The Manu Doesn't Believe in God Thread

[hater]

+1

Lest not forget to mention our MVP, Jesus.

Hell doesn't stand a chance. It didn't 2000 years ago and it doesn't now.

last time I checked Jesus was a 5 foot 10 white boy

shit, mugsy boges could guard his ass

[Kermit]

+1

Lest not forget to mention our MVP, Jesus.

Hell doesn't stand a chance. It didn't 2000 years ago and it doesn't now.

Dude, Jesus sucks at basketball.

[baseline bum]

+1

Lest not forget to mention our MVP, Jesus.

Hell doesn't stand a chance. It didn't 2000 years ago and it doesn't now.

Jesus couldn't deal with an elbow from Barkley. Better take his ass to weight room.

[Phenomanul]

Oh... I forgot... Pistol Pete is in heaven too.... Our game just became more electrifying....

[xtremesteven33]

+1

Lest not forget to mention our MVP, Jesus.

Hell doesn't stand a chance. It didn't 2000 years ago and it doesn't now.



im a Christian and dude that was not the the best response to these guys right now.....:nope

[xtremesteven33]

These atheists are choir boys to the kind of atheists i know personally.

[ElNono]

+1

Lest not forget to mention our MVP, Jesus.

Hell doesn't stand a chance. It didn't 2000 years ago and it doesn't now.

We have Jason Kidd to bitchslap the shit out of him...

[ElNono]

These atheists are choir boys to the kind of atheists i know personally.

Jesus Christ, we're just having a laugh. Don't take life so seriously...

[Phenomanul]

last time I checked Jesus was only 5 10

shit, mugsy boges could guard his ass



Dude, Jesus sucks at basketball.



Jesus couldn't deal with an elbow from Barkley. Better take his ass to weight room.

JESUS would play like the Brendan Frasier character in Bedazzled.... the natural laws wouldn't apply to Him.

[Kermit]

These atheists are choir boys to the kind of atheists i know personally.

Come to think of it, Manu does have a nice baritone.

[remingtonbo2001]

Jesus couldn't deal with an elbow from Barkley. Better take his ass to weight room.

:lol

Please, an elbow. Are you serious?

An elbow?

Jesus overcame death.

Get your weak take outta here.


The great part about having Jesus on the team, no injuries.

[Spurminator]

Would Jesus be the first Jew to be good at basketball?

He'd probably have to coach.

[DPG21920]

JESUS would play like the Brendan Frasier character in Bedazzled.... the natural laws wouldn't apply to Him.

That movie is a sin!

[hater]

:lol

A great part about having Jesus on the team, no injuries.

good point.

but team hell doesn't need to "warm up" :lmao

[ElNono]

They just announced Joe Crawford will be the whistle...

[DarrinS]

Team Hell starting lineup:


C: Wilt Chamberlain
PG: Kobe Bryant
SF: Ron Artest or Dennis Rodman
PF: Carl Malone
G: Jeff Hornacek (don't ask why, I just hate this guy)

[Kermit]

JESUS would play like the Brendan Frasier character in Bedazzled.... the natural laws wouldn't apply to Him.

So, Jesus would have a tiny penis...

[xtremesteven33]

Jesus Christ, we're just having a laugh. Don't take life so seriously...


Im not upset at you all having a laugh. i just simply said something that is true. :toast

[ElNono]

Im not upset at you all having a laugh. i just simply said something that is true. :toast

:toast

[baseline bum]

:lol

Please, an elbow. Are you serious?

An elbow?

Jesus overcame death.

Get your weak take outta here.


The great part about having Jesus on the team, no injuries.

Jesus is a pussy. No one would ever get Barkley up on a cross.

[Phenomanul]

So, Jesus would have a tiny penis...

Again, the natural laws don't apply to Him... I said Jesus would play like the character... not be him.

But I won't touch this comment any further...

[remingtonbo2001]

im a Christian and dude that was not the the best response to these guys right now.....:nope

I'm a Christian as well.

What would you rather have I said?

[Phenomanul]

Jesus is a *****. No one would ever get Barkley up on a cross.

It would take a Roman Legion to accomplish the feat... how much does Barkley weigh? :king

[Kermit]

So, Jesus would have a tiny penis...




But I won't touch this comment any further...

Sure you won't...

[Phenomanul]

Sure you won't...

Hey... you brought it up... Freudian slip? Personal complex?

[xtremesteven33]

I'm a Christian as well.

What would you rather have I said?



look what you started.....

[remingtonbo2001]

Alright gentlemen, I'm finished with this thread for the time being.

It was an interesting discussion none the less.

To those who are non-believing, I truely do hope at some point God is able to speak to your heart and reveal the Truth to you.

To my fellow Christians, stay strong and God bless.

[Kermit]

Hey... you brought it up... Freudian slip? Personal complex?

:lmao

But, but...Natural Laws don't apply dammit!!!

[remingtonbo2001]

look what you started.....

My appologies.

[ElNono]

My appologies.

Yeah, look what you started... Are you sure you want to lose you little parcel in Heaven? Because you're really borderline right now...:lol

[tp2021]

this thread is awesome.

[remingtonbo2001]

Yeah, look what you started... Are you sure you want to lose you little parcel in Heaven? Because you're really borderline right now...:lol

My place in Heaven has to do with my faith in Christ. :)

[Satan]

My place in Heaven has to do with my faith in Christ. :)

I've got some openings so don't count your blessings yet.

[hater]

My place in Heaven has to do with my faith in Christ. :)

you better start praying that God's internet connection was down or you're in some deep shit remington

[remingtonbo2001]

My place in Heaven has to do with my faith in Christ. :)

John 14


"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Believe in God, believe also in me. There are many rooms in my Father's house. If there were not, would I have told you that I am going away to prepare a place for you? And if I am going away to prepare a place for you, I will come back again and welcome you into my presence, so that you may be where I am. You know where I am going, and you know the way."

Thomas asked him, “Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you have known me, you will also know my Father. From now on you know him and have seen him.”

[RandomGuy]

Cherry, no te enojes... es que se targiversa lo que dijo. Decir 'algo' no quiere decir automaticamente 'dios'. Nada mas.

Saludos

Mis pantelones es en feugo. Por l'amor de Dios, donde esta las agua?

uh, what?

[Kamnik]

Sadly, yes.

I hope with all my heart that Gino chooses Christ so that does not happen to him.

I like and respect you here on the forum...

But that are some disturbing things you believe in... Think with your own head and not with the "head" of people that are 2000 years dead.

[jman3000]

overly religious people are a major reason im not very religious.

[jman3000]

not to mention im not very good at being a big pussy.

[hater]

I beleive in God and Jesus but I really don't beleive God punishes good people to eternal fire.

and it's crazy to beleive and follow the bible 100%

[Xylus]

Ginobili would break Jesus' ankles so fucking badly.

Dude can walk on water, but I doubt he can play D.

[xtremesteven33]

I like and respect you here on the forum...

But that are some disturbing things you believe in... Think with your own head and not with the "head" of people that are 2000 years dead.




why do people think that fundamentalists are a bunch of crazy people?
:rolleyes

[Phenomanul]

not to mention im not very good at being a big p***y.

Freud would then likely suggest that this particular fear already places you in that category....

And then he would proceed to ask about your parents... :lol

[Phenomanul]

Lost in the discussion... RG I just wanted you to read it... to know that my claims had some validity.... you need not respond.


"beligerence"? :rolleyes "bullshit" is simply a party game, and "calling bullshit" is simply a way of expressing skepticism of your claim. If it makes you happier, I can edit the post to say "bullpuckey" or something less vulgar.

You can say whatever you wish... The use of that phrase however (regardless of the profanity) is a direct attack on my person. You basically implied that I was lying. If you disagreed with my statement, all you had to do was ask for examples that would support my claim.

What you did was call me out by saying, "Liar... proove it!"

There is a tactful difference between the two approaches. One elicits genuine discussion, the other an annoyed sigh.




"even if I point these things out, you will try to explain them away as justified acts of reasoning."

Nope. I try to evaluate each claim on its face.

Very well then....



Quite frankly, though, I am a bit skeptical of "victimhood" claims, as it is fashionable these days in this country to claim such status.

I don't believe this statement applies.

First I should clarify that to me, persecution comes in all shapes, forms and colors... it can be subtle or overt. In the U.S. persecution of the church has progressed in a subtle manner...

Anyways, I stated my case (as I was finishing my lunch break no less). I brought up two examples of secularist movements in our society that are trying to marginalize believers through legal means... There is no 'victim' label attached... I simply highlighted that their motives were anti-religious.

Don't worry though, one day you and everyone in your camp will be happy when churches are pushed underground. When the mere mention of spirituality elicits ridicule and scorn... or further still, imprisonment. --- How's that for extreme assumptions... I guess we all can make them.

What's ironic is that athiest lobbyists are usually the first ones to complain when evangelicals lobby our government. They can't have it both ways. Personally I'm of the camp that believes Americans have the Constitutional right to shape the laws that govern the land... Democracy should win out. Wishing that this right be denied to another sector in society simply because they happen to disagree with you is a faschist concept.



As for the "You're not one of us, you just don't get it". Ninja Please.

More like, "You're not a Christian, as such you don't value the same ideals or understand the subtleties of their impact on our lives".

You may feel you've read just about everything there is to know about "Christians" and their belief system; but until you profess your faith in Christ, and are tranformed by His presence your perspective will forever remain limited/incomplete/skewed. The proverbial, "you're on the outside looking in" applies. And no...it's not elitist to suggest that... 'tis simply the nature of the concept.



I will readily give you the fact that the majority of homeschooling is done by people with deep religious convictions. Laws that would make homeschooling harder would tend to impact those people disproportionately. Whether this rises to the level of "persecution" would hinge on the fact that it would be a religious requirement to homeschool.

You think California lawmakers/lobbyists weren't aware of this disproportionality?



I don't remember reading "thou shalt homeschool" anywhere in the bible, or even that it was implied.

The Hebrew/Jewish culture was built on homeschooling. Mothers were responsible for teaching their children the law and their heritage. Fathers then took their sons and taught them their trade. Besides, it's a rather anachronistic expectation to request that the word "homeschool" be found anywhere in Scripture.

Having said that, one of the fundamental parenting responsibilities found in GOD's Word is that parents instruct their children to have appropriate "fear of the LORD" - Bible-speak for "respect and reverence towards GOD". Homeschooling allows for that respect and that relationship to be instilled. But that's just it, this very dynamic is what so enrages secularists everywhere... particularly the atheistic brand. All of a sudden, they become concerned over the curricula of homeschooled children and imply that these children need to be removed from their 'oppressive', 'academically unsatisfactory' environments (they would like to equate the homeschooling process with 'brainwashing' tactics... and so create more bias against it).

While defficiencies exist for a minority of households, parents that homeschool are inherently, by definition, very interested in the development of their children. Oddly enough, the same homeschooling detractors who express "genuine" concern towards these children conveniently lose it when it involves the lives of the unborn in wombs across the world. Go figure... :rolleyes (but that's another topic for another time).

Not to be lost in the discussion, homeschooled children eventually grow up into adulthood (like everyone else) and adopt whatever philosophy suits their fancy. That's right... ultimately their life choices are up to them. I guess the other camp would like to pretend that this eventuality fails to arrive for homeschoolers too... they merely take the lazy approach and arbitrarily label them brainwashed "sheeple".

Believe it or not, it is our Christian belief in free will, and the understanding of its cosmic implications that permits us to accept another's choices. We may disagree with what someone else chooses to do, but we inherently understand that the choice is theirs... as well as the consequences of their actions. Many Christian children end up learning life's difficult lessons through varying degrees of rebelion against the wishes of their parents. A loving parent, hence, will allow them to suffer through some of the consequences of their actions as part of the maturation process... though, I admit, this tactic is not exclusive to the Christian worldview.

Anyways, the agendas I mentioned earlier want to nip this bud at the stem - i.e. homeschooling - particularly because most homeschool households are Christian... Doing so, would hurt a significant back-bone of America's Christian sector. But then again, that's the point - their goal...



If anybody's faith is so weak that it cannot stand standardized education, I would wonder what kind of responsibility the parents are giving up.

Is standardized education all that better?



Anyone should be free to practice their religion as long as it does not impact the rest of us.

The basic premise outlined by the concept of "Separation of Church and State" one which I happen to believe in, and a view I mentioned was endorsed by the Bible.



Having absolutely no minimum standards or accountability for homeschooled children sounds a bit unreasonable.

Standards and accountability are needed, yes... I agree. Let's not forget that homeschooled children still have to pass state exams, college entrance exams etc... Furthermore, homeschooled children fair as good as or better than their public school peers on academic tests (as far as I know, through personal experience, articles etc...). Court cases assessing this very dynamic are on record. It's in the state's interest to know and assess the academic development of every child, because it has a bearing on the future posterity and functioning of our society; our nation.

Forcing parents to obtain accredited teaching certificates however (at an expense of roughly $6,500 for 5 years in California - at least in the area where my sister lives) is economically harsh. Such a law is meant to dissuade people from considering homeschooling as a practical option... meant to tip the scales.



I would further wonder about what you would say if the majority of homeschooled kids were atheists. Would you then cry "persecution" of atheists, if such minimum educational standards were enacted?
Depends on the motives for such laws.


Edit: Oh and none of this addresses the not-so-subtle, more overt movement that wishes to label certain biblical passages as "hate speech".

A third example I failed to mention earlier was Ohio's dismissal of a highly successful religious-based prison program that effectively reduced the state's recidivism rate. The grounds of its dismissal? It was a religious based program - not a secular one (the type that haven't effectively worked for over a century). Activist judges at work for everyone, YAY!!!

[angel_luv]

I apologize for my quick exit from and late return to this thread.
When I left this afternoon I had an appointment to go to and then church.

I said the bad news for atheists but did not share the Good News available to all and would be seriously remiss not to.

I want you all to know...

Jesus loves you.
2 Peter 3:9-The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Genesis 50:20-
You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.

This is how to be saved:
Titus 3:5-Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.


Romans 10:9-10-That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The choice is yours. Choose wisely.

Deuteronomy 30:19-
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.

[Shelly]

Dude, Jesus sucks at basketball.

Jesus can ball

http://www.catholicsupply.com/CHRISTMAS/_borders/3000158.jpg

even knocking the kid down going for the dunk

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/79/257700704_cafaa263b3.jpg?v=0

[ElNono]

I apologize for my quick exit from and late return to this thread.
When I left this afternoon I had an appointment to go to and then church.

I said the bad news for atheists but did not share the Good News available to all and would be seriously remiss not to.

I want you all to know...

Jesus loves you.
2 Peter 3:9-The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Genesis 50:20-
You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.

This is how to be saved:
Titus 3:5-Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.


Romans 10:9-10-That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

The choice is yours. Choose wisely.

Deuteronomy 30:19-
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.

To be honest with you, as fantasy writing goes the bible is kinda boring. They should do a remake with like choppers, explosions and maybe a couple of car chases. Or maybe they can write a sequel... 'The New New testament'. I wonder who could be a good writer for that. I was going to propose Arthur C Clarke, but I think he died not that long ago. Suggestions?

[Buddy Holly]

Holy shit, this is thread is still alive? :wow

[Deimosfobos]

She is not mocking your beliefs, why are you mocking hers?

To be fair... how can a religious person mock a non-beliver? Is like a trekie trying to mock a normal person... it's hillarous at best.

Of course, I'm not a beliver, and living in Argentina (huge Catholic population), and rased in a religious family, I know what it feals to be questioned on a regular basis because of my lack of faith... tho, every time I just smiled back, it feals like a puppy playing with your sock.


Regarding the topic, Manu responded perfectly, I would do the same no matter the circunstance. Simple question, simple answer. :toast

[Fernando TD21]

I don't think what Manu said was bad at all. I think we should respect other people's beliefs.
I'm not religious anymore but I respect the religions and the people who believes in them. And I still believe in God.

I also hope this video doesn't insult anyone:
Ar_k8JjVWQA

[timvp]

I gotta give props to angel_luv for answering the questions that came her way. It's not easy discussing and defending religion over the internets. Job well done :tu

For the record, I consider myself to be a religious individual even if I sometimes do question the logistics and rationale of certain aspects. I'm sure He understands . . .

[Deimosfobos]

I gotta give props to angel_luv for answering the questions that came her way. It's not easy discussing and defending religion over the internets. Job well done :tu

For the record, I consider myself to be a religious individual even if I sometimes do question the logistics and rationale of certain aspects. I'm sure He understands . . .

Yeah, angel_luv answers were honest, so much respec... tho, is wierd people actually belive that. You can't take what is on writing as 100% truth, even if you are a beliver, since god didn't wrote that, people did. I mean... the bible itself is full of fuck up shit, as a beliver, I would try to find the real truth by myself.
I mean... come on, how on earth can you belive that a person who is a saint in all regards, can go to hell just because he is not a beliver? What kind of vain god would allow such stupidity?

I guess that's what happens when you are a religious person, logic goes out the window, since Faith=/=Logic.:stirpot:

[smeagol]

Because?

I thought we covered this.

Manu is agnostic at best because he said he believes in a higher power. He believes in something. Atheirst believe there is nothing out there resembling a higher power.

With what he said (which is not much) it is easier to assume he is an agnostic. Unless he outright comes and says "I'm like BB!"

[smeagol]

My place in Heaven has to do with my faith in Christ. :)

This could make this thread go another 20 pages but . . .

Your place in Heaven is not assured.

:stirpot:

[smeagol]

But that are some disturbing things you believe in... .


These "disturbing" things which Angel believes in are believed by any Christian, no matter his denomination (Catholic, Protestan, Greek Orthodox, etc).




Think with your own head and not with the "head" of people that are 2000 years dead


This comment makes no sense at all to a Christian.

[smeagol]

I beleive in God and Jesus but I really don't beleive God punishes good people to eternal fire.


I guess you are not a Christian then (and don't feel offended by my comment). You cannot take the parts of the Nerw Testament you like and dismiss the ones you don't like.



and it's crazy to beleive and follow the bible 100%


. . . in a literal way, yes.

[smeagol]

To be fair... how can a religious person mock a non-beliver? Is like a trekie trying to mock a normal person... it's hillarous at best.


This is your opinion and I respect it, although I do not agree with you.



Of course, I'm not a beliver, and living in Argentina (huge Catholic population), and rased in a religious family, I know what it feals to be questioned on a regular basis because of my lack of faith... tho, every time I just smiled back, it feals like a puppy playing with your sock.

I was a non-believer for a long time and I never felt this way.



Regarding the topic, Manu responded perfectly, I would do the same no matter the circunstance. Simple question, simple answer. :toast


Ahh . . . here we agree 100%. :tu

[Deimosfobos]

I was a non-believer for a long time and I never felt this way.

I became an Atheirst at 13 (30atm), and I had been questioned ever since. I guess it depends on where and who do you live with.
But like I said, I never really cared about that, since a beliver is powerless agaist a logical person.

[remingtonbo2001]

This could make this thread go another 20 pages but . . .

Your place in Heaven is not assured.

:stirpot:


John 14


"Do not let your hearts be troubled. Believe in God, believe also in me. There are many rooms in my Father's house. If there were not, would I have told you that I am going away to prepare a place for you? And if I am going away to prepare a place for you, I will come back again and welcome you into my presence, so that you may be where I am. You know where I am going, and you know the way."

Thomas asked him, “Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?”

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you have known me, you will also know my Father. From now on you know him and have seen him.”

I assumed this passage would clear up any confusion brought by my comment. I believe in the above passage and hold it as the truth, as I do with the bible in it's entirity.

Jesus said to him "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

As Veronica mentioned earlier.

Titus 3:5-Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.


Romans 10:9-10-That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Therefore, it is not through my actions, but through my faith and confession in Jesus Christ that I am saved.

[ElNono]

I thought we covered this.

Manu is agnostic at best because he said he believes in a higher power. He believes in something. Atheirst believe there is nothing out there resembling a higher power.

With what he said (which is not much) it is easier to assume he is an agnostic. Unless he outright comes and says "I'm like BB!"

I thought agnostic meant that you did not believe in god, but if you were to find evidence of his existence, then you would believe. I don't think agnostic applies to every conception of 'higher power', just to god.
I mean, I don't think 'higher power' and 'god' are necessarily the same thing. IE: somebody that believes in Mother Nature as a force of what happens out there, doesn't necessarily believes in god, and I don't think you can call him agnostic.
And to complete the idea, I think that saying 'No soy creyente' is pretty unambiguous as far as what he believes...

[Marhq]

I thought agnostic meant that you did not believe in god, but if you were to find evidence of his existence, then you would believe.
No. If you ask an agnostic about the existance of some god or gods, they will say "I don't know" or, especially, "That can't be known". Agnostic is someone who takes neither side, someone who has serious doubts one way or the other, but this doesn't say anything about whether he bases his beliefs upon faith or evidence or tradition or whatever.

The atheists are the ones asking for evidence. It's not that atheists simply enjoy not believing stuff. We don't believe mainly because we don't see any compelling evidence or reasons to do so and we don't think that faith or authority carry any weight in the discussion.

Saludos.

[angel_luv]

I like and respect you here on the forum...

But that are some disturbing things you believe in... Think with your own head and not with the "head" of people that are 2000 years dead.

I really respect and like you as well- very much. :) I consider you one of my friends on here.

That is why I trust that you will understand that I am confident in what I believe.
I choose for myself and I did not choose lightly.

[JoeChalupa]

I too am confident in my Catholic faith and no amount of bashing or remarks towards my faith can shatter my belief.

Well done. :tu

[angel_luv]

I gotta give props to angel_luv for answering the questions that came her way. It's not easy discussing and defending religion over the internets. Job well done :tu

For the record, I consider myself to be a religious individual even if I sometimes do question the logistics and rationale of certain aspects. I'm sure He understands . . .

That is very kind of you, L.J. Thank you.
You are good people and I am sure your faith in God pleases Him. :)

Thank you too, Deimosfobos and Joe. :)

[dirk4mvp]

I don't think what Manu said was bad at all. I think we should respect other people's beliefs.
I'm not religious anymore but I respect the religions and the people who believes in them. And I still believe in God.

I also hope this video doesn't insult anyone:
Ar_k8JjVWQA


This is by far the greatest youtube I have ever seen.

[smeagol]

I assumed this passage would clear up any confusion brought by my comment. I believe in the above passage and hold it as the truth, as I do with the bible in it's entirity.

Jesus said to him "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

As Veronica mentioned earlier.

Titus 3:5-Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.


Romans 10:9-10-That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Therefore, it is not through my actions, but through my faith and confession in Jesus Christ that I am saved.


You have probably read this passage many times.

James 14 - 17

"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. "

Quoting passages from the Bible will get us nowhere because, to the uneducated reader, there seems to be many contradictions (just like the one I pointed out) and many ways to interpret it.

To bridge these so called contradictions and different interpretations, we Catholics believe there is an entity that has been around for 2000 years, the RCC, which we can go for guidance; you Protestants believe that the Holy Spirit helps you interpret the Bible.

Also, for further understanding and interpretation of the Bible, we believe in consulting the people who knew Christ, or the people who knew the people who knew Christ. We do this through these people's writings. Protestants do not adhere to this belief.

[angel_luv]

Thanks for the encouraging words you have posted, Smeagol. You are a blessing. :)

Now let me encourage you. :)




Quoting passages from the Bible will get us nowhere because, to the uneducated reader, there seems to be many contradictions (just like the one I pointed out) and many ways to interpret it.


The Word of God may not be well received but it is always worth bringing into the discussion.
Every Bible verse quoted is a seed planted.

Isaiah 55: 11- So shall My word be that goeth forth out of My mouth: it shall not return unto Me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

[smeagol]

Thanks for the encouraging words you have posted, Smeagol. You are a blessing. :)

Now let me encourage you. :)

Thanks!



The Word of God may not be well received but it is always worth bringing into the discussion.

I agree. I said what I said in the context of Catholics and Protestants debating over doctrine.

I have done it a number of times here on this forum and it usually boils down to the two points I mentioned in my previous post: who interprets the Bible (any simple mortal or the RCC) and what aids do you have to interpret the Bible.

Peace be with you ;)

[angel_luv]

And you. :)

[Angel's va jay jay!]

And what about me?

[2centsworth]

You have probably read this passage many times.

James 14 - 17

"What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. "

Quoting passages from the Bible will get us nowhere because, to the uneducated reader, there seems to be many contradictions (just like the one I pointed out) and many ways to interpret it.

To bridge these so called contradictions and different interpretations, we Catholics believe there is an entity that has been around for 2000 years, the RCC, which we can go for guidance; you Protestants believe that the Holy Spirit helps you interpret the Bible.

Also, for further understanding and interpretation of the Bible, we believe in consulting the people who knew Christ, or the people who knew the people who knew Christ. We do this through these people's writings. Protestants do not adhere to this belief.

True Faith yields good deeds. Most Christians don't understand the biblical definition of "believe", so they think just believing God exist is faith. The devil believes God exist, does he have faith?

[remingtonbo2001]

True Faith yields good deeds. Most Christians don't understand the biblical definition of "believe", so they think just believing God exist is faith. The devil believes God exist, does he have faith?

+1

I have accepted Jesus Christ into my heart. Therefore, I incorporate the teachings of Christ into my life, in thoughts and action. Thus the good fruit in which I bear strengthens not only the faith of others, but my faith as well.

I will admit my understanding of scriptures is limited, so I am always willing to listen and learn from the perspective and knowledge of other Christians. :)

[2centsworth]

+1

I have accepted Jesus Christ into my heart. Therefore, I have also incorporated his teachings into my life. This in turn strengthens my faith in Christ.

I will admit my understanding of scriptures is limited, so I am always willing to listen and learn from the perspective and knowledge of other Christians. :)
God Bless!

[remingtonbo2001]

God Bless!

God Bless. :)

[hater]

great way to kill the Manu God Thread, turn it into a sunday school thread

[smeagol]

great way to kill the Manu God Thread, turn it into a sunday school thread

Since whottt and DPG left this thread it was dying a slow death anyways . . .

[Tree hugger]

I can feel the love in here.............:)

[DPG21920]

Since whottt and DPG left this thread it was dying a slow death anyways . . .

Suck it

[tp2021]

How many different subtopics have existed in this thread?

[Deimosfobos]

How many different subtopics have existed in this thread?

Not nearly enough it seams... btw, your sig is just genious! :lol

[ElNono]

No. If you ask an agnostic about the existance of some god or gods, they will say "I don't know" or, especially, "That can't be known". Agnostic is someone who takes neither side, someone who has serious doubts one way or the other, but this doesn't say anything about whether he bases his beliefs upon faith or evidence or tradition or whatever.

The atheists are the ones asking for evidence. It's not that atheists simply enjoy not believing stuff. We don't believe mainly because we don't see any compelling evidence or reasons to do so and we don't think that faith or authority carry any weight in the discussion.

Saludos.

Gracias :tu

[2centsworth]

For you Athiest, study some of the work of world renown athiest Anthony Flew.

http://www.biola.edu/antonyflew/

[tp2021]

Not nearly enough it seams... btw, your sig is just genious! :lol

Thanks! And don't I know it :lol

[Mister Sinister]

To Nick Nolte we pray for forgiiiiiivneeeeess....Aaaaaaaaaamen.

[peewee's lovechild]

Did Manu say he doesn't believe in God?

:stirpot:




P.S.

My 9th grade Spanish might be wrong.

He's my new favorite Spur.

[JoeChalupa]

Let us pray.

[tp2021]

Bump.

[timvp]

Could Manu be the anti-christ?

:stirpot:

[LnGrrrR]

To be more correct, atheism just means without belief. Agnosticism means without knowledge. I consider myself an agnostic atheist. I have no belief in God, but I am not sure that there is not one (or many) out there.

[Mr. Peabody]

Could Manu be the anti-christ?

:stirpot:

Maybe. I know that at times during the playoffs I found myself saying "God damn you to hell, Manu!" Maybe my subconscious was aware of something.

[romad_20]

Could Manu be the anti-christ?

:stirpot:


I can feel the love in here.............:)


And what about me?

:lmao:lmao:lmao

[LnGrrrR]

For you Athiest, study some of the work of world renown athiest Anthony Flew.

http://www.biola.edu/antonyflew/

I have no problem with Deists. Some of our Founding Fathers were deist. That view tends to make alot more sense than a Christians who take a literal view of the Bible.

[ALVAREZ6]

I have no problem with Deists. Some of our Founding Fathers were deist. That view tends to make alot more sense than a Christians who take a literal view of the Bible.

And they also lived hundreds of year ago, before modern science.

[chrismengeu]

God is punishing Manu for his lack of belief, look no where further then his airballs and turnovers in the clutch. God has punished Manu for his defiance and took away his clutch abilities. For the sake of his soul and the Spurs, Manu better get right with God.:toast

[redzero]

God is punishing Manu for his lack of belief, look no where further then his airballs and turnovers in the clutch. God has punished Manu for his defiance and took away his clutch abilities. For the sake of his soul and the Spurs, Manu better get right with God.:toast

This non-believer is a famous professional athlete who has millions of dollars and several championships. Meanwhile, millions of believers live in poverty.

God sure fucked up on that one, didn't he?

[chrismengeu]

This non-believer is a famous professional athlete who has millions of dollars and several championships. Meanwhile, millions of believers live in poverty.

God sure fucked up on that one, didn't he?


This life is not the only one Manu should be worried about. This life is fleeting it is the afterlife that one should be concerned about. All of Manu's millions of dollars and championships will be of little comfort to him when his soul is trapped in Hell for eternity, due to his defiance of God, but perhaps there is still hope yet for him, maybe David Robinson can bring him to Jesus and save his soul and the Spurs season. Because the Spurs are going nowhere in the post season with an anti-God anti-American communist athiest

[redzero]

The Spurs already won three championships with this "anti-God" player on the team, so there goes that theory.

[chrismengeu]

The Spurs already won three championships with this "anti-God" player on the team, so there goes that theory.

Yes I'm aware of that, it is a result of a pact made by Manu and other satanic Spurs players with the Devil to win championships. This is a typical trick of Satan, instant satisfaction and getting what you want, but what he doesn't tell you is that it costs your immortal soul and an eternity of hellfire and damnation.

Spurs :lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:= Satanic pact

[redzero]

So, is this mouse?

[IronMaxipad]

lttp: dpg is a fucking idiot :lmao:lmao

[greyforest]

Because the Spurs are going nowhere in the post season with an anti-God anti-American communist athiest

'03 :lobt2: '05 :lobt2: '07 :lobt2:

[chrismengeu]

'03 :lobt2: '05 :lobt2: '07 :lobt2:

I said this season sinner, The Spurs won their 4 championships because of a pact with Satan, hes gonna come collect soon especially for Manu. Remember the greatest lie the devil ever told was convincing the world he doesn't exist

[admiralsnackbar]

I love that the LOB can both be a gift from God AND a temptation by Satan in the same breath of Evangelical "logic," with the only distinguishing feature being how convenient the award is to arguments for salvation.

What's sad is that normally this kind of blindness and inconsistency on a board is easy enough to dismiss as trolling, but that there is actually a fervently vocal and extremely sincere minority of such citizens who are even now trying to bend this country to their political and religious will.

[chrismengeu]

I love that the LOB can both be a gift from God AND a temptation by Satan in the same breath of Evangelical "logic," with the only distinguishing feature being how convenient the award is to arguments for salvation.

What's sad is that normally this kind of blindness and inconsistency on a board is easy enough to dismiss as trolling, but that there is actually a fervently vocal and extremely sincere minority of such citizens who are even now trying to bend this country to their political and religious will.


Well think about it this way, would an Evangelical have a picture of a hot Vulcan woman with massive titays as their avatar?

[admiralsnackbar]

Well think about it this way, would an Evangelical have a picture of a hot Vulcan woman with massive titays as their avatar?

The label may not work for you, but the "logic" clearly does.

[chrismengeu]

In all fairness when i heard Manu said he was an unbeliever i had greater respect for him.... just trying to continue this thread as it has been a epic one.


ps: i suck at trolling:downspin:

[admiralsnackbar]

In all fairness when i heard Manu said he was an unbeliever i had greater respect for him.... just trying to continue this thread as it has been a epic one.
We're on a Spurs board. I reckon this thread will live longer than Manu's time on the team.:toast



ps: i suck at trolling:downspin:
I came into the game late, but you had me convinced :lol

[Blake]

ps: i suck at trolling:downspin:

Doubt anyone will argue that

[Brazil]

:lol found it tbh...

a classic

[rmt]

Hahaha - so funny.

[Splits]

:lol found it tbh...

a classic

Damn, B. This just put you into super-legendary status. What a find.

:lmao

[Splits]

great way to kill the Manu God Thread, turn it into a sunday school thread

:lmao holy shit this is gold

[spurraider21]

:rollin

[Chinook]

Those first few posts are such legend.

[Brazil]

So Manu's an atheist, eh? I might have to start liking the guy now.


Look just because your prayers of getting a ring every year aren't answered doesn't mean he doesn't exist.

The first couple of posts were already classic...:lol

[rmt]

Maybe. I know that at times during the playoffs I found myself saying "God damn you to hell, Manu!" Maybe my subconscious was aware of something.

Especially the foul on Dirk. Or maybe rushing 4 Heat players and drawing offensive foul instead of running time off the clock.

[ElNono]

:lol found it tbh...

a classic

:lol

[Xylus]

The first couple of posts were already classic...:lol

Got rekt by TPark, guess I should just end it now.

[Brazil]

Got rekt by TPark, guess I should just end it now.

:lol tbh... golden age of ST