it hurts because you know things are fucked either way, but a little less with your choice? Welcome to my voting life in 2004.

Pretty much. You only feel that way in 2004? It goes all the way back to '96 for me. I'm more pissed at both parties for this election than any other one though, because it's clear from what's going on in the world today and in our nation that we need strong leadership.

Instead, we get the far left whacko prince from the 2004 Democratic National Convention that CNN declared would be the Demo candidate in 2008 at that time, but doesn't have a shred of experience, has never taken a stance on an issue until after the outcome had been judged by the public, and hung out with known domestic terrorists growing up.

And he's running against a guy from the "republican" side that is more of a Democrat than Republican, but wasn't a Mormon, so that made him okay to the base.

[MannyIsGod]

I think when all is said and done the main thing to come out of this debate will be this: For an hour and a half these 2 candidates had totally different goals and thats going to show. Palin was simply trying to avoid being permanent placement on the political short bus while Biden took the entire hour and a half to attack McCain pretty consistently and relentlessly.

Its kind of like a 16th and 1 seed meeting up in the NCAA tournament. The top seed's goals are to advance and the underdog is simply there to not lose by 30. If the top seed wins then they don't really get much praise because it was what they were supposed to do.

But the top seed moves on. I think while Palin stopped some bleeding tonight, she didn't change the game. The odds were stacked against her being able to do that, but the sad fact is thats what her team needs. They need something to fundementally change the direction of this race and they didn't get that tonight.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Pretty much. You only feel that way in 2004? It goes all the way back to '96 for me. I'm more pissed at both parties for this election than any other one though, because it's clear from what's going on in the world today and in our nation that we need strong leadership.

Instead, we get the far left whacko prince from the 2004 Democratic National Convention that CNN declared would be the Demo candidate in 2008 at that time, but doesn't have a shred of experience, has never taken a stance on an issue until after the outcome had been judged by the public, and hung out with known domestic terrorists growing up.

And he's running against a guy from the "republican" side that is more of a Democrat than Republican, but wasn't a Mormon, so that made him okay to the base.

And to make things even worse the Aggies really suck this year

[TheMadHatter]

I'm sorry, I missed the part where Bill was proposing any of the following with a cooperative Congress:

* higher taxes on our higher income earners to pay for the rest (wealth redistribution, financial socialism)

* universal health care

* money back to those who are already paying no taxes come income tax time

* a shit load of new funding for a corrupt U.N.

* higher education for every child

* oh, and I forgot the middle class tax cut (well, to be fair that will probably end up a broken promise like it was when Clinton ran on it)

You should change your name to Angry Hoopsfan because Obama is going to win this election and it kills you. It kills you that a black man, probably someone you call a n****r in your own house, will be President of this great nation.

Change is coming and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Your party is in shambles and the social conservative agenda will never again resurface for the forseeable future. Your party failed, your ideas failed. America does not want anymore Republican rule.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

You should change your name to Angry Hoopsfan because Obama is going to win this election and it kills you. It kills you that a black man, probably someone you call a n****r in your own house, will be President of this great nation.

Change is coming and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Your party is in shambles and the social conservative agenda will never again resurface for the forseeable future. Your party failed, your ideas failed. America does not want anymore Republican rule.

This actually applies to alot of republicans, but you are being unfair to AHF, and I don't think it applies to him.

AHF--do you really really think that Obama is going to socialize health care and change the bush tax cuts?
Not once in this entire election from the primaries to now have I seriously thought either Obama or Clinton would socialize health care, nor would they repeal the bush tax cuts.
It's like the Republicans using Rowe v Wade to wrangle in all the retards with a 20th century brain that think abortion is actually an issue. No matter how packed the courts get, Rowe v wade will never be overturned. Ever. Ever.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You should change your name to Angry Hoopsfan because Obama is going to win this election and it kills you. It kills you that a black man, probably someone you call a n****r in your own house, will be President of this great nation.

Change is coming and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Your party is in shambles and the social conservative agenda will never again resurface for the forseeable future. Your party failed, your ideas failed. America does not want anymore Republican rule.

If you really think it comes down to race for me, you can go fuck yourself. Welcome to my ignore list. You choose not to talk points but play some lame ass leftist race card, which is about the weakest shit I have ever seen on this board.

There isn't going to be change, other than instead of the oil companies getting rich off of us all it's going to be Obama's friends and family, and those allied with Pelosi, Reed, Frank, etc. (i.e., more money for Wall Street).

I'm sorry you're dumb of a human being to get it.

Bush was a shitty president, I freely admit that. It doesn't mean Obama should get an opportunity to fuck us over harder.

Anyway, adios.

[td4mvp21]

I'll tell you one thing, not even the Democratic House will pass a bill for universal healthcare.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This actually applies to alot of republicans, but you are being unfair to AHF, and I don't think it applies to him.

AHF--do you really really think that Obama is going to socialize health care and change the bush tax cuts?
Not once in this entire election from the primaries to now have I seriously thought either Obama or Clinton would socialize health care, nor would they repeal the bush tax cuts.
It's like the Republicans using Rowe v Wade to wrangle in all the retards with a 20th century brain that think abortion is actually an issue. No matter how packed the courts get, Rowe v wade will never be overturned. Ever. Ever.

I'd like to agree with you and think you're right, but go back and look at what Carter did to this country when he had a liberal Congress to work with.

Our political system is broken, but for the sake of the least suckiness possible we need a split exec/legislative situation. Either Republican in the WH (Bush suckage being the exception...) with Dems in Congress, or a Dem in WH with Republicans in Congress.

One party having all the power leads to complacency and a focus on taking care of the party's donors.

We've never had someone run for office with Obama's socialist views before (Carter came closest), and it took a decade to undo his damage in the 80s. Couple that with Pelosi and Reid running amok in Congress with a filibuster proof majority, and yeah, I worry about all the socialist shit that will be crammed down our throats.

I don't put any of Obama's plans past him, he pushed for a lot of the same things back in Illinois, and i haven't seen any reason to doubt he wouldn't bring the same thoughts and goals to D.C.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'll tell you one thing, not even the Democratic House will pass a bill for universal healthcare.

If you think the oil companies have bribed the Republican leadership, just wait until you see the health care lobby in full effect.

[td4mvp21]

If you think the oil companies have bribed the Republican leadership, just wait until you see the health care lobby in full effect.

I still don't think it will happen. It's a very socialistic, progressive idea for America. Too "controversial" at this point.

[TheMadHatter]

Conservatives have a unique and irrational fear of Democrats and all things they perceive to be "liberal". The problem is 9/10 couldn't tell you what "liberals" stand for.

The world will not come to an end if Obama is elected. This country will not become communist or socialist or whatever idiotic notions you conservatives have. Odds are things will get markedly better abroad and here at home in the long run.

[Kori Ellis]

You should change your name to Angry Hoopsfan because Obama is going to win this election and it kills you. It kills you that a black man, probably someone you call a n****r in your own house, will be President of this great nation.

Change is coming and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Your party is in shambles and the social conservative agenda will never again resurface for the forseeable future. Your party failed, your ideas failed. America does not want anymore Republican rule.

It's ridiculous that you actually think that every Republican who opposes Obama does so because of his race. Every post that you write is so DazedandConfused.

Oops.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh snap.

[Xylus]

Yikes.

[timvp]

:lmao @ TheMadHater

[Buddy Holly]

http://www.megatonik.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/lol.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

All I know is that I have the office on my DVR. Politicians are lucky they invented the DVR, cause if not I'm not watching this bullshit. I'm watching the office.

[Buddy Holly]

Wait what? There was a new office today?

[TheMadHatter]

Was there a new Office? My DVR said there was no office.

[timvp]

Fixed.

[mavs>spurs2]

:lmao

[Purple & Gold]

Missed the debate. Watching the replay now. Palin is a good speaker but clearly looks like a student that didn't study all year and is now cramming for her finals. She shouldn't have accepted the nomination, she wasn't ready and it could very possibly hurt her political future. It's really a no win situation for her.

[timvp]

He also had a tendency to follow Palin down the rabbit trail. When her answer wasn't in response to the question asked, Biden would respond to her answer and then try to respond to the question that was initially asked. It made his answer sound disjointed. It's like he was trying to dance to the beat of a mad drummer.Very well said. She was all over the place but he followed right behind her.

[whottt]

WHOTTT happened to Whottt? Where'd he go?


Right here :smokin


I already knew what this thread was going to be shit...didn't disappoint. Everyone reacted exactly as I suspected they would except for baselinebum who continues to impress inspite of his political inclinations...and timvp who had a pretty nice breakdown.


Keep publishing CNN and MSNBC Polls...then realize no one is watching them...in fact Fox is now outdrawing some of the broadcast news networks. They mean nothing.



Naturally...I thought Palin totally smoked Joe Biden.


It's plain ignorance to think she's less qualified that guys like Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan were she's just not as good at bullshitting.

Like I said..it seems many active political minds hate the idea of a non-politician hitting Washington as much as Washington does.

You people deserve the government we have.


Palin wins. She speaks to the people...


I know she doesn't speak to the SpursTalk politcial forum...then again, you guys were in teh tank for Hedo, Beno nd Devin as well.

[whottt]

Oh and ploto...you were right, the jealous and petty streak Palin brings out in many women is truly amazing. Everythying men say about their irrationality behind their backs is completely true....alas.


I was wrong you are right...many women are eveyr bit as small and petty as you said they would be.

[Purple & Gold]

Naturally...I thought Palin totally smoked Joe Biden.


It's plain ignorance to think she's less qualified that guys like Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan were she's just not as good at bullshitting.

Like I said..it seems many active political minds hate the idea of a non-politician hitting Washington as much as Washington does.

You people deserve the government we have.


Palin wins. She speaks to the people...

:married:

[Purple & Gold]

Oh and ploto...you were right, the jealous and petty streak Palin brings out in many women is truly amazing. Everythying men say about their irrationality behind their backs is completely true....alas.


I was wrong you are right...many women are eveyr bit as small and petty as you said they would be.

Women hate women. I have never understood why. They always talk shit about each other behind their backs. Even their best friends.

[whottt]

Women hate women. I have never understood why. They always talk shit about each other behind their backs. Even their best friends.

Yeah I know that but I've seen charismatic women win them over before...

I can't believe they're saying she's fake when Biden is sitting their with hair plugs, a botoxed forehead and those cheesy ass capped teeth...talking out both sides of his mouth on every answer.

He bullshitted his way around he answers too..he just does it better and that's what people want from their politcians...great liars.


Was funny when he owned himself on the first amendment :lmao he's only a lawyer that's been in Washington for 30 years....I know, I know, it's just Joe being Joe...but hey, Palin doesn't have an expert opinion on every case tried before the Supreme Court since 1903 so she's the idiot.

[Jeff Probst]

Whottt may be one of the top 5 best posters here at ST, if only he wasn't such an ass.

[whottt]

Ignored...another dipshit obnoxious lib. Whoo...unique.

[Purple & Gold]

Yeah I know that but I've seen charismatic women win them over before...

I can't believe they're saying she's fake when Biden is sitting their with hair plugs, a botoxed forehead and those cheesy ass capped teeth...talking out both sides of his mouth on every answer.

He bullshitted his way around he answers too..he just does it better and that's what people want from their politcians...great liars.


Was funny when he owned himself on the first amendment :lmao he's only a lawyer that's been in Washington for 30 years....I know, I know, it's just Joe being Joe...but hey, Palin doesn't have an expert opinion on every case tried before the Supreme Court since 1903 so she's the idiot.

She's not an idiot she's just unprepared and not ready. Only being able to answer in talking points comes off as being unintelligent. No way she can cram a lifetime of politics and issues into a month or so. She should have said thanx but no thanx to the VP nomination. It could potentially ruin her future political career.

[PM5K]

She's not an idiot she's just unprepared and not ready. Only being able to answer in talking points comes off as being unintelligent. No way she can cram a lifetime of politics and issues into a month or so. She should have said thanx but no thanx to the VP nomination. It could potentially ruin her future political career.

The real problem was the interviews before the debate, we all knew she didn't know shit and that anything she'd say in the debate would be rehearsed, if she hadn't done those interviews maybe more people would buy that she knows something...

[Slomo]

I thought it was an interesting debate. It lived up to my expectations.

The smartest thing Biden did was attack McCain instead of Palin. The most dangerous thing he could have done for Obama's sake was get into a verbal confrontation with Palin and allow her and McCain by association to win sympathy points. In the last 30 or so years, Democrats have trailed far behind Republicans in as far as seeing the big picture and understand what the repercussions would be for different tactics. But finally it seems like they figured it out this time around.

Biden used his experience to come across as much more prepared if he were to ascend to the presidency. I don't think anyone can deny that fact. However, I think he made a few mistakes along the way where he lost focus and started making this about himself instead of the Obama/Biden ticket. He obviously has a big ego and it is difficult for him to always keep things about the ticket instead of about himself. I also thought he got lulled into Palin's subject changing game and he'd be led off track by her ramblings and then he'd start rambling himself. The difference is when the two ramble is she still keeps you somewhat engaged, while he puts you to sleep.

I was expecting Palin to fall flat on her face at least a couple times but I thought she actually stayed upright most of the time. Her avoidance of questions was laughable at times and I'm sure some of her answers are going to be torn to pieces once the "fact checkers" get a hold of the transcript. That said, I thought she was better than Biden in terms of realizing she is running with McCain and not just herself. In the middle of the debate, she had a good stretch where she had Biden struggling for words. Biden won the beginning and end of the debate but I thought Palin won a section there in the middle ... which is something I didn't think should could do.

Using no expectations, Biden had to be the technical winner of the debate. But accounting for expectations, I thought Palin held her own. Most will criticize her for changing the topics and twisting the issues to talk about what she wanted to talk about, but that is a debate strategy that has been used as long as there have been debates. While it's probably true she'd do it because she didn't know the answers to the questions, her resume makes it obvious that she isn't going to know enough to out politic Biden. That just wasn't going to happen.

If I had to guess, I'd say the results of the debate will either be neutral or a very slight bump for McCain. I find it hard to believe Biden won many votes, however his goal should have been to just not lose any votes and he very well could have done that.

This is almost word for word what most commentator are saying in the news over here - scary! (or is timvp really a foreign agent...)
The consensus seems to be that Biden won the debate by not losing it.


It's bad. I wanted to give her a tissue to wipe some off. That's been twice now. She needs more of a pink and less orange. :lol

Orange is the new black? :p:


...The best description I heard was that Sarah Palin had good answers tonight- they just were not answers to the actual questions she was asked.

Also a point that is mentioned quite often.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Palin did all right. I think, at worst, she proved last night that she's not the problem with the McCain/Palin ticket.

[florige]

Ignored...another dipshit obnoxious lib. Whoo...unique.



:lmao You are wild Whottt....

[florige]

It's ridiculous that you actually think that every Republican who opposes Obama does so because of his race. Every post that you write is so DazedandConfused.

Oops.



No fucking way!!!!:lol:lmao

[spurster]

CBS News poll has Biden winning the debate:

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/2008VPDebate_poll.pdf

UNCOMMITTED VOTERS WHO WATCHED THE DEBATE

46% Joe Biden
21% Sarah Palin
33% Tie

[SpursFanFirst]

It's ridiculous that you actually think that every Republican who opposes Obama does so because of his race. Every post that you write is so DazedandConfused.

Oops.

:lol Good stuff!

[ploto]

The best way for me to describe how I feel when I watch Palin is that she diminishes women. When I watch her try to be cute and folksy, I feel like it is a slap in the face to every woman who got by on her intelligence and diligence. I feel the same way about anyone who does that when they are in the position to be representative of any demographic group. I just want to tell her to show some self-respect and dignity in herself- that she should be better than all that and be about substance. Young girls are watching her and thinking that this is the way to succeed- and I simply do not like her as any sort of role model for women to follow. When you are one of the first, you have to better and smarter and more prepared. I have a bachelor's degree in a male-dominated field, especially at the time I received it. Every professor I had in that department was a middle-aged male. I worked harder than any one of the guys in my program. It is what you do and I think she sets a poor example by the way she conducts herself in these interviews and debates. When McCain has to go to her follow-up interview with Couric, it diminishes me and all women who stand on their own and defend themselves. It lowers the respect that people have for women and that bothers me. So, no, I am not jealous or irrational. Quite frankly, I have nothing to envy in her. I have perfectly good reasons for thinking the way that I do when she tries to get by on charm and not substance.

[I Love Me Some Me]

The best way for me to describe how I feel when I watch Palin is that she diminishes women. When I watch her try to be cute and folksy, I feel like it is a slap in the face to every woman who got by on her intelligence and diligence. I feel the same way about anyone who does that when they are in the position to be representative of any demographic group. I just want to tell her to show some self-respect and dignity in herself- that she should be better than all that and be about substance. Young girls are watching her and thinking that this is the way to succeed- and I simply do not like her as any sort of role model for women to follow. When you are one of the first, you have to better and smarter and more prepared. I have a bachelor's degree in a male-dominated field, especially at the time I received it. Every professor I had in that department was a middle-aged male. I worked harder than any one of the guys in my program. It is what you do and I think she sets a poor example by the way she conducts herself in these interviews and debates. When McCain has to go to her follow-up interview with Couric, it diminishes me and all women who stand on their own and defend themselves. It lowers the respect that people have for women and that bothers me. So, no, I am not jealous or irrational. Quite frankly, I have nothing to envy in her. I have perfectly good reasons for thinking the way that I do when she tries to get by on charm and not substance.


What if she's not trying? What if that is just who she is? Does she diminish women just by being the woman that she is?

[SpursFanFirst]

Oh and ploto...you were right, the jealous and petty streak Palin brings out in many women is truly amazing. Everythying men say about their irrationality behind their backs is completely true....alas.


I was wrong you are right...many women are eveyr bit as small and petty as you said they would be.



:soapbox:

Wow, Whottt...are you angry because Palin talked circles in this debate?

I can't think of any woman in this thread that said they "hated" her last night...and I was here the entire evening.

I don't HATE Palin - I just think she's in way over her head...and the recent interviews (though the Gibson intvw still pisses me off!), and now the debate, pretty much confirmed what I was afraid of. She's not ready for the White House.

I said this earlier in the evening, and I'll say it again -
I'm sure she is a lovely woman. She seems extremely down-to-earth, and I love the fact that she hasn't changed who she is throughout the last few weeks...at least I don't think she has.

With that said though, I have a problem with her getting cutesy when she clearly doesn't have an answer to the question that was asked.
She's in a debate, for crying out loud...ANSWER THE QUESTIONS! Stop winking at the camera, and stop throwing around adorable phrases to try to mask the fact that you have no real, coherent answers.

And Joe? Please....he made me ill as well, and I said that throughout this thread. He had some seriously slimy grins he was sending her way...oh, and there was definitely a nasty glare thing he did near the beginning. I think he made a reference to the "Bridge to Nowhere." It's all kind of fuzzy now.

I think I was pretty fair throughout the debate.
To assume that women "hate" Palin because she's beautiful, successful, and folksy is just plain silly. It's as bad as the assumptions being thrown around that, if you don't vote for Obama, you must be a racist.

Give me a break!

Believe it or not, women can be all the things Palin is and still answer questions intelligently and straightforward.
I did not get that from Palin tonight, and that's a shame.

Usually, Whottt, I love your posts...always entertaining and well thought out...but your assumptions, as of late, have been way off.

I think I'm done - for now.


:soapbox:

[Ya Vez]

I still get that so many people still don't know what a VP does.. people are still acting like she is going to be the president on day one.. lets get back to the real debate between Obama and Mccain... thats who will make the policy decision...