San Antonio Spurs vs. Portland Trail Blazers Game Thread

[DROB4EVER]

Given up 100 again!

[peskypesky]

if only we had one other big besides tim... :(

[Quiet Strength]

Jump ball my ass

[bdictjames]

What?

[Typhoon]

Man what's up with the retarded calls..

[timtonymanu]

too many going in blazers favor!

[WildcardManu]

that ref was waiting to call jump ball

[Quiet Strength]

damn duncan you should of had that

[koopa]

that's game..........

[Amuseddaysleeper]

fuck this game

fuck the blazers

[peskypesky]

Tim? WTF?

[bdictjames]

Cmon Spurs..

[Banzai]

so much for the jump ball.

[peskypesky]

we can totally still win this...veteran poise and experience

[Ice009]

WHAT tthe fuck. Why didn't Tim call time out or did the refs not allow it?????????????

[bdictjames]

1 minute to go.

[Typhoon]

Spurs have to win this one, cmon Spurs!

[Slippy]

luck and soft fouls goivng the blazers way. Damn !

[mexicanjunior]

The Spurs are really getting hosed in this quarter by the refs...the calls against Parker on the loose ball and Mason on the inbounds were awful...

[thekingrobert]

its hard to fight against three refs and an entire basketball team

[Quiet Strength]

WHAT tthe fuck. Why didn't Tim call time out or did the refs not allow it?????????????


Thats what I was thinking. Tim was trapped.. he should of called timeout

[bdictjames]

breath

[peskypesky]

we're lucky Oden isn't playing....but they're lucky Manu and Oberto aren't playing

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

i cant watch, tie game and clipps ball

[Ice009]

DId Tim have control of the ball? Should have called time.

THis video feed isn't very clear.

[bdictjames]

come on guys....... both teams are now tied

Nuggs ball with 40secs left

NENE is ballin......these games are so similar lol both teams are relying on their pf/c and both have 5 fouls


Spurs have to win this one, cmon Spurs!
have to? :lol

[boutons_]

spurs shooting FG 57% and 3G 60% and are down with 1 min left, very bizarre.

[bdictjames]

Finley out.

[Roxsfan]

Man what's up with the retarded calls..

yeah, that's david stern's way of saying the spurs have won enough.....

I tell u the refs don't let the players determine the W and Ls

:flag:

[koopa]

game over............

[Quiet Strength]

Lucky shot but damn that hurts

[Amuseddaysleeper]

*sigh*

[peskypesky]

huge shot by aldridge

:(

[bdictjames]

One stop here.

[loveforthegame]

Well fuck.

[boutons_]

clutch shot by Aldridge, could be the dagger

[bdictjames]

A three can tie it, duh.

[lefty]

we're lucky Oden isn't playing....but they're lucky Manu is not playing

Fixed it for you

[Banzai]

spurs will hit a 3.

[Ice009]

Just great. Spurs no defense at all. Silly fouls. Stupid refs. Spurs and refs fucking this game.

[Spurs1234]

i love TD, he is the best player i have ever followed this closely, but is he 2-100 in jump balls, didnt earl boykins win one vs. him in the playoffs

[Quiet Strength]

Win or lose I think the spurs can build on this game

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Mason is the real deal.

Aldridge has been superb.

Great game, in the end! :)

[duncan228]

Duncan was really animated after the jump ball was called. I'm wondering if he tried to call time and they didn't hear him.

[Admidave50]

Fuck the refs and the Blazers! I stood awake until 6 am in the morning and I have an interview in 4 hours for a job...

[Spurs Brazil]

Fuck!

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

OT for the Nuggs,........come on Spurs!

[Ice009]

Let's go Spurs. Have confidence.

[bdictjames]

Mason is the real deal.

Aldridge has been superb.

Great game, in the end! :)
Optimistic Aussies. :toast

[ace3g]

very similar to the Suns game on Wednesday

[koopa]

well if we can't beat the suns or blazers, we won't beat the mavs, so that's a 0-3 start, then we play the wolves who could be good, and then heat we will beat

[bdictjames]

Parker, dont shoot a 3 this time.

[Roxsfan]

WHEN IS MANU BACK?

[bdictjames]

well if we can't beat the suns or blazers, we won't beat the mavs, so that's a 0-3 start, then we play the wolves who could be good, and then heat we will beat
I think we can beat all 3, Im worried about the Heat though.

[Quiet Strength]

Set up mason for 3

[Ice009]

Mason is a BALLER. Give him the shot.

[lefty]

KT for 3 !!!!

[Quiet Strength]

I hate parker at the line...

[koopa]

fuck........ we can't play d, why would we go for two?

[bdictjames]

KT for 3 !!!!

:lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

nice ft's TP

[Quiet Strength]

fuck........ we can't play d, why would we go for two?

because there is still time to get a stop

[bdictjames]

So what happened?

[Slippy]

hardy any clock wasted . just need a stop now

[benefactor]

Big time FT's by Tony.

[bdictjames]

We got this.

[Manufan909]

Fuck I'm going to have a heart attack.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Udoka is going to bury his old team, book it

[koopa]

because there is still time to get a stop

but we can't play d for shit...........

[peskypesky]

Fixed it for you

Oberto is a starter on an NBA championship team and a Gold medal team for a reason. Go f(ix) yourself.

[Quiet Strength]

but we can't play d for shit...........

yeah but its worth a try :flag:

[mexicanjunior]

Clutch FT's by Parker...which is something I'm not used to saying. I think they have to keep Mason on Roy and hope to force him into tough jumper. He is the only one quick enough to stay in front of him...

[peskypesky]

Fuck I'm going to have a heart attack.

ummm....really? it's the 2nd game of the season.

[koopa]

wow, twice mason has fucked us in teh clutch by passing it off..........

[benefactor]

alsgfkjdslk;fjads;lfja;s'lfja;dlfjad;lfjka;dlkfj

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Why didn't Mason take it all the way to the rim!?!?

[peskypesky]

Mason should have shot that. Damn.

[Quiet Strength]

Were they out of timeouts or what? Fuck that!

[Allanon]

Wow, Finley with a wide open shot near the basket and he overshoots it.

[loveforthegame]

WTF did Mason pass off to Finley for? He had a layup.

[Reck]

0-2

Brilliant start.

[Slippy]

damn so close!!

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

finley?! what the?!

[WildcardManu]

man, so close

[timtonymanu]

and Spurs lose. but i like the effort the Spurs showed near the end.

[Jloyola]

I dont think the SPurs wanna play the Lakers right now!!! The way they whipped the Blazers, and then the blazers beat the spurs

[bdictjames]

Haha, good game.

[ace3g]

damn Mace should have faked the pass and gone for the reverse layup

[J Zone]

Fuuuck Finley..

How Did He Miss That

[Roxsfan]

Brent Berry would have drained that baseline J

[Slinkyman]

At least we're finding out who can still play, who never could, and who can give us something.

[Ice009]

FUCKING VIDEO FEED CUT OUT. When it came backs omeone took at jumper for the win and missed.

WHAT happened? We lost? who took the shot?

[peskypesky]

wow, twice mason has fucked us in teh clutch by passing it off..........

oh come on...he's the new kid on the team so he's deferring to his team-mates. nothing so wrong with that. i'm sure pop will tell him soon to look for his own shot. then all will be swell.

[mexicanjunior]

Damn...probably should have taken a time out and set up a play for TP at the end. That said, Finley had a decent look.

[boutons_]

fuck, hot shooting Spurs can't win.

0-2

[Slinkyman]

I dont think the SPurs wanna play the Lakers right now!!! The way they whipped the Blazers, and then the blazers beat the spurs

With all out injuries we don't wanna play anyone right now

[WildcardManu]

/sigh

[benefactor]

No mysteries in this one. Too much size on their end and too little on ours.

[Spurs Brazil]

Why not a fucking time out- I can't beliave

[androck]

I like the pass by Mason to Finley. Finley had an open look on the jumper and he just couldn't get it done. Mason had three defenders converging on him, he made the right play.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Fitting result. Loved our fight though.

[lefty]

Oberto is a starter on an NBA championship team and a Gold medal team for a reason. Go f(ix) yourself.

Oberto got outrebounded by Farmar and Fisher during the 2008 WCF

Go Oberto yourself

[Quiet Strength]

That was a good 4th quarter

[Obstructed_View]

I dont think the SPurs wanna play the Lakers right now!!! The way they whipped the Blazers, and then the blazers beat the spurs

Why wouldn't the Spurs want to play the Lakers right now with two starters out?

[loveforthegame]

Finley had a good look but Mason had a better one. I'm not sure why he passed it off with time running out like that.

[Admidave50]

Fuck Finley, that was the perfect hold up! Shit

[leemajors]

wow whottt a shot by finley

[Ice009]

What happened Mason passed it off again?

My video feed cut out and came back when Fin took that shot.

[benefactor]

So were we out of timeouts or what?

[honestfool84]

I like the pass by Mason to Finley. Finley had an open look on the jumper and he just couldn't get it done. Mason had three defenders converging on him, he made the right play.



funny, i saw it differently.
i saw mason with a possible fake to finley, and a wide open lay-up.

[Obstructed_View]

Mason had a layup.

[024]

mason made the right play. there were two defenders on him, he could have crashed in and try to draw a foul but he handed it off to an open finley. finley should have made that.

[Slippy]

Fin usually money from that close. Mase could of driven it in himself but had the right idea passing it off.

[boutons_]

Michael choked on a easy, uncontested, short jumper.

[Manufan909]

Damn... And yes pesky, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK watching the Spurs gets me amped, no matter what.

[peskypesky]

I dont think the SPurs wanna play the Lakers right now!!! The way they whipped the Blazers, and then the blazers beat the spurs

:sleep

we'll beat you in the playoffs...when it counts.

[lefty]

http://usersmedia.ign.com/images/headerImages/582/58253487/FHImg.jpg?65664

[Quiet Strength]

Anyone know if the spurs still had timeouts?

[androck]

I'm really concerned about Bowen's play thus far this year. Is this the year his age catches up to him? We really need Udoka to step up defensively.

[Jloyola]

Why wouldn't the Spurs want to play the Lakers right now with two starters out?

:p:

[Spurs Brazil]

mason made the right play. there were two defenders on him, he could have crashed in and try to draw a foul but he handed it off to an open finley. finley should have made that.

Agree but we should have called a time out

[Allanon]

Yup, Mason was pretty open. One fake would have been an easy layup.

[TDfan2007]

Michael choked on a easy, uncontested, short jumper.

agreed. Wow our luck is lousy in regular season crunch time...

[Jobbs]

Anyone know if the spurs still had timeouts?

yes a 20

they had 1 and 2 20s when they took back to back

fucking close games sting

back to back close games sting

[leemajors]

Agree but we should have called a time out

i like that mason pressed, personally. he set the table for finley, who choked.

[lefty]

Is it still possible to call a retrospective timeout ???

[peskypesky]

Oberto got outrebounded by Farmar and Fisher during the 2008 WCF

Go Oberto yourself

so you must know basketball better than pop and the brazilian GM.

stick it up your Farmar

[ShoogarBear]

:pctoss

[benefactor]

I don't think either play was a bad decision on Mason's part. Finley was wide open and had a short jumper. He missed...period.

[thekingrobert]

Anyone know if the spurs still had timeouts?
yup they had a full and a 20

[timvp]

I thought Mason should have shot it when seeing it live. But on the replay Przybilla was right there to go up for the block. A five footer by Finley for the win ... I'll take that.

[lefty]

so you must know basketball better than pop and the brazilian GM.

stick it up your Farmar

Did you watch the 2008 playoffs?

Son of a Shaq

[peskypesky]

i like that mason pressed, personally. he set the table for finley, who choked.

TOTALLY. Mason did 95% of a Manu. Just needed to take that shot for the last 5%.

[Banzai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6waXPTSrGiA :rollin:rollin

[SAtown]

Tough luck for Finley. He makes that 8/10 times, oh well

[knee-knee-3]

Whether Mason made the right decision or didn't isn't the issue. Finley had a great look and a makeable shot, but he shanked. Either way, Mason looks gooooooooooood.

[Biernutz]

The Blazers killed us on steals ,turnovers and offense rebounds. We shot 56%.

[benefactor]

Sure would be nice to have some size in those SG/SF's.....*coughHairstoncough*

[ShoogarBear]

I don't think either play was a bad decision on Mason's part. Finley was wide open and had a short jumper. He missed...period.

:tu

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Tough luck for Finley. He makes that 8-10 times, oh well

Maybe back in 1996

This year....I dunno

[SequSpur]

tony parker and tim duncan are bad ass. mason is up there and udoka as well....

bowen, bonner, vaughn, and maybe thomas are ooooooooooollllllllddddddddd

[Ice009]

What the fuck did Mason say after the last game. We won't make the same mistake again. he fucking made the same mistake by passing the ball off again. WTF ROGER. You said you wouldn't amke the same mistake again.

[Obstructed_View]

Second game in a row the Spurs have the other team's center with five fouls and go completely away from Duncan.

[peskypesky]

Did you watch the 2008 playoffs?

Son of a Shaq

One series does not define a player.

Tell me how my Kobe taste.

[timtonymanu]

We almost won again without Manu.

Hill needs playing time, Pop!

[Quiet Strength]

I don't think either play was a bad decision on Mason's part. Finley was wide open and had a short jumper. He missed...period.

At first i thought the spurs should of called timeout but they probably wouldn't of been able to get a wide open shot that close to the basket. Mason made a great play.. too bad finley missed an easy shot. It happens..

[lefty]

Of course, Finley made big shots for Dallas against us. :bang

[mexicanjunior]

Sure would be nice to have some size in those SG/SF's.....*coughHairstoncough*

I don't think Pop would have given Hairston any PT in this game...we were lucky to see Farmer for as long as we did.

[Obstructed_View]

How nice would it have been to have someone that could have played defense?

Hairston > Farmer

And Tolliver had better be amazing in the rebounding and defense department, because the Spurs clearly don't need another three point shooting one trick pony.

[lefty]

One series does not define a player.

Tell me how my Kobe taste.

It defined the fact that Oberto is a useless piece of s....asha

[T Park]

fin just missed. He's hit slot of clutch shots for this team in the past. That being said you have to make that shot. Things that I loved was the offensive execution and the crunch time defense. They made slot of stops when it counted. Mason is a flat out stud though.

[Russ]

Yikes, Batum had more blocked shots than the Spurs team.

[024]

13-5 offensive rebound advantage by the blazers. also a 6-14 turnover advantage. need oberto back.

[knee-knee-3]

What the fuck did Mason say after the last game. We won't make the same mistake again. he fucking made the same mistake by passing the ball off again. WTF ROGER. You said you wouldn't amke the same mistake again.

Get over it. Finley had a "bunny" and missed it. Mason played great tonight.

[Obstructed_View]

Yikes, Batum had more blocked shots than the Spurs team.

Man, I hope Hill is a good player. If he's a bust, I'm going to be sick for a long time.

[mexicanjunior]

Hill needs playing time, Pop!

Didn't you listen to Buddy Holly? He is SOOOO injured...

[timvp]

How is Hairston getting mentioned? Pop is going with offensive players right now. Hairston wouldn't have gotten a minute.

Hairston right now is a less offensively talented version of a fatter Udoka.

[peskypesky]

I don't think either play was a bad decision on Mason's part. Finley was wide open and had a short jumper. He missed...period.

I think a layup is generally a higher percentage shot than even a short jumper. And even if he didn't make the shot, Mason could've easily drawn the foul.

Again, I think he's deferring to his elder team-mates. It's smart. It's diplomatic. But at some point, Pop will let him know that he can look for his own shot. And Pop will let the team know that too.

[benefactor]

No one needs to look at this as 0-2. We need to look at it as Mason is a stud and he will be taking Fin's minutes when Manu gets back. He will be our 4th scorer we have been looking for. Then maybe we can cut Farmer and add another big. Preferably someone who can...oh...I don't know....rebound?

[Ice009]

Man I LOVE MASON. I didn't get to see the play cause my video feed crapped out. So it was not like the last game where Mason should have taken the shot?

[ElNono]

I didn't think we should have been in a position to win the game to begin with. If not for the rain of treys in the fourth, we would have lost by ten. It was a good effort, and all you can ask is to have a chance to win the game at the end. We did and missed. Now we gotta get ready for Dallas on Tuesday.
It's silly to argue about the last play. If Finley makes that wide open jumper, we would be talking what a great pass he made. He gave a chance to Fin to win it and Fin couldn't get it done.

[td4mvp21]

That's a shot Finley always makes. Smart choice to pass by Mason, would have gotten blocked by Pryzbilla IMO. I liked how we fought down the stretch. The Spurs have performed well for having 2 proven key players and 2 unproven, yet anticipated players injured.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

How is Hairston getting mentioned? Pop is going with offensive players right now. Hairston wouldn't have gotten a minute.

Hairston right now is a less offensively talented version of a fatter Udoka.


Thank you!

Farmer >>>>> Hariston

We need people who can put the ball in the hole right now.


Still kinda stunned the Spurs managed to shoot 56% with the current roster

Even more stunned the Spurs shot 56% and lost (rebounding killed us)

[team-work]

Nice work to come back from behind in the 4th quarter.

However, I strong pledge Pop to let the young guys e.g. Hill, Mahinmi (when they recover from injury) play more at least quarters 1-3 to bring about much-needed athleticism. There's nothing to lose : you fear the young guys make mistake, but in this game, the turnovers are still there with the veterans.

[underdawg]

Agree but we should have called a time out

Don't know how much of a better look you would have had after a timeout vs. the one Finley had. He should have made the shot. That said - I'm supremely happy with Mason so far. We have a lot to look forward in him and I also like Udoka's progression. Everyone can be down on the Spurs, but there's a lot of potential for a team that most are already writing off. By the way, the comparison between the fakers win over this one is null given Roy's terrific game tonight and his horrible game against them.

[Buddy Holly]

Didn't you listen to Buddy Holly? He is SOOOO injured...

I made up his injury? I made up Pop's overly cautious nature? I did that?

[mexicanjunior]

How is Hairston getting mentioned? Pop is going with offensive players right now. Hairston wouldn't have gotten a minute.


Agreed...

[timvp]

I think a layup is generally a higher percentage shot than even a short jumper. And even if he didn't make the shot, Mason could've easily drawn the foul. With the way the refs were letting the teams play around the basket, Mason wasn't going to get that call. Przybilla is a damn good shot blocker and Mason isn't exactly a great finisher around the rim. Finley on an open five footer is a shot he hits about 80% of the time.

If that's Manu or Parker going down the middle of the floor, then yeah I want them going all the way to the rim. Mason? Not so much.

[lefty]

Can we trade Finley+Bonner+Vaughn?

Of course, you are going to ask : " ummm....for who ? "

Well, I don't care if get the 257th pick of the 2025 draft in return, because if we can get rid of them, Pop won't play them

[Manufan909]

How is Hairston getting mentioned? Pop is going with offensive players right now. Hairston wouldn't have gotten a minute.

Hairston right now is a less offensively talented version of a fatter Udoka.

But with "upside". Which doesn't mean shit right now.

Mason is definitely the shit though. I know he is averaging 30 minutes a night, but I want him getting that when Manu comes back as well.

Plus, I'm secretly glad that the Spurs have 3 days off, gives Tim time to recover from a 40 min game.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I think a layup is generally a higher percentage shot than even a short jumper. And even if he didn't make the shot, Mason could've easily drawn the foul.

I can promise you on my life the refs would not have called the foul no matter how much contact Mason would've drawn.

Refs almost always swallow their whistles when there is less than 10 seconds in the game. Maybe Dwyane Wade gets that call, but not Roger Mason.

[peskypesky]

It defined the fact that Oberto is a useless piece of s....asha

Yeah. Useless pieces of s...asha often start on NBA Championship AND gold medal teams. No one is saying he's an all-star, but he's a decent roll-player and another big would have been very helpful tonight.

Go Phil your little Jackson.

[Ice009]

Get over it. Finley had a "bunny" and missed it. Mason played great tonight.

I didn't get to see the play . AS I said no one replied back and fucking corrected me when I asked what happened because my video feed cut out and came back with Finley missing the jumper. I made an assumption that Mason passed up a good shot again.

[DROB4EVER]

Well I hate to say it but we need to overhaul our defense now or just tank the season. We are not blocking shots, its easier to score on us than on a drunk Paris Hilton, and WTF is up with our rotations and rebounding?

I have high hope for Ian and we look like we can score with anyone, but D is our calling card so unless we are going to become like Dallas we need to fix the D or we are an 8th seed!

[Obstructed_View]

How is Hairston getting mentioned? Pop is going with offensive players right now. Hairston wouldn't have gotten a minute.

Hairston right now is a less offensively talented version of a fatter Udoka.

Hairston's getting mentioned because Pop thinks he's Paul Westhead. Hairston clearly wouldn't have gotten a minute; Pop doesn't even think he should have made the team. The fact remains that he'd have been a lot more help in this game than Farmer was.

[timvp]

Thank you!

Farmer >>>>> Hariston

We need people who can put the ball in the hole right now.It's not even really a matter of who is better. Farmer is theoretically a scorer .. which is why he's getting time right now. If Pop isn't going to play Bowen for defensive purposes, he's certainly not going to play Hairston for defensive purposes. Especially when Udoka is exactly the same style of defender but with a better understanding of what the Spurs are doing and better offensively.

[Buddy Holly]

Well I hate to say it but we need to overhaul our defense now or just tank the season. We are not blocking shots, its easier to score on us than on a drunk Paris Hilton, and WTF is up with our rotations and rebounding?

Let's start analyzing everything once our actual team is healthy and complete.

[peskypesky]

Man I LOVE MASON. I didn't get to see the play cause my video feed crapped out. So it was not like the last game where Mason should have taken the shot?

it was EXACTLY like that

[boutons_]

Spurs at the bottom of the S/W division.
The old men have 4 days to rest up, or rust up, before Dallas.

[Ice009]

How nice would it have been to have someone that could have played defense?

Hairston > Farmer

And Tolliver had better be amazing in the rebounding and defense department, because the Spurs clearly don't need another three point shooting one trick pony.

I don't know about that. Hairston may have scored 0 points and we lose by more.

The only thing I agree with it Tolliver. We don't need any more one trick ponies. I'd rather Watkins if that's all Tolliver can do.

[mexicanjunior]

I made up his injury? I made up Pop's overly cautious nature? I did that?

No...you called out someone as being a "moron" for saying he should be playing when at least 5 other posters said the same thing. Besides, this pretty much explains why people think he should get some PT...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3438

Hill, who is nursing a sprained left thumb, practiced Monday and has been medically cleared to play against Phoenix on Wednesday. All that is stopping him from playing is his head coach's own trepidation, the San Antonio Express-News reports. (Oct 28)

So yeah...you pretty much showed who the "moron" was...

[Obstructed_View]

We need people who can put the ball in the hole right now.


(rebounding killed us)

Pick one, and stick to it. Farmer can't get a rebound.

[underdawg]

Man, I hope Hill is a good player. If he's a bust, I'm going to be sick for a long time.

Batum was available and we passed on him?

[lefty]

Yeah. Useless pieces of s...asha often start on NBA Championship AND gold medal teams. No one is saying he's an all-star, but he's a decent roll-player and another big would have been very helpful tonight.

Go Phil your little Jackson.

You are a peskypesky

[Trainwreck2100]

fuck that game

[SequSpur]

was tolliver available tonight? i was wondering about that earlier.. i can't deal with bonner out there at all...i instantly get chest pain, my blood pressure gets high and my tolerance is completely gone.

[JohnnySixString]

Aaaaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhhhhhh....it's all fucking over.....0-2???? It's going to be a shitty season!!!! Aaaaaaarrrghhhhhhh trade everyone!!!!

Anyway....once again they need to figure out how to play together with what they've got and somehow remember they're supposed to a defense-driven team. Allowing two teams in a row to score 100 is not a good start (hopefully this trend ends). Not enough for me to kick a puppy out the window. Yet. Oh well, time to watch Tropic Thunder for some comedy relief. Hopefully that works out better than hoping the Spurs wouldn't allow another team to score 100,lol. :rollin

[Buddy Holly]

No...you called out someone as being a "moron" for saying he should be playing when at least 5 other posters said the same thing. Besides, this pretty much explains why people think he should get some PT...

I called you a moron. I called you a moron for saying he isn't getting playing time because he's not even better than Farmer. I also called you a moron for not spelling the guys name correctly and you're still a moron because this is the second time I've spelled it out for you.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3438

Hill, who is nursing a sprained left thumb, practiced Monday and has been medically cleared to play against Phoenix on Wednesday. All that is stopping him from playing is his head coach's own trepidation, the San Antonio Express-News reports. (Oct 28)

So yeah...you pretty much showed who the "moron" was...

He's still injured and he's still being held out by Pop. How does that correlate to Farmer >> Hill therefore he gets not playing time?

Do you like looking stupid or something?

[Ice009]

It's not even really a matter of who is better. Farmer is theoretically a scorer .. which is why he's getting time right now. If Pop isn't going to play Bowen for defensive purposes, he's certainly not going to play Hairston for defensive purposes. Especially when Udoka is exactly the same style of defender but with a better understanding of what the Spurs are doing and better offensively.

LOL beautiful TiMVP. If Bruce can't even get on the court how in the heck was Hairston going to play tonight?? Our offense really bogged down there in the third quarter.

[024]

spurs defense needs to get back in sync. bowen seems to be struggling and the spurs are missing two of their bigs. mason, duncan, udoka, and hill are all very good defensive players so once oberto comes back, they should be able to keep teams in the low 90s again. i'm still concerned about the offense because finley won't be putting 16 up every night. when finley puts in 16, it should be a easy win.

[benefactor]

Pick one, and stick to it. Farmer can't get a rebound.
It really matters little. If Mason keeps it up Farmer will be cut as soon as Manu is cleared to play. By that time we should have some idea what type of player we need to add to shore up our weaknesses.

[Obstructed_View]

I don't know about that. Hairston may have scored 0 points and we lose by more.
He also might have been able to contain some of the guys that were getting loose for jumpers because nobody on the Spurs could defend them. He's a better offensive player than Bowen is, and he's a good rebounder. I don't care about ifs and buts, and I'm aware Pop wouldn't play a guy that he cut from the team; obviously he thinks Farmer and Tolliver are better, but IMO the Spurs need defenders and rebounders.

[SequSpur]

was tolliver available tonight? i was wondering about that earlier.. i can't deal with bonner out there at all...i instantly get chest pain, my blood pressure gets high and my tolerance is completely gone.

[Slippy]

13-5 offensive rebound advantage by the blazers. also a 6-14 turnover advantage. need oberto back.


Yah for 3 quarters transion D because of TO's and offensive boards hurt the Spurs.

In the 4th they stepped it up. Hardly any mistakes. Pop went with smallball keeping out Bonner/Thomas. Duncan and Tony set it up, Udoka, FIn and Mason sealed the deal with big shots. Fin should of knocked it in.

[knee-knee-3]

I didn't get to see the play . AS I said no one replied back and fucking corrected me when I asked what happened because my video feed cut out and came back with Finley missing the jumper. I made an assumption that Mason passed up a good shot again.

After watching the replay, Mason may have had a chance at a layup, but the pass to Finley was a good decision. 0-2 - big fucking deal!

[Buddy Holly]

To Sequ:

It was stated some time ago he'd miss the first two games.

[Obstructed_View]

It really matters little. If Mason keeps it up Farmer will be cut as soon as Manu is cleared to play. By that time we should have some idea what type of player we need to add to shore up our weaknesses.

By the time Manu is cleared to play, the Spurs will be 12 games out of first in the division. After two games, the type of player they need to shore up their weaknesses is a guy who can get rebounds and generate a stop every so often.

[benefactor]

was tolliver available tonight? i was wondering about that earlier.. i can't deal with bonner out there at all...i instantly get chest pain, my blood pressure gets high and my tolerance is completely gone.
No...he is still on bereavement leave. I think he could have helped more in the rebounding dept. than Matt did, but the fact is that we need another big...for the same reasons we needed one in the playoffs last year.

[ElNono]

Well I hate to say it but we need to overhaul our defense now or just tank the season. We are not blocking shots, its easier to score on us than on a drunk Paris Hilton, and WTF is up with our rotations and rebounding?

I have high hope for Ian and we look like we can score with anyone, but D is our calling card so unless we are going to become like Dallas we need to fix the D or we are an 8th seed!

Tank the season? Step off the ledge, son... We just need to get healthy

[toki9]

Batum was available and we passed on him?

No. Rumor was that we were all set to pick him and Batum was excited to be a Spur...but then the Blazers arranged a draft day trade with Houston at 25 to take Batum...we then took Hill at 26...yeah, that was painful...

[mexicanjunior]

I called you a moron. I called you a moron for saying he isn't getting playing time because he's not even better than Farmer.


You're reasoning for Hill not playing was...



Hill is injured...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108396&page=8

If you want to hang your hat on me misspelling Farmer, that's cool. Everyone makes typos but don't pretend like you are a fucking genius when you can't even see Hill could get on the floor if he showed Pop enough to deserve it...

[Obstructed_View]

LOL beautiful TiMVP. If Bruce can't even get on the court how in the heck was Hairston going to play tonight?? Our offense really bogged down there in the third quarter.

Hairston's a better offensive player than Bowen, a better rebounder, and with the way Bowen's looked after two games, it's entirely possible that Hairston's a better defender as well.

[Quiet Strength]

The spurs need to rebound better as a team. I know their defense hasn't been all that good but everytime they do get a stop they can't rebound the ball.

[benefactor]

By the time Manu is cleared to play, the Spurs will be 12 games out of first in the division. After two games, the type of player they need to shore up their weaknesses is a guy who can get rebounds and generate a stop every so often.
I don't think we will be that far back...but if we are we will have plenty of time to make up some ground. I completely agree with you on the type of player we need. When people talk about the Spurs making some kind of trade in the middle of the season its that type of player I would hope we would bring in.

[Ice009]

He also might have been able to contain some of the guys that were getting loose for jumpers because nobody on the Spurs could defend them. He's a better offensive player than Bowen is, and he's a good rebounder. I don't care about ifs and buts, and I'm aware Pop wouldn't play a guy that he cut from the team; obviously he thinks Farmer and Tolliver are better, but IMO the Spurs need defenders and rebounders.

That's the whole point. Pop wouldn't have played him tonight so it's not really worth talking about.

Watkins on the other hand. Do you think Pop would have put him out there if he was on the team?

[T Park]

arguing If the spurs were gonna draft batum or not is moot because you'll never know their true intent

[peskypesky]

You are a peskypesky

now THAT is low.

[benefactor]

That's the whole point. Pop wouldn't have played him tonight so it's not really worth talking about.

Watkins on the other hand. Do you think Pop would have put him out there if he was on the team?
As short handed as our front line is? I believe he would have had no other choice.

[Buddy Holly]

You're reasoning for Hill not playing was...

Exactly. He's injured.

Wait, you think because he's medically cleared to play and he's suited up that he's not injured. Ha, priceless!



If you want to hang your hat on me misspelling Farmer, that's cool. Everyone makes typos but don't pretend like you are a fucking genius when you can't even see Hill could get on the floor if he showed Pop enough to deserve it...

He showed enough during the preseason you gigantic wart on the collective asses of this forum.

You actually think Pop would rather have Vaughn playing instead of Hill after what he showed in the preseason?

Again, DO YOU LIKE LOOKING LIKE A STUPID ASS?

[Ice009]

After watching the replay, Mason may have had a chance at a layup, but the pass to Finley was a good decision. 0-2 - big fucking deal!

I would be less pissed off if Mason took the shot and missed.

[Obstructed_View]

That's the whole point. Pop wouldn't have played him tonight so it's not really worth talking about.

Watkins on the other hand. Do you think Pop would have put him out there if he was on the team?

Sorry, but you can't say that it's not worth talking about Hairston and then bring up Watkins, who was the first cut. If Pop doesn't want defenders then he's not going to have defenders on the team. I'm not backing away from what I've been saying since training camp that it's a mistake to choose offense over defense, particularly with so many defenders on this team getting up there in age.

[Ice009]

Bonner, Thomas and Bruce was awful. That's bad when you can say Farmer played a better game than those guys.

[ElNono]

Hairston's a better offensive player than Bowen, a better rebounder, and with the way Bowen's looked after two games, it's entirely possible that Hairston's a better defender as well.

Hairston is not a Spur. Get over it and move on.

[T Park]

You're reasoning for Hill not playing was...



http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=108396&page=8

If you want to hang your hat on me misspelling Farmer, that's cool. Everyone makes typos but don't pretend like you are a fucking genius when you can't even see Hill could get on the floor if he showed Pop enough to deserve it...

if hill had not injured himself he would be playing thinking he's not playing because pop doesn't think he's good is inaccurate

[underdawg]

It really matters little. If Mason keeps it up Farmer will be cut as soon as Manu is cleared to play. By that time we should have some idea what type of player we need to add to shore up our weaknesses.

why not cut him now and possibly bring in Watkins or a another big to help out? No one knows how Watkins would do in the reg season, but I think it's going to become a theme of the Spurs having problems with interior help again with Thomas and even a healthy Oberto. Hopefully, Ian is useful but as much as everybody loves Oberto I think he's the same liability that Thomas is on quicker big men. I understand it's only 2 games, but defense seems to be our weakness right now more than scoring.

[Obstructed_View]

Hairston is not a Spur. Get over it and move on.

This is a discussion board. Get over it or go somewhere else.

[T Park]

Bonner, Thomas and Bruce was awful. That's bad when you can say Farmer played a better game than those guys.

I thought farmer was horrible don't know what you were watching

[timvp]

Hairston's a better offensive player than Bowen, a better rebounder, and with the way Bowen's looked after two games, it's entirely possible that Hairston's a better defender as well.Hairston was so good he had half the NBA claim him off waivers.

Oh wait . . .

[Obstructed_View]

Farmer made a basket, so in the current philosophy that makes him super awesome.

[peskypesky]

It really matters little. If Mason keeps it up Farmer will be cut as soon as Manu is cleared to play. By that time we should have some idea what type of player we need to add to shore up our weaknesses.

we need the same thing we've needed for years. another athletic big man who can help Duncan. oberto's return will help, but thomas looks like he may be ineffective....please, basketball gods, let the spurs trade for a good big man.

[Obstructed_View]

Hairston was so good he had half the NBA claim him off waivers.

Oh wait . . .

Yet he's still a better defender than three or four of the guys on this team have been through two games.

[Ice009]

Sorry, but you can't say that it's not worth talking about Hairston and then bring up Watkins, who was the first cut. If Pop doesn't want defenders then he's not going to have defenders on the team. I'm not backing away from what I've been saying since training camp that it's a mistake to choose offense over defense, particularly with so many defenders on this team getting up there in age.

I bring it up because we need bigs more than shooting guards. Hairston has Bruce and Ime in front of him, two players that Pop would consider superior defenders. Mason too.

Watkins on the other hand can probably do some stuff none of the other bigs on our team can do. That's why I bring it up. Hairston is not that big of a need.

[ElNono]

We just played 2 teams with athletic frontcourts exactly at the worst time, when our frontcourt is thin due to injuries and other external factors. Oberto should be back next week and hopefully Tolliver will be back too. We also have Ian coming back soon.

[underdawg]

arguing If the spurs were gonna draft batum or not is moot because you'll never know their true intent

Even Portland initially thought Batum would play in the D-League - why can't our FO get their crap together and start evaluating players by using their time machine.

[Slippy]

Sorry, but you can't say that it's not worth talking about Hairston and then bring up Watkins, who was the first cut. If Pop doesn't want defenders then he's not going to have defenders on the team. I'm not backing away from what I've been saying since training camp that it's a mistake to choose offense over defense, particularly with so many defenders on this team getting up there in age.

It's not worth talking about because Pop as the game went on wanted scoring tonight. Hairston like Bowen wouldn't have seen the light of day in the 4th.

[Quiet Strength]

we need the same thing we've needed for years. another athletic big man who can help Duncan. oberto's return will help, but thomas looks like he may be ineffective....please, basketball gods, let the spurs trade for a good big man.


Thomas looked like he had trouble moving at all. It was horrible watching him out there. But I totally agree.. the spurs need another athletic big man who can help duncan defend the paint and rebound the ball.

[ElNono]

This is a discussion board. Get over it or go somewhere else.

River in Egypt...

[peskypesky]

We just played 2 teams with athletic frontcourts exactly at the worst time, when our frontcourt is thin due to injuries and other external factors. Oberto should be back next week and hopefully Tolliver will be back too. We also have Ian coming back soon.

will there be room on the roster for Ian?

[Buddy Holly]

We just played 2 teams with athletic frontcourts exactly at the worst time, when our frontcourt is thin due to injuries and other external factors. Oberto should be back next week and hopefully Tolliver will be back too. We also have Ian coming back soon.

Exactly. A lot of people can't see things past their hands when it comes to the Spurs.

[tlongII]

The Spurs shot the ball extremely well. We were lucky to take that game with the way the Spurs were shooting. The Spurs need help on the front line though. That is obvious. That's why I thought your FO was retarded on draft day.

[mexicanjunior]

Exactly. He's injured.

Wait, you think because he's medically cleared to play and he's suited up that he's not injured. Ha, priceless!



He showed enough during the preseason you gigantic wart on the collective asses of this forum.

You actually think Pop would rather have Vaughn playing instead of Hill after what he showed in the preseason?

Again, DO YOU LIKE LOOKING LIKE A STUPID ASS?

If refutting your idiotic statements with facts and links is considered "looking like a stupid ass", I guess I will take it. Hill played what...2 preseason games? He showed he could play some decent defense and could make a jumpshot every once in awhile. Do you really think that will make Pop trust him enough to play him over Vaughn? If you really think Hill is too injured to play and Pop just doesn't trust him to perform...there is no point debating you, it's a lost cause. Congrats on being so inside man...your takes are gold. :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The Spurs shot the ball extremely well. We were lucky to take that game with the way the Spurs were shooting. The Spurs need help on the front line though. That is obvious. That's why I thought your FO was retarded on draft day.

Thanks for not gloating.

Batum looked awesome for you guys.

[peskypesky]

The Spurs need help on the front line though. That is obvious. That's why I thought your FO was retarded on draft day.

Thank you. :toast

[Obstructed_View]

It's not worth talking about because Pop as the game went on wanted scoring tonight. Hairston like Bowen wouldn't have seen the light of day in the 4th.

Since you clearly didn't read what I posted, I'll post it again:

If Pop doesn't want defenders then he's not going to have defenders on the team. I'm not backing away from what I've been saying since training camp that it's a mistake to choose offense over defense, particularly with so many defenders on this team getting up there in age.

Nothing that's happened in two games has swayed me from that belief.

[Quiet Strength]

Do you really think that will make Pop trust him enough to play him over Vaughn?

Pop would be stupid in my opinion to not play him over vaughn. Vaughn doesn't do anything out there.. its pointless having him on the court.

[Obstructed_View]

will there be room on the roster for Ian?

Ian's on the roster.

[mexicanjunior]

if hill had not injured himself he would be playing thinking he's not playing because pop doesn't think he's good is inaccurate

There is no guarantee of that...he could have played himself out of the rotation entirely by reverting back to his summer league form for all we know. It's not like the Spurs weren't actively looking for insurance to cover his role on the team (Pargo, Stoudamire). If Pop was really as high on him as some of you people think, he would have played tonight...

[ElNono]

I think the story with Hill right now is that he's learning, and also Tony needs to play many minutes out there until Manu comes back. When Manu comes back, the offense will be more balanced and Tony will be able to rest more, along with TD and then Hill will get his chances.

Patience guys. We're shorthanded right now. I'm actually impressed with the effort overall, and that we had our chances to tie or win in both games. Even a guy that gives you 2 more points or 2 more rebounds can make a difference right now. That's why I think somebody like Oberto coming back to take Bonner minutes will help.

[mexicanjunior]

Pop would be stupid in my opinion to not play him over vaughn. Vaughn doesn't do anything out there.. its pointless having him on the court.

Hence my point about him not being good enough to come off the bench in the first place...he is not as injured as some would lead you to believe around here.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Since you clearly didn't read what I posted, I'll post it again:

If Pop doesn't want defenders then he's not going to have defenders on the team. I'm not backing away from what I've been saying since training camp that it's a mistake to choose offense over defense, particularly with so many defenders on this team getting up there in age.

Nothing that's happened in two games has swayed me from that belief.

But couldn't you argue that Pop may have felt the Spurs were always solid defensively this past season (though their defensive FG% was kinda shaky in my opinion) and that maybe it was time to go for more offense?

I don't think even he predicted the Spurs to be this poor defensively coming out of the gate. If Bowen truly has lost a step, I think that was something the team isn't quite ready for, as Udoka isn't exactly Bowen-Lite just yet.

[Obstructed_View]

There is no guarantee of that...he could have played himself out of the rotation entirely by reverting back to his summer league form for all we know. It's not like the Spurs weren't actively looking for insurance to cover his role on the team (Pargo, Stoudamire). If Pop was really as high on him as some of you people think, he would have played tonight...

If Hill still has the brace on his hand, Pop may not be wanting to take a chance on getting him hurt, particularly with Oberto and Tolliver out. Vaughn hasn't been bad and Parker's been amazing. The Spurs can ride Parker for a couple more games until Hill's closer to 100 percent.

[angelbelow]

i dont regret the none timeout.. pretty fun game to watch... until the end..

[ElNono]

Since you clearly didn't read what I posted, I'll post it again:

If Pop doesn't want defenders then he's not going to have defenders on the team. I'm not backing away from what I've been saying since training camp that it's a mistake to choose offense over defense, particularly with so many defenders on this team getting up there in age.

Nothing that's happened in two games has swayed me from that belief.

We pretty much always stared slow on defense, and improve as the season goes on. I think the offense stands out now because it was unthinkable to score 90+ without your leading scorer. But TD and TP are in great shape and Mason has been great. And BTW, even if he missed that last shot, Findog played a good game.

[Slippy]

Since you clearly didn't read what I posted, I'll post it again:

If Pop doesn't want defenders then he's not going to have defenders on the team. I'm not backing away from what I've been saying since training camp that it's a mistake to choose offense over defense, particularly with so many defenders on this team getting up there in age.

Nothing that's happened in two games has swayed me from that belief.


Im not trying to change your belief. I Fail to see the relevance in a game thread where the coach wouldn't have had any use for Hairston. I could see the reason's he went with Farmer.

[mexicanjunior]

If Hill still has the brace on his hand, Pop may not be wanting to take a chance on getting him hurt

I guess we will see but I recall comments stating Hill could have even played the last preseason game...that was over a week ago. I believe, if Pop thought he could help his team win, Hill would have been out there...at least for spot duty and some hustle on defense (which they needed badly).

[androck]

Have you guys checked the box score? Tim played 42 minutes tonight. I'm glad we have 4 days until the Mavs.

[Obstructed_View]

But couldn't you argue that Pop may have felt the Spurs were always solid defensively this past season (though their defensive FG% was kinda shaky in my opinion) and that maybe it was time to go for more offense?
I think that's probably a fair observation, but it doesn't change my belief that it was a mistake. The team was thin on the front line, yet the Spurs committed to several smaller offense oriented guards (Mason, Farmer, Stoudamire) and even an offense oriented forward in order to cover his bets, while ignoring the much greater odds that a 38 year old forward might not be as quick or durable as he'd been over the past several years and might expose the lack of shot blocking once people got past him. Scary that we're all looking forward to the return of Oberto so we can have some size and defense on the team.

[underdawg]

Thank you. :toast

I guess when you criticize the FO, you have to consider a few things:
-Have they been a good FO? Were they successful? Are they successful? Have they outperformed the rest of the league?
-Is there other potential FO personnel that could outperform the current FO? Are their decisions so bad that you feel that your small amount of knowledge & experience regarding team personnel is superior to their vastly larger amount of knowlege & experience?

[Buddy Holly]

If refutting your idiotic statements with facts and links is considered "looking like a stupid ass",

Thinking you refuted anything is one of the many aspects of how you make yourself look stupid, you ass.


Hill played what...2 preseason games?

Three.



He showed he could play some decent defense and could make a jumpshot every once in awhile.

9-20 shooting in 3 games, 4-9 from the three.

That's every once and in a while?

That's 45% shooting and 44% from the arc.


Do you really think that will make Pop trust him enough to play him over Vaughn?

Yes, you complete jackass. It also doesn't hurt that in his first NBA game he recorded 5 steals.


If you really think Hill is too injured to play and Pop just doesn't trust him to perform...there is no point debating you,

I never said he's too injured. I'd love to see him play. I was hoping Pop would put him in today. But it's understandable why he hasn't.


it's a lost cause.

Is that your family's motto?


Congrats on being so inside man...your takes are gold. :lol

:rollin

[Buddy Holly]

If Hill still has the brace on his hand, Pop may not be wanting to take a chance on getting him hurt, particularly with Oberto and Tolliver out. Vaughn hasn't been bad and Parker's been amazing. The Spurs can ride Parker for a couple more games until Hill's closer to 100 percent.

Please try not to argue commonsense with the dummy. It's like what garlic is to Vampires.