The Manu Doesn't Believe in God Thread

[DPG21920]

Dogg Pound Gangsta, would you rather Manu be in a Satanic cult and have avoided the question or be atheist and answer the question as he did? Pick one.

Thanks.

:stirpot:

I would rather him be a good person no matter what he believes. I do not even care that he answered the question personally. I just caught me off guard that he even decided to answer it on a public forum when he can pick and choose what questions to answer.

[timvp]

I would rather him be a good person no matter what he believes. I do not even care that he answered the question personally. I just caught me off guard that he even decided to answer it on a public forum when he can pick and choose what questions to answer.That didn't answer the question . . .

[Cherry]

I am using common sense. It is called using parallels. Josh Howard is a famous person, so is Manu. They both play in the NBA. They both discussed sensitive subjects on public forums. They both opened themselves up. Just because one may be "worse" than the other does not mean they have nothing in common.

I think you analyze things too much.

[DPG21920]

Then why should he follow his " I'm not a believer" with " that doesn't mean I'm right and you are wrong. I respect all religions"?

Because if you are deciding to open yourself up, you must be careful not to offend anyone. People have to be ultra "PC" these days, it sucks, but it just is that way. I do not think he gave a bad answer, I just was surprised he even answered it. "Do you watch DVD's? Yes I do", "Do you use TIVO? In the USA I do, but not in Argentina", "Do you believe in God?, No, I do not believe". See how it does not fit. It just surprised me.

[DPG21920]

Something being a sensitive subject by nature, doesn't mean that every comment about it will get the same level of reaction, positive or negative. I would say that I disagree with your argument that the thread is what it is because of the nature of the subject. At least, not entirely.

I agree. I never said that he would be crucified (no pun intended) for it. I just though it was odd that he would be so open because most people that are famous are not.

[DPG21920]

No, but you're kind of stretching the importance of the parallels in this particular instance. Howard's comments, and the way in which they were stated, are far more inflammatory and likely to cause outrage than the way in which Manu stated his.

I agree. Does not mean that Manu's comments could not cause some stink. I was not even trying to come off like I thought he really messed up. I was just saying I would be surprised if he was that honest. Then shit blew up.

[jalberto]

Guys, what is the problem?
He doesn't kill anyone, ...Should he hide his thoughts in this mater? why?
He simply say , like many young people in Argentina, and many people in earth, that he is not a believer.
Give me a break!I think that it is thousand times worst to be a believer of those who lies to takes you to kill each other (war).

[DPG21920]

Dogg Pound Gangsta, would you rather Manu be in a Satanic cult and have avoided the question or be atheist and answer the question as he did? Pick one.

Thanks.

:stirpot:


That didn't answer the question . . .

If you are implying that someone is in a satanic cult and killing people than obviously being an atheist and answering the question is far greater because no one would get hurt. He might catch some flack, but that would not mean he is a bad person.

I do not care what he BELIEVES as long as he is a good person in the way he ACTS. I think Manu is a very good person no matter what (from the little that I know about him). All I was saying was that the question caught me off guard and I was surprised he choose to answer it.

[DPG21920]

Guys, what is the problem?
He doesn't kill anyone, ...Should he hide his thoughts in this mater? why?
He simply say , like many young people in Argentina, and many people in earth, that he is not a believer.
Give me a break!I think that it is thousand times worst to be a believer of those who lies to takes you to kill each other (war).

No question. It should not be a big deal, but too often people try to oppress others that do not believe what they do. Just like you are not supposed to discuss religion or politics over dinner, I just thought it was weird he answered that question considering all of the other questions were so light-hearted.

[DPG21920]

Thanks for the translation. This is too funny:

What car do you own these days? How much did it cost?
I'd rather not talk about it.


Do you remember your worst drunkenness? When and where? How do you ended up?
Jeje What a delicate matter. I think it was celebrating a championship in Italy but, coincidentally enough, I don't remember very well! ;-)

He won't talk about his car or being drunk because it is "delicate". LMFAO

[timvp]

If you are implying that someone is in a satanic cult and killing people than obviously being an atheist and answering the question is far greater because no one would get hurt. He might catch some flack, but that would not mean he is a bad person. I didn't say anything about killing people.

[jalberto]

There is a dangerous theory I read here. One must stay in silence in matter of religion , be cautiousbecause there is a lot of religious nuts....
Please do not let the nuts decide what you can say!

[ElNono]

DPG21920, I don't know what planet you fell from, but since when exactly expressing your religious belief or lack thereof is regarded as 'sensitive'?
Wait, God gave us free will to say and do as we please, but NOT if you're a superstar in the limelight?

[ElNono]

No question. It should not be a big deal, but too often people try to oppress others that do not believe what they do. Just like you are not supposed to discuss religion or politics over dinner, I just thought it was weird he answered that question considering all of the other questions were so light-hearted.

I'm going to tell you that's a very common thing here in the US, but back down south, that whole 'being politically correct' stuff carries a lot less weight. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

[DPG21920]

I didn't say anything about killing people.

That is why I said "implying". The common understanding is that Satan is "evil". Evil usually refers to murder, lying, stealing....

[DPG21920]

There is a dangerous theory I read here. One must stay in silence in matter of religion , be cautiousbecause there is a lot of religious nuts....
Please do not let the nuts decide what you can say!


DPG21920, I don't know what planet you fell from, but since when exactly expressing your religious belief or lack thereof is regarded as 'sensitive'?
Wait, God gave us free will to say and do as we please, but NOT if you're a superstar in the limelight?


I'm going to tell you that's a very common thing here in the US, but back down south, that whole 'being politically correct' stuff carries a lot less weight. Maybe it's a cultural thing.

I am from Texas. Live in Texas. I am not saying that you should live your life in fear. I am saying that because in today's day in age with all the media coverage and how fast things can spread because of the internet, you must really be careful when discussing things that people view as sensitive.

Yes, no one cares what El Nono says, but when Manu speaks, people listen. I do not care that he answered. I was just saying I was surprised he did so straight-forwardly. Especially because the questions were not serious until that point. It is also funny how he said his car he would not like to discuss and that drinking was a "delicate" subject?

[Mister Sinister]

That is why I said "implying". The common understanding is that Satan is "evil". Evil usually refers to murder, lying, stealing....
Must...resist...urge...to...open...box of..."Satan answers to God/God lets Satan do the things he does"...Shatnerian reserves...draining...Ghkk't!

[ATX Spur]

Good for Manu. My respect for him just went up a little more.

[DPG21920]

Must...resist...urge...to...open...box of..."Satan answers to God/God lets Satan do the things he does"...Shatnerian reserves...draining...Ghkk't!

You are just twisting and contorting things. Yes God lets you do what ever you want, but that does not mean people cannot do bad things or that bad is relative. There are universal human rights no matter what you believe.

[Newton]

That is why I said "implying". The common understanding is that Satan is "evil". Evil usually refers to murder, lying, stealing....

My cat just shit in her litterbox, got out, looked at me, and meowed. That limited performance, just seconds ago, exceeded your debating skills.

[DPG21920]

My cat just shit in her litterbox, got out, looked at me, and meowed. That limited performance, just seconds ago, exceeded your debating skills.

I guess my debating skills and your comedy skills are on the same level then. Oops, was that protected by the 1st amendment?

[Mister Sinister]

You are just twisting and contorting things. Yes God lets you do what ever you want, but that does not mean people cannot do bad things or that bad is relative. There are universal human rights no matter what you believe.
You missed the point, I think. I didn't want to open the box of worms that is the "Can the Judeo-Christian God be truly benevolent if He allows Satan to dick humans over?" question, and the urge to do so depleted my Shatnerian reserves.

[DPG21920]

If Manu won't answer a question about his car or drinking because they are delicate, then that proves my point that people must censor to a certain degree what they say. I was just surprised he even answered the question. NOTHING ELSE.

[DPG21920]

You missed the point, I think. I didn't want to open the box of worms that is the "Can the Judeo-Christian God be truly benevolent if He allows Satan to dick humans over?" question, and the urge to do so depleted my Shatnerian reserves.

I get what you were saying. But that is a whole other argument about religion. This was about being surprised that someone would answer a "delicate" question such as religion in such a light-hearted forum and then decline to answer about cars and drinking.

[Argiebabe]

The thing here is that most argentinians don't care about other's religion as many americans do, I mean... if you are famous and decide to openly declare yourself catholic, atheist, jewish... that is a personal deal...and something that won't really change the general perception of an "idol" such as Manu, that's also why he speaks so freely about his beliefs.

[DPG21920]

The thing here is that most argentinians don't care about other's religion as many americans do, I mean... if you are famous and decide to openly declare yourself catholic, atheist, jewish... that is a personal deal...and something that won't really change the general perception of an "idol" such as Manu, that's also why he speaks so freely about his beliefs.

I agree with that. Like I said, my original post was not to make this seem like he crossed a line or royally messed up. I was just saying in the context of the questions, that the God question just seemed out of place. I have said that maybe I am overstating how much religion is a hot topic, but lame asses like Newton turn this in to an "Americans have the right to the 1st amendment" bull shit that comes from left field because he/she wants to sound smart. Just like when they started a "who is the smartest poster thread" and he tried to throw his own name into the hat. This person is looking for something bigger out of a Spurs forum.

[Newton]

I guess my debating skills and your comedy skills are on the same level then. Oops, was that protected by the 1st amendment?

Ouch.

Let me be more direct. Reading your posts is like watching a person drowning very slowly.

Your half-assed, swiss cheese theories have been thoroughly destroyed. Mister Sinister, Obstructed View, timvp, et. al. have so completely debunked your bullshit, yet you keep paddling, hoping for that one last breath.

Your responses are consistently contradictory, repetitive, or change the topic completely. Your analogies could only make a thread of sense in a parallel universe.

You are just not a bright fellow. Let it go, for the love of ____.

[ElNono]

I am from Texas. Live in Texas. I am not saying that you should live your life in fear. I am saying that because in today's day in age with all the media coverage and how fast things can spread because of the internet, you must really be careful when discussing things that people view as sensitive.

This is just not true. What's so sensitive about responding to somebody that asks you what your beliefs are?
And saying everybody view the sole act of stating your beliefs as 'sensitive' is a gross generalization. As a matter of fact, in this entire place, you seem to be the only one 'surprised' that he did.


Yes, no one cares what El Nono says, but when Manu speaks, people listen. I do not care that he answered. I was just saying I was surprised he did so straight-forwardly. Especially because the questions were not serious until that point. It is also funny how he said his car he would not like to discuss and that drinking was a "delicate" subject?

Because getting into what car he drives can be construed as 'showing off'. It will take away from who he is, very humble, down to earth person. The drunk part he did answer, and he actually laughed about it. I don't think he thought as a delicate subject at all.

[DPG21920]

Ouch.

Let me be more direct. Reading your posts is like watching a person drowning very slowly.

Your half-assed, swiss cheese theories have been thoroughly destroyed. Mister Sinister, Obstructed View, timvp, et. al. have so completely debunked your bullshit, yet you keep paddling, hoping for that one last breath.

Your responses are consistently contradictory, repetitive, or change the topic completely. Your analogies could only make a thread of sense in a parallel universe.

You are just not a bright fellow. Let it go, for the love of ____.

Judging someone that you do not know from one discussion makes you appear as the most unintelligent person on here. You do not know me at all, my educational background or my takes on anything other than this. The fact that you like to hear yourself talk (1st amendment this, 1st amendment that) and are just as repetitive as I am makes you a hypocrite.

Just because you grossly misinterpreted what I was saying and turned it into a wild argument does not make me a bad debater. It means you have poor reading comprehension.

[DPG21920]

This is just not true. What's so sensitive about responding to somebody that asks you what your beliefs are?
And saying everybody view the sole act of stating your beliefs as 'sensitive' is a gross generalization. As a matter of fact, in this entire place, you seem to be the only one 'surprised' that he did.



Because getting into what car he drives, can be construed as 'showing off'. It will take away from who he is, very humble, down to earth person. The drunk part he did answer, and he actually laughed about it. I don't think he thought as a delicate subject at all.

He said it was a delicate subject in the quote. Telling someone what car you drive is not showing off is it?

[Newton]

Judging someone that you do not know from one discussion makes you appear as the most unintelligent person on here. You do not know me at all, my educational background or my takes on anything other than this. The fact that you like to hear yourself talk (1st amendment this, 1st amendment that) and are just as repetitive as I am makes you a hypocrite.

Just because you grossly misinterpreted what I was saying and turned it into a wild argument does not make me a bad debater. It means you have poor reading comprehension.

Show me a post of mine where I mentioned the First Amendment...




Couldn't, could you?

[jalberto]

If Manu won't answer a question about his car or drinking because they are delicate, then that proves my point that people must censor to a certain degree what they say. I was just surprised he even answered the question. NOTHING ELSE.
Manu answered the question about drinking.
Related to the car, In argentina is not very well seen the ostentation, mainly in front of people with fewer resources.

[DPG21920]

Show me a post of mine where I mentioned the First Amendment...




Couldn't, could you?

So you are saying you never mentioned the first amendment?

[Anti.Hero]

Big deal. It's Manu.


He can take the Devil.

[DPG21920]

My bad, you are right, that was somebody else.

[DPG21920]

Show me a post of mine where I mentioned the First Amendment...




Couldn't, could you?

You did not say that. I apologize. It was someone else. I want to clarify something. What is the argument you think I was trying to make?

[ElNono]

He said it was a delicate subject in the quote. Telling someone what car you drive is not showing off is it?

I'm going to try to explain a bit from somebody from Argentina that reads that. Hopefully you'll bear with me and try to understand.

He didn't mean the 'delicate' in that quote. Believe me. We say that when we talk about a topic like that (drunk, easy girls, etc) because of the significant other (:lol).

About the car, you need to understand the context. A BMW, Audi, even a Benz is a complete rarity in Argentina. He's currently engaged in building a stadium in his native city, Bahia Blanca, where the government promised to pay 50% of it, and where Manu's sponsors are paying for the other half. He's already been criticized (unjustly in my opinion) because he's not footing the bill for the whole thing. The last thing he needs is some radio show coming out and saying "Well, he could sell the BMW and the Audi and pay for the whole thing" (critique like that already happened, BTW).

I'll tell you a little story that happened to me personally. I actually happen to drive a Benz and a Jeep (wife's car). My dad had the very, very stupid idea of telling my neighbors that we own those. When I went to visit last month, all my neighbors would ask me about were the Benz and the 4x4 (that's what they call SUV's over there). It was really uncomfortable. And this is El Nono, not Manu Ginobili.

[ElNono]

Manu answered the question about drinking.
Related to the car, In argentina is not very well seen the ostentation, mainly in front of people with fewer resources.

He's just missing the context. That's why I'm really trying to make him understand...

[DPG21920]

I'm going to try to explain a bit from somebody from Argentina that reads that. Hopefully you'll bear with me and try to understand.

He didn't mean the 'delicate' in that quote. Believe me. We say that when we talk about a topic like that (drunk, easy girls, etc) is because of the significant other (:lol).

About the car, you need to understand the context. A BMW, Audi, even a Benz is a complete rarity in Argentina. He's currently engaged in building a stadium in his native city, Bahia Blanca, where the government promised to pay 50% of it, and where Manu's sponsors are paying for the other half. He's already been criticized (unjustly in my opinion) because he's not footing the bill for the whole thing. The last thing he needs is some radio show coming out and saying "Well, he could sell the BMW and the Audi and pay for the whole thing" (critique like that already happened, BTW).

I'll tell you a little story that happened to me personally. I actually happen to drive a Benz and a Jeep (wife's car). My dad had the very, very stupid idea of telling my neighbors that we own those. When I went to visit last month, all my neighbors would ask me about were the Benz and the 4x4 (that's what they call SUV's over there). It was really uncomfortable. And this is El Nono, not Manu Ginobili.

I did not mean it in a bad way when I said no one cares what "EL Nono" says. I appreciate you clarifying what he meant in context. The same argument was made by you that was brought up in the others. You said the last he needs is some radio guy saying sell the BMW...Same for the radio guy or religious nut saying that he should believe in God. See what I mean. I think Manu is a very good guy. I have no problem with his beliefs. I was just surprised he did not do with the God question what he did with the car question. That is it. Everyone else turned this into a religious beliefs debate. That was not at all what I meant. Just surprised, nothing else.

[jalberto]

Thank good! a brave human who dares to say what he feels without being cautious to satisfy the fanatic religious nuts!

[ElNono]

Same for the radio guy or religious nut saying that he should believe in God. See what I mean.

Not really. If anything, the bigot is the radio guy. I mean, I've lived for 12+ years in the USA, both west coast and east coast. My wife is Texan and my fathers-in-law live in Texas. And honestly, I don't find alarming at all that somebody says what he believes in. I would say you're opening a can of worms if you go on a discourse of why your belief is what it is. And I'm sure Manu wouldn't go there.
As far as Argentina goes, religion is a NON issue whatsoever. Same with race, when compared to the USA.

[ElNono]

Thank good! a brave human who dares to say what he feels without being cautious to satisfy the fanatic religious nuts!

BTW, love what you did with those posters...
Sos fotografo?

[xtremesteven33]

haha why do people argue on the internet??

its dumb and futile

[jalberto]

No photoshoper nada mas! Saludos

[freemeat]

Fuck anyone for judging Hitler or fuck anyone for judging KKK members right? They are just telling people what they think: all the time and everywhere

I believe Hitler was Christian, no?

Atheism is a little different.

[Brutalis]

lol @ hitler being a christian.

So Manu is going to burn in hell big deal!

[Xylus]

lol @ hitler being a christian.

So Manu is going to burn in hell big deal!

It's unclear exactly what Hitler believed. Many Christians like to use the "Hitler was an atheist" as an argument for the need for God in one's life, but Hitler was quoted on many occasions (particularly in his book, Mein Kampf) as citing God as a motivating factor in his life.

It seems clear that Hitler was not an atheist, but that doesn't mean he believes in the Judeo-Christian God. Guy was a loon.

[desflood]

publicación: 11-10-2008


MANU RESPONDE AL FORO






Gonzaspurs
¿Cómo sentís que está tu relación con los Spurs, tanto con los directivos como con el técnico, luego de tu participación en los Juegos? Ya que por momentos parecía un tema de Estado.
Por ahora está muy bien. Estuve hablando con Pop bastante y está todo acordado. No hay ningún problema. Veremos más adelante como se va modificando o no la situación.

santi2006
¿Cómo te preparás mentalmente para sufrir desde afuera estos primeros meses? ¿Te gusta mirar los juegos o sos de sufrir mucho?
No se si estoy preparado todavía! Cuando arranque veremos. No me gusta mirar los partidos de afuera, PARA NADA! Sufro mucho y siento que no puedo hacer nada para cambiar las cosas.


lucas5185
¿Con que chances ves a los Spurs para este año?
Con todas, como siempre.

¿Qué opinás de los refuerzos de este año de los Spurs?
Todavía no los vi lo suficiente. Salvo Roger Mason que es un jugador conocido y que ya demostró, los demás son nuevos entonces es difícil saber, encima estoy siempre en la pileta o el gimnasio, por lo que los veo muy poco por ahora.

Si se cumplía el rumor de Houston de llevar a Prigioni. ¿Qué actuación pensás que hubiera tenido en la NBA?
Imposible saberlo. Pero Pablo es un gran jugador, de mucha experiencia, solo hubiera necesitado como todos, un tiempo de adaptación, pero en esa posición cuesta todavía más.


Bibo20
¿Tenés pensado realizar alguna clínica de basquet en Argentina en algún momento o visitar el interior?
¿En algún momento de mi vida? Sí, alguna vez lo haré. No se cuándo ni dónde lamentablemente.


Guadalupe
¿Cómo va esa rehabilitación?
Todo muy bien, mejorando en todo aspecto, de a poco, pero mejorando.

¿Un poco aburrida no? ¿Qué es lo más entretenido que hiciste hasta el momento?
Sí, aburrido sin dudas. Muy aburrida. No creo que nada de lo que me hacen hacer en estos días me parezca entretenido.


VioletChina
Do you remember that in Nanjing a chinese girl with a No.20 jersey gave you a hand-written book with a blue and white color which is made by your Chinese Fans Club? If you still keep it,can you tell us what you think of it? We really want to know
Yes, I do remember and I do kept it. I really appreciated it. Thanks a lot for your support!


BigBigSpur
Do you still keep close touch with Pepe? When you feel down or he feels down, will you two call each other to confide your frustration?
Not that close this last year. We usually spend time together during the boreal summer since we leave really close from each other and we are friends. But because of the Olympics we barely saw each other this time.

Many people criticize you for your presence in Olympics. Have Tim said anything like “I will always on your side” to you? And after your surgery, does Tim show a great concern or does he come to visit you frequently?
It wasn’t needed. He’s a great guy and he understands me. He did came to visit me, too.

Last time you said you like “Fucsia”. It means pink, purple, or violet red?
Is easier to ask Manu than go to Wikipedia, right? Or any other dictionary? Anyways, it was a joke that Fucsia was my favorite color.


Chasky
¿Ganaste un concurso de volcadas en Italia en el 2001? Te pregunto, porque en algunas páginas se menciona y es algo que no deja dormir a muchos videólogos. ¿Tal vez algún otro torneo de volcadas?
No, no gané ningún concurso de volcadas. Cuando yo estaba no se hacía y ese año entregaron un premio a la mejor volcada del partido de las estrellas. Se puede apreciar en varios de los videos que hicieron los chicos de mis jugadas en Italia, la única que estoy con camiseta azul.


Emito
¿Me gustaría saber que hubieras estudiado si el basquet no rendía sus frutos y tu vieja te obligaba a ir a la facu? Leí por ahí que decías que tu vieja quería que fueras contador o algo así, pero vos… ¿qué hubieras elegido?
Mi vieja quería que me recibiera, pero no me hubiera obligado a estudiar. Siempre quiso tener un hijo profesional, pero no le dimos ese gusto ninguno de los tres. Creo que hubiera estudiado contador, pero no estoy 100% seguro.


Jalberto
¿Qué hiciste con la primera "platita" que ganaste?
Depende a cual te referís, pero la primera primera que me iba ganando en Bahiense dirigiendo a los más chiquitos iba toda al “chanchito” porque quería comprarme una compu. Tardé un par de años, pero llegó!
Con la de basquetbolista, nada en especial… una remera un par de pavaditas mas y al banco, sabía que no iba a ser fácil cobrar todos lo meses. (Estuve en lo cierto).


celi16
Si tuvieras la oportunidad de revivir algún partido… ¿Cuál sería y por qué?
Tengo 3.
Semifinal mundial sub 22 en Melbourne ’97.
Final Euroliga ’02.
Final Mundial ’02.
Fueron tres partidos trascendentales para mi y los tres perdidos INCREIBLEMENTE. Muy dolorosos todos.


Asababy
I am a chinese fan , it's a pity that i can't go to the stadium to see your games , you'd said that you had a good experience in China , so if possible do you intend to come to China again ? If so ,which places do you want to visit more?
I loved my experience in China during the Olympics, but I’m not planning on going again soon. I’d like to visit Shanghai one day.


Mar
¿Seguís en contacto con el resto del equipo o solamente cuando se encuentran en la cancha?
¿Resto del equipo? ¿Te referís a los chicos de la Selección? Sí, nos escribimos bastante seguido aunque lamentablemente hay muchos MUY haraganes.


¿Qué me podés decir de cumplir sueños? (Doy por descontado la típica frase de que tenés que arriesgar todo o esforzarte mucho).
Que está muy bueno. Eso seguro que no te lo dijo nadie!


Baru
Al momento de prestar tu imagen para algún comercial, a parte del dinero que te ofrecen… ¿Tomás en cuenta si te gusta ese producto? ¿Si lo consumís? ¿Si la marca va con tu personalidad? ¿O no tomás en cuenta nada de esto?
Sí, tomo en cuenta muchas cosas. Que empresa es, que producto vende, como quiere usar mi imagen, que trayectoria tiene, etc.

Juego de memoria:
¿Hace cuento que no... …cortas el pasto?
Uffff!! Lo cortaba en la casa de mis viejos, pero calculo que no lo hago hace 13 o 14 años. 11 o más, seguro.
…tomás un helado en cucurucho?
Lo hago bastante seguido. Compro unos cucuruchos acá en el super que me encantan. Con dulce de leche adentro y todo.
…llevás el auto al taller?
Mucho también! Creo que el primer año acá lo hice y después nunca más! En Bahía mi viejo se encarga de todo eso.
…hacés un gol jugado al futbol?
No me acuerdo ni siquiera cuando fue la última vez que jugué al fútbol! Con eso te digo todo. Ah si! En Italia a veces con la Virtus jugábamos y algún que otro gol he hecho. Estamos hablando del 2002!
…mirás un ratito de "El Chavo"?
Este año no tuve tiempo de mirarlo cuando volví a Argentina, pero el año anterior (2007) estoy seguro que un rato lo miré. Un grande Ron Damón!


solaregh
¿Cuál es tu Marca de TV y de cuántas pulgadas? Si no es nuevo y hoy tuvieras que comprar… ¿Cuál sería?
Tengo varios y de distintas marcas. Acá Samsung y LG. En Argentina Sony y LG. No estoy muy informado al respecto. Cuando necesite supongo que investigaré mas detalladamente.

¿Grabás programas de la TV? ¿Con que sistema?
Tengo DVR que provee mi cable. Sí, grabo algunos, pero no soy un fana de la tele. En Argentina no grabo.

¿Bluray a full o seguís con DVD?
DVD y lo que esté dando el cable en ese momento. Hay muchísimos canales de películas y siempre encuentro algo (ahora están dando Seven, que la vi como 50 veces).


Jalberto
Completando la encuesta tecnológica de Germán… ¿Todavía usás la notebook con el manchón en la pantalla?
No, quedó a un lado la pobrecita! El manchón terminó ocupando el 40% de la pantalla, lo que la hace inusable salvo con un monitor externo. Una lástima. Me afecciono a mis computadoras.


Romy_013
Todos tenemos una canción favorita; ese tema que ponés para que se repita una y otra vez... ¿Cuál es el tuyo?
Me gustan mucho varios temas, pero depende el estado anímico. Desconexion Sideral de la Bersuit me gusta mucho. Bicho de Ciudad de Los Piojos. Prohibido y Una nueva noche fría de Callejeros. Balada del Diablo y la Muerte de La Renga. El Fantasma de Arbol Internacional, Mr.Jones es uno de mis temas preferidos de siempre. Shook me all night Long y Back in Black de ACDC también. Que se yo! Son las que me salieron ahora, pero como ya saben, Bersuit y Callejeros me gusta mucho y escucho bastante. El último CD de Los Piojos me gusta todo. Fito un grande, Calamaro me gusta…


Fernando
¿Pudiste leer la nota de John Hollinger de ESPN? En resumen, en su predicción para la temporada, dice que quedaran 5tos en el oeste, (record de 47-35), en gran parte debido a tu lesión en la primera parte de la temporada, ya que no podrán reemplazarte bien, y además a que el plantel esta un poco "pasado de años"...
¿Cuál es tu opinión al respecto? Si querés responderle por esta vía...
Estamos pasados de edad hace rato y seguimos ganando bastantes partidos y campeonatos. Cada año es una nueva historia, veremos. Yo espero no perderme tantos partidos como para que influya en el resultado final del equipo, aunque es difícil saberlo hoy.


Francisco
¿Qué piensas con respecto a el problema que se le presentaron a Arthur, Beasley y de Mario Chalmers? (con respecto a las drogas). ¿Y del problema de Monta Ellis (lesión por practicar otro deporte cuando las reglas te lo impiden) y Josh Howard (persona que admitió drogarse con marihuana y su falta de respeto a su nacionalidad).
Todos temas muy delicados. Lo de los primeros tres fue un papelón por las circunstancias. Novatos participando del programa de adaptación que pide la NBA, el resto no los conozco con profundidad, pero es una lástima. Ambos son buenas personas pero que cometieron errores un poco irresponsables.

¿Sabés en qué se basa el juego de Greg Oden?
No lo conozco mucho. Tengo ganas de verlo. Se que es muy grande y muy atlético, pero no lo vi en acción.

¿Estás viendo partidos de la pre-temporada? ¿Quién te sorprendió de los jugadores?.
No, no los veo.


maxi_20
¿Cuál fue el primer auto que tuviste? Cúanto lo pagaste?
En el ’97 le compré a mi papá el Fiat Regatta modelo 92 que tenía. No recuerdo como fue la transacción! Je je. Pero si no me equivoco lo que hicimos fue darle un precio al auto cuando me lo “adueñé” y después cuando me fui a Italia y lo vendió pagarle la diferencia. Si terminó siendo así o no, hay discrepancias! Je je. Pero esa era la idea. Creo que valía unos 6000 pesos, pero… ¿quién puede estar seguro?


¿Qué auto tenés en la actualidad? ¿Cuánto te costo?
Este tema prefiero evitarlo.


¿Jugás a la Play? ¿A qué juegos? ¿Jugás con vos mismo al NBA Live?
No, no juego a la Play. Tengo una Wii que me regalaron, pero que por ahora la uso muy poco. Nunca jugué un NBA Live desde que estoy en la NBA.


¿Recordás cuál fue tu peor borrachera? ¿Cuándo y en dónde? ¿Y cómo terminaste!? Jaja
Jeje! Que tema delicado. Creo que fue festejando un campeonato en Italia, pero casualmente no lo recuerdo bien! ;-)


nico_05
¿Cómo te ves esta temporada?
Muy “sexy”, fuerte y con mas cabello que nunca! ;-)

¿Hay algún rookie que te haya llamado la atención o que te guste?
No vi a ninguno todavía.


Cesar421
Honestamente… ¿cuándo crees tu que volverás a jugar? Leí en una nota de mysanantonio.com que estarás listo para diciembre, pero tu… ¿para cuándo crees que estarás 100% listo?
No lo sé, pero espero que sea a fin de Noviembre.

¿Pop no te ha dicho que quisiera tenerte en descanso el resto de la temporada y que regreses para los playoffs?
Sería realmente muy cómico si me dice eso! Que hago los casi 6 meses que faltan? Ahí sí que me tiene que agarrar un Monumental lleno de psicólogos! No no, no lo digas dos veces a ver si te escucha y le gusta la idea!


Eisen
¿Te gusta CQC?
No soy un fanático, pero si estoy en casa y no tengo ningún asadito con familia o amigos lo miro.

¿Jugás a los videojuegos? ¿Y tus compañeros de los Spurs?
No, los videojuegos no son lo mío.

¿Qué te parece el Baby Etchecopar?
Un personaje. No lo escucho en la radio, pero lo vi un par de veces en tele y se que es muy cómico. Tengo familiares que lo escuchan y les encanta, pero cuando estoy en Argentina escucho muy poca radio también.

¿Hace cuanto no vas al Monumental?
No estoy seguro de haber ido alguna vez a ver un partido al Monumental! Con eso te digo todo! Creo que nunca.


Jokinen
¿Pudiste ver la pelicula mexicana "La ley de Herodes"? ¿Te gustó?
No, no la pude ver, pero busqué críticas y dicen que es muy buena. La voy a ver cuando empiece a viajar más seguido. Tengo muchas acumuladas.


carina_ginomania,
Most important question: how are you? How is your recovery going? Any updates on when you can be back on the court to practice?
I’m doing very good. Getting better every day. Little bit at time. No idea when I’ll be able to practice with the guys, but I still have a couple weeks to go for that at least.

Are you going to make HEB commercials with the Spurs again? Who will replace Brent?
I’ll be in the HEB commercials and there’s no substitute for Brent. Tim, Bruce and me. We’ll miss him. “Mango trees don’t do that, Manu”! ;-)

Did Brent also send you a text message with a picture of him and Luis, saying that he has finally found an Argentine teammate that he likes?
How did you know? Yes, it’s true. He did it because he misses me!

The Express News reported that the Spurs had a yoga session after practice last week. Did you see your teammates doing it? Have you ever tried yoga before?
We did it twice. We ALL did it. I’ve done it once before, but I’m not big fan of it.


otoño
Respondeme porfa!!! ¿Qué significa Dios en tu vida?
No soy creyente.

Solamente eso queria saber!
Mirá que fácil!! Así sí que pudiera responder 200.000 preguntas.


#20spurs
¿Cuál te parece que es el nivel de la liga NCAA en los Estados Unidos comparado con el de las ligas europeas (ACB, etc...)?
No tengo idea! Miro solo algunos partidos del campeonato y se juega muy distinto que en la NBA y muy distinto que en Europa. Jugadores de muy poca experiencia, bastante inocentes, pero de enorme capacidad atlética e intensidad. Lo que ganan en un área lo pierden en otra. Imagino que es un poco menos que la ACB, pero no estoy seguro de lo que digo.

Antes de llegar a jugar en la Liga… ¿qué era lo que mas trabajabas, el tiro, salto, dribbling, musculatura?
Físicamente y el tiro. La primera no dio resultados, la segunda un poco sí.


Gabyboedo
¿Tenés raqueta? ¿Cuál?
Uhh! Tengo 2 raquetas, una que compré y otra que me regaló Coria hace como mil años. Si no me equivoco la que compré es Prince, pero ni presté atención. Fue Sepo y agarró las primeras 2 que vió.

¿Golpe favorito y golpe que más te cuesta?
Drive es el que más fácil me sale y el revés sin slice me complica mucho. Pero soy un burro total. No jugué más de 10 partidos en mi vida, eh! Me gusta, pero no lo puedo jugar lamentablemente.

¿Estilo de juego? ¿Sos de jugar de fondo o de ir a la red a cerrar? Si no sos de ir a cerrar a la red te lo recomiendo, con el metro noventa y ocho que medís, no te debería pasar nadie!! ¿Sos de comprarte ropa de tenis para jugarlo o te ponés cualquier pantalón y remera?
No tengo estilo aún! Je je. No lo pude identificar! Y no! Definitivamente no me compro ropa de tenis, las veces que lo hice, fue con look basquetbolista, pero con zapatillas bajas.


Aleppin
Varias veces dijiste que no te interesan demasiado los videojuegos, pero de todas formas me pregunto si te genera algo ver que te hacen particularmente detallado y que sos figura en los juegos. Creo que es un indicador de lo que representás en la liga. En el NBA Live anterior el comentarista era Steve Kerr y en una parte decía "Manu used to school me in practice" jajaja.
Creo que a Steve Kerr hasta Pop “schooled him” in practice! Je je. No era precisamente el mejor defensor de la liga! (Un chiste, Steve es un GRANDE). Sí, es un indicador de respeto y prefiero que “me hagan bueno” a malo, solo eso.

¿Tony salió en tapa del juego en Europa, se pone insufrible o no le da importancia?
Salió en la tapa de USA este año! Europa creo que fue el año pasado. No, no se pone insufrible, no dice nada. Ya estamos todos acostumbrados a verlo en todos lados!

Pop parece complicadísimo como coach, pero a la vez parece un gran tipo. ¿Tenés onda con él fuera de la organización o todo esta circunscripto a los Spurs?
Sí, tengo muy buena relación con él y su familia. Es un GRAN tipo (sí, con mayúsculas).


fabri'sgirls
¿Por qué los jugadores lesionados NBA viajan con sus equipos en las giras y partidos de visitante, es por algo anímico del jugador o por la recuperación de la lesión aprovechando al cuerpo médico que viaja? ¿Tal vez por otra cosa?
Depende la lesión, pero si no es grave se viaja para hacer rehabilitación con los trainers. Muchas veces no se juega, pero se entrena, entonces tenés que estar con el equipo.

¿Por qué creés que la CABB no sacó un DVD oficial como sí hicieron la UAR (Union Argentina de Rugby) y la AFA (Asociación de Futbol Argentina) aprovechando los mayores logros de sus selecciones?
No tengo la más mínima idea. Ni sabía que la UAR y la AFA habían sacado los suyos. Anda a CABB.com.ar y preguntales…

Fabri le dijo a una revista que la relación que tiene con vos es de novios. ¿En qué etapa de ese noviazgo pensás que están?
En la crisis de los 7 años… La luna de miel ya pasó.


NANA
Hope you are healing just fine and getting ready to mentally play what you do best. Like I've mentioned before I've been a Rocket fan most of my life and most recently I became a Manu Ginobili fan (dummy me I waited too long) and honestly I hope you can forgive me for not being a Spur fan.
Okay, here is my question....Is there any chance on earth I could possibly get a picture of you & Scola at a Spurs & Rockets game? I know I might be asking for too much, but well, you never know. If your answer is yes, I will wear a shirt with both Rockets and Spurs on it. You won't miss me. Please,please say "yes".

I’ll do my best to make it happen and remember. But is not that easy since the locker rooms are on opposite ends of the courts


ge
Como no se bien qué preguntar, me interesaría probar tu memoria en un momento puntual de tu carrera que, curiosamente, varios marcan como de quiebre en un contexto de despegue. Tu padre, tu hermano Leandro y hasta Pepe hablan mucho de un partido de sub 22 en la cancha de 9 de julio que la rompiste. Recalcan una volcada. ¿Qué te acordás (si es que te acordás)? Sí, me acuerdo! Tengo un amigo muy íntimo que me lo recuerda seguido, ya que él jugaba en 9 de Julio y casualmente me defendió por gran parte del partido, así que siempre dice que llegué a donde llegué gracias a él! Los aros de 9 de Julio eran famosos en su momento porque eran los más bajos de Bahía, eso hay que decirlo también, eh!


WALY
Una sola pregunta y para que no digas después que no hay lugar en la Agenda ¿Se puede hacer una Reunión de los Miembros de la Página después de que termine la temporada, con fines deportivos, solidarios, etílicos o de lo que sea, en algún lugar, preferentemente Bahiense del Norte?
¿Los 4993 que hay registrados hasta el momento? Por qué no esperás que terminemos el estadio y lo hacemos ahí? Je je.


florencia_arg
Este fin de semana fui al Pepsi Music a ver a Los Decadentes (pronto voy a poner las fotos q saqué ), Fito Paez y Calamaro y me quedó otra duda con respecto a tus gustos musicales… ¿sos de escuchar la música de Andres Calamaro, te gustan sus canciones, tenés algún disco de él?
Sí, como dije arriba me gusta mucho Calamaro. El último que tengo es El Regreso y me lo escucho seguido. Alta Suciedad es genial también, me acuerdo que lo escuchaba todo el día en Reggio Calabria!

Como ya se acerca mi cumple ( 20/10) me adelante y me hice un auto regalo. Me compré dos remeras de tu marca de ropa ( una azul que tiene tu contorno y alrededor de la misma tiene palabras en inglés y la naranja que dice you can play. ¿Las remeras las diseñaste vos? ¿Fue gente de Nike las que la diseñaron?
Tuve charlas con ellos y les conté sobre mis gustos, los colores que quería, lo que yo usaba y esas cosas. Ellos iban trayéndome ideas y yo descartaba, aprobaba o pedía alguna modificación. TeamWork como le dicen. Mis favoritas son las remeras de las siluetas y el buzo con capucha que me parece genial, pero me gustan todas en serio.


REL_ampago
Tantas cosas que decir, pero seria poco operativo ¿no? Tratar de entretenerte con demasiadas cosas. Me llamo al silencio y procedo a la pregunta por nuestro bien jaja. Si tuvieras que decirle algo a un jugador como para lograr incentivarlo tanto en el juego como en la vida ¿Que le dirías? ¿Encontrarías una frase (no necesariamente una sola) que lo lleve a sacar lo mejor de sí en la cancha y fuera de ella? Tengo miles de preguntas, como ya dije tengo mucho para decirte, pero por ser la primera vez que tengo la oportunidad de preguntar va solo una. Un gran defecto mío es que tiendo a escribir demasiado y de seguro aburro... Así que hasta ahí, no más.
Mirá relámpago, la verdad que las preguntas son muy buenas, pero complejas y necesitan desarrollo, cosa que después de responder unas 50, no te puedo ofrecer! Creo que prefiero en este momento la del color fucsia del inicio! Divertite con el básquet que es solo un deporte, un gran deporte y viví la vida que es corta, a pleno y siempre respetando al de al lado.
En este preciso momento es lo que me sale decirte.



Como siempre un abrazo grande a todos y hasta la próxima oportunidad.
A wall of text hits you for 10,000 damage. You die.

[century]

There is nothing "wrong" with it. If that is what you believe, that is what you believe. God gave everyone the choice to have free will and choose for themselves. I am saying someone as smart as Manu, even though he might not believe would be more careful choosing his words in a public forum. Just like there is nothing wrong with saying you hate the National Anthem because America gives you the choice, does not mean there is not a time and place to make your opinions known in a palatable way.


You're an idiot. Fuck you!

[jalberto]

In argentina, the worst criminals of the military repression were all very religious people who used to go to church every sunday.
Religion is not a guarantee of honesty, dignity or morality, and many times (see the newspapers) is a social disguise where to hide the trash.

[baseline bum]

Summary of thread:

DPG: People should shut the fuck up in the name of political correctness.
Everyone else: You're a fucking retard, DPG.

/thread

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I'm going to try to explain a bit from somebody from Argentina that reads that. Hopefully you'll bear with me and try to understand.

He didn't mean the 'delicate' in that quote. Believe me. We say that when we talk about a topic like that (drunk, easy girls, etc) because of the significant other (:lol).

About the car, you need to understand the context. A BMW, Audi, even a Benz is a complete rarity in Argentina. He's currently engaged in building a stadium in his native city, Bahia Blanca, where the government promised to pay 50% of it, and where Manu's sponsors are paying for the other half. He's already been criticized (unjustly in my opinion) because he's not footing the bill for the whole thing. The last thing he needs is some radio show coming out and saying "Well, he could sell the BMW and the Audi and pay for the whole thing" (critique like that already happened, BTW).

I'll tell you a little story that happened to me personally. I actually happen to drive a Benz and a Jeep (wife's car). My dad had the very, very stupid idea of telling my neighbors that we own those. When I went to visit last month, all my neighbors would ask me about were the Benz and the 4x4 (that's what they call SUV's over there). It was really uncomfortable. And this is El Nono, not Manu Ginobili.

Well here's an exaggeration if I've ever seen one. Audi, Benz, BMW are as rare here as you make them out to be.

[Marhq]

I don't really think it is contradictory. I'm an staunch atheist, but I still say "oh my god" when I'm surprised, or "goddamnit" when I'm frustrated. It's just idiomatic usage. I don't even think about it when I do it. I don't have to believe in blessings to reflexively say "bless you" when someone sneezes.
Exactly, I'm as atheist as they come, but although I try to avoid them I often find myself using those expressions (their spanish counterparts, of course). They are culturally imprinted on people and shouldn't be taken exclusively as a statement of faith.

Saludos.

[ElNono]

Well here's an exaggeration if I've ever seen one. Audi, Benz, BMW are as rare here as you make them out to be.

Well, I was there last month. Outside of Puerto Madero, Palermo and Devoto, I can count the amount of BMW's, Benz and Audis I saw with ONE hand. I actually remember seeing just ONE Mercedes (a 300E) in an entire week I spent in Mar del Plata.

I mean, in the parking lot right outside this apartment complex, which is not in any rich neighborhood at all, there are 2 BMW's 325, my old Benz, another Benz CLK, a Porsche Boxter, an old Porsche 911, an Audi A8 and an Audi TT.

Let's put in the number of dealerships... when I tried to show my cousin the Mercedes SLK that one of our customers have (which is sick), I looked up where there was an official Mercedes dealer, and there was only one for the entire Capital Federal in Puerto Madero (They're also the the official Jeep dealers). When I went there, they didn't even have the car. They told me it's too expensive and they only import it on a special order.

[century]

What's the big deal about Manu's religious viewpoint anyway? I recall reading that Duncan is not a jesus freak either. Robinson is but it didn't get him anyplace. Duncan did.

[MannyIsGod]

I could have told you all DPG was an idiot a long time ago.

[tp2021]

Yes. That is how I talk to people and I have a lot of friends that are not Christians. We discuss things like this and get along just fine. I was just commenting on the old adage "you don't discuss politics or religion over dinner" type deal. I have no beef with what he said or how he said it though. I just thought it was little odd to see such direct honesty to fans on a subject that I thought was sensitive. Sometimes that refreshing honesty gets famous people in trouble and opens the doors to more privacy invasion and judgments.

So you simply commented out of concern for how Manu would be portrayed? If that's it, it is okay. Nobody whose opinion he cares about will think of him differently.

[DPG21920]

I believe Hitler was Christian, no?

Atheism is a little different.


It's unclear exactly what Hitler believed. Many Christians like to use the "Hitler was an atheist" as an argument for the need for God in one's life, but Hitler was quoted on many occasions (particularly in his book, Mein Kampf) as citing God as a motivating factor in his life.

It seems clear that Hitler was not an atheist, but that doesn't mean he believes in the Judeo-Christian God. Guy was a loon.


You're an idiot. Fuck you!


Summary of thread:

DPG: People should shut the fuck up in the name of political correctness.
Everyone else: You're a fucking retard, DPG.

/thread


I could have told you all DPG was an idiot a long time ago.

Do you know me Manny? Ask the people that met me at the gtg if they thought I was an idiot.

I in no way, shape or form said people "should shut up in the name of pc". I said I was surprised he gave such an honest answer in a public forum. I said it caught me off guard because the other questions were so light-hearted. That is all. You are making up shit that I said and blowing things out of context because it is a sensitive subject that you misinterpreted.

This is not about his beliefs at all or mine or yours. This is strictly about a PR thing. That is it. I did not even think it was a big deal when I made my first comments and then a bunch of people started interpreting and reading into what I said without asking for clarification.

The Hitler reference was made to someone's obscure point that had nothing to do with my original point. They were trying to argue about judgments (which I never judged Manu) and I took it to an extreme to prove a point that if one person has the right to believe, everyone does. You do not have the right to hurt others but you can say and believe what you will. You will have to suffer the consequences of your words. I clearly said Manu is in no way like the KKK or Hitler.

For those of you talking shit. I am sure you would say stuff like that to peoples faces.

[DPG21920]

People who use God to justify hurting others or spreading hate disgust me. So who cares if Hitler said he was a Christian, how did he act?

[MannyIsGod]

You don't think I'd tell you you're an idiot to your face?

hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahha

[DPG21920]

So you simply commented out of concern for how Manu would be portrayed? If that's it, it is okay. Nobody whose opinion he cares about will think of him differently.

That is exactly what I was trying to say with my first post (to a certain degree). If you look back at all my post, I tried to say it was not about religious beliefs or right or wrong. I was just surprised (do to the nature of the questions before that one) that he would open himself up so directly. That is all. Then a bunch of people started bringing up other issues that had nothing to do with what I said and attacked me on them. Then I had to defend myself against a bunch of things I did not say, but that I had opinions on in a different regard. I have typed this 100 times and I do not know why people do not get it.

[DPG21920]

You don't think I'd tell you you're an idiot to your face?

hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahha

No I don't. At least not in a way that you would be willing to get your ass beat. You might say it jokingly or matter of factly, but not in a way that you are coming across now.

[MannyIsGod]

No I don't. At least not in a way that you would be willing to get your ass beat. You might say it jokingly or matter of factly, but not in a way that you are coming across now.

:lmao

You should ask the people who've met me at GTGs what they think of that.

You're an idiot and me being in front of you wouldn't change that. If I meet you at a GTG, the first thing I'll say to you is that you're an idiot and I'll say it with every bit of disdain that I say it on here because I not only believe you're an idiot, I believe you're a fucking retarded idiot.

Now, if after I say it to your stupid fucking face, if you'd like to take a swing, I fucking DARE you.

[timvp]

:lmao

You should ask the people who've met me at GTGs what they think of that.

You're an idiot and me being in front of you wouldn't change that. If I meet you at a GTG, the first thing I'll say to you is that you're an idiot and I'll say it with every bit of disdain that I say it on here because I not only believe you're an idiot, I believe you're a fucking retarded idiot.

Now, if after I say it to your stupid fucking face, if you'd like to take a swing, I fucking DARE you.Manu would tell you to turn the other cheek.

[tp2021]

Manny, do you really have to start a fight on the internet? Can't we all just get along, Allah Damn it!

[DPG21920]

Who said I was going to swing you mental midget. I said I doubt you would talk shit to people you do not know the way you do on here. You think any thing you say could get me mad enough to fight you. You are a joke of a human if you think that is true. You must be really tough if all the gtg people will tell me that messing with Manny is a bad idea. You do not know me or anything about me. Daring someone to swing not only proves that you are an idiot, but also not a good fighter because there is usually one rule in a fight: hit first and hit hard. So since you are so educated (...) I guess that makes you smart enough to call someone an idiot that you do not know.

[ElNono]

:lmao

Now, if after I say it to your stupid fucking face, if you'd like to take a swing, I fucking DARE you.

All you do is pick up fights and post rigged polls... STFU already bitch!
:lmao

[ElNono]

And please, don't make me beat the shit out of both of you...

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[MannyIsGod]

Who said I was going to swing you mental midget. I said I doubt you would talk shit to people you do not know the way you do on here. You think any thing you say could get me mad enough to fight you. You are a joke of a human if you think that is true. You must be really tough if all the gtg people will tell me that messing with Manny is a bad idea. You do not know me or anything about me. Daring someone to swing not only proves that you are an idiot, but also not a good fighter because there is usually one rule in a fight: hit first and hit hard. So since you are so educated (...) I guess that makes you smart enough to call someone an idiot that you do not know.

WTF are you rambling about? Jesus Christ, posts like this are why I consider you a god damn moron. You threaten to beat my ass then you back peddle faster than McCain on economics.

:lmao

I soooooooooooooo can't wait to call you an idiot.

PS I doubt anyone will tell you that messing with me is a bad idea, but I know they'll all tell you that I'll definitely call you an idiot.

[DPG21920]

:lmao

You should ask the people who've met me at GTGs what they think of that.

You're an idiot and me being in front of you wouldn't change that. If I meet you at a GTG, the first thing I'll say to you is that you're an idiot and I'll say it with every bit of disdain that I say it on here because I not only believe you're an idiot, I believe you're a fucking retarded idiot.

Now, if after I say it to your stupid fucking face, if you'd like to take a swing, I fucking DARE you.


WTF are you rambling about? Jesus Christ, posts like this are why I consider you a god damn moron. You threaten to beat my ass then you back peddle faster than McCain on economics.

:lmao

I soooooooooooooo can't wait to call you an idiot.


Where did I back peddle? Where did I threaten to beat your ass. You seem to think a lot of yourself.

[MannyIsGod]

Excellent, you've mastered the quote function. Next you'll master posting without coming across as a dumb shit. Baby steps.

[Purple & Gold]

:corn:

[DPG21920]

Excellent, you've mastered the quote function. Next you'll master posting without coming across as a dumb shit. Baby steps.

You are not a very clever person. Everyone on here (especially you) has said a few things that people do not agree with, that people misinterpret and that people overlook. That does not make them idiots. Many people on here (including myself) have things they are very good at outside of posting on SpursTalk.

[MannyIsGod]

You are not a very clever person. Everyone on here (especially you) has said a few things that people do not agree with, that people misinterpret and that people overlook. That does not make them idiots. Many people on here (including myself) have things they are very good at outside of posting on SpursTalk.

Want a cookie?

[DPG21920]

No I don't. At least not in a way that you would be willing to get your ass beat. You might say it jokingly or matter of factly, but not in a way that you are coming across now.

It is called comprehension. I said you would not say it in a way that you would be willing to get your ass beat. Where in there did I say I am going to beat your ass? I said there would be a difference in how you talk to people, even saying the same thing.

[DPG21920]

Want a cookie?

Want earmuffs?

[baseline bum]

It's not enough for DPG to get curbstomped on the internet; he keeps asking for the real-life equivalent in addition.

[MannyIsGod]

Its ok. He's really good at stuff outside of posting on Spurstalk.

[DPG21920]

It's not enough for DPG to get curbstomped on the internet; he keeps asking for the real-life equivalent in addition.

What the f are you talking about. After people calmed down and realized what I tried to say, many got it and understood. The only reason I got curbstomped was because a bunch of people jumped on the bandwagon when a few people started throwing their loose interpretations of what I said.

As far a real life, there sure are a lot of tough guys all of the sudden. If you knew me outside of this bull shit I am sure you would not feel the same way. Just like the people that met me at the gtg I went to.

[DPG21920]

Its ok. He's really good at stuff outside of posting on Spurstalk.

I am good at posting as well. Not every post is great. But more good than bad. You on the other hand seem to be good at being a dick. There are no bonus points in life for being miserable and unlikeable.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao

[DPG21920]

Smilies are for girls.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Smilies are for girls.

Yeah, this is one of those bad comments you were talking about earlier.

[tp2021]

This thread:

Somebody translate this!

Manu doesn't believe in God?

Manu doesn't believe in God!

Why would he say that?

Why wouldn't he?

Argue argue argue

Everyone: DPG, ur dum.

DPG: This is a misunderstanding, but I can't get that across very well.

Manny: Ur dum.

DPG: No U R!

Manny: Lets fight!

It reminds me of this picture, which contains possibly offensive language, so I will link to it:
http://media.fukung.net/images/8859/8d0e736c9e0d9198a38ae58770e4bf6b.png

[baseline bum]

What the f are you talking about. After people calmed down and realized what I tried to say, many got it and understood. The only reason I got curbstomped was because a bunch of people jumped on the bandwagon when a few people started throwing their loose interpretations of what I said.



Nope, you're still a moron. You repeatedly argued that Manu shouldn't express a non-politically correct opinion on his own site.

[DPG21920]

That is a loose translation and he could be joking or it could be taken out of context. Manu is smart and I highly doubt even if he did not believe that he would post it for the world to read. Who is he Josh Howard?


Yes. That is how I talk to people and I have a lot of friends that are not Christians. We discuss things like this and get along just fine. I was just commenting on the old adage "you don't discuss politics or religion over dinner" type deal. I have no beef with what he said or how he said it though. I just thought it was little odd to see such direct honesty to fans on a subject that I thought was sensitive. Sometimes that refreshing honesty gets famous people in trouble and opens the doors to more privacy invasion and judgments.


This thread:

Somebody translate this!

Manu doesn't believe in God?

Manu doesn't believe in God!

Why would he say that?

Why wouldn't he?

Argue argue argue

Everyone: DPG, ur dum.

DPG: This is a misunderstanding, but I can't get that across very well.

Manny: Ur dum.

DPG: No U R!

Manny: Lets fight!

It reminds me of this picture, which contains possibly offensive language, so I will link to it:
http://media.fukung.net/images/8859/8d0e736c9e0d9198a38ae58770e4bf6b.png


Nope, you're still a moron. You repeatedly argued that Manu shouldn't express a non-politically correct opinion on his own site.

Nope that is where you are wrong bum. I never said that. I said I am surprised he answered such a question so openly on his own forum. Considering the other questions were very light-hearted, it caught me off guard and I thought he would take the road he did with the "car" question.

You can see my quotes and what i said and know what i meant.

[tp2021]

^ Why did you quote me?

[Mister Sinister]

Ouch.

Let me be more direct. Reading your posts is like watching a person drowning very slowly.

Your half-assed, swiss cheese theories have been thoroughly destroyed. Mister Sinister, Obstructed View, timvp, et. al. have so completely debunked your bullshit, yet you keep paddling, hoping for that one last breath.

Your responses are consistently contradictory, repetitive, or change the topic completely. Your analogies could only make a thread of sense in a parallel universe.

You are just not a bright fellow. Let it go, for the love of ____.
Hey, hey, hey! As a deli clerk, I resent that remark! Swiss cheese is awesome!

[DPG21920]

^ Why did you quote me?

I was going to respond and accidentally had you on M-quote. You see what I was trying to get at now, right?

[timvp]

http://vjmorton.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/spurs-nuns.jpg



I really didn't want to post that picture ... but I had to.

[DPG21920]

http://vjmorton.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/spurs-nuns.jpg



I really didn't want to post that picture ... but I had to.

That's funny. I am not mad at all. Frustrated yes, but not mad. I can admit when I am wrong, agree with other people's views (which I did many times in this thread) and laugh when something is funny.

I just cannot believe how misconstrued some things get.

[MannyIsGod]

I can't believe how you just keep going and going. You're like a retarded energizer bunny.

[DPG21920]

I can't believe how you just keep going and going. You're like a retarded energizer bunny.


If that is not the kettle calling the pot black. So go ahead and respond again...

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

Want to count who has the most posts in this thread?

[DPG21920]

:lol

Want to count the posts in this thread?

What does that matter, you keep replying to everything I say when you were not even involved in the original conversation just because you have to reach your "being a dick" quota.

Besides this name another topic that led you to believe I was an idiot.

[Xylus]

DPG has 121 posts in this thread thus far. Baseline has the 2nd most with... 29.

[DPG21920]

DPG has 121 posts in this thread thus far. Baseline has the 2nd most with... 29.

I had to defend myself and clarify over and over. That is an insane amount of post though!

That is like saying Tim Duncan took the most shots; get your best player the ball ya know.....

j/k

[timvp]

4lYja9nyV2c

That commercial may now have more meaning . . .

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Well, I was there last month. Outside of Puerto Madero, Palermo and Devoto, I can count the amount of BMW's, Benz and Audis I saw with ONE hand. I actually remember seeing just ONE Mercedes (a 300E) in an entire week I spent in Mar del Plata.

I mean, in the parking lot right outside this apartment complex, which is not in any rich neighborhood at all, there are 2 BMW's 325, my old Benz, another Benz CLK, a Porsche Boxter, an old Porsche 911, an Audi A8 and an Audi TT.

Let's put in the number of dealerships... when I tried to show my cousin the Mercedes SLK that one of our customers have (which is sick), I looked up where there was an official Mercedes dealer, and there was only one for the entire Capital Federal in Puerto Madero (They're also the the official Jeep dealers). When I went there, they didn't even have the car. They told me it's too expensive and they only import it on a special order.

again, I don't know where you were, or whether you had your eyes closed, but I go to Puerto Madero every day, and there are BMW's everywhere, Benz although not as numerous are quite common, and Audis everywhere. You're either blind, or you're talking out of your ass.

P.S. Of course, we are talking about the richest section of Buenos Aires, so it really doesn't represent Argentina as a whole. I do believe you're exaggerating though, they are not as rare as you're making them out to be.

[MannyIsGod]

How is this thread 14 pages long?

DPG's 120+ posts of saying Manu shouldn't have answer a question and comparing his answer to the beliefs of Nazis and the KKK as well as comparing the answer to racism.

Oh, and change your settings, I'm only on page 9.

[tp2021]

4lYja9nyV2c

That commercial may now have more meaning . . .

Gatorade is the Devil?



Oh, and Manu flopped on the 3rd play. :lol

[ElNono]

again, I don't know where you were, or whether you had your eyes closed, but I go to Puerto Madero every day, and there are BMW's everywhere, Benz although not as numerous are quite common, and Audis are everywhere. You're either blind, or you're talking out of your ass.

P.S. Of course, we are talking about the richest section of Buenos Aires, so it really doesn't represent Argentina as a whole. I do believe you're exaggerating though, they are not as rare as you're making them out to be.

What part of 'outside of Puerto Madero, Palermo or Devoto' you didn't understand?
Ofcourse Puerto Madero is not reperesentative of Argentina. It's not even representative of 5% of the entire Ciudad Autonoma de Buenos Aires alone.

What you're telling me is that Ferraris are not that rare in Argentina because you live in Avenida del Libertador... it's just stupid.
And you can't tell me with a straight face that people don't turn around when they see a Porche 911 going around.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

What part of 'outside of Puerto Madero, Palermo or Devoto' you didn't understand?
Ofcourse Puerto Madero is not reperesentative of Argentina. It's not even representative of 5% of the entire Ciudad Autonoma de Buenos Aires alone.

What you're telling me is that Ferraris are not that rare in Argentina because you live in Avenida del Libertador... it's just stupid.
And you can't tell me with a straight face that people don't turn around when they see a Porche 911 going around.

I'm saying you're making it sound as if a BMW, a Benz or an AUDI are rare sightings here, and I'm telling you you're full of shit. I didn't say anything about a Porshe or a Ferrari, which I think are pretty rare in most places, but that's just me.

EDIT: I missed the part of outside of Puerto Madero, Palermo or Devoto, my bad.

Ever been to San Isidro? Acasuso? Martinez?

[carina_gino20]

4lYja9nyV2c

That commercial may now have more meaning . . .

I thought you were not going to post in this thread? :lol

[ElNono]

I'm saying you're making it sound as if a BMW, a Benz or an AUDI are rare sightings here, and I'm telling you you're full of shit. I didn't say anything about a Porshe or a Ferrari, which I think are pretty rare in most places, but that's just me.

They're such a common occurence that even you admit that you can only spot them basically in ONE neighborhood on THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

Thank you, you just made my point.

Edit: I've been to San Isidro and Martinez. Again, not representative of Argentina overall at all. I mean, you just need to take a look at General Paz or Panamericana and take a look. Ford, Peugeot, Fiat... That's common. Small cars in general. The rest is more or less a rarity.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

They're such a common occurence that even you admit that you can only spot them basically in ONE neighborhood on THE ENTIRE COUNTRY.

Thank you, you just made my point.

Give me a fucking break! A Benz is not a rare sighting in Buenos Aires, anybody who has been here more than a fucking week knows this, a BMW and an Audi even less so. From your answer I can probably tell you've never been to San Isidro, or Acasuso, or Martinez or anywhere in Zona Norte for that matter. By the way, Buenos Aires isn't the entire country, there are areas of Mendoza where those cars aren't that rare either.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Edit: I've been to San Isidro and Martinez. Again, not representative of Argentina overall at all. I mean, you just need to take a look at General Paz or Panamericana and take a look. Ford, Peugeot, Fiat... That's common. Small cars in general. The rest is more or less a rarity.

Pleeease! show me a place that is representative of any country where BMW's, Benz's and Audis are "common". Obviously, I wasn't saying everyone is driving one. I'm saying people don't turn their head at the sight of one is what I'm saying.

In fact, I can honestly say to you that I probably see 3 or 4 of each on an everyday basis around Capital Federal

[MannyIsGod]

The real question is does Manu beleive Benz's are rare in BA? And should he answer to avoid DPG's blacklash?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

The real question is does Manu beleive Benz's are rare in BA? And should he answer to avoid DPG's blacklash?

:lol I think its worst, I think Manu thinks people like DPG are rare :lol

[ElNono]

Pleeease! show me a place that is representative of any country where BMW's, Benz's and Audis are "common". Obviously, I wasn't saying everyone is driving one. I'm saying people don't turn their head at the sight of one is what I'm saying.
Come on over. And I'm not even talking New York. Plain old Jersey will do.



In fact, I can honestly say to you that I probably see 3 or 4 of each on an everyday basis around Capital Federal

LOL, EXACTLY! Now, how many Ford Ka or Peugeot 306 you see everyday? 40? 60?

[anakha]

An argument over a Spur's religious beliefs and an argument over cars in the same thread.

Only in SpursTalk. :lol

[ElNono]

The real question is does Manu beleive Benz's are rare in BA? And should he answer to avoid DPG's blacklash?

LOL. The funny thing is that Manu has said he likes German cars. And I know he owns at least a BMW and an Audi.

Now on a more serious note, and back to what I was saying, any of those cars (rare or not, so we don't upset our Argie friend here :LOL), still cost upwards of $50K new over there, but the difference is that there's basically no credit for purchasing cars over there, which means only the real rich people can afford them. Naturally, driving one of those can easily be construed as showing off.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Come on over. And I'm not even talking New York. Plain old Jersey will do.

I'm no expert on the subject or anything, but you own a Benz, and from the description of your parking lot, I'm pretty sure yours is no accurate representation of the US. :lol


LOL, EXACTLY! Now, how many Ford Ka or Peugeot 306 you see everyday? 40? 60?

Again, I didn't say everyone was driving them, or that they were the most common cars around. Here's what I said


I'm saying people don't turn their head at the sight of one is what I'm saying.

if I see 3 or 4 every day, and unless you think I just happen to encounter the only 3 or 4 Benz in Buenos Aires every day, I'm pretty sure we can agree that's not a rarity.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

LOL. The funny thing is that Manu has said he likes German cars. And I know he owns at least a BMW and an Audi.

Now on a more serious note, and back to what I was saying, any of those cars (rare or not, so we don't upset our Argie friend here :LOL), still cost upwards of $50K new over there, but the difference is that there's basically no credit for purchasing cars over there, which means only the real rich people can afford them. Naturally, driving one of those can easily be construed as showing off.

I'm not upset, I'm simply correcting your erroneous statement

[ElNono]

An argument over a Spur's religious beliefs and an argument over cars in the same thread.

Only in SpursTalk. :lol

You mean cars are not a religion also? :lol

[Cherry]

I had to defend myself and clarify over and over. That is an insane amount of post though!



Or, you can get over it and understand that we all get your point.

Seriously, keep going and going just for defend yourself is retarded.:donkey

[remingtonbo2001]

I wonder if this question has been taken out of context.

As many have precluded, the English language is very unique in the way sentences are structured. I'm wondering, more or less if Manu takes the Einstein approach that God is more super-personal than personal.

As translated...

Autumn: Answer a question please! What meaning does God have in your life?
Manu: I am not Believing!

Therefore, by answering in such a way, Manu's comments do not commit him to a religion, or personal relationship with God, such as being a Christian.

Personally, if these statements are true, which I have no reason to believe otherwise, it is disappointing. As a Christian, I do care about the faith of other individuals. However, I also respect a person's right to choose as they see fit.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I wonder if this question has been taken out of context.

As many have precluded, the English language is very unique in the way sentences are structured. I'm wondering, more or less if Manu takes the Einstein approach that God is more super-personal than personal.

As translated...

Autumn: Answer a question please! What meaning does God have in your life?
Manu: I am not Believing!

Therefore, by answering in such a way, Manu's comments do not commit him to a religion, or personal relationship with God, such as being a Christian.

Personally, if these statements are true, which I have no reason to believe otherwise, it is disappointing. As a Christian, I do care about the faith of other individuals. However, I also respect a person's right to choose as they see fit, so long as those beliefs or actions do not bring harm to themselves or another individual.

Well, I can tell you that from what he wrote, there is absolutely no ambiguity, he does NOT believe in God. I'm sorry if that is disappointing for you, but that's what he said.

[ElNono]

I'm no expert on the subject or anything, but you own a Benz, and from the description of your parking lot, I'm pretty sure yours is no accurate representation of the US. :lol

Did I say it's a big apartment complex? :lol
Well, I've been to Miami, Orlando, Denver, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Portland, Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, the Valley in South Texas, Portland, Connecticut, New York, Philadelphia, Detroit and obviously Jersey, and I'd say with the exception of the Valley and Detroit, the rest are pretty representative. The trick is that all those brands here in the US are not substaintially more expensive that Volvo or Cadillac, or even compared to a good Honda car.



Again, I didn't say everyone was driving them, or that they were the most common cars around. Here's what I said

if I see 3 or 4 every day, and unless you think I just happen to encounter the only 3 or 4 Benz in Buenos Aires every day, I'm pretty sure we can agree that's not a rarity.

Ok, would it be fair to say that's uncommon then? IE, it's not a common vehicle to see? I think were dealing with semantics at this point.

[ElNono]

I'm not upset, I'm simply correcting your erroneous statement

Thank you. You just spit all over my asado, but I'm gonna let it pass because you are a Manu fan. :lol

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Thank you. You just spit all over my asado, but I'm gonna let it pass because you are a Manu fan. :lol

:lol

[remingtonbo2001]

Well, I can tell you that from what he wrote, there is absolutely no ambiguity, he does NOT believe in God. I'm sorry if that is disappointing for you, but that's what he said.

Okay....Don't cry for me Argentina. :lol (Okay, that was kinda lame)

But do you understand what I am saying? One could interpret Manu's comments as a statment that God does not have any (personal) meaning in Manu's life, which would be different than saying Manu does not believe in the existance of God.

I'm asking these questions because the English language can be tricky when dealing with translations. However, I'll take the opinions of other native Argentinians regarding the translation.

[velik_m]

What Manu was trying to say is, that because of his injury, he really doesn't believe in himself right now.

[ElNono]

Okay.

But do you understand what I am saying? One could interpret Manu's comments as a statment that God does not have any (personal) meaning in Manu's life, which would be different than saying Manu does not believe in the existance of God.

I'm asking these questions because the English language can be tricky when dealing with translations. However, I'll take the opinions of other native Argentinians regarding the translation.

He said, without a doubt, the he does not believe in God.
Let me make it more clear, so there's no second guessing about the translation: The expression he used is the expression used in our country to say that you don't believe in God. We normally don't go as far as distinguishing wether you're agnostic or atheist, we just say wether we believe or not. He doesn't.

[ElNono]

What Manu was trying to say is, that because of his injury, he really doesn't believe in himself right now.

:lol

[MaNuMaNiAc]

He said, without a doubt, the he does not believe in God.
Let me make it more clear, so there's no second guessing about the translation: The expression he used is the expression used in our country to say that you don't believe in God. We normally don't go as far as distinguishing wether you're agnostic or atheist, we just say wether we believe or not. He doesn't.

exactly

[MaNuMaNiAc]

What Manu was trying to say is, that because of his injury, he really doesn't believe in himself right now.

exactly again :lol

[E20]

I would pay to watch Manny and DPG go at it UFC style. I'd buy front row tickets.

As far as Manu goes, he can burn in hell for all I care; as long as he stays a badass on teh court.

[Mister Sinister]

Spoiler: Jesus dies!

[dirk4mvp]

Spoiler: Jesus dies!


:lmao :lmao

[tp2021]

Is it... Is it over yet?

[lefty]

15 pages already?

WTF

Anyway, if Manu believed in God, we would have repeated :rolleyes

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

:tu to Manu. He is one of the rational. I love him more every day. :)

I wonder how many other agnostics/athiests there are on the Spurs?

I'm going to take some wild guesses - TD is a Rastafarian (228 - any word?), TP is agnostic (but wouldn't admit it to the media), Bruce believes in God, Fab is all about Hendrixism, KT is a Satanist, Mikey Fin is a closet Mormon (like Big Shot Rob), Mason believes in the Great Spaghetti Monster, and Red Rocket just started his own religion (for when he gets cut by the Spurs) which involves nubile daywalking virgins and will end with the Apocalypse in 12 years time on a remote ranch surrounded by the FBI. What do you think?

:lmao

[smeagol]

As of Manu's response, I know that I have heard him say, "Thank God..." before, so it's weird that he said he doesn't believe.


It's a figure of speach. It does not mean he believes in God.

[rascal]

Manu probably answered that he does not know what significance God plays in his life.

Didn't he just say he does not know what significance God plays in his life? Thats different that saying he does not believe.

[smeagol]

DPG, you have made an ass of yourself.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way Manu answered the "Do you believe in God?" question. He was honest and susinct. "I am not a believer". And he left it at that.

I believe in God and have no issues with him saying what he said. I would've had issues with him doing what you want him to do, which is to lie or avoid the topic.

[smeagol]

Manu probably answered that he does not know what significance God plays in his life.

Didn't he just say he does not know what significance God plays in his life? Thats different that saying he does not believe.

"No soy creyente", in Argentina, means you do not believe in God.

[Extra Stout]

Manu's response was unequivocal. "No soy creyente" means "I am not a believer."

[Extra Stout]

show me a place that is representative of any country where BMW's, Benz's and Audis are "common".
Mental note: MaNuMaNiAc has never been to Germany, Austria, nor Switzerland. He also apparently has never been in a major city on the West Coast of the United States, nor to any of the large Sunbelt cities like Dallas, Houston, Miami, or Atlanta.

[tp2021]

Show's over people, nothing to see here.

[angel_luv]

Wow- this is a super long thread. I haven't read through it all yet.

I do want to say, in every conversation ( brief though they were) I have ahd with Gino, he has always shown himself to be incredibly courteous and kind.

I think Gino is an excellent Spur and sweet person. I will continue to root for him and pray for him, as I always have.

[hater]

Some San Antonians need to grow up. Ask Timmy Duncan, Michael Jordan, Lebron James, Kobe Bryant if they beleive in God. Most if not all will say no(if they are honest).

grow up!!!

[angel_luv]

While I am personally saddened to learn that Gino is not a Christian, still I applaud Gino for answering the question and doing so, so honestly.

I don't take exception to people for having a lawful difference of opinion. I do have a problem with liars who hide their true feelings out of fear and/ or a hidden agenda.
Gino, to his credit, is not one of the latter.

[whottt]

Sad to see Manu's intelligence is limited...then again he's an Argie so...par for the course.

[DPG21920]

DPG, you have made an ass of yourself.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the way Manu answered the "Do you believe in God?" question. He was honest and susinct. "I am not a believer". And he left it at that.

I believe in God and have no issues with him saying what he said. I would've had issues with him doing what you want him to do, which is to lie or avoid the topic.

Smeagol, you have made an ass of yourself for not reading the 100 post (literally) where I said I HAVE NO PROBLEM THAT HE: 1) DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GOD 2) HOW HE ANSWERED THE QUESTION 3) HOW I WOULD NEVER WANT HIM TO LIE 4) HOW I APPRECIATE HONESTY.

All I said was that I am surprised how he answered so openly and honestly a question (because most famous people do not discuss such things with fans on a forum) considering the rest of the questions were so light-hearted. I figured he would go the route of the "CAR" question and just not answer it rather than invite people that much into his life and possibly take flack from fans and ... because of his beliefs.

I can go back and quote you multiple times where I have said all of that and put it in bold so you can see the truth if you would like.

[ElNono]

Sad to see Manu's intelligence is limited...then again he's an Argie so...par for the course.

His intelligence is so limited... that he's enjoying his life doing what he likes the most, and excelling at it too. While you, the 'intelligent' have to spend your mediocre life posting on a Spurs forum...

Put that way, it makes total sense... :lmao
What a loser...

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Sad to see Manu's intelligence is limited...then again he's an Argie so...par for the course.

there used to be a time where I would have felt insulted by a statement like this coming from you, but you've turned into such a joke around here that its hard not to laugh :lol

[spursfan09]

His intelligence is so limited... that he's enjoying his life doing what he likes the most, and excelling at it too. While you, the 'intelligent' have to spend your mediocre life posting on a Spurs forum...

Put that way, it makes total sense... :lmao
What a loser...

ouch!

[remingtonbo2001]

For the record, this thread shouldn't have made it page 16, the way that it did.

However, I could go through countless threads which shouldn't have made it past page 2.
While I disagree with the majority of DPG's theory, I do understand his point of view and felt that the ridicule intiated by others was completely unecessary.




Sad to see Manu's intelligence is limited.

Faith has very little to do with intellegence, no?

[whottt]

Faith has very little to do with intellegence, no?



Completely false, spirituality is a product of advanced intelligence...

[whottt]

there used to be a time where I would have felt insulted by a statement like this coming from you, but you've turned into such a joke around here that its hard not to laugh :lol



You know what's really funny? I knew you or Arg Scola Fan would be the only Argies stupid enough to respond to that comment :lol

[remingtonbo2001]

Completely false, spirituality is a product of advanced intelligence...

Explain yourself. I think you and I are viewing intellegence from different perspectives.

[whottt]

Explain yourself. I think you and I are viewing intellegence from different perspectives.


Ok, what is the most intelligent creature on Earth?

[Shastafarian]

Ok, what is the most intelligent creature on Earth?

It's not you. That much I know.

This is where he'll claim that humans are the most intelligent and thereby the only ones capable of spirituality. Or some nonsense like that.

[remingtonbo2001]

Ok, what is the most intelligent creature on Earth?

Okay, in the broad sense, intellegence and faith go hand in hand.

What I was implying is an individual's faith my not be proportionate to their intellegence.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

You know what's really funny? I knew you or Arg Scola Fan would be the only Argies stupid enough to respond to that comment :lol

Its that the rest of the Argies just ignore your sorry ass. That's how irrelevant you've become.

[baseline bum]

Completely false, spirituality is a product of advanced intelligence...

If a used-car salesman told you to just have faith the car he's showing you is great and you don't verify his claims, then that's intelligence? Ok, whot.

[ElNono]

Explain yourself. I think you and I are viewing intellegence from different perspectives.

He can't. But don't even bother. He'll proceed to:
A) Make a fool of himself
B) Proclaim that the opposite view was his all along
C) Start calling you names
D) Announce to the rest of the forum he is putting you on ignore
E) Put you on ignore

There are weak posters in this forum, but whottt takes the cake.


Why's everyone laughing?
:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[ElNono]

Ok, what is the most intelligent creature on Earth?

Are you going to dispute that Manu is human?
Where are you going with this? Remember what happened the last time you brought up stupid takes like this one?

[baseline bum]

Okay, in the broad sense, intellegence and faith go hand in hand.


Um, no. Absolute bullshit.

[angel_luv]

Um, no. Absolute bullshit.

I am interested in knowing your take on the subject. Would you be willing to expand it?

That goes for Whott and Bo as well.

[td4mvp21]

I think it's stupid that people equate intelligence to believing or not believing in God. It has nothing to do with intelligence. It has to do with faith (or lack of) and perception IMO.

[baseline bum]

I am interested in knowing your take on the subject. Would you be willing to expand it?

That goes for Whott and Bo as well.

Scroll up to my used-car salesman post.

[Shastafarian]

One could say faith is the lack of desire to understand.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I am interested in knowing your take on the subject. Would you be willing to expand it?

That goes for Whott and Bo as well.

I think his take is pretty clear. Faith has nothing to do with intelligence. In fact its pretty darn insulting just to imply it. I'm willing to bet that if someone here said that faith is related to lower IQs, this thread would be even longer than it is now.

[ElNono]

One could say faith is the lack of desire to understand.

Or you could argue that whottt fails to understand... :lol

[hater]

Some people are dumb as shit.

If it had not being for all the atheist geniuses we would still be living in the stone age.

Here are some of the "dumb" atheists :lol

Albert Einstein
Abraham Lincoln
Ernest Hemingway
Charles Darwin
Galileo Galilei
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Edison
etc, etc

[Shastafarian]

Or you could argue that whottt fails to understand... :lol

What's there to argue?

[timvp]

I think Gino is an excellent Spur and sweet person. I will continue to root for him and pray for him, as I always have.Didn't you say that you would vote for the presidential candidate who was most Christian? How come something as simple as rooting interest isn't held up to the same standard? :)












:stirpot:

[dirk4mvp]

If a used-car salesman told you to just have faith the car he's showing you is great and you don't verify his claims, then that's intelligence? Ok, whot.

You can take a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bull's ass, but wouldn't you rather take the butcher's word for it?

[timvp]

Um, no. Absolute bullshit.Would you say the opposite is true?










:stirpot:

[angel_luv]

Since faith is "being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see"
(Hebrews 11:1), it has to be something that transends and is not dependent on mere human understanding.

Believing in something you do not see does not reconcile easily with humans' logic. Nonetheless, to do so is what God calls faith and is what He requires of believers.

" Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty." ( Zechariah 4:6)

God does not require anything which He is not willing to empower us to do.

[timvp]

It's not you. That much I know.Would you ever tell whottt if you were to agree with him?



















:stirpot:

[Shastafarian]

You can take a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a bull's ass, but wouldn't you rather take the butcher's word for it?

Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time.

[angel_luv]

Scroll up to my used-car salesman post.

I just saw it. Thank you. :)

[td4mvp21]

Some people are dumb as shit.

If it had not being for all the atheist geniuses we would still be living in the stone age.

Here are some of the "dumb" atheists :lol

Albert Einstein
Abraham Lincoln
Ernest Hemingway
Charles Darwin
Galileo Galilei
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Edison
etc, etc

I thought Franklin and Edison were deists?

[Shastafarian]

Would you ever tell whottt if you were to agree with him?


Hard to say. I never have.

[timvp]

Believe.Are you going to have to come up with something else once Manu returns from injury?




















:stirpot:

[Xylus]

Well there are certain studies that show that well-educated people are much less likely to believe in God...

[ElNono]

Since faith is "being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see"
(Hebrews 11:1), it has to be something that transends and is not dependent on mere human understanding.

Believing in something you do not see does not reconcile easily with humans' logic. Nonetheless, to do so is what God calls faith and is what He requires of believers.

" Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,' says the LORD Almighty." ( Zechariah 4:6)

God does not require anything which He is not willing to empower us to do.

So, intelligence has nothing to do with faith?

[ElNono]

Are you going to have to come up with something else once Manu returns from injury?

:stirpot:

LOL :lol

[ElNono]

Would you ever tell whottt if you were to agree with him?


Are you going to ridicule whottt if Obama wins?

:stirpot:

[angel_luv]

Didn't you say that you would vote for the presidential candidate who was most Christian? How come something as simple as rooting interest isn't held up to the same standard? :)

:stirpot:

I love a man who cooks. :lol

Manu has always been very kind to me. While we are not friends in the traditional sense of daily interaction and communication, I still consider him a friend and will pray for him as such.

Manu knows my views on God. More than once I have told him I am praying for him, something for which he has always thanked me for.

That said, as a someone who loves Jesus, I want everyone to love Jesus.

And as someone who strives to live my life according to the Bible's teachings, I want those making decision on my behalf to make decision in accordance with the Word of God.
That is why I can in good conscience both vote for most Biblically correct candidate and still love Manu even while he is still not yet a Christian. :)

[angel_luv]

So, intelligence has nothing to do with faith?

Taking God at His Word above all others is the smartest thing anyone can do.
:)

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Taking God at His Word above all others is the smartest thing anyone can do.
:)

Honestly though, do you believe that those that don't believe are somehow less intelligent than those that do?

[whottt]

Angel, I could go to great lengths but instead I'll try a shortcut.....who has the highest IQ in the world?

What is her political inclination?

Who did she support in the last Presidential election?

[angel_luv]

Honestly though, do you believe that those that don't believe are somehow less intelligent than those that do?

I don't know that any human can measure intelligence in a fair, unbiased way.
There are high iq people that make some incredibly stupid life decisions and there are people with limited educations that make great success of themselves.

All I know for sure is that what matters most in life is honoring God and loving people and neither excessive education or lack thereof should get in the way of that.

[angel_luv]

Angel, I could go to great lengths but instead I'll try a shortcut.....who has the highest IQ in the world?

What is her political inclination?

Who did she support in the last Presidential election?

I don't know the answers to any of those questions, nor can I imagine how they are relevent.

[DPG21920]

Intelligence is the ability to know that faith is what it is and to know that everyone has the ability to make their own decisions. Intelligence means you have the ability to reason and do so in a way that acknowledges the fact that there are just some things that people do not understand.

[Shastafarian]

Angel, I could go to great lengths but instead I'll try a shortcut.....who has the highest IQ in the world?

What is her political inclination?

Who did she support in the last Presidential election?

:lol

A new level of whotttness. Thanks for the laugh Kevin.

[whottt]

PS:

David Robisnon's SAT score qualified him for MENSA, he has a degree in mathematics, his Mom once won a shopping spree and he totalled the bill(with tax) in his head while accompanying her. As a teen he built tv sets. He is extremely intelligent by any definition of the word...he is also a bible thumpin' Jesus freak to the absolute max.


Go ahead and call him a dumbass...


If he was smart like Manu, he'd be an atheist.

[angel_luv]

I'm about to leave work, so talk to you guys later.

Have a great afternoon all. :)

[DPG21920]

People that do not believe are not dumb. There are many people who do not believe but act more in accordance with God's directions than a lot of people that say they believe but do not follow through.

[ElNono]

Taking God at His Word above all others is the smartest thing anyone can do.
:)

I was actually a Christian once, and I know exactly what you're saying. But this is exactly where the church lost me, the whole 'blindly following the fairy tale' part.
That said, I'm going to tell you that my non belief is what works for me. But also Christianity is what works for my mother, and you too, I'm sure. Just as a psychologist or psychiatrist works for other people.
And at the end of the day, I have to respect religion in that sense. It works for some people and make them happy. I can't argue with that.

[hater]

Yes, DRob is smarter that all these ppl:
Albert Einstein
Abraham Lincoln
Ernest Hemingway
Charles Darwin
Galileo Galilei
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Edison


:lmao :lmao

[remingtonbo2001]

There has to be some level of intellegence in order to grasp the concept of faith.

Beyond that, the two are seperate.

[DPG21920]

I was actually a Christian once, and I know exactly what you're saying. But this is exactly where the church lost me, the whole 'blindly following the fairy tale' part.
That said, I'm going to tell you that my non belief is what works for me. But also Christianity is what works for my mother, and you too, I'm sure. Just as a psychologist or psychiatrist works for other people.
And at the end of the day, I have to respect religion in that sense. It works for some people and make them happy. I can't argue with that.

I am a believer, but I decide not to get too caught up in the semantics. I look for what the bible is asking. I look for what rights do all people have as humans and the ones that match are the principles I follow. I figure acting like a good person and believing hurts no one. If I believe and live a good life, then die and nothing happens, I am no worse off. My life was not wasted because I can be proud of how I lived. The only reason I believe is because the true principles of the bible are good for everyone regardless if you believe in God or just in being a good person. I believe because I will never count out the fact that there are so many things in the universe we can not figure out.

[remingtonbo2001]

Taking God at His Word above all others is the smartest thing anyone can do.
:)


I don't know that any human can measure intelligence in a fair, unbiased way.
There are high iq people that make some incredibly stupid life decisions and there are people with limited educations that make great success of themselves.

All I know for sure is that what matters most in life is honoring God and loving people and neither excessive education or lack thereof should get in the way of that.

+1

[hater]

There has to be some level of intellegence in order to grasp the concept of faith.


oh you think?

I bet you I can make the dumbest idiot beleive in God.

You know what I tell him? Beleive or you will burn for all eternity in a fire. And then I show him some pictures of the fire.


religion through fear is something that the dumbest ppl can understand, that is why it is so succesful

[ElNono]

PS:

David Robisnon's SAT score qualified him for MENSA, he has a degree in mathematics, his Mom once won a shopping spree and he totalled the bill(with tax) in his head while accompanying her. As a teen he built tv sets. He is extremely intelligent by any definition of the word...he is also a bible thumpin' Jesus freak to the absolute max.

Go ahead and call him a dumbass...

If he was smart like Manu, he'd be an atheist.

I'm sure David Robinson is a very smart person, but I can double you down with Albert Einstein, an self-proclaimed agnostic. There it goes your 'the smartest dude is a bible thumpin' Jesus freak' argument...
Then again, you get owned too often these days...

[DPG21920]

oh you think?

I bet you I can make the dumbest idiot beleive in God.

You know what I tell him? Beleive or you will burn for all eternity in a fire. And then I show him some pictures of the fire.


religion through fear is something that the dumbest ppl can understand, that is why it is so succesful

But what reason can you give to make someone not believe, how can you prove it?

[hater]

But what reason can you give to make someone not believe, how can you prove it?

BINGO!

you just proved that it takes more brains to not beleive, than to beleive. Props.

[whottt]

Yes, DRob is smarter that all these ppl:
Albert Einstein
Abraham Lincoln
Ernest Hemingway
Charles Darwin
Galileo Galilei
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Edison


:lmao :lmao



:lol those guys aren't shit. You want to see some of the truly immortal atheists?



http://www.geoscanners.com/images/rock_solid_solutions_small.jpg

http://images.chron.com/blogs/leonhale/stump%20feeder%20500.JPG


http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/greeks/religion/pictures/horse.jpg


http://www.stjohn.org/images/upload/babybaby.jpg


http://bp3.blogger.com/_Wzqjp0V8ctg/Rg0p3f0zbVI/AAAAAAAAAAU/dgrAMwFoNpw/s320/DogObedienceTraining.jpg

[remingtonbo2001]

oh you think?

I bet you I can make the dumbest idiot beleive in God.

You know what I tell him? Beleive or you will burn for all eternity in a fire. And then I show him some pictures of the fire.


religion through fear is something that the dumbest ppl can understand, that is why it is so succesful

It's sad that you've formulated that perception.

That isn't what the teaching of Jesus Christ is based upon.

My desire is to be in the presence of God. So, I have faith that if I adhere to His word I will continually be in His presence during my time on Earth and for eternity in Heaven.

[ElNono]

:lol those guys aren't shit. You want to see some of the truly immortal atheists?

http://www.geoscanners.com/images/rock_solid_solutions_small.jpg

http://images.chron.com/blogs/leonhale/stump%20feeder%20500.JPG

Thanks for sharing your family pictures... :toast

[DPG21920]

BINGO!

you just proved that it takes more brains to not beleive, than to beleive. Props.

No I proved your point wrong. If, just like in America's judicial system, you have something you want to condemn, you must prove beyond on a reasonable doubt that you are correct. You cannot do that. No one has been able to do that. If the smartest people in the world are non-believers, you would think at least one of them would of been able to disprove God's existence, right?

[ElNono]

No I proved your point wrong. If, just like in America's judicial system, you have something you want to condemn, you must prove beyond on a reasonable doubt that you are correct. You cannot do that. No one has been able to do that. If the smartest people in the world are non-believers, you would think at least one of them would of been able to disprove God's existence, right?

It actually works the other way around... The reason people do not believe is because religion has failed to prove that God exists... If you could, agnostics would not exist...

[hater]

No I proved your point wrong. If, just like in America's judicial system, you have something you want to condemn, you must prove beyond on a reasonable doubt that you are correct. You cannot do that. No one has been able to do that. If the smartest people in the world are non-believers, you would think at least one of them would of been able to disprove God's existence, right?

haha now you are just messing with me. But I will bite. How can you prove that God exists? you can't. that is why christianism has gone the way of fear mongering.

So all these scientists are atheists BECAUSE they could not find a proof that God exists.

[whottt]

Yes, DRob is smarter that all these ppl:
Albert Einstein
Abraham Lincoln
Ernest Hemingway
Charles Darwin
Galileo Galilei
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Edison


:lmao :lmao

BTW:

http://www.hschamberlain.net/kant/leonardo.jpg


FTW

[smeagol]

Smeagol, you have made an ass of yourself


I probably have . . . many times . . . but not on this thread. That privilage belongs to you.



for not reading the 100 post (literally) where I said I HAVE NO PROBLEM THAT HE: 1) DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GOD 2) HOW HE ANSWERED THE QUESTION 3) HOW I WOULD NEVER WANT HIM TO LIE 4) HOW I APPRECIATE HONESTY.


Dude, you can back-pedal all you want but when this thread started, you were upset Manu answered a simple question (in his own fucking interenet forum, I might add) with the truth:

Q: "What does God mean to you?"

Manu: "I'm not a believer"

How the fuck can that simple answer upset you to the point of making this thread go 18 pages?



All I said was that I am surprised how he answered so openly and honestly a question (because most famous people do not discuss such things with fans on a forum) considering the rest of the questions were so light-hearted.


Bull-fucking-shit.

You said Manu was not smart for simply stating his non belief in God in his own internet forum. You even equated his faith confession with Hitler or the KKK.

Tell me again who has made an ass of himself?




I figured he would go the route of the "CAR" question and just not answer it rather than invite people that much into his life and possibly take flack from fans and ... because of his beliefs.


Why would anyone take flack simply by saying "I do not believe in God"? Are you seriously this retarded?



I can go back and quote you multiple times where I have said all of that and put it in bold so you can see the truth if you would like.


No need to do that. I have read all your posts in this thread, especially the early ones, and they are trully hillarious. I rarelly side with BB in issues regarding religion, but boy is he right on this one!

[remingtonbo2001]

:lol @ everyone going around in circles.

I think we should demand Kori provide a religion section to the forum.

Really, is the Kings Forum even capable of producing 18 pages in a year, let alone a couple of days.

[Kamnik]

Hypocrites are better than atheists. Gotcha :tu



Thank you!


Sorry about that.


As for the rest of the thread, it's ridiculous that it's exploding into an argument with DPG21920.

As of Manu's response, I know that I have heard him say, "Thank God..." before, so it's weird that he said he doesn't believe.
That can be a cultural thing; like a phrase.

I often say in Slovenian "thank god" because it is a phrase that was used in my enviroment when i was a child and got used to it.

But apart from that I do not believe in any god and find most religions simply stupid. (i sincerely feel that way.... dont want to offend anyone)

But I still use the phrase out of habit...

[whottt]

oh you think?

I bet you I can make the dumbest idiot beleive in God.



I bet you can't...I bet you the dumbest idiot lacks the ability to conceive of good or evil, right or wrong, heaven or hell.


The fact that you don't realize that makes you pretty ignorant.

[DPG21920]

It actually works the other way around... The reason people do not believe is because religion has failed to prove that God exists... If you could, agnostics would not exist...


haha now you are just messing with me. But I will bite. How can you prove that God exists? you can't. that is why christianism has gone the way of fear mongering.

So all these scientists are atheists BECAUSE they could not find a proof that God exists.

That is why people do believe. That is the essence of faith. If the smartest minds on earth for 100's of years could not disprove it, then you have to acknowledge that some things are out of humans control and beyond our grasp. That leads one to believe that there is an "unknown" variable. That is where religion comes in.

[DPG21920]

I probably have . . . many times . . . but not on this thread. That privilage belongs to you.





Dude, you can back-pedal all you want but when this thread started, you were upset Manu answered a simple question (in his own fucking interenet forum, I might add) with the truth:

Q: "What does God mean to you?"

Manu: "I'm not a believer"

How the fuck can that simple answer upset you to the point of making this thread go 18 pages?



The answer did not upset me at all. It surprised me.


Bull-fucking-shit.

You said Manu was not smart for simply stating his non belief in God in his own internet forum. You even equated his faith confession with Hitler or the KKK.

Tell me again who has made an ass of himself?

I said Manu was a Smart guy and I would be shocked if he just openly discussed such things with fans because most famous people do not do that. I did not equate what Manu said with Hitler or the KKK, I equated that to another argument about people having rights to say what they want.





Why would anyone take flack simply by saying "I do not believe in God"? Are you seriously this retarded?


Why is Barack Obama getting flack for possibly being a Muslim?



No need to do that. I have read all your posts in this thread, especially the early ones, and they are trully hillarious. I rarelly side with BB in issues regarding religion, but boy is he right on this one!

You just got caught up in the mob mentality. The people who asked me to clarify now know what I meant and have no problem with it. Just an overreaction by another sheep like yourself.

[ElNono]

:lol @ everyone going around in circles.

I think we should demand Kori provide a religion section to the forum.

Really, is the Kings Forum even capable of producing 18 pages in a year, let alone a couple of days.

I disagree. I don't think the topic merits the 18 pages and counting we have right now.

[hater]

That is why people do believe. That is the essence of faith. If the smartest minds on earth for 100's of years could not disprove it, then you have to acknowledge that some things are out of humans control and beyond our grasp. That leads one to believe that there is an "unknown" variable. That is where religion comes in.

oh really?

So in that case, since we can't scientifically disprove that hobbitts, trolls, mermaids and santa claus don't exist. Then we should conclude that they do exist?

:rolleyes

[ElNono]

That is why people do believe. That is the essence of faith. If the smartest minds on earth for 100's of years could not disprove it, then you have to acknowledge that some things are out of humans control and beyond our grasp. That leads one to believe that there is an "unknown" variable. That is where religion comes in.

Really? Most non believers will tell that there's more than one "unknown" variable, and we just haven't evolved enough to find them all. But we do find them as time goes on. That's exactly what the scientific method is, and it definitely does not include God as the 'variable'.

[Kriz-Maxima]

That is why people do believe. That is the essence of faith. If the smartest minds on earth for 100's of years could not disprove it, then you have to acknowledge that some things are out of humans control and beyond our grasp. That leads one to believe that there is an "unknown" variable. That is where religion comes in.


Doesn't work like that. Is people who believe in Bigfoot the smartest, because it hasn't been proved it doesn't exist ?

[Kamnik]

Sad to see Manu's intelligence is limited...then again he's an Argie so...par for the course.

When I think you could not make a bigger ASS out of yourself you go and write that....

Congratulations! :toast

[DPG21920]

oh really?

So in that case, since we can't scientifically disprove that hobbitts, trolls, mermaids and santa claus don't exist. Then we should conclude that they do exist.

:rolleyes

No, you have to conclude that there is a unknown variable that the most advanced minds cannot figure out.

There are multiple accounts of different people with regards to Jesus being a real person. Whether or not that makes him the son of God is not the point. We know who "created" hobbits, trolls and ...

[DPG21920]

Doesn't work like that. Is people who believe in Bigfoot the smartest, because it hasn't been proved it doesn't exist ?

Bigfoot has nothing to do with universal questions. God has to do with explaining things that the most advanced scientific minds cannot figure out.

[Extra Stout]

It actually works the other way around... The reason people do not believe is because religion has failed to prove that God exists... If you could, agnostics would not exist...
The Christian philosophical framework of the West created an environment where rationalism could grow and flourish. Eventually rationalism became parasitic and killed its host. But now, without any framework of its own to start from, rationalism has no anchor from which to carry out deduction and therefore drifts into nihilism. At the same time, its promise of grand overarching narratives that explain everything has fallen short. The thinkers of the age elucidated these fatal flaws a half-century ago. Now the great minds of science encounter a reality where every answer poses multiple new questions, and knowledge must be coupled with mystery and wonder. The doers of this age came to grips with the fading phantom of perfect knowledge and resolved to act anyway with the limited understanding they have, a leap of faith if you will.

So, things come full circle. The default folk philosophy which was Christian in previous ages is now based upon a rationalism that itself is obsolete. Pascal described this a long time ago. He agreed that God does not reveal himself through objective evidence. He called the atheist intellectually lazy because he refuses to consider whether God might reveal himself through other means.

[DPG21920]

Really? Most non believers will tell that there's more than one "unknown" variable, and we just haven't evolved enough to find them all. But we do find them as time goes on. That's exactly what the scientific method is, and it definitely does not include God as the 'variable'.

I did not say that God is the variable, and I knew I should of types variable(s). The question that remains as long as no one can prove that God does not exists is: How do people act? What universal rights do all people have? The scientific method does not disprove God.

[Kriz-Maxima]

Bigfoot has nothing to do with universal questions. God has to do with explaining things that the most advanced scientific minds cannot figure out.

You said that the fact that gifted mind could not disprove the existence of God make him real. I'm telling you that's not how it works. You don't have to prove something doesn't exist, you have to proof it does.

[hater]

I did not say that God is the variable, and I knew I should of types variable(s). The question that remains as long as no one can prove that God does not exists is: How do people act? What universal rights do all people have?

Buddism for example, claims to answer these questions you have. Does that mean we all should follow Buddism because of that?

[DPG21920]

You said that the fact that gifted mind could not disprove the existence of God make him real. I'm telling you that's not how it works. You don't have to prove something doesn't exist, you have to proof it does.

I did not say it makes him real. I said that just because you can make an "idiot" believe does not mean you can make an intelligent person not believe. Who says you have to prove something exists over something that does not? Especially when there is an element of "faith".

[DPG21920]

Buddism for example, claims to answer these questions you have. Does that mean we all should follow Buddism because of that?

Many religions have the same universal truths that coincide. Many different religions influence each other. You can believe and follow what ever you want. That is not the point, the point is that there are many things that humans cannot understand and even many scientists have been astounded with some of the "coincidences" through their scientific studies.

[ElNono]

I did not say that God is the variable, and I knew I should of types variable(s). The question that remains as long as no one can prove that God does not exists is: How do people act? What universal rights do all people have? The scientific method does not disprove God.

Wow, are you serious? You mean those who do not believe in god do not know how to behave? Or that they not share the same universal rights as those who do believe?
I think you need to back up a bit and think of something a little more connected with reality.

[whottt]

oh really?

So in that case, since we can't scientifically disprove that hobbitts, trolls, mermaids and santa claus don't exist. Then we should conclude that they do exist?

:rolleyes



^^^^ doesn't know what an atheist is.

[hater]

Many religions have the same universal truths that coincide. Many different religions influence each other. You can believe and follow what ever you want. That is not the point, the point is that there are many things that humans cannot understand and even many scientists have been astounded with some of the "coincidences" through their scientific studies.

you are contradicting yourself.

Atheism could be considered a religion. It is the religion where you do not beleive in anything you cannot prove.

Nobody to this date has disproved atheism either... So if we go by your logic, atheism, should be an "intelligent" option too.

[DPG21920]

Wow, are you serious? You mean those who do not believe in god do not know how to behave? Or that they not share the same universal rights as those who do believe?
I think you need to back up a bit and think of something a little more connected with reality.

There are many people that do not believe that are FANTASTIC people. There are many people who claim they believe and are terrible. Where on earth do you get I said people who do not believe do not know how to act? I have said over and over and over, I DO NOT CARE WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE, I CARE HOW THEY ACT.

[ElNono]

The Christian philosophical framework of the West created an environment where rationalism could grow and flourish. Eventually rationalism became parasitic and killed its host. But now, without any framework of its own to start from, rationalism has no anchor from which to carry out deduction and therefore drifts into nihilism. At the same time, its promise of grand overarching narratives that explain everything has fallen short. The thinkers of the age elucidated these fatal flaws a half-century ago. Now the great minds of science encounter a reality where every answer poses multiple new questions, and knowledge must be coupled with mystery and wonder. The doers of this age came to grips with the fading phantom of perfect knowledge and resolved to act anyway with the limited understanding they have, a leap of faith if you will.

So, things come full circle. The default folk philosophy which was Christian in previous ages is now based upon a rationalism that itself is obsolete. Pascal described this a long time ago. He agreed that God does not reveal himself through objective evidence. He called the atheist intellectually lazy because he refuses to consider whether God might reveal himself through other means.

I'm sure Pascal had it all figured out back in the 1600's... Especially a guy like Einstein that was so intellectually lazy that went on to write the General Theory of Relativity...

[DPG21920]

you are contradicting yourself.

Atheism could be considered a religion. It is the religion where you do not beleive in anything you cannot prove.

Nobody to this date has disproved atheism either... So if we go by your logic, atheism, should be an "intelligent" option too.

How is that a contradiction? You are proving my point. Yes atheism can be considered a religion. But what is your definition of religion? There are intelligent atheist, it is a matter of how you ACT not what you BELIEVE. Goodness, I can see how so many people got so worked up at my other comments if they read into everything with malice such as you do.

[ElNono]

There are many people that do not believe that are FANTASTIC people. There are many people who claim they believe and are terrible. Where on earth do you get I said people who do not believe do not know how to act? I have said over and over and over, I DO NOT CARE WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE, I CARE HOW THEY ACT.

You said it here:

The question that remains as long as no one can prove that God does not exists is: How do people act? What universal rights do all people have?

And I think those questions have been answered in our society a long time ago, and we didn't need to know wether God existed or not to do that.

[DPG21920]

You said it here:

The question that remains as long as no one can prove that God does not exists is: How do people act? What universal rights do all people have?

And I think those questions have been answered in our society a long time ago, and we didn't need to know wether God existed or not to do that.

Where in that quote does it say that atheist do not know how to act? How can you read that? I was making the point that since no one can prove or disprove God, then the only thing that matters are what are the universal rights that everyone has regardless of what you believe or do not believe.

Universal truths do not have a religion. Just like eating or breathing, it is how people act. A tangible measure.

[ElNono]

Where in that quote does it say that atheist do not know how to act? How can you read that? I was making the point that since no one can prove or disprove God, then the only thing that matters are what are the universal rights that everyone has regardless of what you believe or do not believe.

Ok, I can agree with that, my mistake then. :toast

[Shastafarian]

I bet you can't...I bet you the dumbest idiot lacks the ability to conceive of good or evil, right or wrong, heaven or hell.


The fact that you don't realize that makes you pretty ignorant.

He never said anything about heaven or hell, right or wrong. He said he could make a very dumb person believe we were created by an invisible being who is omniscient. Talk about ignorance.

[ElNono]

I bet you can't...I bet you the dumbest idiot lacks the ability to conceive of good or evil, right or wrong, heaven or hell.


You sure don't seem to lack the ability to conceive when you're making an ass of yourself.

PS: 3 ignored posts in a row, I bet he's going to complain like a little bitch.

[hater]

How is that a contradiction? You are proving my point. Yes atheism can be considered a religion. But what is your definition of religion? There are intelligent atheist, it is a matter of how you ACT not what you BELIEVE. Goodness, I can see how so many people got so worked up at my other comments if they read into everything with malice such as you do.

you must not have good short term memory. Let me help you out.

This is what you posted earlier:


No I proved your point wrong. If, just like in America's judicial system, you have something you want to condemn, you must prove beyond on a reasonable doubt that you are correct. You cannot do that. No one has been able to do that. If the smartest people in the world are non-believers, you would think at least one of them would of been able to disprove God's existence, right?

now read the 1st quote and the 2nd quote and tell me if you don't see a contradiction.

[DPG21920]

you must not have good short term memory. Let me help you out.

This is what you posted earlier:



now read the 1st quote and the 2nd quote and tell me if you don't see a contradiction.

No I do not see it if you look at it in context. I was making the point that you said you could "make idiots" believe. Along the lines of that context I said that you cannot make "intelligent" people not believe. If you do not need proof to make an idiot believe, you will need proof to make an intelligent person not believe. So it works both ways.

[hater]

No I do not see it if you look at it in context. I was making the point that you said you could "make idiots" believe. Along the lines of that context I said that you cannot make "intelligent" people not believe. If you do not need proof to make an idiot believe, you will need proof to make an intelligent person not believe. So it works both ways.

say what? how can you equate those 2? they are completely different.

When I was young I beleived in Santa Claus. Now that I'm older I don't. And I did not need somebody to prove to me that Santa Claus didn't exist.

[Extra Stout]

I'm sure Pascal had it all figured out back in the 1600's... Especially a guy like Einstein that was so intellectually lazy that went on to write the General Theory of Relativity...

If you're going to use sarcasm, is it better not to be so woefully ignorant of the subject matter. Einstein was not an atheist; he did not disgaree with the idea that a Creator exists, but rather with the notion that the Creator was a personal God invested in the lives of individual human beings.

It is part of the arrogance of this age that so many people who know nothing of what their forefathers knew nevertheless regard themselves the superiors of those forefathers by virtue of being born later. We don't have near so many rationalists as we do unthinking skeptics who imagine themselves to be clever.

[DPG21920]

say what? how can you equate those 2? they are completely different.

When I was young I beleived in Santa Claus. Now that I'm older I don't. And I did not need somebody to prove to me that Santa Claus didn't exist.

Because how can you equate that an idiot would not need proof to believe?

[ElNono]

If you're going to use sarcasm, is it better not to be so woefully ignorant of the subject matter. Einstein was not an atheist; he did not disgaree with the idea that a Creator exists, but rather with the notion that the Creator was a personal God invested in the lives of individual human beings.

It is part of the arrogance of this age that so many people who know nothing of what their forefathers knew nevertheless regard themselves the superiors of those forefathers by virtue of being born later. We don't have near so many rationalists as we do unthinking skeptics who imagine themselves to be clever.

O RLY?

I never claimed Einstein was an atheist. I claimed Einstein was a self-professed agnostic:



"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."

[Extra Stout]

O RLY?

I never claimed Einstein was an atheist. I claimed Einstein was a self-professed agnostic:
So if you knew he was not an atheist, then why did you bring him up as a rebuttal to Pascal? Perhaps rather than being ignorant, you are just intellectually dishonest?

[hater]

Because how can you equate that an idiot would not need proof to believe?

In order to "equate" you need to compare 2 things. Again, what 2 things I am "equating" according to you?

[PixelPusher]

He called the atheist intellectually lazy because he refuses to consider whether God might reveal himself through other means.

Funny, that reason is exactly why i disdain many religious adherents.

[DPG21920]

In order to "equate" you need to compare 2 things. Again, what 2 things I am "equating" according to you?

Idiots and lack of proof. Let me rephrase the question. What led you to believe that you could convince of "idiots" to believe with out proof?

[tmtcsc]

Sorry about that.


As for the rest of the thread, it's ridiculous that it's exploding into an argument with DPG21920.

As of Manu's response, I know that I have heard him say, "Thank God..." before, so it's weird that he said he doesn't believe.

He's probably said 'God Da*nit' a few times too...especially after he hurt his ankle.