Gameblog: Preseason Game 6: Spurs vs. Wizards

[benefactor]

Nice by Oberto on the offensive glass.

[T Park]

I love to follow you around

[Fermixalot]

Fab doing the dirty work.

Good hustle.

[T Park]

I think he can do it consistently if he doesn't just fire away and actually takes them in rhythm.

He to me really seems like a good energy player that just needs to ratchet it down JUST a tad. If he does that I think hes gonna suprise some peeps.

[timvp]

Stoudamire is really ailing.

[benefactor]

Juan Dixon>Stoudamire

[Buddy Holly]

TPark tries to be clever. Tries to impress pretend girlfriend.

Yes, I followed you into a Spurs-Wizards game thread. :lol

You're pathetic.

[Ice009]

Are you going to start crying and bitching when he responds with an insult towards you?

I'm not going to reply. I'm not interested in anything he's got to say at all really.

[timvp]

Nick Young is on fire.

[Manufan909]

"The Admiral, who was actually a lieutenant.":lmao

[Buddy Holly]

Nick Young is on fire.

Yep. I haven't followed the Wizards at all but is this the norm for him? Is he that good or is our defense that bad? :lol

[T Park]

"The Admiral, who was actually a lieutenant.":lmao

He was.

[benefactor]

Nick Young is on fire.
Yup...everyone except us seems to have good bench players.

:bang

[Ice009]

hmm interesting game so far. Young kids on the Wizards torching us. Wasn't Nick Young one of the reasons they let Mason go? To open up court time for him?

[T Park]

Yes, I followed you into a Spurs-Wizards game thread. :lol

You're pathetic.


Coming from the plagerist.

Take it somewhere else kid.

[T Park]

Yup...everyone except us seems to have good bench players.

:bang

???

Whats wrong with Hill, Mason, Udoka, and Bonner?

[timvp]

Yep. I haven't followed the Wizards at all but is this the norm for him? Is he that good or is our defense that bad? :lol

He's streaky. Sometimes he can be unstoppable like he is tonight. Othertimes he misses everything.

[byrdman31]

this is embarrassing... even tho its preseason

[Manufan909]

He was.

No shit, can I find something funny, or is you being an ass for the fun of it. I just cracked up at how deadpan the guy was when he said it, shit.
:ihit

[benefactor]

Hairston...nice break..bad finish.

[benefactor]

Was that Farmer for 3?

[Fermixalot]

There you go Farmer. Come on!!

[mystargtr34]

???

Whats wrong with Hill, Mason, Udoka, and Bonner?

Unknown, average, borderline average, and atrocious.

None of them are really 'good' yet.

[Ice009]

Farmer for 3. Give the man some shots.

[Russ]

???

Whats wrong with Hill, Mason, Udoka, and Bonner?

You had me going there till the end part.

[timvp]

Hairston has traveled on that same perimeter move about a dozen times this preseason.

[benefactor]

Vaughn doing the one man show thing again.

[Buddy Holly]

Coming from the plagerist.

Take it somewhere else kid.

Kid? Really.. whatever.

You're the last person who should be bringing up past transactions on the internet. But we all that. :lol

But seeing as how you're lame and your retorts are laughed at in elementary schools across the country, let's get back to the game... huh?

[Fermixalot]

JV tries to bicycle kick his way to the hole?

[byrdman31]

na bonner had a great pass... to the person seating in row 5 seat 15

[timvp]

Tolliver and Vaughn on the court at the same time is extreme hustle time.

[Russ]

Udoka doesn't have what you'd call a "soft touch."

[timvp]

Tolliver at center but more importantly, Pop is once again using Hairston as a small ball four. If Hairston can prove he can play that role kinda like Devin used to do, I think that might be enough to make the team.

[Fermixalot]

You think its possible that maybe some of the borderlines may not pass it to each other if one is doing to well?

Human Nature is to watch out for yourself first, right? I hope not

[HarlemHeat37]

Nick Young is the type of guy that will always kill us..his basketball IQ is still low, but he has great athleticism and physical tools, which is something we have trouble defending..and yes, he was probably the main reason they didn't keep Mason(other than money, of course)..

[T Park]

I like Hairston's rebounding. 5 on the night.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Udoka doesn't have what you'd call a "soft touch."

His inbetween game is almost as non existent as Bowen's.

[benefactor]

Tolliver and Vaughn on the court at the same time is extreme hustle time.
Yeah...despite his shooting you can see that there is a lot of potential there.

[T Park]

TIMVP


Can you see Tolliver as that kind of "spark" player.

Someone that comes in when the team is sluggish and gives em a kick and gets some shots, rebounds, and does what Malik did in a sense?

[Dex]

WTH was that Udoka?

[T Park]

Kid? Really.. whatever.

You're the last person who should be bringing up past transactions on the internet. But we all that. :lol

But seeing as how you're lame and your retorts are laughed at in elementary schools across the country, let's get back to the game... huh?


That doesn't even make sense.

[T Park]

Yeah...despite his shooting you can see that there is a lot of potential there.

I thought his shooting has been getting better.

Maybe its just me.

[mystargtr34]

lol Ime Udoka

[hillscountry]

listening to this game, but not all of it... I was watching a wizard game from europe early in the preseason against the hornets, they were down 40 in the 2nd quarter, there killin us? WTF?

[ElNono]

I like Hairston's rebounding. 5 on the night.

Your infatuation with Hairston is quite evident, no doubt about that.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't have concerns about our bench..we're missing KEY components here..one of the guys, Manu Ginobili, maybe you guys have heard of him..

George Hill is actually going to be huge for us off the bench too..he still needs a lot of work finishing, but he's quick as hell, and should be able to get us going with his penetration and dishing..more importantly, he's gonna be able to generate steals and create breaks, something we've been missing from our 2nd unit..

this just shows what we all knew, which is that our 2nd unit doesn't really have anybody that can consistently create on their own..Mason might be able to once he learns the system and gets comfortable, but that's why Manu is there..he's one of the better playmakers in the NBA, which is exactly what the others need..Tolliver has some potential as well..Ian still has potential..I think we'll be fine..

TD and TP are gonna have to play some big minutes until Manu returns though..Pop can't play them the usual amount..

[Ocotillo]

Tolliver at center but more importantly, Pop is once again using Hairston as a small ball four. If Hairston can prove he can play that role kinda like Devin used to do, I think that might be enough to make the team.

Eh, I thought that was going to be Gist's role.

[timvp]

TIMVP


Can you see Tolliver as that kind of "spark" player.

Someone that comes in when the team is sluggish and gives em a kick and gets some shots, rebounds, and does what Malik did in a sense?It's possible but he'll need to do more defensively. He's pretty passive right now on D. A little more energy on that end and he could have Rose-ish ability.

[T Park]

Your infatuation with Hairston is quite evident, no doubt about that.

It's not an infatuation. I'm just rooting for the kid. Whats so wrong with that?

[Buddy Holly]

That doesn't even make sense.

:lol

I also see you can't just get back to discussing the game. Can you contain yourself now?

[benefactor]

Tolliver looking MUCH more comfortable.

[T Park]

It's possible but he'll need to do more defensively. He's pretty passive right now on D. A little more energy on that end and he could have Rose-ish ability.

Funny, in summer league he was doing just that, showing good effort defensively was he not?

[T Park]

Tolliver looking MUCH more comfortable.

Pop maybe has told him your spots safe so chill.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm rooting for Hairston too..I'll be legitimately upset if he isn't on the roster..I still feel like he can be a key contributor defensively and on the boards, and could also get some cutting offense off our big 3..

[Dex]

Yuck Vaughn in.

Game over.

[timvp]

Eh, I thought that was going to be Gist's role.

I see Gist more as a true power forward or a long three. Hairston is definitely a small forward playing power forward.

[ElNono]

It's not an infatuation. I'm just rooting for the kid. Whats so wrong with that?

Nothing. Even if it was infatuation, I really have no problem with that.

[T Park]

Eh, I thought that was going to be Gist's role.

Next year it will.

But Gist has more of a 4's body than Hairston does.

[mystargtr34]

Tolliver starting to hit

[T Park]

Nothing. Even if it was infatuation, I really have no problem with that.

None at all. I just think he fits a need and would be a great small ball 4, and a good SG that reminds me very much of Bonzi Wells.


Thats all.

[timvp]

Funny, in summer league he was doing just that, showing good effort defensively was he not?

His energy is more in the area of hustling. He needs to hustle in terms of rebounding, going for blocks and making good switches. Diving for loose balls only goes so far.

[benefactor]

It's possible but he'll need to do more defensively. He's pretty passive right now on D. A little more energy on that end and he could have Rose-ish ability.
Agreed. He doesn't man up all that well right now. He is young and with some game experience that can be developed.

[yavozerb]

when do the final cuts need to be done by?

[jayc23]

I am not a Vaughn fan... is there anybody here who is .... Just seems like a mediocre player besides for quickness and hustle...

[T Park]

Yeah the more I watch the more I like Tolliver.

A little more seasoning and I think hes gonna be good to go.

[Buddy Holly]

My one wish, trade Bonner.

[T Park]

I am not a Vaughn fan... is there anybody here who is .... Just seems like a mediocre player besides for quickness and hustle...

We know why your not a Vaughn fan :lol

[T Park]

when do the final cuts need to be done by?

I'd assume sunday or tuesday. No idea. I'm sure tommarow though Watkins and Farmer are gone.

[benefactor]

Pop maybe has told him your spots safe so chill.
Just glad to see the shots falling....

...or is it that I want Bonner on the bench that bad?
:stirpot:

[timvp]

Weird that we haven't seen more of RMJ. Pop keeps talking highly of him but he hasn't been used too much in preseason. I would think he'd get big minutes to get used to the system.

I don't get it.

[mystargtr34]

We know why your not a Vaughn fan :lol

Because hes shit.

[T Park]

Yeah 9 minutes and only 1 rebound from Tolliver is pretty bad.

Dudes gotta hit the boards at least 4 times in those minutes played.

[mystargtr34]

And maybe becuase of his man crush on Hill.

[timvp]

Gotta give props to Hairston for being able to guard Pecherov.

[T Park]

Because hes shit.

:lol

Well you can keep hating him till your face turns blue, Vaughn isn't going anywhere so you guys should just accept it and move on.

[mystargtr34]

Weird that we haven't seen more of RMJ. Pop keeps talking highly of him but he hasn't been used too much in preseason. I would think he'd get big minutes to get used to the system.

I don't get it.

I found that weird too, but then again all 3 guys vying for that last roster spot do play that position predominantly.

[ElNono]

I'm actually a little worried, considering we're just 1 week away from the start of the season. I know it's a long season, but if Pop truly wants to limit TD and TP minutes, like he said he would, then I think scoring will be a big issue.

[Fermixalot]

LOL, Ginobili falling asleep on the sideline.

[T Park]

Weird that we haven't seen more of RMJ. Pop keeps talking highly of him but he hasn't been used too much in preseason. I would think he'd get big minutes to get used to the system.

I don't get it.

Or maybe hes confident he knows the system. Good question though.

[Buddy Holly]

Toll with the nice hustle and put back!

[timvp]

Tolliver gets a standing O from Pop :lol

[T Park]

:lol

Tolliver pads his rebounding stats.

[Russ]

Toll with the nice hussle and put back!

He just made the club.

[Ice009]

Weird that we haven't seen more of RMJ. Pop keeps talking highly of him but he hasn't been used too much in preseason. I would think he'd get big minutes to get used to the system.

I don't get it.

Weird indeed.

[benefactor]

Yeah 9 minutes and only 1 rebound from Tolliver is pretty bad.

Dudes gotta hit the boards at least 4 times in those minutes played.
He seems to be hit and miss in the rebounding dept. during the preseason. Against Indiana he looked really good on the boards...8 with 4 on the offensive end in 20 min.

[T Park]

Tolliver gets a standing O from Pop :lol

I think Pop has a mancrush on Tolliver.

[Fermixalot]

Great hustle by Tolliver, didn't give up on the play. Now if Udoka could finish...

[jayc23]

Seriously.... objectively.. regardless of being friends with Hill... Vaughn doesn't have near the tools of Hill.. even with his experience... I don't see it benefiting him much.

[mystargtr34]

:lol

Well you can keep hating him till your face turns blue, Vaughn isn't going anywhere so you guys should just accept it and move on.

Thats what makes me hate him even more. Seriously though i can see why Pop will keep him, i think if Manu was healthy from the get go hes spot would be in danger of going to Salim and keeping Farmer/Hairston with Tolliver.

[benefactor]

Tolliver gets a standing O from Pop :lol
lol...had to rewind it to catch that.

[T Park]

He seems to be hit and miss in the rebounding dept. during the preseason. Against Indiana he looked really good on the boards...8 with 4 on the offensive end in 20 min.

Yeah I really hope he gets the minutes as the shooting 4, his athleticism and BB IQ already vaults him ahead of Rocket.

Hopefully he hits the boards more and earns those minutes.

I like how his shooting is really starting to round into form,.

[Buddy Holly]

Seriously.... objectively.. regardless of being friends with Hill... Vaughn doesn't have near the tools of Hill.. even with his experience... I don't see it benefiting him much.

Seriously... objectively.. we all think that. Vaughn is not needed on this team but will most likely be retained because Pop loves vets.

[Manufan909]

Where was the foul...

[T Park]

Thats what makes me hate him even more. Seriously though i can see why Pop will keep him, i think if Manu was healthy from the get go hes spot would be in danger of going to Salim and keeping Farmer/Hairston with Tolliver.

His spot wouldn't be in danger because Pop likes him. Thats that.

You hate the guy? Seriously? Theres nothing to hate about him.

[timvp]

Man, I'm stumped. I can't figure out who should or will get that last roster spot (I think Tolliver is now a lock). I think the original plan was to give it to Stoudamire. But Stoudamire has been hurt so he hasn't really done anything to keep the job.

Hairston won't help much this year but he has decent potential and he has the ability to play a lot of positions. Farmer is still a long shot but I like his toughness and attitude on the court. Will Pop still stick with Stoudamire or will he go with one of the other two? Or will Pop think about moving someone like Vaughn to open up a second spot?

[mystargtr34]

Malik seems to do a bit of everything, bit of a mini stat sheet stuffer, if he could knock down that jumper consistently he would be 5x more useful.

[Ice009]

Tolliver gets a standing O from Pop :lol

Where's is Bonner standing ovation? Pop might build Bonner a dog house in the locker room after this one.

[MrChug]

Tolliver has the energy we need off the bench.

[dbestpro]

Tolliver will be this year's Darius Washington. We will keep him, he will choke, he will get cut for a vet who can help come playoff time.

[benefactor]

Farmer!!!

[Buddy Holly]

Farmer Threeeee!

[T Park]

Seriously... objectively.. we all think that. Vaughn is not needed on this team but will most likely be retained because Pop loves vets.


No question Hill should be, and IMO will be the main backup to Parker. The way Pop glowingly talks about him, you would think that it was his own kid.

[timvp]

Got damn Farmer is a bad ass.

[Manufan909]

Man, I'm stumped. I can't figure out who should or will get that last roster spot (I think Tolliver is now a lock). I think the original plan was to give it to Stoudamire. But Stoudamire has been hurt so he hasn't really done anything to keep the job.

Hairston won't help much this year but he has decent potential and he has the ability to play a lot of positions. Farmer is still a long shot but I like his toughness and attitude on the court. Will Pop still stick with Stoudamire or will he go with one of the other two? Or will Pop think about moving someone like Vaughn to open up a second spot?

Where would he move him?

[Jobbs]

holy shit

[Fermixalot]

FARMER!!! Back to back 3s!!!

Make them keep you, make them keep you.

[Ice009]

Farmer seems to do all his scoring in the 4th quarter. FARMER BABY!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dex]

Lord only knows what Pop will decide from all of this, but I like Tollivers attitude in this game. He's not afraid to take a shot, and he's leaving everything out on the court.

[ace3g]

Farmer is on fire !!! only a 4 point lead now

[T Park]

Man, I'm stumped. I can't figure out who should or will get that last roster spot (I think Tolliver is now a lock). I think the original plan was to give it to Stoudamire. But Stoudamire has been hurt so he hasn't really done anything to keep the job.

Hairston won't help much this year but he has decent potential and he has the ability to play a lot of positions. Farmer is still a long shot but I like his toughness and attitude on the court. Will Pop still stick with Stoudamire or will he go with one of the other two? Or will Pop think about moving someone like Vaughn to open up a second spot?


I think if they could pull off an Udrih trade with Bonner they would, and that would keep that said guy around.

I think you just have to stick with hairston, hes got wayyy too much potential and great skill sets to be let go to chance of another team scooping him up.

[Manufan909]

DOUBLE 3333333333333333333333s!!!

[timvp]

Farmer is Stephen Jackson reincarnate ... minus about four inches in height.

[Fermixalot]

WTF was that?

Vaughn....that was ugly as hell.

[Russ]

Man, I'm stumped. I can't figure out who should or will get that last roster spot (I think Tolliver is now a lock). I think the original plan was to give it to Stoudamire. But Stoudamire has been hurt so he hasn't really done anything to keep the job.

Hairston won't help much this year but he has decent potential and he has the ability to play a lot of positions. Farmer is still a long shot but I like his toughness and attitude on the court. Will Pop still stick with Stoudamire or will he go with one of the other two? Or will Pop think about moving someone like Vaughn to open up a second spot?

All of the above (and what ever happened to Watkins?).

[T Park]

Got damn Farmer is a bad ass.

No room at the inn it seems though.

[T Park]

TIMVP if you were doing it who would be cut.


Lets say there are two spots to be had.

I say they take Tolliver Stoudamire.

I would LIKE them to take Tolliver and Hairston.

Ideally, Tolliver, Hairston, Farmer, trade Bonner.

[Russ]

Farmer is Stephen Jackson reincarnate ... minus about four inches in height.

And the keen intellect.

[benefactor]

Man...Farmer is going to be hard to cut.

[T Park]

Farmer losing the ball there is a killer.

[mystargtr34]

His spot wouldn't be in danger because Pop likes him. Thats that.

You hate the guy? Seriously? Theres nothing to hate about him.

Nah i dont hate him, i like him for what he is, a hustle guy who plays tough defense. The problem i have in keeping him, is because we have a younger better player already on the team who can provide more. Without Manu and not being able to have that extra guy who can play the point, i would rather keep Vaughan incase Hill struggles or Parker gets injured. But then again, Hill might be better off being thrown into the fire from the get go

[tp2021]

Farmer for Tres

[Buddy Holly]

Farmer threeee!

[benefactor]

Damn Farmer again.

[Fermixalot]

FARMER!!!!!!!

A little too late though, very good showing though.

[Jobbs]

why didn't we foul :(

[Ice009]

FARMER is a 4th quarter killer.

[tp2021]

why didn't we foul :(

Preseason.

[Buddy Holly]

We need to keep Toll and Farmer. Keep Salim or Hairston if the Spurs can move Bonner or Vaughn or both.

[benefactor]

TIMVP if you were doing it who would be cut.


Lets say there are two spots to be had.

I say they take Tolliver Stoudamire.

I would LIKE them to take Tolliver and Hairston.

Ideally, Tolliver, Hairston, Farmer, trade Bonner.
:tu

[tav1]

I've been in and out of this game, so take this with a grain of salt. But I'm increasingly of the opinion that Farmer and Hairston are in a dead heat for the final spot, with Tolliver already on the team. Green and Watkins will get their pink slip tomorrow morning. However, if the Spurs can't move Bonner or Vaughn, I'd prefer they keep both Farmer and Hairston. Farmer has an S-Jax quality to his game, minus the looney tune brain waves. As odd as this sounds, if the Spurs could move Vaughn, I'd be in favor of

Parker/Hill/Farmer
Mason/Ginobili/Fin
Bowen/Udoka/Hairston
Duncan/Bonner/Tolliver
Thomas/Oberto/Mahinmi

Tough, tough cuts this year, especially because I don't think they'll be able to find a taker for Vaughn.

[T Park]

Preseason.

+1

If it was allowed Pop would've been sitting in his office with a Pinot Noir and sweatpants already.

[Buddy Holly]

FARMER!!!!!!!

A little too late though, very good showing though.

If I'm not mistaken he barely got into the game until the fourth.

[Ice009]

Seriously.... objectively.. regardless of being friends with Hill... Vaughn doesn't have near the tools of Hill.. even with his experience... I don't see it benefiting him much.

That's great to know because I don't wanna see Vaughn out there at all.

[mystargtr34]

:tu

Keep Salim and ship Vaughan, ship him to Europe.

[Dex]

Farmer just earned a spot on A team, if not the Spurs.

Damn.

[ElNono]

I would keep Tolliver and Farmer... send Hairston to the Toros... just to start the season... then as the season goes on and Manu comes back, we'll see

[T Park]

:tu

Yeah while I don't have the full on mancrush everyone else does on Farmer, I like his scoring ability but fear hes a Ron Mercer like scorer and not a Stephen Jackson like scorer.

Tolliver is a definate keeper I can't wait to watch that kid up against the other good lineups, and I think Hairston is worth the roster spot to develop in Austin all year.

[Manufan909]

Damn chinese, I think I sold my soul when I closed the player.

[T Park]

If I'm not mistaken he barely got into the game in the fourth.

Played a tad in the first half, started the second half with Duncan and others in place of Finley.

[tav1]

As I was typing, Farmer upped his bad ass quotient to bad motherfucker.

[ElNono]

I don't think the friday game against Miami is televised, so this was it until the season starts as far as watching...

[mystargtr34]

I've been in and out of this game, so take this with a grain of salt. But I'm increasingly of the opinion that Farmer and Hairston are in a dead heat for the final spot, with Tolliver already on the team. Green and Watkins will get their pink slip tomorrow morning. However, if the Spurs can't move Bonner or Vaughn, I'd prefer they keep both Farmer and Hairston. Farmer has an S-Jax quality to his game, minus the looney tune brain waves. As odd as this sounds, if the Spurs could move Vaughn, I'd be in favor of

Parker/Hill/Farmer
Mason/Ginobili/Fin
Bowen/Udoka/Hairston
Duncan/Bonner/Tolliver
Thomas/Oberto/Mahinmi

Tough, tough cuts this year, especially because I don't think they'll be able to find a taker for Vaughn.

Maybe if Manu was healthy from the start, but i cant see Pop going with only a rookie PG backing Parker.

[Fermixalot]

These cuts are going to be killer.

So does it look like the two spots are going to Salim and Tolliver, that seems to be the general (depressing) consensus.

I'd hope for Watkins and Farmer personally, though that's pretty impossible.

[Ice009]

Well I'd actually like Farmer, Tolliver, Hairston and Stoudamire.

If we could just dump Bonner and Vaughn.

[Dex]

I don't think the friday game against Miami is televised, so this was it until the season starts as far as watching...

Thanks as always for the heads up ElNono.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Farmer, Hairston, and Tolliver all should make the team. I'd say it's very possible that the Spurs are trying desperately to move Bonner or probably working out a buyout/waive for Vaughn in order to keep all 3. I would.

[Russ]

Keep Salim and ship Vaughan, ship him to Europe.

I still think Vaughn could be a highly overpaid assistant coach until later in the season. :)

[ElNono]

So does it look like the two spots are going to Salim and Tolliver, that seems to be the general (depressing) consensus.


I'm not sold on Salim. And I think being injured really lowered his chances.

[Fermixalot]

As I was typing, Farmer upped his bad ass quotient to bad motherfucker.

Yeah, I tried to rob this restaurant the other day and I grabbed Farmer's wallet by mistake.

http://www.perfectduluthday.com/BadAssMotherFuckerWallet.JPG

[tav1]

Farmer, Hairston, and Tolliver all should make the team. I'd say it's very possible that the Spurs are trying desperately to move Bonner or probably working out a buyout/waive for Vaughn in order to keep all 3. I would.

To my mind, it's worth the 1.2 million to have Hairston in Austin and, possibly, Tolliver too. Buy him out, baby.

[timvp]

TIMVP if you were doing it who would be cut.


Lets say there are two spots to be had.

I say they take Tolliver Stoudamire.

I would LIKE them to take Tolliver and Hairston.

Ideally, Tolliver, Hairston, Farmer, trade Bonner.If it were up to me, I'd probably keep Tolliver and Farmer. I'd then try to convince Hairston to go to Austin.

Farmer seems like a guy who is unafraid to come into a playoff game and hit big shots. He's a little bit redundant with the current roster but over the next couple of years, he could build himself into a rotational player.

Stoudamire is a tough cut because the Spurs need scoring and that guy can score. I just don't really like his attitude and he can be pretty damn ballhogish. Hairston is a decent prospect who actually fits well in the long term plan but there are a lot of Hairstons out there that can be had. He doesn't have any unique trait that sets him apart.

It's damn tough, though. It's going to take a lot of hours for Pop and the front office to figure out which way to go.

[tav1]

Yeah, I tried to rob this restaurant the other day and I grabbed Farmer's wallet by mistake.

http://www.perfectduluthday.com/BadAssMotherFuckerWallet.JPG

+1:lol

[Allanon]

I missed the game, couldn't get a feed here at work.

Anybody kind enough to write a quick summary of how the game was for the new guys?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

To my mind, it's worth the 1.2 million to have Hairston in Austin and, possibly, Tolliver too. Buy him out, baby.

:tu

I would miss Vaughn though. He probably wasn't gonna get any playing time with Hill coming in anyways, but he is a pretty awesome guy.

[benefactor]

Yeah while I don't have the full on mancrush everyone else does on Farmer, I like his scoring ability but fear hes a Ron Mercer like scorer and not a Stephen Jackson like scorer.

Tolliver is a definate keeper I can't wait to watch that kid up against the other good lineups, and I think Hairston is worth the roster spot to develop in Austin all year.
It was more directed at the fact you had Bonner gone. :)

I understand where you are coming from though. Farmer is streaky and his game seems a little unorganized for our system. I know I said earlier in the week I was on the bandwagon for Farmer, but If I was absolutely forced to choose right now I would want Tolliver for now and Hairston for the future...mostly because Hariston seems to have the ability to develop a more well rounded game and he can play the 2 or the 3.

[T Park]

Would really hate to lose out on Stoudamire, I really think he can be that Eddie House off the bench type instant offense.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I missed the game, couldn't get a feed here at work.

Anybody kind enough to write a quick summary of how the game was for the new guys?

They all pwned.

[Dex]

Maybe the office eggheads can find some way to lump together the two and we'll end up with one useless garbage time player....Macque Vaughner.

Then we can afford to keep all three.

[tav1]

:tu

I would miss Vaughn though. He probably wasn't gonna get any playing time with Hill coming in anyways, but he is a pretty awesome guy.

Yeah, I like the guy too. It just looks like the page is turning.

[tmtcsc]

Farmer needs to make this team. The dude has attitude and can shoot. We can teach defense.

[T Park]

If it were up to me, I'd probably keep Tolliver and Farmer. I'd then try to convince Hairston to go to Austin.

Farmer seems like a guy who is unafraid to come into a playoff game and hit big shots. He's a little bit redundant with the current roster but over the next couple of years, he could build himself into a rotational player.

Stoudamire is a tough cut because the Spurs need scoring and that guy can score. I just don't really like his attitude and he can be pretty damn ballhogish. Hairston is a decent prospect who actually fits well in the long term plan but there are a lot of Hairstons out there that can be had. He doesn't have any unique trait that sets him apart.

It's damn tough, though. It's going to take a lot of hours for Pop and the front office to figure out which way to go.

Can't argue with that, but, like I said, the thing I would hate is to lose Hairston's rights, and like I said see him develop into a Bonzi Wells type and go off to another team.

Farmer to me just seems a little too one dimensional.

[Allanon]

They all pwned.

Hahah, awesome, thanks man. The Spur new guys look a million times better than the Laker camp trash, it's pretty sad.

[ElNono]

Would really hate to lose out on Stoudamire, I really think he can be that Eddie House off the bench type instant offense.

The problem for Stoudamire is that we already have 3 PG's under contract. It's kinda crowded out there. And when Manu comes back we wont even have room at SG either.

[tav1]

Would really hate to lose out on Stoudamire, I really think he can be that Eddie House off the bench type instant offense.

Stoudamire's stats indicate he had a poor game...based on your comment, I assume the stats are misleading?

[T Park]

It was more directed at the fact you had Bonner gone. :)

I understand where you are coming from though. Farmer is streaky and his game seems a little unorganized for our system. I know I said earlier in the week I was on the bandwagon for Farmer, but If I was absolutely forced to choose right now I would want Tolliver for now and Hairston for the future...mostly because Hariston seems to have the ability to develop a more well rounded game and he can play the 2 or the 3.

Yeah it seems to me the only thing hes missing is a consistent jump shot, and to me that can easily be had just working out with Chip.


It would be great if Bonner could get moved for picks and Hairston and Farmer were kept.

I just see Farmer getting let go and going somewhere to like Charlotte or Rio Grande Valley.

[T Park]

Stoudamire's stats indicate he had a poor game...based on your comment, I assume the stats are misleading?

Dudes shooting on one leg out there and I wouldn't take too much out of it.

The guy's per 48 minutes scoring is pretty damn good .

[benefactor]

Would really hate to lose out on Stoudamire, I really think he can be that Eddie House off the bench type instant offense.
I think with the other prospects we have he is too one dimensional to waste a roster spot on...and unless we move Vaughn that is just too many short players in our back court for my liking.

[T Park]

The problem for Stoudamire is that we already have 3 PG's under contract. It's kinda crowded out there. And when Manu comes back we wont even have room at SG either.

Hes not a point guard though. Hes like House in that hes a tweener 1-2.

I see what your saying but I again would hate to lose instant offense in a guy like Stoudamire.

[tav1]

Farmer hit two corner threes. There isn't a spot on the floor this guy can't score from. One dimensional, yes. But so far as single dimensions go, it's a pretty good one.

Edit: 3 corner threes.

[T Park]

I think with the other prospects we have he is too one dimensional to waste a roster spot on...and unless we move Vaughn that is just too many short players in our back court for my liking.

Yeah I see what your saying, but still though, I've seen Stoudamire come in and just bag threes and help the Hawks outbefore.

[tav1]

Dudes shooting on one leg out there and I wouldn't take too much out of it.

The guy's per 48 minutes scoring is pretty damn good .

Copy. It's a judgment call at this point, and it'll be hard to fault Pop whichever direction he goes. But I prefer Hairston and Farmer. It's a great year to have such a solid camp. I'm happy about that.

[T Park]

Copy. It's a judgment call at this point, and it'll be hard to fault Pop whichever direction he goes. But I prefer Hairston and Farmer. It's a great year to have such a solid camp. I'm happy about that.

Yeah the Spurs did their homework this offseason and its been a good one so far no question.

I love the Tolliver signing and think his potential is really exciting.

Between Hairston and Farmer you really can't go wrong.

What would be awesome is to trade Bonner have Hairston develop in Austin and have Farmer on the big league team at the end of the bench ready to come in and score.

[Obstructed_View]

Farmer and Hairston need to make this team to me. Tolliver has quick hands but that's about it. Being smarter than Bonner isn't really a plus, since my border collie seems to be more competent with a ball than he is. Willingness to shoot is nice and all, and it will distinguish you among this group that was determined to up fake all night, but Hairston is a far better defender, even against guys with a size advantage on him (anyone else thinking poor man's long three?), and Farmer just looks like the only chance the Spurs have of adding instant offense to the team. Once I found out that he's not as small as I thought he was, I was sold on him. That was before he started pulling the trigger at the end of the game.

A couple of additional thoughts:


The team's eggs are now firmly in the Mahinmi basket. If he doesn't pan out, Tolliver isn't going to help.

Bye, Matt. Nice knowin' ya. I recognized that look he gave to the bench after his mistakes. Beno and Elson had it.

Finley needs to find a workout program that fixes stupid. Lateral movement doesn't help you when you continue to sag away from your man on the perimeter and take half swats at shooters to give them an extra point.

Ime needs his own personal plus minus board, because I can't keep track of his "brilliant play/bonehead play" count in my head.

It would have been nice to see how Salim could play if his groin had allowed it. Too bad.

I really think Duncan is going to have a monster year. He's putting up numbers at half speed. You look up and suddenly he's just had an impact on the game. Maybe my memory is fading, but it hasn't felt like he's been able to do that so effortlessly in a while.

The Wizards are really terrible. As well as they shot and as badly as the Spurs played, you'd have expected the margin never to fall below 20.

I think it's time for the "we need more offense" experiment to be abandoned in favor of the "we need to keep playing defense until the shots start falling again" strategy that won four championships. Farmer's worth a flyer for his ability to actually make baskets with no conscience without the defensive liability that goes
along with it.

[tav1]

Yeah the Spurs did their homework this offseason and its been a good one so far no question.

I love the Tolliver signing and think his potential is really exciting.

Between Hairston and Farmer you really can't go wrong.

What would be awesome is to trade Bonner have Hairston develop in Austin and have Farmer on the big league team at the end of the bench ready to come in and score.

Yeah, that sounds ideal.

[tav1]

It's something that Tolliver out performed Bonner, and received more minutes. Bad shooting nights aside, the kid is pretty far along for one camp.

[ElNono]

What would be awesome is to trade Bonner have Hairston develop in Austin and have Farmer on the big league team at the end of the bench ready to come in and score.

This is exactly what I'm thinking, at least while Manu is out. The reality is that probably Mason/Fin can man the SG position for 20-30/min game each and Farmer won't play. Kind of the same thing with TP/Hill.
But I'd love to have a guy like Farmer as insurance at the SG, while he learns from the pros.

[Manufan909]

Fuck Pop, just cut your losses and waive Bonner if no team will take him plus a couple grand for a future 2nd round draft pick, Hairston and Farmer have played the best out of all the unsigned IMO. But Tolliver already showed he's better all-around than Bonner.

[T Park]

Farmer and Hairston need to make this team to me. Tolliver has quick hands but that's about it. Being smarter than Bonner isn't really a plus, since my border collie seems to be more competent with a ball than he is. Willingness to shoot is nice and all, and it will distinguish you among this group that was determined to up fake all night, but Hairston is a far better defender, even against guys with a size advantage on him (anyone else thinking poor man's long three?), and Farmer just looks like the only chance the Spurs have of adding instant offense to the team. Once I found out that he's not as small as I thought he was, I was sold on him.

A couple of additional thoughts:


The team's eggs are now firmly in the Mahinmi basket. If he doesn't pan out, Tolliver isn't going to help.

Bye, Matt. Nice knowin' ya. I recognized that look he gave to the bench after his mistakes. Beno and Elson had it.

Finley needs to find a workout program that fixes stupid. Lateral movement doesn't help you when you continue to sag away from your man on the perimeter and take half swats at shooters to give them an extra point.

Ime needs his own personal plus minus board, because I can't keep track of his "brilliant play/bonehead play" count in my head.

It would have been nice to see how Salim could play if his groin had allowed it. Too bad.

I really think Duncan is going to have a monster year. He's putting up numbers at half speed. You look up and suddenly he's just had an impact on the game. Maybe my memory is fading, but it hasn't felt like he's been able to do that so effortlessly in a while.

The Wizards are really terrible. As well as they shot and as badly as the Spurs played, you'd have expected the margin never to fall below 20.

I think it's time for the "we need more offense" experiment to be abandoned in favor of the "we need to keep playing defense until the shots start falling again" strategy that won four championships. Farmer's worth a flyer for his ability to actually make baskets with no conscience without the defensive liability that goes
along with it.

I have to respectfully disagree on Tolliver.

[Ice009]

It was more directed at the fact you had Bonner gone. :)

I understand where you are coming from though. Farmer is streaky and his game seems a little unorganized for our system. I know I said earlier in the week I was on the bandwagon for Farmer, but If I was absolutely forced to choose right now I would want Tolliver for now and Hairston for the future...mostly because Hariston seems to have the ability to develop a more well rounded game and he can play the 2 or the 3.

The thing is Farmer I think has the balls to hit shots in the playoffs. Big shots. Can you say that about any of the others? Even if Malik Hairston develops he may never have that in his game.

[T Park]

Fuck Pop, just cut your losses and waive Bonner if no team will take him plus a couple grand for a future 2nd round draft pick, Hairston and Farmer have played the best out of all the unsigned IMO. But Tolliver already showed he's better all-around than Bonner.

You wanna pay the salary it will cost to just "waive" him?

[T Park]

This is exactly what I'm thinking, at least while Manu is out. The reality is that probably Mason/Fin can man the SG position for 20-30/min game each and Farmer won't play. Kind of the same thing with TP/Hill.
But I'd love to have a guy like Farmer as insurance at the SG, while he learns from the pros.

Eh, I think there will be some nights where Finley is off and got nothing, Mason needs a blow and you need someone to rest him but need scoring, thats where Farmer would get his chance.

[tav1]

Is Roger Mason injured?

[T Park]

The thing is Farmer I think has the balls to hit shots in the playoffs. Big shots. Can you say that about any of the others? Even if Malik Hairston develops he may never have that in his game.

How the hell can you say that Hairston doesn't?

[T Park]

Is Roger Mason injured?


I don't think so, but IMO I think Pop knows what he has with Mase and is just resting him.

[Dex]

Farmer and Hairston need to make this team to me. Tolliver has quick hands but that's about it. Being smarter than Bonner isn't really a plus, since my border collie seems to be more competent with a ball than he is. Willingness to shoot is nice and all, and it will distinguish you among this group that was determined to up fake all night, but Hairston is a far better defender, even against guys with a size advantage on him (anyone else thinking poor man's long three?), and Farmer just looks like the only chance the Spurs have of adding instant offense to the team. Once I found out that he's not as small as I thought he was, I was sold on him. That was before he started pulling the trigger at the end of the game.

A couple of additional thoughts:


The team's eggs are now firmly in the Mahinmi basket. If he doesn't pan out, Tolliver isn't going to help.

Bye, Matt. Nice knowin' ya. I recognized that look he gave to the bench after his mistakes. Beno and Elson had it.

Finley needs to find a workout program that fixes stupid. Lateral movement doesn't help you when you continue to sag away from your man on the perimeter and take half swats at shooters to give them an extra point.

Ime needs his own personal plus minus board, because I can't keep track of his "brilliant play/bonehead play" count in my head.

It would have been nice to see how Salim could play if his groin had allowed it. Too bad.

I really think Duncan is going to have a monster year. He's putting up numbers at half speed. You look up and suddenly he's just had an impact on the game. Maybe my memory is fading, but it hasn't felt like he's been able to do that so effortlessly in a while.

The Wizards are really terrible. As well as they shot and as badly as the Spurs played, you'd have expected the margin never to fall below 20.

I think it's time for the "we need more offense" experiment to be abandoned in favor of the "we need to keep playing defense until the shots start falling again" strategy that won four championships. Farmer's worth a flyer for his ability to actually make baskets with no conscience without the defensive liability that goes
along with it.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

[Ice009]

The problem for Stoudamire is that we already have 3 PG's under contract. It's kinda crowded out there. And when Manu comes back we wont even have room at SG either.

I just don't want both Vaughn and Stoudamire. You trade or cut Vaughn then I will welcome Stoudamire to the team.

[ElNono]

I'll tell you guys right now, in case nobody read it yet, that Manu said in his column that I translated earlier, that he thought Tolliver is a lock.

[tav1]

I don't think so, but IMO I think Pop knows what he has with Mase and is just resting him.

Why would he need rest?

[ElNono]

I just don't want both Vaughn and Stoudamire. You trade or cut Vaughn then I will welcome Stoudamire to the team.

Hate to tell you, but Vaughn is not going anywhere. So if Salim is going to make it, it's going to be as the 4th PG.

[Obstructed_View]

I have to respectfully disagree on Tolliver.

I understand that you like him, I just don't understand why. Hairston has put up better numbers, is a better defender, ball handler, (statistically a better shooter) and actually plays bigger than Tolliver does despite giving up a couple of inches in height. If summer league shooting were so important, Hill probably wouldn't even have been invited to camp.

[T Park]

I understand that you like him, I just don't understand why. Hairston has put up better numbers, is a better defender, ball handler, (statistically a better shooter) and actually plays bigger than Tolliver does despite giving up a couple of inches in height. If summer league shooting were so important, Hill probably wouldn't even have been invited to camp.


I like Hairston, but like others have said hes not ready for the roster.

I think Tolliver has shown the shooting ability and hustle ability at the 4 thats been missing since Malik Rose 2003.

[Manufan909]

You wanna pay the salary it will cost to just "waive" him?

If was a millionare who has constantly got money back cuz his team is stingy, then of course.

[T Park]

Why would he need rest?

Cause hes gonna play the most minutes of his career in the upcoming season.....

[Dex]

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/arts/2007/03/07/sopranos460.jpg
who is this Jacque Vaughn that you speak of?

[Obstructed_View]

You wanna pay the salary it will cost to just "waive" him?

At this point, it's sure looking like the Spurs would be better off trying to negotiate a buyout than let him waste a roster spot. That's probably an overreaction since he seems to have had a couple of good games that I didn't see. I can't shake the feeling that he's destined to be traded for nothing anyway, and he probably would see the logic in being bought out before he got ground into a fine paste like Beno did.

[Manufan909]

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/arts/2007/03/07/sopranos460.jpg
who is this Jacque Vaughn that you speak of?

:toast:downspin::lol

[T Park]

At this point, it's sure looking like the Spurs would be better off trying to negotiate a buyout than let him waste a roster spot. That's probably an overreaction since he seems to have had a couple of good games that I didn't see. I can't shake the feeling that he's destined to be traded for nothing anyway, and he probably would see the logic in being bought out before he got ground into a fine paste like Beno did.


Traded will happen. But the Spurs aren't a rich enough team just to be buying out 3 million dollar contracts though.

[Ice009]

Hey I like Malik. Farmer's a better shooter though. That's not even up for debate.

[tp2021]

I understand that you like him, I just don't understand why.:lol

[Obstructed_View]

I like Hairston, but like others have said hes not ready for the roster.

I think Tolliver has shown the shooting ability and hustle ability at the 4 thats been missing since Malik Rose 2003.

It's not exactly shooting ability if the ball doesn't go in. If all you want is hustle, Bonner can do that. Hairston can step in and defend NBA guys right now, and he can handle the ball. I'd like Tolliver on this team if you can figure out a way to make Bonner go away.

[SequSpur]

You wanna pay the salary it will cost to just "waive" him?

you know, this is a classic quote.

alot of you waste time on salaries and shit like that. Look.. I ain't paying for shit.

I can type shit all I want and say how stupid it is or was to pay Bonner, Malik Rose, Finley, Vaughn or anyone any frickin jack.

But, honestly, all I give a shit about is winning. Bonner doesn't fuckin equate to shit in a legit NBA minute. I knew that from day one. I'm glad you fuckers finally woke up.

How the fuck do you all make through a day?

[ElNono]

How the hell can you say that Hairston doesn't?

I think what he means is that Farmer has that reckless abandon attitude, like SJax had. Hairston forte is more on the hustle and defense department. And I agree with his observation.

[T Park]

It's not exactly shooting ability if the ball doesn't go in. If all you want is hustle, Bonner can do that. Hairston can step in and defend NBA guys right now, and he can handle the ball. I'd like Tolliver on this team if you can figure out a way to make Bonner go away.

Tolliver is a lock for the team so arguing whether or not hes gonna be or should be there is moot.
Tolliver has shot the ball well lately, and his hustle ability is better than Bonners, I again have to disagree with that.

[Biggems]

I still say we need to get rid of Little Red Riding the Bench and Rip Van Vaughn.....I would rather have Barry than Finley, but that just isn't gonna happen, so I will have to live with it.

Keep Tolliver, Farmer, Hairston, and Watkins......

PG - Parker, Hill, Farmer
SG - Finley, Mason, Manu
SF - Bowen, Udoka, Hairston
PF - Duncan, Ime, Tolliver
C - Thomas, Oberto, Watkins

[T Park]

Incoherent Rambling....

[T Park]

I still say we need to get rid of Little Red Riding the Bench and Rip Van Vaughn.....I would rather have Barry than Finley, but that just isn't gonna happen, so I will have to live with it.
Keep Tolliver, Farmer, Hairston, and Watkins......

PG - Parker, Hill, Farmer
SG - Finley, Mason, Manu
SF - Bowen, Udoka, Hairston
PF - Duncan, Ime, Tolliver
C - Thomas, Oberto, Watkins


Yeah I'd say thats a safe assumption to make......


Watkins is getting cut tommarow so remove him :lol

[Obstructed_View]

Traded will happen. But the Spurs aren't a rich enough team just to be buying out 3 million dollar contracts though.

I'm not good enough with salary stuff to be able to figure out what scenario would be beneficial for a team to take him off the Spurs' hands, but if there's one, I'd love to hear about it.

[ElNono]

Tolliver is a lock for the team so arguing whether or not hes gonna be or should be there is moot.
Tolliver has shot the ball well lately, and his hustle ability is better than Bonners, I again have to disagree with that.

Plus Pop is in love with him, even giving him a standing ovation today. He's a lock, no doubt about it.

[T Park]

I'm not good enough with salary stuff to be able to figure out what scenario would be beneficial for a team to take him off the Spurs' hands, but if there's one, I'd love to hear about it.


I'm sure trading him to a team thats loading up for bear on capspace next year that doesn't care about winning this year is what would work, but I don't know of a team thats doing that, nor do I think the Spurs want to get rid of Bonner.

[Biggems]

Yeah I'd say thats a safe assumption to make......


Watkins is getting cut tommarow so remove him :lol


And that is a shame....Watkins could have been a very nice player off the bench for defensive purposes and some enforcer muscle.

[T Park]

Plus Pop is in love with him, even giving him a standing ovation today. He's a lock, no doubt about it.

ITs pretty hard not to like a kid that busts his ass and does what you tell him to do.

[T Park]

And that is a shame....Watkins could have been a very nice player off the bench for defensive purposes and some enforcer muscle.


Watkins is just not NBA level material. As much as I agree I'd like him on the team, I just can't in good sense put him ahead of guys like Tolliver or Hairston or Farmer.

[Ice009]

I think what he means is that Farmer has that reckless abandon attitude, like SJax had. Hairston forte is more on the hustle and defense department. And I agree with his observation.

That's exactly what I meant.

Most great shooters have an attitude. Hairston's jumper is nowhere near close at this point.

[HarlemHeat37]

I like Watkins too, but we can't just give up on Ian without seeing him playing with NBA guys..Watkins would make too many bigs..

[Biggems]

I like Watkins too, but we can't just give up on Ian without seeing him playing with NBA guys..Watkins would make too many bigs..

How so? Watkins would merely be replacing Bonner. He would be an end of bench guy who would be great to use in practice. Even better, we could send him to Austin and allow him to get significant minutes and improve his game the way we did with Ian.

[T Park]

How so? Watkins would merely be replacing Bonner. He would be an end of bench guy who would be great to use in practice. Even better, we could send him to Austin and allow him to get significant minutes and improve his game the way we did with Ian.


I don't think Watkins qualifies for the sending down part anymore.


Sigh, there needs to be a roster 101 thread tacked to the top to explain all of that stuff over and over.

[Biggems]

I don't think Watkins qualifies for the sending down part anymore.


Sigh, there needs to be a roster 101 thread tacked to the top to explain all of that stuff over and over.

why not? what are the exact rules for the developmental league?

[Obstructed_View]

Tolliver is a lock for the team so arguing whether or not hes gonna be or should be there is moot.
Do I smell peach ice cream? If Pop's willing to piss away a draft pick for a training camp invitee that hasn't really shown anything on the floor against NBA competition, then God bless him, but don't act like Tolliver's given him a reason to do that. Hairston sure hasn't. Saying that Pop has a crush on him that won't be swayed by logic isn't a reason for YOU to think he's a better option.


Tolliver has shot the ball well lately, and his hustle ability is better than Bonners, I again have to disagree with that.
I'm sorry, but if 7-20 from the field and 1-7 from three point range in the last two games is shooting the ball "well" then I'm going to need to come up with my own adjective. If Bonner does one thing well, it's hustle.

[duncan228]

Stoudamire struggles in loss
By Jeff McDonald

Salim Stoudamire arrived in San Antonio last month with a make-good contract in hand and a promise in his heart.

He would play as best he could for as long as he could. Either the Spurs would like him enough to include him on their regular-season roster, or they wouldn't.

So far, Stoudamire's mind has been willing. His body is not.

Playing on a strained groin that has not been right since the first day of training camp, Stoudamire limped through a desperate stint in the Spurs' 100-95 exhibition loss to Washington on Wednesday night at the AT&T Center.

Making just his second preseason appearance, Stoudamire pressed through 18 minutes, scoring three points on 1-of-5 shooting. Though he still has until Monday to impress Spurs coaches, Stoudamire's hobbled preseason has opened the door for other players — such as rookie Malik Hairston or Desmon Farmer — to make the roster.

“He is in a tough spot,” Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said of Stoudamire. “He's not 100 percent, and he wants to make a basketball team, and he would like to be as healthy as possible to give it his best go.”

[T Park]

Do I smell peach ice cream? If Pop's willing to piss away a draft pick for a training camp invitee that hasn't really shown anything on the floor against NBA competition, then God bless him, but don't act like Tolliver's given him a reason to do that. Hairston sure hasn't. Saying that Pop has a crush on him that won't be swayed by logic isn't a reason for YOU to think he's a better option.

I'm sorry, but if 7-20 from the field and 1-7 from three point range in the last two games is shooting the ball "well" then I'm going to need to come up with my own adjective. If Bonner does one thing well, it's hustle.


:lol

Your vehmently arguing against Tolliver when even Ginobili has said hes a lock to make the roster.

Sorry.

[Ice009]

lol Tolliver hasn't shot the ball well at all. In the games where he's scored points, some of them came inside off of steals and dunks. If you were to look at Tolliver's percentage on jump shots only, it'd be pretty bad.

[Obstructed_View]

Salim tweaked his groin again chasing down a ball he shoudn't have lost control of. He's gone.

[T Park]

Stoudamire struggles in loss
By Jeff McDonald

Salim Stoudamire arrived in San Antonio last month with a make-good contract in hand and a promise in his heart.

He would play as best he could for as long as he could. Either the Spurs would like him enough to include him on their regular-season roster, or they wouldn't.

So far, Stoudamire's mind has been willing. His body is not.

Playing on a strained groin that has not been right since the first day of training camp, Stoudamire limped through a desperate stint in the Spurs' 100-95 exhibition loss to Washington on Wednesday night at the AT&T Center.

Making just his second preseason appearance, Stoudamire pressed through 18 minutes, scoring three points on 1-of-5 shooting. Though he still has until Monday to impress Spurs coaches, Stoudamire's hobbled preseason has opened the door for other players — such as rookie Malik Hairston or Desmon Farmer — to make the roster.

“He is in a tough spot,” Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said of Stoudamire. “He's not 100 percent, and he wants to make a basketball team, and he would like to be as healthy as possible to give it his best go.”

I'm gonna say Pop decoder ring says Salim is toast.

[Obstructed_View]

:lol

Your vehmently arguing against Tolliver when even Ginobili has said hes a lock to make the roster.

Sorry.

Again, you've completely failed to give a valid basketball reason why he should make the team. Separate from the hive-mind and make an original basketball observation. They won't revoke your season tickets if you do. I promise.

[T Park]

Again, you've completely failed to give a valid basketball reason why he should make the team. Separate from the hive-mind and make an original basketball observation. They won't revoke your season tickets if you do. I promise.

I've given why.

Hes a athletic 4 who can shoot the outside shot.

Hes more athletic than Bonner and he can shoot the rock better.

[ElNono]

:lol

Your vehmently arguing against Tolliver when even Ginobili has said hes a lock to make the roster.

Sorry.

I would only correct that Manu thinks he's a lock. He's obviously more involved inthe day-to-day of the team than we are, so it gives the comment more weight. That said, nothing is garanteed with Pop at the helm (well, perhaps with the exception of Vaughn)

[T Park]

I would only correct that Manu thinks he's a lock. He's obviously more involved inthe day-to-day of the team than we are, so it gives the comment more weight. That said, nothing is garanteed with Pop at the helm (well, perhaps with the exception of Vaughn)

No I'd say Duncan and Pop liking him is as much of a lock as your gonna get.

[Ice009]

He hasn't shot the outside shot well at all in the preseason. Preseason is a lot better than summer league. I'd have to say Matt Bonner has shot better from the outside in preseason play.

[T Park]

He hasn't shot the outside shot well at all in the preseason. Preseason is a lot better than summer league. I'd have to say Matt Bonner has shot better from the outside in preseason play.

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Whats that got to do with Tolliver making the team?

[Obstructed_View]

Hes a athletic 4 who can shoot the outside shot.
Except that he hasn't shown any shooting ability since summer league.


Hes more athletic than Bonner and he can shoot the rock better.
Except that he isn't and so far he hasn't. Besides, the choice is not between him and Bonner You're willing to give up Hairston or Farmer for him?

[T Park]

Except that he hasn't shown any shooting ability since summer league.


Except that he isn't and so far he hasn't. Besides, the choice is not between him and Bonner You're willing to give up Hairston or Farmer for him?


Hairston? No because I think hes got a great future.

Farmer? Maybe, hes a little too one dimensional for my tastes.


Tolliver played well tonight and made his shots.

Again, I don't get the hate on this guy.

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Whats that got to do with Tolliver making the team?

Exactly. Why would his outside shooting (or lack thereof) have anything to do with whether he makes the team? His lack of a post game, defense and rebounding don't seem to. :lol

[Ice009]

I would only correct that Manu thinks he's a lock. He's obviously more involved inthe day-to-day of the team than we are, so it gives the comment more weight. That said, nothing is garanteed with Pop at the helm (well, perhaps with the exception of Vaughn)

lol Manu also said in that interview than Mason would probably make the team. I don't think Manu is too impressed with any of them? I mean it sounded like he didn't even know Mason had a contract already and he doesn't have to make the team.

[T Park]

Exactly. Why would his outside shooting (or lack thereof) have anything to do with whether he makes the team? His lack of a post game, defense and rebounding don't seem to. :lol

No I don't see what Matt Bonner has to do with him making it. Bonner has not played well one but, but Tolliver IMO, and obviously the opinion of others, has out played him.

[Solid D]

Greg Simmons on KSAT12 TV Sportscast at 10:20 tonight was showing highlights of the Wizards v. Spurs game. One of the plays showed Tolliver swishing a three from the left corner and Simmons commented: "I don't know if Pop wants his Center taking threes but here is Anthony Tolliver making one from the corner, with 9 tonight."

Ah, the casual observance of Spurs basketball.

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Farmer? Maybe, hes a little too one dimensional for my tastes.

Possibly, but I think someday we're going to be talking about how the Spurs could have had him. He's a good passer, a decent defender, and a cold blooded scorer. If Pop sees as much of Jack in him as I do then I think Tolliver's spot isn't guaranteed, especially after tonight.

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No I don't see what Matt Bonner has to do with him making it. Bonner has not played well one but, but Tolliver IMO, and obviously the opinion of others, has out played him.

You're sure counting on that. I don't know why you care so much what other people think. You're like a remora.

[ElNono]

lol Manu also said in that interview than Mason would probably make the team. I don't think Manu is too impressed with any of them? I mean it sounded like he didn't even know Mason had a contract already and he doesn't have to make the team.

Even if he didn't know that Mason was under contract, the fact that he believes both Mason and Tolliver are making the team I think speaks volumes how Tolliver has positioned himself above the other rookies.

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Greg Simmons on KSAT12 TV Sportscast at 10:20 tonight was showing highlights of the Wizards v. Spurs game. One of the plays showed Tolliver swishing a three from the left corner and Simmons commented: "I don't know if Pop wants his Center taking threes but here is Anthony Tolliver making one from the corner, with 9 tonight."

Ah, the casual observance of Spurs basketball.

ESPN and NBA.com both have Tolliver listed as a center. I'm not sure how anyone could mistake him for a 5. I can't even bring myself to think of him as a 4.

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Even if he didn't know that Mason was under contract, the fact that he believes both Mason and Tolliver are making the team I think speaks volumes how Tolliver has positioned himself above the other rookies.

He must be tearing it up in practice, then.

[HarlemHeat37]

I have the same thoughts about Tolliver as you do OV, but I'll give Pop and Duncan the benefit of the doubt..they both seem to like him..

I don't mind Tolliver, as long as I see Farmer and Hairston on the team too..I don't wanna lose either guy, because I think we'll end up regretting it at some point, like OV said..they're both exactly what we've been looking for..

Hairston give us the athletic type that can slash and D up..with Farmer on the team, we'd have Manu, Mason, Finley and Farmer..those are 4 shooters, that gives us plenty of options during our notorious shooting droughts..

[T Park]

He must be tearing it up in practice, then.

:lol

Yeah those 9 points he had tonight on some good shooting showed nothing.

[ElNono]

He must be tearing it up in practice, then.

Either that or he's a strong character guy, or Pops just likes what he sees an thinks he's an easier guy to mold...

[T Park]

I have the same thoughts about Tolliver as you do OV, but I'll give Pop and Duncan the benefit of the doubt..they both seem to like him..

I don't mind Tolliver, as long as I see Farmer and Hairston on the team too..I don't wanna lose either guy, because I think we'll end up regretting it at some point, like OV said..they're both exactly what we've been looking for..

Hairston give us the athletic type that can slash and D up..with Farmer on the team, we'd have Manu, Mason, Finley and Farmer..those are 4 shooters, that gives us plenty of options during our notorious shooting droughts..


Can't keep both Hairston and Farmer and not cut someone else.

[Solid D]

Greg Simmons on KSAT12 TV Sportscast at 10:20 tonight was showing highlights of the Wizards v. Spurs game. One of the plays showed Tolliver swishing a three from the left corner and Simmons commented: "I don't know if Pop wants his Center taking threes but here is Anthony Tolliver making one from the corner, with 9 tonight."

Ah, the casual observance of Spurs basketball.


ESPN and NBA.com both have Tolliver listed as a center. I'm not sure how anyone could mistake him for a 5. I can't even bring myself to think of him as a 4.

I'm not focusing on the word "Center". I'm more focused on Greg's lack of understanding that Tolliver, heading in to this game, was leading the Spurs in 3-point attempts and was brought in as a FA because of his 3-point shooting display in Summer League.

I'm just sayin....

[timvp]

All things being equal, Tolliver wouldn't make the team based on his preseason performances. He's been trigger happy but bad field goal percentage sad. Defense and rebounding are decent but not they aren't traits that separate him from the pack. That said, reading between the lines, he's a near lock to make the team. Why? Don't really know. Maybe summer league means that much to the Spurs or perhaps Tolliver is shooting great in practice. Or maybe it's because the Spurs already have $200K invested in him.

But if you just go by preseason, RMJ doesn't stand way out from the swingmen invites. RMJ has been decent but it's tough to say he has thoroughly outplayed the likes of Farmer and Hairston.

These cuts are going to be really interesting.

[xtremesteven33]

If Farmer doesnt make the team and Tolliver does.....:shootme

[Manufan909]

Has anyone else seen him play well above Hairston or Farmer, cuz I just don't see it.

[timvp]

I'm not focusing on the word "Center". I'm more focused on Greg's lack of understanding that Tolliver, heading in to this game, was the leading the Spurs in 3-point attempts and was brought in as a FA because of his 3-point shooting display in Summer League.

I'm just sayin....Was that Greg Simmons defending Robert Horry in Game 5 of the 2005 Finals? Same scouting report on not thinking Spurs bigmen like to shoot threes.

:smokin

[T Park]

If Farmer doesnt make the team and Tolliver does.....:shootme

Load up the gun now then, hes a lock to make the team.