Your Vote, Your Reasons

[DarkReign]

I wanted to be fair to both candidates for this election. Its the first time in my short life that I would feel very comfortable with either candidate as President. I mean that sincerely.

So there had to be some mitigating circumstance to delineate the two.

McCain: Unfortunately for McCain, imo, he is an older man with health issues directly and indirectly (melanoma) related to his service to this country. While commendable and highly honorable, his VP pick was of the highest importance to me (an tbh, I would hope its important to everyone else as well) in respect to those health concerns. I voted for McCain in the 2000 primaries, so when he picked Palin, I was a little heartbroken. At first Palin was an absolute disaster as a VP pick. It reeked of political pandering, not a shoring of his deficiencies. Weeks later, it looks ever-so-slightly better....when I say slightly, I mean very slight. So what is slightly better than a total fucking disaster? A train wreck?

Obama: Obama was an unknown quantity. My initial impressions of him were probably the same that everyone else had. Smart, eloquent and a total rookie. But there is a part of me that has always wondered what a non-partisan, non-politician would do in the Oval Office. Obama is the closest thing to that notion in my voting lifetime (Perot being the other in my lifetime). Obviously, with his inexperience, his VP pick was important (but, imo, less so than McCain's). He picked a guy to shore up his weakest attribute by selecting a long-standing member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Thats a damn good pick.

So with an obvious bias towards Obama to start this internal-reasoning process, I moved on to the issues that are important to me.

Domestic Policy: Both candidates are going to bankrupt our nation. In no time have I ever seen two candidates from opposing parties so closely aligned with the ruin of our nation. Makes me think conspiracy, but anyway... There just isnt much difference between the two in their approach to this economic downturn. Sadly, neither share my view of the situation, but thats to be expected really. I am of the mind the entire system of government needs to be torn to shreds and rewritten, so its no surprise to me that a candidate from one the major parties does not share that sentiment.

IMO, education is the single most important issue of all time, no matter the generation. It has never been treated that way (on purpose, imo) but it should. So Obama's plan to give a $4k credit to students for tuition in exchange for X amount of hours of community service is downright excellent.

Its like a double dip of awesome in that you have young people attending college and youre forcing them to get involved in their community. When I heard that, I'll admit, I was swayed. It got me to thinking what welfare recipients should be forced to do and any other recipient of government assistance should be forced to do. To me, its this sort of thinking that needs to be re-instilled into Americans.

Abortion I could care less about, one way or the other. If its overturned, oh well. If not, who cares? I am personally of the mind that it should be a woman's right to choose (no late term though), especially in cases of rape and incest or the mother's health is at risk. But this entire issue I see as just a distraction (a wedge issue) to pander to the religious, self-appointed moral supervisors of our time who in turn pander to their chosen "Man of the Sky".

Taxation... yeah....see the first part of Domestic Policy. Ruinous on both sides. One favors the middle class and poor, one favors the status quo. Its class warfare with no discernible winner. I mean that only in today's relevant environment. In time, a shared responsibility (Fair Tax) could be beneficial, but its just not realistic at this point with an ever-rising national debt. Also, a Fair Tax would force Congress to do its fucking job (you know, balance the fucking budget) which is just entirely too much to ask. They were tasked by the Constitution "To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures", but they found that entirely too hard and gave that responsibility away as soon as they hit the first big hurdle. Cant have that sort of problem hanging around your neck in an election year, might as well privatize our monetary system (John Adams would be absolutely rolling in his grave if he were alive today).

Foreign Policy: Iraq needs to end. Shouldnt have been there in the first place, but we are. No use going back and forth on whose fault it is, better to just come up with a solution. The sooner the better but not at the expense of an unstable government in Iraq. Obviously I lean toward Obama on this issue.

I am of the mind that diplomatic relations with any and all countries is important. No matter our status with them. Keep channels open...wtf is so bad about that? Our meeting with them legitimizes their positions? Are you kidding? They dont need verification from the US to "legitimize" their position. They hold said position because they can, whether by force or cult of personality.

I dont hear any politicians complaining about meeting with China. They are not a democracy, they are not an open society even. But we dont mind because they loan us money and their consumer market is about to eclipse the US in its best days. Why do you think our government is so complicit with them? Because theyre going to pass us economically, thats inevitable, our lobbyist-controlled government knows where their bread is buttered and it isnt by we citizens. The Corporations of this country see an emerging market like never before seen in the history of the world, not even America's emergence. They have 9 million new drivers per year who buy new cars (not including existing drivers) just to name one area of intense interest. Its the same reason Japan is playing nice as well. They know where theyll be sending their electronic gadgets in 10-15 years, better to hold palaver now.

But thats ok, I guess. Whatever...no politician in my lifetime sees the world the way I do personally (maybe Ron Paul, but thats iffy at best). So I have to stick to the major affairs and judge accordingly.

The War on Terror is complete bullshit. Its the "War on Drugs" or the "War on Crime" or the "War on <insert vague noun here>" of our time and just as effective. There is no war with terrorists. If it were, it wouldnt make them terrorists now would it? No, theyd be an army if we could actually go to "war" with them.

Theyre an irregular opponent masked under extreme religious convictions and covered by the societies they dwell in. There is no winning with them, only more death. The best you can do with terrorism is what we did in Afghanistan. Ally with the government, drive them out of the country.

Because then you see where they run. Seeing a cockroach and killing it is one thing. Finding out where they live and breed is another, more important piece of info. At least we know who are not our allies and treat them accordingly. That means no aid whatsoever to them or their proxies.

Anyway, I am digressing here. Neither candidate thinks the same way as me, so its more or less a wash. What it came down to was America's perception abroad. Bush took 100+ years of excellent foreign relations and flushed them down the toilet in less than 6 years. We are a fucking shadow of our former selves (in foreign clout, I mean) thanks to that fucking born-again idiot.

Its my opinion that either candidate would do wonders to repair that reputation. Hell, I would do wonders in contrast to Bush. But seriously, McCain or Obama would at least show the world that not all Americans are spineless, redneck cowboy retards afraid of their own shadow because you got your lipped bloodied in a skirmish 7 years ago. Show them, and more importantly other Americans, that we are not cowards and that terrorists or any other unconventional threats will not rule our entire existence in any way, shape or form.

Foreign policy I lean with neither candidate. Both are significant upgrades over our current POTUS. Total wash in my opinion, the differences just arent that striking to me, and neither actually share my worldview...so fuck it.

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All in all, I am going to vote for Obama. Mainly on the health of McCain and his deplorable VP pick. Its an insult to Americans in general, imo, that in a country that really only allows you a choice of two, that one of them would pick an absolutely divisive character who actively encourages other Americans to see the other candidate as an associate of terrorists, that there are parts of America that are universally un-American and that foreign policy experience is gained simply by your proximity to a foreign land. Because if thats the case, you Texans are experts on Mexico and I'm an expert on Canada.

Again, her as a VP wouldnt be a deal-breaker if McCain was (shit, I dont know) 60 years old instead of 72 (when inaugurated). But he is 72, he has health problems, he is a former POW with lingering handicaps from that terrible ordeal and frankly, that dumb, pandering, divisive bitch scares the living shit out of me if she were actually POTUS.

Quite literally, scares the shit out of me.

Then again, since I am for the dissolution of our government in its current form, maybe the better pick would be McCain in the hopes that he does die in office so that broad can be promoted. Then she would have to confirm my previous suspicion of being dangerous and start suspending rights, starting wars and generally running amok because her campaign is guided only by "God", not that silly, old-boy network in Washington they call "Congress" while making moral platitudes about where and when the "inalienable rights" granted to all human beings thats written into the Constitution should be applied in times of war. And since we have a vague, ever changing "War on Terror" with no clear battlefield or discernible opponent, we will always be (technically) at war and therefore the powers of POTUS are nearly limitless.

Hmm...come to think of it...

But seriously, my one reservation about Obama has nothing to do with Obama himself. It has everything to do with giving over Congress and the White House to Democrats. Make no mistake, they will fuck up just as bad in the next 4 years as the Republicans did with the first 6 of Bush's reign.

So once again I find myself, as we all do every time this year (if you have one non-partisan bone in your body that is) with a choice of a "lesser of two evils".

*sigh*

I hate this government with the very fabric of my being for this kind of subversive, obviously tainted election bullshit. Red hot fury of a thousand suns. We are being conned by a very few, powerful individuals into thinking there is actually a difference between these two situations/candidates.

[DarkReign]

Oh btw, Obama better thank Hillary for kicking his ass on the primary trail. She taught him by proxy how shit is done at the top. I think he learned well.

[peewee's lovechild]

I agree that we need more choices.

It's ridiculous that we only have two, that acutally stand a chance of winning anything, that is.

The two party system must be done away with, but that's not happening any time soon.

[DarrinS]

I pretty much agree with all your points, with the exception that I don't think Biden is a foreign policy genius.

[DarkReign]

I pretty much agree with all your points, with the exception that I don't think Biden is a foreign policy genius.

:lol I never said he was a genius, I just said that he was/is the Chairman for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

[DarkReign]

To qualify that great wall of text, I'd like to say one thing.

If you think my Palin rationalization is flawed or just plain dumb, let me put it this way.

If McCain had selected a more qualified and far less divisive VP (like saaaaaaay Lieberman), McCain would get my automatic vote based on the composition of Congress.

I do not like giving one party all the power. But if I have to choose a lesser evil, then by my standard, Palin excludes McCain near automatically.

And no, she is still not hot. At all. Even slightly.

[angel_luv]

I had put this is the I voted thread, but will repost it here.



I do not trust Senator Obama at all. I think he is dangerous.
Can I prove that he is? No.
But that is what concerns me. I think Senator Obama has ulterior motives and is such a good liar that he will fool the majority of the world before being finally found out.

That said, there would be no one more happier than myself if I were proven wrong. I just don't expect to be.


Senator McCain has not impressed me as a candidate either, but is the least disappointing choice.
I hope Senator McCain will govern in a way that I can look back and in retrospect be pleased I voted for him.

If nothing else, at least McCain is pro life, which is one thing I certainly support.

[CuckingFunt]

I agree that we need more choices.

It's ridiculous that we only have two, that acutally stand a chance of winning anything, that is.

The two party system must be done away with, but that's not happening any time soon.

The problem, of course, is that third party candidates are largely appealing because the fact that they have no real chance of winning allows them to break all the rules. If a third party (or fourth, or fifth, or whatever) candidate suddenly got close enough in the polls to be a threat, they'd start pulling the same shit that makes the Dems and Repubs so unappealing. I hate to admit how cynical I've gotten about the whole process, but I can't help thinking more "legitimate" parties would just mean choosing the lesser of more evils.

[clambake]

I had put this is the I voted thread, but will repost it here.

how is he dangerous?

what are his ulterior motives?

mccain will be anything you want in return for a vote. pro-life, pro-choice, you tell him and he'll say ok.

[angel_luv]

how is he dangerous?

what are his ulterior motives?

mccain will be anything you want in return for a vote. pro-life, pro-choice, you tell him and he'll say ok.

I already told you that I cannot prove my strong suspicions about Obama. Only time will tell if I am right or wrong.

I am just going to vote according to my inner convictions and gut instincts and be straight up about it.
That is all I am responsible to do.

Again let me stress, I do not like Senator McCain. I just disapprove of him less than I do Senator Obama.

[Bartleby]

You're not one of those "Obama is the anti-Christ" people, are you?

[hater]

"But that is what concerns me. I think Senator Obama has ulterior motives and is such a good liar that he will fool the majority of the world before being finally found out."

what the heck does that mean? ulterior motives? sounds like you think he is truly a muslim terrorist?

what are his ulterior motives?

[angel_luv]

You're not one of those "Obama is the anti-Christ" people, are you?

I don't know. Maybe.

I have not rulled out the possibility, but I don't have enough information yet to be certain one way or the other.

If Senator Obama has addressed the anti Christ accusations, I would be greatly interested to hear what he had to say.
Have any articles/ quotes?

[CuckingFunt]

Wow.

[DarrinS]

I don't know. Maybe.

I have not rulled out the possibility, but I don't have enough information yet to be certain one way or the other.

If Senator Obama has addressed the anti Christ accusations, I would be greatly interested to hear what he had to say.
Have any articles/ quotes?



I think he's a one-man terror cell. Just kidding.


Has anyone inspected his scalp for 666?

[angel_luv]

"But that is what concerns me. I think Senator Obama has ulterior motives and is such a good liar that he will fool the majority of the world before being finally found out."

what the heck does that mean? ulterior motives? sounds like you think he is truly a muslim terrorist?

what are his ulterior motives?

If Senator Obama was an outright scoundrel than I wouldn't think he had ulterior motives now would I?

Just because Senator Obama says the "right things" and says them well, does not mean that he is sincere and trustworthy in regards to them.

Only hindsight is 20/20. Time alone will tell the true story.

[Shastafarian]

I don't know. Maybe.

I have not rulled out the possibility, but I don't have enough information yet to be certain one way or the other.

If Senator Obama has addressed the anti Christ accusations, I would be greatly interested to hear what he had to say.
Have any articles/ quotes?

Oy

He'd probably say it's ridiculous because it is.

[clambake]

If Senator Obama has addressed the anti Christ accusations, I would be greatly interested to hear what he had to say.

there you have it, ladys and gentlemen!

holy shit!

[BacktoBasics]

I won't vote. The electronic voting system is too easily hacked and manipulated. Plus voting doesn't matter.

I would love to completely do away with the parties. We have people voting because of their affiliation or loyalty to a party not because they've made an objective well thought out decision. Its fucking stupid.

[MannyIsGod]

I don't know. Maybe.

I have not rulled out the possibility, but I don't have enough information yet to be certain one way or the other.

If Senator Obama has addressed the anti Christ accusations, I would be greatly interested to hear what he had to say.
Have any articles/ quotes?

Senator Obama will never address any accusations he is the Anti-Christ anymore than he would address being the messiah, Easter Bunny, or Santa Clause. Can you imagine the news headlines if a guy named Hussein started to talk about whether or not he was the Anti-Christ? I can, and they would be the lead ins on every news show and the headline on ever newspaper and John McCain would instantly rise at least 10 points in the polls because lending that kind of legitimacy to such a ridiculous notion would be the worst job of campaigning in presidental election history.

I don't think you have any information to say that Obama is the Anti-Christ. I'm not sure what you would identify in Senator Obama that you associate with the Anti-Christ and I really don't know what else to say about this. I'm kinda floored.

[BacktoBasics]

lol @ antichrist issues

[DarrinS]

I'm not scared of Obama, but I am scared of Mrs Obama?


That is a massive fo-head.


http://www.stop-obama.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/pirhana.jpg

[DarrinS]

and Michelle Obama has man hands.

[romad_20]

I don't know. Maybe.

I have not rulled out the possibility, but I don't have enough information yet to be certain one way or the other.

If Senator Obama has addressed the anti Christ accusations, I would be greatly interested to hear what he had to say.
Have any articles/ quotes?

:lol Are you being serious? I said I respected your opinion in the other thread but if you're making decisions based on beliefs that Obama may be the anti-christ, then nevermind.

According to christian beliefs, the anti-christ is coming whether you like it or not, so voting against Obama for that reason isn't going to stop it. In fact wouldn't it bring about the rapture quicker?

I would laugh out loud if he really "addressed" the anti- christ accusations.

Obama: "I can assure you that I'm not the anti-christ"

[MannyIsGod]

lol @ antichrist issues

Had anyone else posted it I would have known it was a joke. I know its NOT a joke when Angel posts it which is why I'm not sure how to react.

For the first time in Spurstalk Political Forum History, I'm precipitously close to speechlessness.

[hater]

If Senator Obama was an outright scoundrel than I wouldn't think he had ulterior motives now would I?

Just because Senator Obama says the "right things" and says them well, does not mean that he is sincere and trustworthy in regards to them.

Only hindsight is 20/20. Time alone will tell the true story.

wake up. you need a basis for your accusations. You can't just accuse somebody of being a liar if you have no factual basis whatsoever.

It's like me starting a rumor that you are a liar without any reason at all. That would not be fair, would it?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I don't know. Maybe.

I have not rulled out the possibility, but I don't have enough information yet to be certain one way or the other.

If Senator Obama has addressed the anti Christ accusations, I would be greatly interested to hear what he had to say.
Have any articles/ quotes?

Am I the only one that thinks Angel was being sarcastic here?

[Bartleby]

But what if Obama is the Anti-Christ?

Oh, dear God! We won't know for sure until it's too late!!!

(better to play it safe and just assume that he is).

[MannyIsGod]

Obama: "I can assure you , um, that I'm not , um, the anti-christ"

FYP and I just pictured him saying this and I nearly choked. I had hand motions and everything.

[cheguevara]

:lol wow

angelluv just became the single most bizarre poster in Spurstalk history if she's serious

[MannyIsGod]

Am I the only one that thinks Angel was being sarcastic here?

Yes, although if Veronica was being sarcastic or joking then it was the best joke in the history of Spurstalk and I bit that shit HARD.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Yes, although if Veronica was being sarcastic or joking then it was the best joke in the history of Spurstalk and I bit that shit HARD.


looks like you weren't the only one...

[DarkReign]

...and I bit that shit HARD.

sigworthy

[clambake]

Am I the only one that thinks Angel was being sarcastic here?

yes. you are the only one. thoughts like angel luv's are the core foundation of the republican party. without the millions that think this way, the republicans would NEVER win.

[DarrinS]

You're the Devil !


http://www.doakisland.com/school/hyperhypo.jpg

[ElNono]

I already told you that I cannot prove my strong suspicions about Obama. Only time will tell if I am right or wrong.

I am just going to vote according to my inner convictions and gut instincts and be straight up about it.
That is all I am responsible to do.

Again let me stress, I do not like Senator McCain. I just disapprove of him less than I do Senator Obama.

How about going out there and researching, and actually getting informed? Is that not the responsible thing to do?
It's probably just too much work, right?

[DarrinS]

yes. you are the only one. thoughts like angel luv's are the core foundation of the republican party. without the millions that think this way, the republicans would NEVER win.

that ridiculous

[boutons_]

"need a basis for your accusations."

People who are pre-occupied, dominated by a religious worldview are often also susceptible to magical/irrational/superstitious/unexamined-intutitive thinking.

[fyatuk]

I do not like giving one party all the power. But if I have to choose a lesser evil, then by my standard, Palin excludes McCain near automatically.

I completely agree about giving one party all the power. Can't stand the concept of a single party governing.

I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils though. I think either McCain or Obama would be tremendously bad for our country, and I refuse to support either of them.

[CuckingFunt]

Am I the only one that thinks Angel was being sarcastic here?

Yes.

I'd welcome being proven wrong, but I don't think I've ever seen Angel do sarcasm.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I'm going to be patient and give Angel the benefit of the doubt. Good sarcasm is hard to find these days, and given the people involved and the subject at hand, this could very well be the best use of sarcasm in Spurstalk history :lol

[ElNono]

I don't know. Maybe.

I have not rulled out the possibility, but I don't have enough information yet to be certain one way or the other.

If Senator Obama has addressed the anti Christ accusations, I would be greatly interested to hear what he had to say.
Have any articles/ quotes?

:lmao:lmao:lmao

This shit is sig-worthy if serious.

[hater]

I'm going to be patient and give Angel the benefit of the doubt. Good sarcasm is hard to find these days, and given the people involved and the subject at hand, this could very well be the best use of sarcasm in Spurstalk history :lol

why would you think it's sarcasm?

read her other posts. She truly beleives this. :wow

[BacktoBasics]

Had anyone else posted it I would have known it was a joke. I know its NOT a joke when Angel posts it which is why I'm not sure how to react.

For the first time in Spurstalk Political Forum History, I'm precipitously close to speechlessness.My Reaction:

Some of you people have no right to vote...or better yet should lose that right.


Angel Luv's voting capsule:

He's not a CHRISTIAN!

I don’t want someone with tainted… anything in beliefs, doing anything with my family!

Darksided!

Their entire house is darksided too!

Everything’s un-Godly!

Gargoyles!… Psychics!

Get the hell out of my house- in Jesus’ name I pray!

GET OUT!

I give it up to God I’m a GOD WARRIOR!

[MaNuMaNiAc]

why would you think it's sarcasm?

read her other posts. She truly beleives this. :wow

I don't know... because its hard for me to cope with the idea that people that actually believe that shit actually DO EXIST...

Again, I'll wait 'till Angel clarifies that matter. Hopefully, I'm right.

[Bartleby]

*crickets*

[romad_20]

My Reaction:

Some of you people have no right to vote...or better yet should lose that right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WewLRxOrfZo

If you should be scared of anyone, this is the person.

[DarkReign]

I completely agree about giving one party all the power. Can't stand the concept of a single party governing.

I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils though. I think either McCain or Obama would be tremendously bad for our country, and I refuse to support either of them.

You know, since Michigan is all wrapped up as a Blue state already, you may have a point.

It might affect the total numbers for the popular vote, but who gives a fuck about that.

Point is, I agree with you. But in a close election or troubled times as these, voting third party is a wasted vote (especially if you live in a swing state, which I believe neither of us do). All youre bascially doing is helping the candidate believe he'll get the required 8% for public funding.

[MannyIsGod]

Contrary to popular belief the popular vote DOES matter.

[BacktoBasics]

I don't know... because its hard for me to cope with the idea that people that actually believe that shit actually DO EXIST...

Again, I'll wait 'till Angel clarifies that matter. Hopefully, I'm right.


We all know how she feels. She wasn't joking no matter what she says.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WewLRxOrfZo

If you should be scared of anyone, this is the person.

I just read that the daughter was killed last year in a car wreck. Must have been gods plan all along.

[angel_luv]

I didn't say Obama was the anti Christ- only that he COULD be and that time would prove it one way or the other.

I am just saying that I am watching Senator Obama- very carefully.


The Anti Christ is going to be someone that is well spoken, well liked, charismatic, impressive and likely handsome.
The Anti Christ will be convincing and a humanitarian.
Not until later in his reign will the Anti Christ show his true colors and prove to be the villian that he is.

What concerns me about Obama is 1) how he appears to be so easily and widespread received as a political savior
and 2) the instances in which Obama subtly undermines the Truth of the Bible while appearing to embrace it.

I offer this example of the latter:


Obama writes in his book, The Audacity of Hope, "I am not willing to have the state deny American citizens a civil union that confers equivalent rights on such basic matters as hospital visitation or health insurance coverage simply because the people they love are of the same sex—nor am I willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount.”

You cannot pick and choose portions of the Scripture to embrace. Either God's Word is ALL true or it is a lie.

In the above referenced verses, we are not even talking about Old Testament vs New Testament.
Senator Obama does not even have the faith to take the entire New Testament as it is written.

Yet Senator Obama is willing to reference to parts of it such as the Sermon on the Mount that he knows most everyone will find palatable.

You may all think I am crazy.
But at least you can know I am not a liar because I tell you EXACTLY what I believe, regardless of how popular or unpopular my view is.

Someone, someday WILL be the anti christ, so I am not sure why you find so shocking the fact that I am open to Obama proving to be he.
Again, I admit nothing has been absolutely proven- yet.

[DarkReign]

Contrary to popular belief the popular vote DOES matter.

Yes it does....intrastate.

Not nationally.

[Findog]

I already told you that I cannot prove my strong suspicions about Obama. Only time will tell if I am right or wrong.


Then you are casting an uninformed vote. If you want to read up on his policy positions and his proposals, go to his website. Then you could at least cast a vote against him on the basis of not agreeing with his policy views. Sounds to me like "ACORN/Ayers/Anti-Americanism" has made you fearful of the scary black man. I'm not saying you're a racist, but you've obviously bought McCain's fear-mongering.




Again let me stress, I do not like Senator McCain. I just disapprove of him less than I do Senator Obama.

You do realize that John McCain could not care less about the issue of abortion, right? He's been at war with the evangelical base of the GOP until he ran for President and decided he couldn't win without their support.

[TheMadHatter]

He's not a CHRISTIAN!

I don’t want someone with tainted… anything in beliefs, doing anything with my family!

Darksided!

Their entire house is darksided too!

Everything’s un-Godly!

Gargoyles!… Psychics!

Get the hell out of my house- in Jesus’ name I pray!

GET OUT!

I give it up to God I’m a GOD WARRIOR!

:lmao

[clambake]

yikes

[Findog]

I didn't say Obama was the anti Christ- only that he COULD be and that time would prove it one way or the other.

I am just saying that I am watching Senator Obama- very carefully.

The Anti Christ is going to be someone that is well spoken, well liked, charismatic, impressive and likely handsome.
The Anti Christ will be convincing and a humanitarian.
Not until later in his reign will the Anti Christ show his true colors and prove to be the villian that he is.

Wow. I don't even know what to say to this. If it were anybody but angel luv, I'd tear them to shreds on this. But since she is respectful to other posters, I'll let it pass without comment.

[hater]

:lmao

I'm speechless

[ElNono]

I didn't say Obama was the anti Christ- only that he COULD be and that time would prove it one way or the other.

I am just saying that I am watching Senator Obama- very carefully.

The Anti Christ is going to be someone that is well spoken, well liked, charismatic, impressive and likely handsome.
The Anti Christ will be convincing and a humanitarian.
Not until later in his reign will the Anti Christ show his true colors and prove to be the villian that he is.

What concerns me about Obama is 1) how he appears to be so easily and widespread received as a political savior
and 2) the instances in which Obama subtly undermines the Truth of the Bible while appearing to embrace it.

I offer this example of the latter:



You cannot pick and choose portions of the Scripture to embrace. Either God's Word is ALL true or it is a lie.

In the above referenced verses, we are not even talking about Old Testament vs New Testament.
Senator Obama does not even have the faith to take the entire New Testament as it is written.

Yet Senator Obama is willing to reference to parts of it such as the Sermon on the Mount that he knows most everyone will find palatable.

You may all think I am crazy.
But at least you can know I am not a liar because I tell you EXACTLY what I believe, regardless of how popular or unpopular my view is.

Someone, someday WILL be the anti christ, so I am not sure why you find so shocking the fact that I am open to Obama proving to be he.
Again, I admit nothing has been absolutely proven- yet.

Wow, just wow...

[Shastafarian]

You may all think I am crazy.


A little, yeah.

[hater]

classic thread in the making

[BacktoBasics]

I didn't say Obama was the anti Christ- only that he COULD be and that time would prove it one way or the other.

I am just saying that I am watching Senator Obama- very carefully.


The Anti Christ is going to be someone that is well spoken, well liked, charismatic, impressive and likely handsome.
The Anti Christ will be convincing and a humanitarian.
Not until later in his reign will the Anti Christ show his true colors and prove to be the villian that he is.

What concerns me about Obama is 1) how he appears to be so easily and widespread received as a political savior
and 2) the instances in which Obama subtly undermines the Truth of the Bible while appearing to embrace it.

I offer this example of the latter:



You cannot pick and choose portions of the Scripture to embrace. Either God's Word is ALL true or it is a lie.

In the above referenced verses, we are not even talking about Old Testament vs New Testament.
Senator Obama does not even have the faith to take the entire New Testament as it is written.

Yet Senator Obama is willing to reference to parts of it such as the Sermon on the Mount that he knows most everyone will find palatable.

You may all think I am crazy.
But at least you can know I am not a liar because I tell you EXACTLY what I believe, regardless of how popular or unpopular my view is.

Someone, someday WILL be the anti christ, so I am not sure why you find so shocking the fact that I am open to Obama proving to be he.
Again, I admit nothing has been absolutely proven- yet. You people will turn anything into the anti-christ. Disturbing views you god warriors harbor. Not everything has to have a label you know. Sometimes things in this world are random and spontaneous. To remove random and spontaneous in lue of good or bad is purely demented and probably clinically insane.

[Findog]

I have strong suspicions that Senator Obama is the flying spaghetti monster. Until my suspicions are addressed positively, I have no choice but to vote for Senator McCain.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

I didn't say Obama was the anti Christ- only that he COULD be and that time would prove it one way or the other.

I am just saying that I am watching Senator Obama- very carefully.


The Anti Christ is going to be someone that is well spoken, well liked, charismatic, impressive and likely handsome.
The Anti Christ will be convincing and a humanitarian.
Not until later in his reign will the Anti Christ show his true colors and prove to be the villian that he is.

What concerns me about Obama is 1) how he appears to be so easily and widespread received as a political savior
and 2) the instances in which Obama subtly undermines the Truth of the Bible while appearing to embrace it.

I offer this example of the latter:



You cannot pick and choose portions of the Scripture to embrace. Either God's Word is ALL true or it is a lie.

In the above referenced verses, we are not even talking about Old Testament vs New Testament.
Senator Obama does not even have the faith to take the entire New Testament as it is written.

Yet Senator Obama is willing to reference to parts of it such as the Sermon on the Mount that he knows most everyone will find palatable.

You may all think I am crazy.
But at least you can know I am not a liar because I tell you EXACTLY what I believe, regardless of how popular or unpopular my view is.

Someone, someday WILL be the anti christ, so I am not sure why you find so shocking the fact that I am open to Obama proving to be he.
Again, I admit nothing has been absolutely proven- yet.

well SHUCKS!, guess I was wrong... :depressed

Anyway, like I said, Angel's vote is her own and she is free to believe what she wants...

Problem is, I'm dead certain there are millions that think like this, and that scares the living shit out of me to tell you the truth.

[ElNono]

I have strong suspicions that Senator Obama is the flying spaghetti monster. Until my suspicions are addressed positively, I have no choice but to vote for Senator McCain.

Can I categorize that as a 'strong gut-feeling'?

[romad_20]

I didn't say Obama was the anti Christ- only that he COULD be and that time would prove it one way or the other.

I am just saying that I am watching Senator Obama- very carefully.


The Anti Christ is going to be someone that is well spoken, well liked, charismatic, impressive and likely handsome.
The Anti Christ will be convincing and a humanitarian.
Not until later in his reign will the Anti Christ show his true colors and prove to be the villian that he is.

What concerns me about Obama is 1) how he appears to be so easily and widespread received as a political savior
and 2) the instances in which Obama subtly undermines the Truth of the Bible while appearing to embrace it.

I offer this example of the latter:



You cannot pick and choose portions of the Scripture to embrace. Either God's Word is ALL true or it is a lie.

In the above referenced verses, we are not even talking about Old Testament vs New Testament.
Senator Obama does not even have the faith to take the entire New Testament as it is written.

Yet Senator Obama is willing to reference to parts of it such as the Sermon on the Mount that he knows most everyone will find palatable.

You may all think I am crazy.
But at least you can know I am not a liar because I tell you EXACTLY what I believe, regardless of how popular or unpopular my view is.

Someone, someday WILL be the anti christ, so I am not sure why you find so shocking the fact that I am open to Obama proving to be he.
Again, I admit nothing has been absolutely proven- yet.

This makes me sad. :depressed

Doesn't the Bible contradict itself in many places? Doesn't the old testament have a bunch of old laws that aren't followed anymore (stoning women, not touching women on their period etc.) Aren't you just picking and choosing what scriptures you want by doing that?

Fundamentalism scares the shit out of me, regardless of the religion.

[angel_luv]

I wasn't joking Manny. I have an authentic concern about Senator Obama.

I hope I am wrong but I can't just take your guys' word for it.

Knowing the truth is a way greater priority to me than whether or not you guys think I am crazy in the process of discovering it.

Rest assured, when I am sure one way or the other, I will glady post it.

[nkdlunch]

:lmao

so according to angel we must be suspicious of all well spoken, well liked, charismatic, impressive and likely handsome people.

BEWARE!

:lmao

what a crazy way to live life

[DarrinS]

Angel,

I can assure you that Obama is not the anti-Christ.


That job is already taken.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Content/Image/04-08-2008/Jerry-Jones.jpg

[clambake]

well SHUCKS!, guess I was wrong... :depressed

Anyway, like I said, Angel's vote is her own and she is free to believe what she wants...

Problem is, I'm dead certain there are millions that think like this, and that scares the living shit out of me to tell you the truth.

you can bet your ass that there are millions that think like this.

and they will all be voting for mccain.

[DarkReign]

Someone, someday WILL be the anti christ, so I am not sure why you find so shocking the fact that I am open to Obama proving to be he.
Again, I admit nothing has been absolutely proven- yet.

Youre going to have more than enough people pouncing all over you for this, so I'll stick to the thing that stuck out to me.

There will never be a born-to-be Anti-Christ like you believe. There will never be a child with the mark of the beast. You know why? Because youre taking it entirely to literally, which is sad really.

Think of the antiChrist as a metaphor (like most of the Bible is).

The antiChrist can be many things to many people. My personal antiChrist will be the guy/gal who actually starts and ends WW3.

Think of the "Mark of the Beast" as a metaphor.

Could be different things to different people. There are people right now who claim to know who the antiChrist is and what the mark of the beast looks like.

Are they wrong? Who the fuck cares, is the better question.

The end-all, be-all subject for some is not the same for all. There are people who bomb abortion clinics and feel morally justified doing so. There are people who feel Israel is mark of stain on the world and kill themselves in the streets trying to take as many Israelis with them in the process.

They think the star of David is the mark of the beast.

Point is, youre voting with your heart and not your head. Thats your right.

But I would strongly urge you to remove your moral convictions from the equation....but I doubt you can do that. Most fathful people cant. Thats called indoctrination.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I wasn't joking Manny. I have an authentic concern about Senator Obama.

I hope I am wrong but I can't just take your guys' word for it.

Knowing the truth is a way greater priority to me than whether or not you guys think I am crazy in the process of discovering it.

Rest assured, when I am sure one way or the other, I will glady post it.

How do you propose to find out whether Obama (or anyone for that matter) is the anti-christ? Are you Van Helsing or something?

[Findog]

This makes me sad. :depressed

Doesn't the Bible contradict itself in many places? Doesn't the old testament have a bunch of old laws that aren't followed anymore (stoning women, not touching women on their period etc.) Aren't you just picking and choosing what scriptures you want by doing that?

Fundamentalism scares the shit out of me, regardless of the religion.

Take how the Bible arrives at the conclusion that homosexuality is a sin.

Jesus says nothing about same-sex behavior.

The Jewish prophets are silent about homosexuality.

Only six or seven of the Bible's one million verses refer to same-sex behavior in any way -- and none of these verses refer to homosexual orientation as it's understood today.

There's that story of Lot offering up his wife and daughter for gang rape to an angry mob so they won't buttrape his son instead. THAT'S how they come to the conclusion that homosexuality is bad. But here's what I take from that story at face value -

Sodomy :td
gang rape of females :tu

[Shastafarian]

Youre going to have more than enough people pouncing all over you for this, so I'll stick to the thing that stuck out to me.

There will never be a born-to-be Anti-Christ like you believe. There will never be a child with the mark of the beast. You know why? Because youre taking it entirely to literally, which is sad really.

Think of the antiChrist as a metaphor (like most of the Bible is).

The antiChrist can be many things to many people. My personal antiChrist will be the guy/gal who actually starts and ends WW3.

Think of the "Mark of the Beast" as a metaphor.

Could be different things to different people. There are people right now who claim to know who the antiChrist is and what the mark of the beast looks like.

Are they wrong? Who the fuck cares, is the better question.

The end-all, be-all subject for some is not the same for all. There are people who bomb abortion clinics and feel morally justified doing so. There are people who feel Israel is mark of stain on the world and kill themselves in the streets trying to take as many Israelis with them in the process.

They think the star of David is the mark of the beast.

Point is, youre voting with your heart and not your head. Thats your right.

But I would strongly urge you to remove your moral convictions from the equation....but I doubt you can do that. Most fathful people cant. Thats called indoctrination.

I'll go ahead and cut you off at the start of this. She doesn't believe it's a metaphor. She believes the Bible (all of it) is literal.

[BacktoBasics]

:lmao

so according to angel we must be suspicious of all well spoken, well liked, charismatic, impressive and likely handsome people.

BEWARE!

:lmao

what a crazy way to live lifeAccording to this theory her boyfriend is the anti-crist.

[DarkReign]

How do you propose to find out whether Obama (or anyone for that matter) is the anti-christ? Are you Van Helsing or something?

Alright, alright....I admit, I laughed my ass off. OKay? Damn you OG.

[Findog]

:lmao

so according to angel we must be suspicious of all well spoken, well liked, charismatic, impressive and likely handsome people.

BEWARE!

:lmao

what a crazy way to live life

So which one is the anti-Christ?

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/startracks/061023/bill_clinton.jpg

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/ronaldreagan.jpeg

http://mobasoft.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/barack-obama-official-small.jpg

[Shastafarian]

Doesn't the Bible contradict itself in many places? Doesn't the old testament have a bunch of old laws that aren't followed anymore (stoning women, not touching women on their period etc.) Aren't you just picking and choosing what scriptures you want by doing that?


I'm wondering when Jesus or the apostles changes the sabbath to Sunday. I guess the Jews can't read!

[DarkReign]

My thread has been officially fucking hijacked.

God damn it. Another religious thread. .....shit...

[CuckingFunt]

I didn't say Obama was the anti Christ- only that he COULD be and that time would prove it one way or the other.

I am just saying that I am watching Senator Obama- very carefully.


The Anti Christ is going to be someone that is well spoken, well liked, charismatic, impressive and likely handsome.
The Anti Christ will be convincing and a humanitarian.
Not until later in his reign will the Anti Christ show his true colors and prove to be the villian that he is.

What concerns me about Obama is 1) how he appears to be so easily and widespread received as a political savior
and 2) the instances in which Obama subtly undermines the Truth of the Bible while appearing to embrace it.

I offer this example of the latter:



You cannot pick and choose portions of the Scripture to embrace. Either God's Word is ALL true or it is a lie.

In the above referenced verses, we are not even talking about Old Testament vs New Testament.
Senator Obama does not even have the faith to take the entire New Testament as it is written.

Yet Senator Obama is willing to reference to parts of it such as the Sermon on the Mount that he knows most everyone will find palatable.

You may all think I am crazy.
But at least you can know I am not a liar because I tell you EXACTLY what I believe, regardless of how popular or unpopular my view is.

Someone, someday WILL be the anti christ, so I am not sure why you find so shocking the fact that I am open to Obama proving to be he.
Again, I admit nothing has been absolutely proven- yet.

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5590/tokenra7.jpg

I'm out.

[nkdlunch]

So which one is the anti-Christ?

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2006/startracks/061023/bill_clinton.jpg

http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/ronaldreagan.jpeg

http://mobasoft.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/barack-obama-official-small.jpg

I raise

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/manu_ginobili-arton20975-240x240.jpg

[Bartleby]

My thread has been officially fucking hijacked.

God damn it. Another religious thread. .....shit...

Yep, straight to hell.

[Findog]

I raise

http://www.hoopsvibe.com/IMG/manu_ginobili-arton20975-240x240.jpg

http://www.sheknowsbest.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/michael-jordan-airjordan-xx3.jpg

[clambake]

the fear campaign hits the bullseye.

her and all the other angel luvs.

[Findog]

C'mon, how is this guy NOT the anti-christ?

http://www.sheknowsbest.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/michael-jordan-airjordan-xx3.jpg

http://nationalbasketblogassociation.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/chicago_bulls.gif

[Bartleby]

C'mon, how is this guy NOT the anti-christ?

http://www.sheknowsbest.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/michael-jordan-airjordan-xx3.jpg

No, but I'm still convinced he made a deal with the devil.

[nkdlunch]

Jordan is not exactly the portrayal of well liked. His teamates hated him and he was an addict(gamblimg)

Manu is the perfect anti-christ according to Angel's requirements. Plus he admited he's not a beleiver :lol

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

This thread is filled with sugary goodness.

[Shastafarian]

wvL5g-KmJhU

[Findog]

There's always the Kobe vs. MJ debate. Which one is the anti-Christ?

http://www.onlinesurgery.com/blog/kobe%20bryant%20rhinplasty.jpg

He has this chick's vote:

http://www.ryanmcbain.com/images/125_kate002.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

Yes it does....intrastate.

Not nationally.

It matters nationally as it is a source of political capital.

[Findog]

Jordan is not exactly the portrayal of well liked. His teamates hated him and he was an addict(gamblimg)

Charming and charismatic...AND the Bulls colors were red and black. I rest my case.

[Findog]

Manu is the perfect anti-christ according to Angel's requirements. Plus he admited he's not a beleiver :lol

Yeah, but he's got that bald spot he refuses to do anything about. I would imagine the REAL anti-Christ would have thick, flowing locks, or would at least straight-razor that shit like MJ.

[peewee's lovechild]

I don't know. Maybe.

I have not rulled out the possibility, but I don't have enough information yet to be certain one way or the other.

If Senator Obama has addressed the anti Christ accusations, I would be greatly interested to hear what he had to say.
Have any articles/ quotes?

Damn Angel, do you honestly believe this?

Obama is the Anti-Christ?

Is this what they are teaching you at church?

Man, I mean, I like you and all that, but this is just so blatantly ignorant.

I thought you would be better than this.

[nkdlunch]

Charming and charismatic...AND the Bulls colors were red and black. I rest my case.

Manu is the best flopper in history. he flops so well, he can't be human

[BacktoBasics]

Don't forget Jordan had his own father killed.

[BacktoBasics]

Damn Angel, do you honestly believe this?

Obama is the Anti-Christ?

Is this what they are teaching you at church?

Man, I mean, I like you and all that, but this is just so blatantly ignorant.

I thought you would be better than this.
She was undecided ok. She's waiting for the right sign.

[angel_luv]

According to this theory her boyfriend is the anti-christ.

No because my boyfriend has accepted and confesses Jesus Christ as his personal savior, which for the record is all Senator Obama needs to do to clarify his position and prove himself not to be the anti christ.



I'm sorry Dark Reign about your thread.

I was asked a question and I answered it.

[Findog]

Don't forget Jordan had his own father killed.

And he went all Tonya Harding on Buzz Peterson's knee in college.

[Findog]

No because my boyfriend has accepted and confesses Jesus Christ as his personal savior, which for the record is all Senator Obama needs to do to clarify his position and prove himself not to be the anti christ.




Senator Obama is a Christian.

[nkdlunch]

No because my boyfriend has accepted and confesses Jesus Christ as his personal savior, which for the record is all Senator Obama needs to do to clarify his position and prove himself not to be the anti christ.


so if your boyfriend had not accepted Jesus, you would suspect he might be the anti-christ?

[Shastafarian]

No because my boyfriend has accepted and confesses Jesus Christ as his personal savior, which for the record is all Senator Obama needs to do to clarify his position and prove himself not to be the anti christ.


Wait I need some clarification. Can the anti-christ do this or just someone who is being accused of being the anti-christ?

[MannyIsGod]

No because my boyfriend has accepted and confesses Jesus Christ as his personal savior, which for the record is all Senator Obama needs to do to clarify his position and prove himself not to be the anti christ.



I'm sorry Dark Reign about your thread.

I was asked a question and I answered it.

Um, I'm fairly certain Senator Obama is a Christian so? What am I missing?

Don't be sorry Angel, you're not the first or the last one here to voice an honest view others think is crazy. Thats how we roll in the political forum.

[ElNono]

Sorry, DR, you started the thread on the right track but when Angel talked about the anti-christ I thought Obama said something about christians, but this whole anti-christ stuff is too much...

I've been literally laughing for the past 5 minutes and I can't stop!
:lmao

[Shastafarian]

Senator Obama is a Christian.

He's not devout enough obviously.

[BacktoBasics]

No because my boyfriend has accepted and confesses Jesus Christ as his personal savior, which for the record is all Senator Obama needs to do to clarify his position and prove himself not to be the anti christ.



I'm sorry Dark Reign about your thread.

I was asked a question and I answered it.Its a ruse to get into your pants.

[Findog]

He's not devout enough obviously.

I like how he's either a Christian under the sway of Radical Reverend Wright or he's a secret Muslim sleeper agent. Pick a lane, please.

[Shastafarian]

I like how he's either a Christian under the sway of Radical Reverend Wright or he's a secret Muslim sleeper agent. Pick a lane, please.

Come on. He's the anti-christ. Surely he can do both without breakin a sweat.

[ElNono]

This just in... Obama is asian and jew!

[Bartleby]

He is legion

[Findog]

This just in... Obama is asian and jew!

He's a queer. They've tried secret Muslim, anti-American member of Wright's congregation, socialist....the last thing to throw up against the wall is he likes teh gay.

[CuckingFunt]

Come on. He's the anti-christ. Surely he can do both without breakin a sweat.

And he plays a mean fiddle.

[clambake]

No because my boyfriend has accepted and confesses Jesus Christ as his personal savior, which for the record is all Senator Obama needs to do to clarify his position and prove himself not to be the anti christ.

yeah, you see, satan would brag about it, instead of trying to convince you otherwise. :downspin:

[Viva Las Espuelas]

.......but when Angel talked about the anti-christ actually bartleby opened that can of worms.

[Findog]

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This woman not only needs her ovaries scraped out, she should be hunted for sport.

[peewee's lovechild]

I didn't say Obama was the anti Christ- only that he COULD be and that time would prove it one way or the other.

I am just saying that I am watching Senator Obama- very carefully.


The Anti Christ is going to be someone that is well spoken, well liked, charismatic, impressive and likely handsome.
The Anti Christ will be convincing and a humanitarian.
Not until later in his reign will the Anti Christ show his true colors and prove to be the villian that he is.

What concerns me about Obama is 1) how he appears to be so easily and widespread received as a political savior
and 2) the instances in which Obama subtly undermines the Truth of the Bible while appearing to embrace it.

I offer this example of the latter:



You cannot pick and choose portions of the Scripture to embrace. Either God's Word is ALL true or it is a lie.

In the above referenced verses, we are not even talking about Old Testament vs New Testament.
Senator Obama does not even have the faith to take the entire New Testament as it is written.

Yet Senator Obama is willing to reference to parts of it such as the Sermon on the Mount that he knows most everyone will find palatable.

You may all think I am crazy.
But at least you can know I am not a liar because I tell you EXACTLY what I believe, regardless of how popular or unpopular my view is.

Someone, someday WILL be the anti christ, so I am not sure why you find so shocking the fact that I am open to Obama proving to be he.
Again, I admit nothing has been absolutely proven- yet.


Damn, I can't believe what I'm reading.

My opinion of you has completely changed.

Do you also believe that black people are the cursed childred of Noah, you know since the bible says that Noah cursed his "Dark" son because he wronged him?

Just. Wow.

[ElNono]

http://beehivehairdresser.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/exorcist.jpg

[angel_luv]

Senator Obama is a Christian.

Even if he is, and I hope he is, Senator Obama's comment regarding what he called " an obscure line in Romans" concerns me enough that I could not vote for him.

If I hear Senator McCain make a comment like that, I assure you that he will not receive my vote either.

[BacktoBasics]

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This woman not only needs her ovaries scraped out, she should be hunted for sport.
If that guy is smart he votes Obama just to get out of that fucked up marriage. What a sicko.

[DarkReign]

It matters nationally as it is a source of political capital.

Ahhhh, now I see where youre going. I meant strictly in the electoral sense.

[Shastafarian]

Even if he is, and I hope he is, Senator Obama's comment regarding what he called " an obscure line in Romans" concerns me enough that I could not vote for him.

If I hear Senator McCain make a comment like that, I assure you that he will not receive my vote either.

So can you say where it says sabbath is on sunday? Just wonderin.

[angel_luv]

Wait I need some clarification. Can the anti-christ do this or just someone who is being accused of being the anti-christ?

The Anti Christ is never going to give honor to Jesus, therefore anyone who does honor Jesus as Lord, is for Christ not against Him.

[Findog]

Even if he is, and I hope he is, Senator Obama's comment regarding what he called " an obscure line in Romans" concerns me enough that I could not vote for him.

So you never eat shellfish, right? It's an abomination unto God.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Is anti-christ the new term for negro? I've been in the EU for a few weeks, just catching up.

Thanks.

[Findog]

If that guy is smart he votes Obama just to get out of that fucked up marriage. What a sicko.

Yeah, I don't really see what she brings to the table. Her personality is underwhelming, to say the least, and she looks like Dirk with a wig on.

[hater]

The Anti Christ is never going to give honor to Jesus, therefore anyone who does honor Jesus as Lord, is for Christ not against Him.

Obama has been in church and prayed. That would rule him out of being the antichrist. correct?

[Shastafarian]

So you never eat shellfish, right? It's an abomination unto God.

Pork too.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Is anti-christ the new term for negro? i've heard liberals can do wonders every once in awhile, so sit tight.

[BacktoBasics]

You guys can't win an arguement with someone who is incapable of thinking rationally. You can't open up new doors and new ways for them to see the things around them. They're brainwashed and nothing can change that. They're the epitome of the very evil they feel they're fighting.

[ElNono]

For what is worth:

Is Barack Obama the Anti-Christ?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/antichrist.asp

[angel_luv]

It would be extremely stupid if I were to have racially motivated opinions about either Senator Obama or Senator McCain seeing as I am biracial- half black and half white.

All I expressed were lingering suspicions I have had about Obama and as was pointed out by myself and other poster, I only did so when asked.

Take my comments as you will, since you are going to anyway. :lol

[CuckingFunt]

You guys can't win an arguement with someone who is incapable of thinking rationally. You can't open up new doors and new ways for them to see the things around them. They're brainwashed and nothing can change that. They're the epitome of the very evil they feel they're fighting.

Hence...


http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5590/tokenra7.jpg

I'm out.

[Shastafarian]

For what is worth:

Is Barack Obama the Anti-Christ?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/antichrist.asp

I don't know whether it's incredibly funny or incredibly sad that snopes did an article about this. I'm gonna go with funny.

[ElNono]

http://iainmackinnon.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/obama.png

[DarrinS]

For what is worth:

Is Barack Obama the Anti-Christ?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/antichrist.asp



Is there one for Jerry Jones?

[ElNono]

Is there one for Jerry Jones?

http://alterdestiny.blogspot.com/2008/10/jerry-jones-nfl-antichrist.html

[hater]

All I expressed were lingering suspicions I have had about Obama and as was pointed out by myself and other poster, I only did so when asked.

Take my comments as you will, since you are going to anyway. :lol

yet you keep ignoring everyone else who posted that it's a proven fact that Obama is a christian.

[romad_20]

Even if he is, and I hope he is, Senator Obama's comment regarding what he called " an obscure line in Romans" concerns me enough that I could not vote for him.

If I hear Senator McCain make a comment like that, I assure you that he will not receive my vote either.

I believe until Saddleback, McCain had never said he was born-again. He wasn't pro-choice until he needed to pander to the far right. I willing to bet that McCain couldn't even quote you any verses out the bible, much less comment on the validity of a specific one in Roman's.

No offense, but I just don't think you're that informed about what's going on with the candidates. Take that how you will, sorry if it sounds mean. Just my opinion

[MaNuMaNiAc]

It would be extremely stupid if I were to have racially motivated opinions about either Senator Obama or Senator McCain seeing as I am biracial- half black and half white.

All I expressed were lingering suspicions I have had about Obama and as was pointed out by myself and other poster, I only did so when asked.

Take my comments as you will, since you are going to anyway. :lol

Seeing as this is Spurstalk, and more to the point the Spurstalk Political forum, I think people are taking it quite easy on you. I've seen a lot worst criticism for statements much less controversial. I think thats a testament to how much people here realize you're a very nice, polite person. IMO if it were any other person, I think this thread would have been nothing but insults.

[ElNono]

I believe until Saddleback, McCain had never said he was born-again. He wasn't pro-choice until he needed to pander to the far right. I willing to bet that McCain couldn't even quote you any verses out the bible, much less comment on the validity of a specific one in Roman's.

No offense, but I just don't think you're that informed about what's going on with the candidates. Take that how you will, sorry if it sounds mean. Just my opinion

+1

I actually think the saddest part of this is the bitchslap she's giving to democracy. An uninformed vote is the worst vote you can ever cast.

[DarrinS]

Holy crap! I knew it.


http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/bloggers_auto/cyborg-barack-obama-25331.jpg

[Shastafarian]

John McCain committed adultery. Isn't the Bible against that?

[1369]

IMO if it were any other person, I think this thread would have been nothing but insults.

They're still there, just couched in more polite terms.

[Findog]

I believe until Saddleback, McCain had never said he was born-again. He wasn't pro-choice until he needed to pander to the far right. I willing to bet that McCain couldn't even quote you any verses out the bible, much less comment on the validity of a specific one in Roman's.

No offense, but I just don't think you're that informed about what's going on with the candidates. Take that how you will, sorry if it sounds mean. Just my opinion

It's amazing to me that she thinks McCain is the more pious of the two:

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/16132


In a way, this scene says everything you need to know about McCain's dilemma. The man is a relic from a previous era of conservatism, when privacy was sacrosanct and public expressions of religiosity were considered vulgar and in bad taste. McCain comes from a generation of American men for whom religion was a ticket you punched once a week, a low-effort symbol of conformity to go with your two-car garage, your sorority-girl wife and your weekly golf game with the fellas. The whole braying-to-the-moon, born-again Promise Keeper act perfected by the Bushes and Huckabees of the world is as alien to his sensibility as an Iron John man-poetry retreat. Sitting here in the North Phoenix Baptist pews, he has a look on his face like he'd just as well suck a cock as do an altar call. It's one of his most likable qualities.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Seeing as this is Spurstalk, and more to the point the Spurstalk Political forum, I think people are taking it quite easy on you. I've seen a lot worst criticism for statements much less controversial. I think thats a testament to how much people here realize you're a very nice, polite person. IMO if it were any other person, I think this thread would have been nothing but insults.

Which I really don't understand.

A stupid, irrational comment with no basis is the same no matter who makes it.

Kid gloves is what kills this place, IMO.

[Bartleby]

I believe until Saddleback, McCain had never said he was born-again. He wasn't pro-choice until he needed to pander to the far right. I willing to bet that McCain couldn't even quote you any verses out the bible, much less comment on the validity of a specific one in Roman's.

And this is the same McCain who criticized Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson in 2000 for "the evil influence that they exercise over the Republican Party."

[angel_luv]

yet you keep ignoring everyone else who posted that it's a fact that Obama is a proven christian.

In what ways has it been proven? I sincerely do want to know.



That quote I posted, Senator Obama's own words from his own book " Audacity of Hope" is all I have to go by concerning the Senator's opinion about the Bible.


Again, if you have actual Obama quotes FROM Senator Obama about his faith, please post them. I would like to read them.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

They're still there, just couched in more polite terms.

I think that's the most you can expect in here. A little camouflage on your insults is just about the highest form of flattery :lol

[hater]

Seeing as this is Spurstalk, and more to the point the Spurstalk Political forum, I think people are taking it quite easy on you. I've seen a lot worst criticism for statements much less controversial. I think thats a testament to how much people here realize you're a very nice, polite person. IMO if it were any other person, I think this thread would have been nothing but insults.

I think most ppl here are speechless. I myself never encountered a living human being with such beliefs ever in my life. I know they exist, but luckily never encountered one until now.

truly bizarre, I really don't know how to respond... that is why I respond with curiosity

[Shastafarian]

In what ways has it been proven? I sincerely do want to know.



That quote I posted, Senator Obama's own words from his own book " Audacity of Hope" is all I have to go by concerning the Senator's opinion about the Bible.


Again, if you have actual Obama quotes FROM Senator Obama about his faith, please post them. I would like to read them.

Wait so because he doesn't take the bible literally, he's not christian?

[ElNono]

I think most ppl here are speechless. I myself never encountered a living human being with such beliefs ever in my life. I know they exist, but luckily never encountered one until now.

truly bizarre, I really don't know how to respond... that is why I respond with curiosity

+1

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Which I really don't understand.

A stupid, irrational comment with no basis is the same no matter who makes it.

Kid gloves is what kills this place, IMO.

Kid gloves?? :lol Are you joking? Who the hell uses kid gloves in here? I'm talking about well deserved mutual respect. Angel never (at least not that I have ever seen) disrespects anyone, so a little restraint when criticizing her, especially in this forum, says a lot about how people feel about politeness.

[hater]

In what ways has it been proven? I sincerely do want to know.



That quote I posted, Senator Obama's own words from his own book " Audacity of Hope" is all I have to go by concerning the Senator's opinion about the Bible.


Again, if you have actual Obama quotes FROM Senator Obama about his faith, please post them. I would like to read them.

well, he's been going to church and praying weekly for the last decade or so. he's been photographed, filmed in church. and even his prayers were published all over.

is that not proof enough?

[BacktoBasics]

I think most ppl here are speechless. I myself never encountered a living human being with such beliefs ever in my life. I know they exist, but luckily never encountered one until now.

truly bizarre, I really don't know how to respond... that is why I respond with curiosity
You can't respond. If the bible says 2+2 = 5 and you flat out prove it wrong and in fact 2+2 = 4 Angel Luv would still believe its 5 no matter what proof exists. This is how these people live with their shortcomings.

[angel_luv]

I believe until Saddleback, McCain had never said he was born-again. He wasn't pro-choice until he needed to pander to the far right. I willing to bet that McCain couldn't even quote you any verses out the bible, much less comment on the validity of a specific one in Roman's.

No offense, but I just don't think you're that informed about what's going on with the candidates. Take that how you will, sorry if it sounds mean. Just my opinion

I don't have the dates when these comments were made, so you could be correct about it being recent only.

But...


Speaking to TIME about his experience in captivity as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, McCain said that prayer played an important role in sustaining him: "Those of us who gained our spiritual help and strength through God seemed to do better physically than those who basically gave up."

About his prayer life, McCain went on to say, "I pray regularly, and I don't have to be getting ready for bed, or be getting up in the morning. I seize opportunities throughout the day."

McCain also said his faith has helped him move past failure: "I haven't always succeeded; I've failed many times. But because the foundation of ... my belief is redemption, I've been able to receive additional comfort, strength and the desire to move forward again."

McCain told Beliefnet, "I've sort of evolved in my religious faith. And I think probably because of my failings and mistakes in life I'm a much bigger believer in redemption. I really believe that redemption is a very important part of our religion. I'm much more of a believer in a loving God, a personal God. I'm much less inclined in every way to believe in a vengeful God."

[DarkReign]

You guys can't win an arguement with someone who is incapable of thinking rationally. You can't open up new doors and new ways for them to see the things around them. They're brainwashed and nothing can change that. They're the epitome of the very evil they feel they're fighting.

Defined indoctrination quite well.

[Bartleby]

I don't have the dates when these comments were made, so you could be correct about it being recent only.

But...

He could be lying. In fact, how do we know he is really a Christian? Has McCain accepted the Lord Jesus as his savior?

[CuckingFunt]

Which I really don't understand.

A stupid, irrational comment with no basis is the same no matter who makes it.

Kid gloves is what kills this place, IMO.

I'm not pulling punches, I'm just stunned.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I'm not pulling punches, I'm just stunned.

I wasn't really talking about this specific thread, just in general.

[angel_luv]

well, he's been going to church and praying weekly for the last decade or so. he's been photographed, filmed in church. and even his prayers were published all over.

is that not proof enough?

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

I want to know from Senator Obama who he says Jesus Christ is.

I have in the past months written his campain and asked only to receive form letters back.
I doubt anyone actually had the time/ took the time to read my letter, so I am not implying my question is being ducked.

In a perfect world, I would have the opportunity to speak to both Senator Obama and McCain and ask them who they believe Jesus is and how that is going to affect the way they run this country.
Then I would be able to vote from absolute knowledge instead of with some speculation.

[DarkReign]

Which I really don't understand.

A stupid, irrational comment with no basis is the same no matter who makes it.

Kid gloves is what kills this place, IMO.

You really think there are kid gloves in the political forum?

Ask Wild Cobra, boutons, NBADan, whottt, clandestino, HookDem, Yonivore, Shasta, Findog, MadHatter, Viva, Chump, etc if they feel the same.

As you know, theyre all partisan, so they inevitably engage in the most bitter hatefests. The more moderate of the board generally get along with everyone, this much is true.

....great, now I de-railing ym own thread too...

[FromWayDowntown]

I'd agree with the "I'm not sure what to say" side of this discussion. I've rarely read anything that struck me as so irrational as to leave me virtually speechless. I'm all for individuals believing as they wish and B2B is absolutely right that no amount of logical (or even factual) reasoning with Angel is going to change her mind. The process by which she reached the concerns stated in this thread is troubling to me -- particularly as a Christian -- but, again, it is her reasoning, no matter how poor it might seem to me.

The discussions in this forum aren't always rich in thought and frequently devolve into pettiness and name-calling. This thread would seem ripe to have started with the former and ended with the latter. But I think sometimes there can be something that is so stunningly bizarre that it almost bridges the partisan divide and quiets the usual rancor of this forum. This thread seems to be that.

[angel_luv]

He could be lying. In fact, how do we know he is really a Christian? Has McCain accepted the Lord Jesus as his savior?

I don't know, which is why I wish I had someone other than him or Senator Obama to vote for.

I believe if someone is a Christian, running for office or no, they should stand up and declare it in a way that there is no doubt.

[Shastafarian]

You really think there are kid gloves in the political forum?

Ask Wild Cobra, boutons, NBADan, whottt, clandestino, HookDem, Yonivore, Shasta, Findog, MadHatter, Viva, Chump, etc if they feel the same.

As you know, theyre all partisan, so they inevitably engage in the most bitter hatefests. The more moderate of the board generally get along with everyone, this much is true.

....great, now I de-railing ym own thread too...

Hey now. I'm a moderate. I just like stoking the fire :lol

[Bartleby]

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

I want to know from Senator Obama who he says Jesus Christ is.

I have in the past months written his campain and asked only to receive form letters back.
I doubt anyone actually had the time/ took the time to read my letter, so I am not implying my question is being ducked.

In a perfect world, I would have the opportunity to speak to both Senator Obama and McCain and ask them who they believe Jesus is and how that is going to affect the way they run this country.
Then I would be able to vote from absolute knowledge instead of with some speculation.

It seems you are giving McCain the benefit of the doubt, but not Obama.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

You really think there are kid gloves in the political forum?

Ask Wild Cobra, boutons, NBADan, whottt, clandestino, HookDem, Yonivore, Shasta, Findog, MadHatter, Viva, Chump, etc if they feel the same.

As you know, theyre all partisan, so they inevitably engage in the most bitter hatefests. The more moderate of the board generally get along with everyone, this much is true.

....great, now I de-railing ym own thread too...

Can I blame it on recycling?

[Shastafarian]

I don't know, which is why I wish I had someone other than him or Senator Obama to vote for.

I believe if someone is a Christian, running for office or no, they should stand up and declare it in a way that there is no doubt.

Should any non-christian ever be president?

[hater]

I don't know, which is why I wish I had someone other than him or Senator Obama to vote for.

I believe if someone is a Christian, running for office or no, they should stand up and declare it in a way that there is no doubt.

so in your opinion, Mcain could "possibly" be the antichrist too?

[DarkReign]

The discussions in this forum aren't always rich in thought and frequently devolve into pettiness and name-calling. This thread would seem ripe to have started with the former and ended with the latter. But I think sometimes there can be something that is so stunningly bizarre that it almost bridges the partisan divide and quiets the usual rancor of this forum. This thread seems to be that.


I started this thread so.......yeah, fuck you too.







j/k

[romad_20]

I don't have the dates when these comments were made, so you could be correct about it being recent only.

But...

I don't see a quote about accepting Jesus.

Which is more appalling to you? Someone using religion to gain political capitol with a base or someone who is sincere in their beliefs but doesn't think they should be forced on the general population just because that is what they believe?

One thing I give Obama credit for is that he doesn't use his religious beliefs in his politics. Although he has stated on many occasions his beliefs, I've never heard him say he's consulted Jesus about a policy decision (cough, cough Bush). He understands that everyone doesn't believe the same. I have nothing but the utmost respect for people like this. McCain has never been a very outwardly religious person (I give him credit for trying to keep church and state separate) either but his campaign has used religion to divide people in this election and influence the blindly faithful.

[DarkReign]

Can I blame it on recycling?

You could blame it on anything you like, especially that one of us in this thread might just be the antiChrist.

[BacktoBasics]

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

I want to know from Senator Obama who he says Jesus Christ is.

I have in the past months written his campain and asked only to receive form letters back.
I doubt anyone actually had the time/ took the time to read my letter, so I am not implying my question is being ducked.

In a perfect world, I would have the opportunity to speak to both Senator Obama and McCain and ask them who they believe Jesus is and how that is going to affect the way they run this country.
Then I would be able to vote from absolute knowledge instead of with some speculation.


What does Jesus have to do with balancing a check book and creating programs that improve our Country?

This country needs someone who can do a job not worship about it. God dammit don't you fucking see that they're are more important things at hand than a god popularity contest.

Why do you people always feel that no good can be done by people who don't see things exactly the way you do.

Its fucking sick. God dammit to hell you people are so fucking stupid and ignorant.

[BacktoBasics]

I'd agree with the "I'm not sure what to say" side of this discussion. I've rarely read anything that struck me as so irrational as to leave me virtually speechless. I'm all for individuals believing as they wish and B2B is absolutely right that no amount of logical (or even factual) reasoning with Angel is going to change her mind. The process by which she reached the concerns stated in this thread is troubling to me -- particularly as a Christian -- but, again, it is her reasoning, no matter how poor it might seem to me.

The discussions in this forum aren't always rich in thought and frequently devolve into pettiness and name-calling. This thread would seem ripe to have started with the former and ended with the latter. But I think sometimes there can be something that is so stunningly bizarre that it almost bridges the partisan divide and quiets the usual rancor of this forum. This thread seems to be that.Working on this

[Shastafarian]

What does Jesus have to do with balancing a check book and creating programs that improve our Country?

This country needs someone who can do a job not worship about it. God dammit don't you fucking see that they're are more important things at hand than a god popularity contest.

Why do you people always feel that no good can be done by people who don't see things exactly the way you do.

Its fucking sick. God dammit to hell you people are so fucking stupid and ignorant.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/diarmuidosullivan/R7Bt1FF8u3I/AAAAAAAAAp4/VabRiBuFN4s/what-grinds-my-gears.jpg

You know what really grinds my gear?

[FromWayDowntown]

I started this thread so.......yeah, fuck you too.

j/k

:lol

Yeah, I deserve that. I should have said "from the point it got hijacked . . . . "

[ElNono]

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

I want to know from Senator Obama who he says Jesus Christ is.

I have in the past months written his campain and asked only to receive form letters back.
I doubt anyone actually had the time/ took the time to read my letter, so I am not implying my question is being ducked.

In a perfect world, I would have the opportunity to speak to both Senator Obama and McCain and ask them who they believe Jesus is and how that is going to affect the way they run this country.
Then I would be able to vote from absolute knowledge instead of with some speculation.

So you just vote on religion alone?

[romad_20]

What does Jesus have to do with balancing a check book and creating programs that improve our Country?

This country needs someone who can do a job not worship about it. God dammit don't you fucking see that they're are more important things at hand than a god popularity contest.

Why do you people always feel that no good can be done by people who don't see things exactly the way you do.

Its fucking sick. God dammit to hell you people are so fucking stupid and ignorant.


Now we're talking! :lol

[DarkReign]

What does Jesus have to do with balancing a check book and creating programs that improve our Country?

This country needs someone who can do a job not worship about it. God dammit don't you fucking see that they're are more important things at hand than a god popularity contest.

Why do you people always feel that no good can be done by people who don't see things exactly the way you do?

Its fucking sick. God dammit to hell you people are so fucking stupid and ignorant.

Here is a one sentence answer of the tolerance and love all Christians share for their fellow man of all race and creed....

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Interpretation: Youre with us or youre going somewhere other than Heaven when you die. No excpetions, period.

Hows that for tolerance and understanding?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

You could blame it on anything you like, especially that one of us in this thread might just be the antiChrist.

Can you be the anti-christ and not know it? When do you know? HS graduation? When you see the guidance counselor in HS? Post mortem?

Keanu Reeves didn't know until the end of The Devil's Advocate. Or was that just a dream?

It's all just so confusing.

[SpursWoman]

I think I might now have to vote for Obama just on general principal. It's like the light is on, but .... ya know?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

What does Jesus have to do with balancing a check book and creating programs that improve our Country?

This country needs someone who can do a job not worship about it. God dammit don't you fucking see that they're are more important things at hand than a god popularity contest.

Why do you people always feel that no good can be done by people who don't see things exactly the way you do.

Its fucking sick. God dammit to hell you people are so fucking stupid and ignorant.

had to get here sometime :lol

[ElNono]

I gotta hand it to Kori. Threads like this are ONLY available on Spurstalk.

[Shastafarian]

I gotta hand it to Kori. Threads like this are ONLY available on Spurstalk.

At least half of us would've been banned at spursreport. And the thread would be "missing".

[Shastafarian]

For angel_luv


However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

[DarkReign]

:lol

Yeah, I deserve that. I should have said "from the point it got hijacked . . . . "


Ha...I knew what you meant....I think. :toast

[angel_luv]

It seems you are giving McCain the benefit of the doubt, but not Obama.

I can only vote for one of them. I have to take a risk on someone.
By electing someone president I am putting a lot of power in someone's hands.

Am I convinced Senator McCain will be a great steward of the power?
Unfortunately, no.
However I feel that while it is likely that Senator Obama will misuse the power given him, it is possible that Senator McCain will be a decent ( again, decent, not great) president.

This election for me is about damage control. I think Senator McCain will do this country less harm than Senator Obama would.

[CuckingFunt]

Can you be the anti-christ and not know it? When do you know? HS graduation? When you see the guidance counselor in HS? Post mortem?

I feel sorry for the kid who thinks he's the anti-Christ, but finds out he isn't.

That kind of let down has got to suck pretty hard.

[Extra Stout]

I don't see why angel_luv should be worried about Obama being the Anti-Christ. If he is, then as soon as he hits 270 electoral votes *POOF* she disappears right off her couch anyway.

[ElNono]

I can only vote for one of them. I have to take a risk on someone.
By electing someone president I am putting a lot of power in someone's hands.

Am I convinced Senator McCain will be a great steward of the power?
Unfortunately, no.
However I feel that while it is likely that Senator Obama will misuse the power given him, it is possible that Senator McCain will be a decent ( again, decent, not great) president.

This election for me is about damage control. I think Senator McCain will do this country less harm than Senator Obama would.

Can you elaborate as to what damage Obama would do? I mean, specific issues you have researched about his platform.

[Shastafarian]

I'm really curious whether she thinks anyone who isn't Christian should ever be President.

[DarkReign]

Can you be the anti-christ and not know it? When do you know? HS graduation? When you see the guidance counselor in HS? Post mortem?

No silly, by the Angel_Luv Religious Dedication Litmus Test of course, how else?


It's all just so confusing.

That it is, my friends, that it is.

[FromWayDowntown]

However I feel that while it is likely that Senator Obama will misuse the power given him, it is possible that Senator McCain will be a decent ( again, decent, not great) president.

This election for me is about damage control. I think Senator McCain will do this country less harm than Senator Obama would.

I'm going to violate my own statement.

It is "likely that Senator Obama will misuse the power given him" because he doesn't subscribe to a literal translation of the Bible??? I'm not sure I understand that assumption, given that George W. Bush (who seemingly holds religious beliefs more akin to Angel's than either Obama or McCain) has undoubtedly misused the power given him. Shouldn't the assumption here be just the opposite?

[nkdlunch]

thank you angel luv for opening my eyes a little bit.

Your thinking and rationale helps me understand a little better how events like the Inquisition and the Holocaust come to happen.

[DarkReign]

I can only vote for one of them. I have to take a risk on someone.
By electing someone president I am putting a lot of power in someone's hands.

Am I convinced Senator McCain will be a great steward of the power?
Unfortunately, no.
However I feel that while it is likely that Senator Obama will misuse the power given him, it is possible that Senator McCain will be a decent ( again, decent, not great) president.

This election for me is about damage control. I think Senator McCain will do this country less harm than Senator Obama would.

See, now that response would have been far better for the health of my fucking thread had you said that instead of this antiChrist nonsense.

[angel_luv]

Should any non-christian ever be president?

Non-Christians have been President and I for one think that our country and the world has suffered as a result.

As a Christian I pray for bosses bosses and for presidents that are Bible believing, spirit filled Christians.

I want anyone who is making decisions that affect me and my family to be walking under submission to Jesus, because that is when the greatest blessings come down.

[ElNono]

I want anyone who is making decisions that affect me and my family to be walking under submission to Jesus, because that is when the greatest blessings come down.

:wow

[Shastafarian]

Non-Christians have been President and I for one think that our country and the world has suffered as a result.

As a Christian I pray for bosses bosses and for presidents that are Bible believing, spirit filled Christians.

I want anyone who is making decisions that affect me and my family to be walking under submission to Jesus, because that is when the greatest blessings come down.

And I'm spent.

[2centsworth]

Here is a one sentence answer of the tolerance and love all Christians share for their fellow man of all race and creed....

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Interpretation: Youre with us or youre going somewhere other than Heaven when you die. No excpetions, period.

Hows that for tolerance and understanding?

it's the most tolerant and loving thing in the world once you understand what it means.

There's no "with us" implied in that statement at all. Salvation entails the folloiwng: admit that you're sinner and deserve punishment, accept Jesus'
crucifixion as payment for your punishment, and then grow in faith.

there's absolutely no way to earn your way in to heaven, because we all fall short of the glory of God. We're all the same in God's eyes.

[DarkReign]

I'm going to violate my own statement.

It is "likely that Senator Obama will misuse the power given him" because he doesn't subscribe to a literal translation of the Bible??? I'm not sure I understand that assumption, given that George W. Bush (who seemingly holds religious beliefs more akin to Angel's than either Obama or McCain) has undoubtedly misused the power given him. Shouldn't the assumption here be just the opposite?

Whoa whoa whoa....back that logic bus up, sir. We have no room for that sort of stuff here.

[CuckingFunt]

Non-Christians have been President and I for one think that our country and the world has suffered as a result.

As a Christian I pray for bosses bosses and for presidents that are Bible believing, spirit filled Christians.

I want anyone who is making decisions that affect me and my family to be walking under submission to Jesus, because that is when the greatest blessings come down.

This thread makes me want to crawl in bed and put the covers over my head.

[Extra Stout]

http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/beacon/fall06images/22-jefferson-bible/jefferson.jpg

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

I feel sorry for the kid who thinks he's the anti-Christ, but finds out he isn't.

That kind of let down has got to suck pretty hard.

Wouldn't it?

You've been primed to unleash death and destruction upon the world only to find out you're going to be a CPA in a shitty marriage.

Kind of like getting an apple/small change in your pillow case on Halloween.

[CuckingFunt]

There's no "with us" implied in that statement at all.

Anything that suggests a "not them" automatically implies a "with us."

[angel_luv]

so in your opinion, Mcain could "possibly" be the antichrist too?

I would be surprised if he were... he is not well spoken nor greatly popular.

Again, it is possible that neither man is the anti christ.

My thinking Senator Obama could be the anti christ is similar to someone looking at a tall person and wondering if they play basketball.

Senator Obama fits SOME of the description, enough, in fact, to make me wonder, but that doesn't settle the fact that he is.

I only brought it up because I was asked.

As I have said repeatedly... only time will tell.

[nkdlunch]

Non-Christians have been President and I for one think that our country and the world has suffered as a result.

As a Christian I pray for bosses bosses and for presidents that are Bible believing, spirit filled Christians.

I want anyone who is making decisions that affect me and my family to be walking under submission to Jesus, because that is when the greatest blessings come down.

so all the bad decisions taken in this country were taken by non-christians?

holy molly :wow:wow

[romad_20]

I want anyone who is making decisions that affect me and my family to be walking under submission to Jesus, because that is when the greatest blessings come down.

Scary. :wow

How do you think non-christians feel about this? Are their beliefs not as important? Is this the home of the free or the home of the free (as long as you're a born-again, fundamental christian)

[DarkReign]

it's the most tolerant and loving thing in the world once you understand what it means.

There's no "with us" implied in that statement at all. Salvation entails the folloiwng: admit that you're sinner and deserve punishment, accept Jesus'
crucifixion as payment for your punishment, and then grow in faith.

there's absolutely no way to earn your way in to heaven, because we all fall short of the glory of God. We're all the same in God's eyes.

I was going to phrase this into a question, but decided not to because it isnt worth it.

There is no interpretation needed on such a simple sentence as...

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

...as spoken by Jesus himself. You cannot pick and choose which way you want it, Christian. The Bible is an 800+ page metaphor or its very, very real.

If its real, no interpretation is needed or required. None. The words mean exactly as they say. The only way to salvation/heaven is thru Jesus. There is no other way. PERIOD.

If its a metaphor, then I'll accept your answer.

[BacktoBasics]

Non-Christians have been President and I for one think that our country and the world has suffered as a result.

As a Christian I pray for bosses bosses and for presidents that are Bible believing, spirit filled Christians.

I want anyone who is making decisions that affect me and my family to be walking under submission to Jesus, because that is when the greatest blessings come down.You are fucking sick in the head and need help. Test need to be done because you're fucking irrational and psychotic. Even a fucking Christian doctor would lock you up in a padded christian cell for observation. Its beyond me how someone can walk this earth and feel that only people who worship an imaginary figure are capable of making sound decisions. How fucking sick are you to think that this world has suffered more by non christian leadership when one of your fucking own is sending men and women to their deaths for his own personal agenda. Get help and get it now before you have kids.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

See, now that response would have been far better for the health of my fucking thread had you said that instead of this antiChrist nonsense.


You're not one of those "Obama is the anti-Christ" people, are you?

[CuckingFunt]

My thinking Senator Obama could be the anti christ is similar to someone looking at a tall person and wondering if they play basketball.

No.

No it's not.

Your thinking Obama could be the anti-Christ is more like looking at someone with a Super Mario Bros. t-shirt and wondering if they're going to anally and vaginally rape you, simultaneously, with your own amputated limbs.

[ElNono]

You are fucking sick in the head and need help. Test need to be done because you're fucking irrational and psychotic. Even a fucking Christian doctor would lock you up in a padded christian cell for observation. Its beyond me how someone can walk this earth and feel that only people who worship an imaginary figure are capable of making sound decisions. How fucking sick are you to think that this world has suffered more by non christian leadership when one of your fucking own is sending men and women to their deaths for his own personal agenda. Get help and get it now before you have kids.

Now, now... let's not be irrational here... :lmao

[angel_luv]

So you just vote on religion alone?

My primary concern is electing someone who loves, listens to, and obeys Jesus because when you seek Jesus first, all things are added to you.
( Matthew 6:33)

[BacktoBasics]

I would be surprised if he were... he is not well spoken nor greatly popular.

Again, it is possible that neither man is the anti christ.

My thinking Senator Obama could be the anti christ is similar to someone looking at a tall person and wondering if they play basketball.

Senator Obama fits SOME of the description, enough, in fact, to make me wonder, but that doesn't settle the fact that he is.

I only brought it up because I was asked.

As I have said repeatedly... only time will tell.But yet still you refuse to accept anything other than your own self stupidity. Absolutely fucking amazing at how dumb you are....so dumb that you even point out how unfounded and stupid you are but yet you refuse to change.

This my friends is a perfect example of someone with a serious brain disorder. Like alcoholics or drug addicts that know they shouldn't do drugs, might not even want to do drugs, but are totally incapable of seeking treatment.

[angel_luv]

I don't see why angel_luv should be worried about Obama being the Anti-Christ. If he is, then as soon as he hits 270 electoral votes *POOF* she disappears right off her couch anyway.

I'm not worried about it concerning myself. I know in Whom I believe and where I am going.

But I do care what happens those of you who are not Raptured.

"Poof-ed" as you called it. :)

[2centsworth]

Anything that suggests a "not them" automatically implies a "with us."

please clarify. There's absolutely zero difference between any of us. Going to church and trying to act "Godly" doesn't make you any different than anyone else biblically speaking. As far as heaven and the verses DR alluded to, the way to understand that is that we all deserve punishment because for all have sinned and will continue to sin. Jesus is the only payment for that sin.

[DarkReign]

I would be surprised if he were... he is not well spoken nor greatly popular.

Again, it is possible that neither man is the anti christ.

My thinking Senator Obama could be the anti christ is similar to someone looking at a tall person and wondering if they play basketball.

Senator Obama fits SOME of the description, enough, in fact, to make me wonder, but that doesn't settle the fact that he is.

I only brought it up because I was asked.

As I have said repeatedly... only time will tell.

By your definition, Teddy Roosevelt was the antiChrist.


"Roosevelt was a great personality, a great activist, a great preacher of the moralities, a great controversialist, a great showman. He dominated his era as he dominated conversations....the masses loved him; he proved to be a great popular idol and a great vote getter."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt

So fear not, the antiChrist already came and went before you were born.

[BacktoBasics]

My primary concern is electing someone who loves, listens to, and obeys Jesus because when you seek Jesus first, all things are added to you.
( Matthew 6:33)
Disgusting. You shouldn't be allowed to vote. Not now not ever.

[hater]

My primary concern is electing someone who loves, listens to, and obeys Jesus because when you seek Jesus first, all things are added to you.
( Matthew 6:33)

so you would have voted for Hitler huh?

[ElNono]

IMy thinking Senator Obama could be the anti christ is similar to someone looking at a tall person and wondering if they play basketball.


Actually it's more like you been eating magic mushrooms and wondering if those dinosaurs are real...

[romad_20]

http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/beacon/fall06images/22-jefferson-bible/jefferson.jpg

This guy totally fucked things up :lol

TJ: "You know I loves the mochachino!"

[boutons_]

dubya was "sold" in 2000 as born-again, pro-life guy.

He's now got the wasted blood of 100s of 1000s on his hands. Praise The Lord.

There's a special place in .... for dubya.

[ElNono]

My primary concern is electing someone who loves, listens to, and obeys Jesus because when you seek Jesus first, all things are added to you.
( Matthew 6:33)

So that would be a yes.

[DarkReign]

@ Viva

Yes, I get it. She wasnt the first to mention it, totally agree.

But you know what Im saying.

[2centsworth]

I was going to phrase this into a question, but decided not to because it isnt worth it.

There is no interpretation needed on such a simple sentence as...

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

...as spoken by Jesus himself. You cannot pick and choose which way you want it, Christian. The Bible is an 800+ page metaphor or its very, very real.

If its real, no interpretation is needed or required. None. The words mean exactly as they say. The only way to salvation/heaven is thru Jesus. There is no other way. PERIOD.

If its a metaphor, then I'll accept your answer.

the bible tells you in a literal sense what "through me" means.

[CuckingFunt]

please clarify. There's absolutely zero difference between any of us. Going to church and trying to act "Godly" doesn't make you any different than anyone else biblically speaking. As far as heaven and the verses DR alluded to, the way to understand that is that we all deserve punishment because for all have sinned and will continue to sin. Jesus is the only payment for that sin.

It's not brain science.

If Jesus is the only payment for that sin, then the millions of people on this planet who follow non-Christian religions are just fucked in the afterlife. "They" don't get into heaven, "we" do.

[Shelly]

Just when you think you've heard everything...

[DarkReign]

Jesus is the only payment for that sin.

Bingo. With us or against us. No in between.

Jesus either died for your sins and you ackowledge this fact, or when you die youre somewhere other than heaven. (quick question, did I use "than" right there?)

[2centsworth]

so you would have voted for Hitler huh?

If you're insinuating Hiltler was a Christian then you need to spend less time on liberal blogs and more time in real history books.

[hater]

my mom is the most devout christian I ever met. She always tries to feed me bible verses and spends 90% of her time devoting her time to Jesus and the Bible.

And even her would pat Angel Luv on the head and ask her "have you taken your medication yet honey?"

[ElNono]

Is this some crackpot stuff or what? I mean, is this really the 21st Century?

[Bartleby]

It's not brain science.

If Jesus is the only payment for that sin, then the millions of people on this planet who follow non-Christian religions are just fucked in the afterlife.

As were all the people who died before Jesus did.

[Shelly]

I remember Bobcat Goldwaith declaring Scott Baio the anti-christ back in the 80s. Can there be more than one?

[cheguevara]

my mom is the most devout christian I ever met. She always tries to feed me bible verses and spends 90% of her time devoting her time to Jesus and the Bible.

And even her would pat Angel Luv on the head and ask her "have you taken your medication yet honey?"

:lmao

[Extra Stout]

If its real, no interpretation is needed or required. None. The words mean exactly as they say. The only way to salvation/heaven is thru Jesus. There is no other way. PERIOD.

Christianity does indeed make that exclusive claim. It does not necessarily follow that Christians therefore believe that they are superior to unbelievers. Doctrinally that assertion would be false. If a Christian really understands the Gospel, he should be the humblest person on Earth.

In reality, there are a lot of supposed Christians who play the holier-than-thou game.

On the other hand, I sometimes struggle to understand why people who recoil from the God of the Bible nevertheless take offense at the idea that they might have to stay away from him for eternity. Wouldn't that be your preference?

[2centsworth]

Bingo.

you still don't get it. Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice for our sins. Accepting that sacrifice is the only acceptable punishment for our sins.

It's the most tolerant and loving sacrifice ever. That means we don't have to win good favor and salvation is available to everyone.

[angel_luv]

I don't have all the answers. I may not even have most of them.

All I can tell you is that Jesus is the Savior of the world- the only one that has existed and the only one that will ever exist.

Futhermore, if you really want real and lasting positive change in your lives, this country, and in the world, you all need to look to Jesus- not to President Bush, not to Senator McCain, and not Senator Obama, Oprah, or Dr. Phil.

Anyone who claims that they can fix your life for you is a liar. The best any man can do is lead his fellowmen to Jesus- the ONE and ONLY Answer.

I tell you all this not to judge any of you but because I care about what happens to you and I have a responsibility before God to tell you the Truth as it is written in the Bible.

I regret that this conversation ever turned to Senator Obama and the possibility of him being the Anti Christ because what matters most and is ultimately most effective is to exalt the Truth, not wasting time contemplating.

[peewee's lovechild]

In what ways has it been proven? I sincerely do want to know.



That quote I posted, Senator Obama's own words from his own book " Audacity of Hope" is all I have to go by concerning the Senator's opinion about the Bible.


Again, if you have actual Obama quotes FROM Senator Obama about his faith, please post them. I would like to read them.


This is from an article that covered the meeting Obama and McCain had with Pastor Rick Warren:

"In several cases, Obama gave a Christian interpretation to his generally liberal political views. He showed some familiarity with the Scripture, and said Jesus died for his sins."

"Obama said America’s greatest moral failure is its insufficient help to the disadvantaged. He noted that the Bible quotes Jesus as saying “whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me.” He said the maxim should apply to victims of poverty, sexism and racism."

Here's the link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26220920/


Stop with your foolishness.

It's a shame that people like you think this way. I know your church has brainwashed you to believe what you have written. But, that's no excuse for this egregious ignorance.

It's depressing that you would have these views.

[DarrinS]

My invisible god is better than your invisible god. So there.

[CuckingFunt]

On the other hand, I sometimes struggle to understand why people who recoil from the God of the Bible nevertheless take offense at the idea that they might have to stay away from him for eternity. Wouldn't that be your preference?

I'm not bothered by the fact that I'm not getting past the bouncer, but I am bothered by having that fact repeatedly thrown in my face as a threat.

Just as I'm sure many Christians are bothered by being called mindless sheep by pushy atheists.

Divisive rhetoric = bad.

[cheguevara]

I regret that this conversation ever turned to Senator Obama and the possibility of him being the Anti Christ because what matters most and is ultimately most effective is to exalt the Truth, not wasting time contemplating.

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

angel sweetheart, you're a fucking nutjob

[FromWayDowntown]

I think Rasho Nesterovic might actually be the anti-Christ. I'm sure he's well-spoken in Slovenian; he's tall and handsome; there are thousands of people who come to watch him everytime he performs. Until it's proven otherwise, I'm fundamentally convinced that Rasho Nesterovic is simply waiting to reveal his real self.

http://re3.yt-thm-a02.yimg.com/image/25/m2/2109952132

[romad_20]

I think Rasho Nesterovic might actually be the anti-Christ. I'm sure he's well-spoken in Slovenian; he's tall and handsome; there are thousands of people who come to watch him everytime he performs. Until it's proven otherwise, I'm fundamentally convinced that Rasho Nesterovic is simply waiting to reveal his real self.

http://re3.yt-thm-a02.yimg.com/image/25/m2/2109952132


Why hasn't he cleared up if he's not the anti-christ yet? Hmmmm?

[angel_luv]

This is from an article that covered the meeting Obama and McCain had with Pastor Rick Warren:

"In several cases, Obama gave a Christian interpretation to his generally liberal political views. He showed some familiarity with the Scripture, and said Jesus died for his sins."

"Obama said America’s greatest moral failure is its insufficient help to the disadvantaged. He noted that the Bible quotes Jesus as saying “whatever you do for the least of my brothers, you do for me.” He said the maxim should apply to victims of poverty, sexism and racism."

Here's the link:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26220920/




I appreciate the link. Thank you. :)

[2centsworth]

It's not brain science.

If Jesus is the only payment for that sin, then the millions of people on this planet who follow non-Christian religions are just fucked in the afterlife. "They" don't get into heaven, "we" do.

how do you suppose to pay for sin? I believe it's only through accepting the payment that has already been made on our behalf.

If you think that divides us up into teams sobeit, but I don't see it that way. Who am I to judge another?

[peewee's lovechild]

I can only vote for one of them. I have to take a risk on someone.
By electing someone president I am putting a lot of power in someone's hands.

Am I convinced Senator McCain will be a great steward of the power?
Unfortunately, no.
However I feel that while it is likely that Senator Obama will misuse the power given him, it is possible that Senator McCain will be a decent ( again, decent, not great) president.

This election for me is about damage control. I think Senator McCain will do this country less harm than Senator Obama would.

How is McCain decent?

Explain that.

He left his wife for a better looking piece of ass. He supports propagating a war that was based on lies. A war that gets thousands of people killed.

Killed, Angel.

How would Jesus feel about people getting killed. Was Jesus a war monger?

Was he?

How the hell do you come up with McCain being decent?

[angel_luv]

I think Rasho Nesterovic might actually be the anti-Christ. I'm sure he's well-spoken in Slovenian; he's tall and handsome; there are thousands of people who come to watch him everytime he performs. Until it's proven otherwise, I'm fundamentally convinced that Rasho Nesterovic is simply waiting to reveal his real self.

http://re3.yt-thm-a02.yimg.com/image/25/m2/2109952132

:lol It was almost worth this thread to get you to admit that Rasho is handsome.

[peewee's lovechild]

Non-Christians have been President and I for one think that our country and the world has suffered as a result.

You're talking out of your ass.

You don't know jack shit about this country's history.

[2centsworth]

I'm not bothered by the fact that I'm not getting past the bouncer, but I am bothered by having that fact repeatedly thrown in my face as a threat.

no one should be threatening you. however, I do think you're gambling, but I'll leave it at that. I would still buy you a beer and never bring up the topic again, unless you brought it up first of course.



Just as I'm sure many Christians are bothered by being called mindless sheep by pushy atheists.

Divisive rhetoric = bad.:toast

[Shastafarian]

You're talking out of your ass.

You don't know jack shit about this country's history.

I think she's thinking in her terms and what she defines as Christianity. At least I hope that's what she meant.

[Extra Stout]

I'm not bothered by the fact that I'm not getting past the bouncer, but I am bothered by having that fact repeatedly thrown in my face as a threat.

Just as I'm sure many Christians are bothered by being called mindless sheep by pushy atheists.

Divisive rhetoric = bad.
Well, according to the Bible, the hate-filled person who thinks he can judge your eternal destiny gets the "talk to the hand" treatment himself from the IC/XC.

On the other hand, I get a LOT more of the "Admit I'm going to hell! Admit I'm going to hell, you mindless sheep!" treatment than the "As long as you aren't throwing it in my face, whatever" treatment. When the former say it themselves, what's left to admit?

[peewee's lovechild]

Jesus is the only payment for that sin.

So, for the billions of people that have lived and die, and continue to do so, without accepting this jesus character . . . they're fucked?

What kind of sadistic god is this thing you worship?

The problem with you people is that you want to belong to a "Members Only" club.

Your type of mentality, as well as those of your ilk, is what keeps humanity from progressing.