Is there a God?

[Party troll]

Looks like I finally found the party. :toast

[Phenomanul]

Odd that MH's current post count stands at 666.

:lmao

[MiamiHeat]

If the key to deciphering hieroglyphs was only "recently" discovered how did a society 2,000 years ago even know about Egyptian Myths that orginated about 3,000 years before their own time? .

:bang:bang

yeah, you're a worthless troll.

ok. so angel_luv is the only real christian in this whole thread. the rest is just us and some trolls.

[Phenomanul]

:bang:bang

my....brain.....can't.....take.....the........trol ling.......anymore


actually, I can take all of it, but this is getting ridiculous


are you really this stupid or just trolling?

Just trolling apparently....

Of course you'll claim that all evidence was burned down by the Roman Conquest of Egyptian lands. Or by the fire that took out the Library at Alexandria.

[MiamiHeat]

I won't claim anything because you are a fucking piece of shit troll wasting people's time.

you fail miserably.

[clambake]

don't you understand that he's had the good book pounded in his head since he could crawl?

[MiamiHeat]

anyway, this is for the 20 members viewing the thread -

SOME ENTERTAINMENT that's topic related! woo!

jHH5qeA5S54

Titled "Signs from Heaven"

[2centsworth]

..... I mean you were so giddy at the thought that deriding an honest grammatical error of mine actually meant something.

It's too bad the personal life coach doesn't seek help for his unhappiness.

Here is how he responded to Viva when Viva poked fun of how B2B spelled truly.


I forgot to put

"after Viva"

at the end of my thread title.

You're right up there pal. Grammar jabs....:lmao....never been done before.



dude is a joke.

[ramen]

This topic has me boiling

[2centsworth]

It went a little something like this :



4) Facts, sources posted to prove the argument is true. Extra Stout slapped in the mouth and proven wrong.


:lmao:lmaoyou used wiki to refute a "source document"
you're precious.

[Neutral Guy]

This is a close debate, I am not sure who to side with on this one.

[MiamiHeat]

jHH5qeA5S54

[compton crackhead]

god don't live in the hood.

[MiamiHeat]

Lol

[tlongII]

Wow that was easy!

I didn't realize you would fall so quickly.

If the key to deciphering hieroglyphs was only "recently" discovered how did a society 2,000 years ago even know about Egyptian Myths that orginated about 3,000 years before their own time? How did they manage to presumably steal "so many elements" from a myth they couldn't even read or understand? How did 12 humble fishermen even manage to do this? And if it were common knowledge to the Hebrews how come allusions to these myths aren't found in the Hebrew canon?

Thanks for playing.

Don't load your gun too quickly or it may backfire.

Next you're going to try and convince us that King David didn't exist.

Ok, now I really have to go.

Actually that's not a very good argument given that the Roman Empire existed concurrently with a Pharoah-led Egypt. Egyptian myths could have very easily been communicated orally at the time.

[MiamiHeat]

tlongII, just to let you know, there are trolls in this thread that just want you to argue :P he's one of them

he's not that stupid

[jack sommerset]

tlongII, just to let you know, there are trolls in this thread that just want you to argue :P he's one of them

he's not that stupid

I disagree. He is stupid.

[BULLSHIT]

Besides, who can keep up with all the pages? Particularly when the trolls have interjected the thread with one liner tangential posts of their own... posts that have only derailed the thread


Maybe you should start reading on page 5 and then you decide who derailed the topic.

A few quotes from the posters in this topic.[/quote.


Mm. these seasoned fries are delicious.



don't get your atheist panties in a bunch.


I prayed to god for UT to beat Texas Tech in college football this year, so I'm left with two possible conclusions:

1. God doesn't exist
2. God is a bastard who likes to fuck with people's emotions

Going with #2 for now. He can make it up to me by giving me a Colts Super Bowl.


There is only one god, my god and his name is Corso.


I am not a Troll but I can see you are. Thanks for the History lesson.

Wow, I think someone's just a little bit bitter about their spiritual journey more then anything


Let me get this straight

You believe in Jesus but you idolize Tony Montana as your avatar?

haha. such dishonesty in people's hearts.


This topic makes 9/11 look like a fire drill.


Your God : I WILL PUNISH YOU FOR ETERNITY - THROW YOU IN HELL TO BE TORTURED AND BURNED IN FLAMES FOREVER!!
But I still love you!"
Come on. Use your brain.
Don't post to me anymore, Tony Montana loving "Christian" boy. Go idolize a movie that is about a criminal who commits murder for money and deals drugs.

At least your friends will think you are 'cool'


Seems like your still upset mommy didn't get you that XBox you wanted.


more quotes later
:wakeup

[jack sommerset]

The Story of Moses is another gay ass one.The thing about the Moses BS is that its historically specific to a timeline in Egypt yet no evidence of a adopted prince exist. Also no record of high number of slaves leaving or any evidence of a plague killing the first born child. A disease that kills the first born. Come on now believers. I guess if a man living in a whale for 3 days wont persuade you a disease that kills the first born won't either. The evil doers must have dispose of the evidence. Satan himself made all the records disapear. Yet another test for the cults faith. Believe,Believe,Believe ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :lmao

[MiamiHeat]

T or any evidence of a plague killing the first born child. A disease that kills the first born. Come on now believers.

[Phenomanul]

Actually that's not a very good argument given that the Roman Empire existed concurrently with a Pharoah-led Egypt. Egyptian myths could have very easily been communicated orally at the time.

So why did the Romans not document the Egyptian language (hieroglyphs in particular)? They were avid historians, were they not? We literally needed the discovery of the Rosetta stone centuries later, to help modern historians figure out what the hell all those symbols meant.

That's also why Joseph Smith's attempted translation of the "Lost Book of Abraham" (really just a set of random Egyptian papyrus scrolls) seriously backfired on the credibility of the Mormon movement. When he bought them off of traveling merchants, he figured it would help him gain religious prestige to claim to 'read' a language that no one else could understand. He took advantage of the circumstance and introduced a series of forged doctrines that no one else could validate, much less counter.... That is until the English translation of the Rosetta Stone was published in 1858 by the Philomathean Society of the University of Pennsylvania.

That still doesn't address why these myths don't show up anywhere in the Hebrew canon or in any of their historian's accounts.

[tlongII]

So why did the Romans not document the Egyptian language (hieroglyphs in particular)? They were avid historians, were they not? We literally needed the discovery of the Rosetta stone centuries later, to help modern historians figure out what the hell all those symbols meant.

That's also why Joseph Smith's attempted translation of the "Lost Book of Abraham" (really just a set of random Egyptian papyrus scrolls) seriously backfired on the credibility of the Mormon movement. When he bought them off of traveling merchants, he figured it would help him gain religious prestige to claim to 'read' a language that no one else could understand. He took advantage of the circumstance and introduced a series of forged doctrines that no one else could validate, much less counter.... That is until the English translation of the Rosetta Stone was published in 1858 by the Philomathean Society of the University of Pennsylvania.

That still doesn't address why these myths don't show up anywhere in the Hebrew canon or in any of their historian's accounts.

You're losing me here. Why would they need to document Egyptian language? They clearly communicated with each other. That is part of recorded history.

[Winehole23]

Reading about somewhere else, I happened upon this...

""Imagine the people who believe such things and who are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written. And it is these ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us, who would make themselves the guides and leaders of us all; who would force their feeble and childish beliefs on us; who would invade our schools and libraries and homes. I personally resent it bitterly..."

-Isaac AsimovThis shotgun hits posters on all sides of the issue.

Touche', DarkReign.

[MiamiHeat]

You do understand that Isaac Asimov considered himself an atheist, and the 'childish beliefs' he is talking about are belief in boogiemen who send you to heaven/hell when you die?

Even Asimov knew about the 'findings of thinking minds', some of those findings posted in this thread.

somehow you twist that meaning to 'both sides'

Disgraceful. The shotgun is aimed directly at christian faces.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Asimov was a great science fiction writer.

[Blake]

Good morning.

Glad to see God has given this thread everlasting life.

[MiamiHeat]

Asimov was a great science fiction writer.

Just like the authors of the bible.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Just like the authors of the bible.

Minus the robots.

[MiamiHeat]

Some people say Jesus was an alien. I would think he had many robots.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Some people say Jesus was an alien. I would think he had many robots.

12, if I recall correctly.

[Blake]

12, if I recall correctly.

except one went haywire and ratted Jesus out, right before destroying it's own hard drive

[I Love Me Some Me]

The Story of Moses is another gay ass one.The thing about the Moses BS is that its historically specific to a timeline in Egypt yet no evidence of a adopted prince exist. Also no record of high number of slaves leaving or any evidence of a plague killing the first born child. A disease that kills the first born. Come on now believers. I guess if a man living in a whale for 3 days wont persuade you a disease that kills the first born won't either. The evil doers must have dispose of the evidence. Satan himself made all the records disapear. Yet another test for the cults faith. Believe,Believe,Believe ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :lmao

Ipuwer papyrus.

[MiamiHeat]

My religion beats your fake religion by a few thousand years.

Osiris-Re > Jesus

[Blake]

My religion beats your fake religion by a few thousand years.

Osiris-Re > Jesus

My favorite NBA franchise beats your fake franchise by a few thousand years.

Manu > Wade

[MiamiHeat]

My favorite NBA franchise beats your fake franchise by a few thousand years.

Manu > Wade

thousand? at least fix it!

[I Love Me Some Me]

My religion beats your fake religion by a few thousand years.

Osiris-Re > Jesus

Read The Plagues of Egypt: Archaeology, History, and Science Look at the Bible by a molecular biologist named Siro Igino Trevisanato.

Interesting book.

[RandomGuy]

Magicians?

Seriously?

Why not?

Either they bring up valid points or not. They could be plumbers, or priests, or fish squeezers. Their points would be the same.

[RandomGuy]

This is a close debate, I am not sure who to side with on this one.

Flip a coin, says random guy to neutral guy.

[MiamiHeat]

I Love Me Some Me, egyptologists everywhere believe jews were influenced by already existing egyptian happenings and tales. these influences made it into the writings of their texts.

this is the belief of the overwhelming majority of experts.

[DarkReign]

You do understand that Isaac Asimov considered himself an atheist, and the 'childish beliefs' he is talking about are belief in boogiemen who send you to heaven/hell when you die?

Even Asimov knew about the 'findings of thinking minds', some of those findings posted in this thread.

somehow you twist that meaning to 'both sides'

Disgraceful. The shotgun is aimed directly at christian faces.

You really dont know what youre talking about. Asmiov was no athiest, he just despised organized religion. Big difference.

Asimov's Guide to the Bible (http://www.amazon.com/Asimovs-Guide-Bible-Historical-Testaments/dp/051734582X)

In this book, he treats the Bible subject matter without bias or theological perspective. He only points to the historical referencing, the setting and known political climates of the time (as best as we know anyway).

But I am quite sure you'll find a way to "win" here as well.

Youre a typical buffoon, MH. Whether smart or not, doesnt bely or excuse your incongruent dismissal of any perspective running counter to yours. You were right before you ever posted in this thread, you won before an argument was made, youre going to win no matter what anyone says.

You, the talking monkey and his kalidescope eyes, choose to engage the most odd conglomerate of individuals around this forum on a subject that has quite literally been beaten to death....20x over.

So youre running out of other monkeys to play with you, yet you somehow see this as victory.

It isnt victory, douchebag. Its impatience with the entire argument.

What you passed off on my first post in this thread as "happy go lucky bullshit" was the reality of where these arguments end when you have willing participants on both sides to reach an end. Great, you found like-minded individuals to prop yourself up and give credence to your argument.

If that is the measure of victory, then your side is vastly outnumbered by "believers".

There is a way to question the histocrity of the Bible and its conclusions, then there is a way to just be a douchebag.

You know, you surprisingly write/argue like whottt. You win before the argument even starts by way of self-purported intellectual dominance.

LOL @ sourcing Wikipedia. That is amusing to say the least. Did you edit the page just before you linked it, orrrr....

Its funny, I am a pure as day athiest as they come, and even used the exact same reference you used a loooong time ago here. I seen that documentary too, most here did.

It does not change anything. You have not changed anyone's mind. In reality, you never will. Not even one, ever. Just as they cant change yours, yet I dont see the religious even trying in this thread.

Draw whatever conclusions you prefer, I am sure it ends with me being ignorant and you being smart. Really, I dont give a shit. Youre another name on a computer screen, nothing more. I assign little value to members like yourself....you never had any intention of having a discussion, you only intended to step on a soapbox. It isnt the first time and I am sure it wont be the last.

[I Love Me Some Me]

I Love Me Some Me, egyptologists everywhere believe jews were influenced by already existing egyptian happenings and tales. these influences made it into the writings of their texts.

this is the belief of the overwhelming majority of experts.

Read The Plagues of Egypt: Archaeology, History, and Science Look at the Bible by a molecular biologist named Siro Igino Trevisanato.

[JoeChalupa]

Just curious. What do you B2B and MH think about Bill Maher's Religulous? Is the "documentary" biased, sensationalist, with a dash of fear-mongering?
IMO, it presents no more than what people like B2B and MH, who are already critical of religion's role in society, already know.
It just tries to do it in a humorous way.

[MiamiHeat]

“Thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian; because thou wast a stranger in his land.”

(Deuteronomy 23;7)

[Winehole23]

You do understand that Isaac Asimov considered himself an atheist, and the 'childish beliefs' he is talking about are belief in boogiemen who send you to heaven/hell when you die?Yeah, I read sci-fi, and am thoroughly familiar with Asimov. I agree with your gloss


Even Asimov knew about the 'findings of thinking minds', some of those findings posted in this thread.You don't seem to.


somehow you twist that meaning to 'both sides' I think it hits both sides. It sprays like a shotgun. Asimov may have aimed it at the religious, but in DR's hands it hits the likes of you.


Disgraceful. The shotgun is aimed directly at christian faces.You're the collateral damage bud. You 'are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written.' Even for Asimov, that roster would include more than a few religious people.

You're the biggest zealot in this thread, MH. You beg your own premises. Then you seek to impose them on others, not by argument or suasion, but by brute repetition. You demand answers from everyone but give none yourself. Any countervailing POV you brazenly dismiss, but you do not even bother to argue for your own, in your own words.

You say your opinion rests on science, but all you've done is cut and paste without regard to the quality of your sources. You say believers are oppressive and intolerant, but you're more intolerant and overbearing than all of them.(In this thread, ok, not in all of Christendom.) You lead and badger all the witnesses, instead of having a discussion with them.

You play the devil's advocate MH. Too bad you lack the learning and charm to do it very well.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Just curious. What do you B2B and MH think about Bill Maher's Religulous? Is the "documentary" biased, sensationalist, with a dash of fear-mongering?
IMO, it presents no more than what people like B2B and MH, who are already critical of religion's role in society, already know.
It just tries to do it in a humorous way.

I think it'd be interesting to find what conclusion a truly undecided, unbiased person would come to if presented with the best evidence on both sides of the argument.

It's impossible for anyone on either side of the argument to say that they are viewing everything with a truly open mind.

[MiamiHeat]

You really dont know what youre talking about. Asmiov was no athiest, he just despised organized religion. Big difference.

Asimov's Guide to the Bible (http://www.amazon.com/Asimovs-Guide-Bible-Historical-Testaments/dp/051734582X)

In this book, he treats the Bible subject matter without bias or theological perspective. He only points to the historical referencing, the setting and known political climates of the time (as best as we know anyway).

“I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow, it was better to say one was a humanist or an agnostic. I finally decided that I'm a creature of emotion as well as of reason. Emotionally, I am an atheist. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time.”
- Isaac Asimov (http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/i_am_an_atheist-out_and_out-it_took_me_a_long/334134.html)


“If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul.”
- Isaac Asimov (http://en.thinkexist.com/quotation/if_i_were_not_an_atheist-i_would_believe_in_a_god/339086.html)


You should read what he wrote about creationism.

[MiamiHeat]

You're the collateral damage bud. You 'are not ashamed to ignore, totally, all the patient findings of thinking minds through all the centuries since the Bible was written.' Even for Asimov, that roster would include more than a few religious people.

Religious belief requires the absence of 'thinking minds'

[I Love Me Some Me]

You should read what he wrote about creationism.

And robots.

[MiamiHeat]

I have not seen the Bill Maher thing you asked. No idea. I will watch it though. I don't really like Bill Maher, to be honest with you.

[Blake]

Religious belief requires the absence of 'thinking minds'

ok dude, I think youve made your point. Faith = dumb.

The horse has been beaten so hard that even the flies have given up

[MiamiHeat]

It's not 'my' point though. You know it too

[JoeChalupa]

I guess they are not the movie types.

[MiamiHeat]

I guess they are not the movie types.

i am a big time movie type. I just haven't seen bill maher's movie/docu/whatever it is. I said I don't like Bill Maher. i'll watch it though

what was YOUR take on that video ?

[Winehole23]

Religious belief requires the absence of 'thinking minds'I assume you're quoting yourself. Is this truth self-evident too? Begging the question again, MH?

"No true Scotsman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman)..."

[MiamiHeat]

I am quoting Elvis.

[MiamiHeat]

And robots.

definitely. creationism debate ...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

robots on the other hand......

[Blake]

It's not 'my' point though. You know it too

ok, youve made "a" point.

But it wasn't until the 56th time I re-read your rant that it finally sank in that Christians are stupid and atheists are all members of mensa.

[JoeChalupa]

I have not seen the Bill Maher thing you asked. No idea. I will watch it though. I don't really like Bill Maher, to be honest with you.

cool

[JoeChalupa]

i am a big time movie type. I just haven't seen bill maher's movie/docu/whatever it is. I said I don't like Bill Maher. i'll watch it though

what was YOUR take on that video ?

It's a good watch, even though it leaves out a lot of hard-lined arguments that perhaps I would have liked to see included. But I'm a believer so I dismissed it as unfounded rhetoric.
________

[MiamiHeat]

i just noticed this thread beat the quattro razor thread

wow

[JoeChalupa]

i just noticed this thread beat the quattro razor thread

wow

:lmao

[MiamiHeat]

lol :) it was fun until the troll quality went downhill

[Winehole23]

BTW, thanks for propelling this thread clear of the quattro razor magnitude. That was classic. Kudos!


We couldn't have done it without you, MiamiHeat.

[MiamiHeat]

was fun ;)

let's keep it going though, we aren't done yet.....simpleton. :lol

[JoeChalupa]

I believe we can do that.

[DarkReign]

i just noticed this thread beat the quattro razor thread

wow

Free Quattro Razor (18)

[Homeland Security]

There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet.

[TheQuattro]

Free Quattro Razor (18)

+1

[Winehole23]

was fun ;)

let's keep it going though, we aren't done yet.....simpleton. :lolYou gave up before you even started.

You settled on yourself and called it wisdom for everybody.


It's a dick move, really, but your perseverance binds you to it. Bravo, MH!

[smeagol]

Religious belief requires the absence of 'thinking minds'

Go read something from GK Chesterton before you spew out stupid statements such as this one.

[Winehole23]

lol :) it was fun until the troll quality went downhillWhile yours just lies there like a dead person and starts to smell. You began and ended with the same undead irony, the same impeccable know nothing self-love. At least you're consistent, MH.

So you collected a few zombies here. Good luck with that, Zombie-Master. I hear contact is risky.

In the end, perhaps like attracts like.

[jack sommerset]

While yours just lies there like a dead person and starts to smell. You began and ended with the same undead irony, the same impeccable know nothing self-love. At least you're consistent, MH.

So you collected a few zombies here. Good luck with that, Zombie-Master. I hear contact is risky.

In the end, perhaps like attracts like.

HAHAHAHA....Zombies are those church gatherers handing money over to them believing all the shit they Spew. Quit trying to bait him with condescending bull shit.

Someone mentioned Bill Maher. No doubt this guy is over the top and insulting towards religion but what gets this guy the most and should all of you how hypocritical these religious freaks are. The Priest who teaches the 10 comandments only to suck on the alter boys cock in confession. The leader of a church asking everyone put there money in the basket to help the needy only to go out and buy a 10 million dollar house. The Politician who uses religion to help him get nomiated so he can bust pimps,hookers and johns the whole time fucking call girls.Rev Haggard smoking crack and paying for gay sex. Religious leaders having sex,marrying the kids in there flock. So many examples of religious hypocrites. Thats what Bill Maher hates most about these cults.

The best is when these religious nuts forgive these sinners and the "zombies" follow them all over again.

[Blake]

now we are going with zombie smack?

I'm not sure, but I think this thread now has everything.

[I Love Me Some Me]

Someone mentioned Bill Maher. No doubt this guy is over the top and insulting towards religion but what gets this guy the most and should all of you how hypocritical these religious freaks are. The Priest who teaches the 10 comandments only to suck on the alter boys cock in confession. The leader of a church asking everyone put there money in the basket to help the needy only to go out and buy a 10 million dollar house. The Politician who uses religion to help him get nomiated so he can bust pimps,hookers and johns the whole time fucking call girls.Rev Haggard smoking crack and paying for gay sex. Religious leaders having sex,marrying the kids in there flock. So many examples of religious hypocrites. Thats what Bill Maher hates most about these cults.


Then your problem is not with the religion, it is with the people who commit heinous acts while claiming to be religious.

[Winehole23]

HAHAHAHA....Zombies are those church gatherers handing money over to them believing all the shit they Spew. Quit trying to bait him with condescending bull shit.Yeah, you're right, but what can I do? MH pisses me off. I can't resist taunting the biggest bully. It's a personal fault for sure. Passion overcomes good sense at times.



The best is when these religious nuts forgive these sinners and the "zombies" follow them all over again.You seem to think the way of belief makes everything light and easy to bear.

I've got news for you jack summerset, it doesn't.

[Zombie.]

now we are going with zombie smack?

I'm not sure, but I think this thread now has everything.

Leave me out of this lame thread. :rolleyes

[baseline bum]

Then your problem is not with the religion, it is with the people who commit heinous acts while claiming to be religious.

So then you have no problem with Islam?

[jack sommerset]

You seem to think the way of belief makes everything light and easy to bear.

I've got news for you jack summerset, it doesn't.

It makes it easier for some religions that commit theft,molestation,murder,rape, whatever law or "sin" they break becuase they will say "Jesus died for my sins and if God can forgive me so can you"

Say 12 marys, kiss my hand and put 50 bones in the bin and all forgiven here on earth. It without question makes everything light and easier to bear.

[I Love Me Some Me]

So then you have no problem with Islam?

Yes, I do.

[baseline bum]

Yes, I do.

But it's not Islam killing our troops in Iraq or taking down the WTC, it's people using it for political gain, right?

[I Love Me Some Me]

But it's not Islam killing our troops in Iraq or taking down the WTC, it's people using it for political gain, right?

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but I would say it's probably some of both. I think the American side is heavily weighted in political gain, but the "terror" side is heavily weighted in Islam.

[baseline bum]

What's the difference between the Quran saying to kill infidels and the Bible saying the same?

[Winehole23]

Say 12 marys, kiss my hand and put 50 bones in the bin and all forgiving here on earth. It without question makes everything light and easier to bear.If your belief requires you to make a clean breast of your conscience to your confessor on some kind of routine basis, that is the easy way?

It only looks that way from the outside.

[Boris]

I think about God when I'm toasted.

[I Love Me Some Me]

What's the difference between the Quran saying to kill infidels and the Bible saying the same?

They don't say the same. Look at the words attributed to Mohammed and the words attributed to Jesus.

Mohammed repeatedly advocates the use of violence, saying things like:

- "Know that paradise is under the shade of swords."
- "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem"
- "My livelihood is under the shade of my spear, and he who disobeys my orders will be humiliated"

While Jesus condemned to use of violence in his teachings:
- "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword."
- "I say unto you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."
- "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you"

Never does Jesus advocate violence to spread his message.

[jack sommerset]

Then your problem is not with the religion, it is with the people who commit heinous acts while claiming to be religious.

My "problem" (just agreeing with Bill Maher) with the examples I gave are with both.Religion because they had followers, used God, Jesus ,Allah whoever to get people to do what they wanted,follow them,in some cases even forgive them and do it all over again plus I have a problem with the heinous acts they committed such as rape,murder,molestation,etc.......

Not a heinous act: Married couples who under "God" take there vows only to break them. Or take them so literally the women is home cooking,cleaning obeying her husband to the point she has no life in some cases being beaten. I know some people will say thats her choice but is it? These kids grow up beliving the non sense they heard in church and think this what they have to do because "God" wants it that way and are scared if they don't. The person or persons who give money to charity even know they or there families need the money to eat. Those people who constantly are taken advantaged of,not sticking up for themselves because they believe in the story of Job.


On just religion ,if you go to church and follow the bible that ur business. In alot of area the bible is a good moral compass of life to go by but they are storys passed on from author to author from generation to generation with very very very very very very little truth if any at all.

[Winehole23]

I'm skeptical of believers, not belief.

[MiamiHeat]

They don't say the same. Look at the words attributed to Mohammed and the words attributed to Jesus.

Mohammed repeatedly advocates the use of violence, saying things like:

- "Know that paradise is under the shade of swords."
- "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem"
- "My livelihood is under the shade of my spear, and he who disobeys my orders will be humiliated"

While Jesus condemned to use of violence in his teachings:
- "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword."
- "I say unto you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."
- "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you"

Never does Jesus advocate violence to spread his message.

Nice try leaving out the Old Testament.

"Eye for Eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot" (Exodus 21:24-25)

Kill any children who curse or hit their parents. (Exodus 21:15)

Any person or animal who touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death (Exodus19:12-13)

"The Lord is a man of war." (Exodus 15:3)


"'Thus saith the Lord of Hosts : I remember that which Amalek did to Israel. how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1st Sam 15:2-3)


God threatens to kill Abimelech and his people for believing Abe's lie. (Genesis 20:3-7)


God kills Judah's firstborn, then Onan is told to have sex with his brother's wife. Onan feels that the seed should not be his, so he spills his semen on the ground and not inside of the woman. God kills him too. (Genesis 38-8:10)

[MiamiHeat]

Just admit it. You don't agree with the Old Testament. Christians slapped their Gospels unto jewish texts to legitimize the 'prophecy' but in reality, jesus of gospels completely contradicts old testament god.

just admit it already. you only believe in jesus and the NT and want nothing to do with the old testament.

[E20]

They don't say the same. Look at the words attributed to Mohammed and the words attributed to Jesus.

Mohammed repeatedly advocates the use of violence, saying things like:

- "Know that paradise is under the shade of swords."
- "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem"
- "My livelihood is under the shade of my spear, and he who disobeys my orders will be humiliated"

While Jesus condemned to use of violence in his teachings:
- "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword."
- "I say unto you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."
- "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you"

Never does Jesus advocate violence to spread his message.

Those sayings are post-hijra and are mostly used out of context, but nonetheless they are still sayings of war against there enemies.

[Heath Ledger]

It's all absolute Babylonian bullshit. All of it.

[MiamiHeat]

It's all absolute Babylonian bullshit. All of it.
come on, have a Big Mac with greasy fries

you know you want to.

[Blake]

Not a heinous act: Married couples who under "God" take there vowels only to break them.

I hate grammar police......but that's kinda funny

[I Love Me Some Me]

My "problem" (just agreeing with Bill Maher) with the examples I gave are with both.Religion because they had followers, used God, Jesus ,Allah whoever to get people to do what they wanted,follow them,in some cases even forgive them and do it all over again plus I have a problem with the heinous acts they committed such as rape,murder,molestation,etc.......

Not a heinous act: Married couples who under "God" take there vowels only to break them. Or take them so literally the women is home cooking,cleaning obeying her husband to the point she has no life in some cases being beaten. I know some people will say thats her choice but is it? These kids grow up beliving the non sense they heard in church and think this what they have to do because "God" wants it that way and are scared if they don't. The person or persons who give money to charity even know they or there families need the money to eat. Those people who constantly are taken advantaged of,not sticking up for themselves because they believe in the story of Job.


On just religion ,if you go to church and follow the bible that ur business. In alot of area the bible is a good moral compass of life to go by but they are storys passed on from author to author from generation to generation with very very very very very very little truth if any at all.


I have a problem with those guys too. But, it's important to distinguish between what an individual or group of people do and what the religion they claim to follow actually tells them to do. In truth, there are too many people who do things that are grossly inconsistent with the teachings of the religion that they allegedly follow. Then, instead of the finger being pointed at the individual, the finger is pointed at the religion he claims to represent. It's only right to blame the religion if that religious code actually espouses what it's alleged followers are doing.


Nice try leaving out the Old Testament.

"Eye for Eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot" (Exodus 21:24-25)

Kill any children who curse or hit their parents. (Exodus 21:15)

Any person or animal who touches Mt. Sinai shall be stoned to death (Exodus19:12-13)

"The Lord is a man of war." (Exodus 15:3)


"'Thus saith the Lord of Hosts : I remember that which Amalek did to Israel. how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1st Sam 15:2-3)


God threatens to kill Abimelech and his people for believing Abe's lie. (Genesis 20:3-7)


God kills Judah's firstborn, then Onan is told to have sex with his brother's wife. Onan feels that the seed should not be his, so he spills his semen on the ground and not inside of the woman. God kills him too. (Genesis 38-8:10)

I was comparing the teachings of Jesus to the teachings of Mohammed. But we can go here too, if you want. No where in the Bible (Old or New Testament) does God or Jesus command people to attack pagan nations, either in self-defense or as a way of promoting Christianity. In the Old Testament, God typically used wars as an act of judgement upon sinful and guilty nations. This was not a method of expanding the Jewish nation, but a judgement...regardless of who was guilty. Just as God used the Jews as an instrument of judgement against a guilty Canaanite nation, He also used Israel's enemies as agents of judgement aginst the guilty Jews.

There is no theology that exists that makes war and killing (as told in the Old Testament) a normal course of action for a Christian of any era. The Old Testament text serves as descriptive of the history of the Jewish nation, not a prescription for future followers to act upon.

[Holy Bible]

I have the answers you seek!

[Richard Cranium]

I have the answers you seek!

I never judge a book by its cover.

[baseline bum]

They don't say the same. Look at the words attributed to Mohammed and the words attributed to Jesus.

Mohammed repeatedly advocates the use of violence, saying things like:

- "Know that paradise is under the shade of swords."
- "Fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem"
- "My livelihood is under the shade of my spear, and he who disobeys my orders will be humiliated"

While Jesus condemned to use of violence in his teachings:
- "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword."
- "I say unto you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."
- "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you"

Never does Jesus advocate violence to spread his message.

Are you rejecting Yahweh?

[I Love Me Some Me]

Are you rejecting Yahweh?

If you're referring the the God of Israel (the Hebrew God...of the Old Testament), I gave my thoughts above:

"No where in the Bible (Old or New Testament) does God or Jesus command people to attack pagan nations, either in self-defense or as a way of promoting Christianity. In the Old Testament, God typically used wars as an act of judgement upon sinful and guilty nations. This was not a method of expanding the Jewish nation, but a judgement...regardless of who was guilty. Just as God used the Jews as an instrument of judgement against a guilty Canaanite nation, He also used Israel's enemies as agents of judgement aginst the guilty Jews.

There is no theology that exists that makes war and killing (as told in the Old Testament) a normal course of action for a Christian of any era. The Old Testament text serves as descriptive of the history of the Jewish nation, not a prescription for future followers to act upon."

[jack sommerset]

I hate grammar police......but that's kinda funny

I'll correct.

[CheezWiz]

Too many people have a tendency to treat religious beliefs as sacrosanct.

[jack sommerset]

Too many people have a tendency to treat religious beliefs as sacrosanct.

Not here.

[CheezWiz]

Not here.

Ha. That is a good thing.

[jack sommerset]

I used to ask people what this story was doing in the Bible. Noone had a answer. Thats wrong one said "God works in mysterious ways" real orginal. This guy and his women are walking around town, they decide they need to get a room for the night. They find someone to take them in. As the story goes a bunch men show up to fuck the guy.The guy,not the wife. The guy they are staying with says "no" He evens say they can do his daughter who has never been with a man. They say "no" They really want this guys ass. The man then says to the pervert rapists they can't have the man but you can have the girl he is with. For whatever reason they agree. So they rape this poor chick and leave her for dead. The husband runs across her and (me LOL) is pissed and cuts his wife up into 12 pieces, who does nothing wrong, infact she is dead, and sends the pieces to the 12 tribes in Israel

[baseline bum]

If you're referring the the God of Israel (the Hebrew God...of the Old Testament), I gave my thoughts above:

"No where in the Bible (Old or New Testament) does God or Jesus command people to attack pagan nations, either in self-defense or as a way of promoting Christianity. In the Old Testament, God typically used wars as an act of judgement upon sinful and guilty nations. This was not a method of expanding the Jewish nation, but a judgement...regardless of who was guilty. Just as God used the Jews as an instrument of judgement against a guilty Canaanite nation, He also used Israel's enemies as agents of judgement aginst the guilty Jews.

There is no theology that exists that makes war and killing (as told in the Old Testament) a normal course of action for a Christian of any era. The Old Testament text serves as descriptive of the history of the Jewish nation, not a prescription for future followers to act upon."

What about Deuteronomy telling to kill anyone who preaches about another god?

[MiamiHeat]

We take away from humanity when you believe in religion

[MiamiHeat]

damn, I used to know the whole thing behind Yahweh/Jehovah, the origin, etymology, all the meanings. forgot it

[smeagol]

We take away from humanity when you believe in religion

Dude, you are an idiot.

[MiamiHeat]

Too much to teach you so i do not have the willpower to try at this moment.

[smeagol]

Too much to teach you so i do not have the willpower to try at this moment.

There is very little of substance you can teach me. Maybe some Egiptology . . .

[MiamiHeat]

When you go to church and end your prayer with "Amen".............

[SmellyFeet]

Muhhamad raped a 9 year old. Just sayin'.

[I Love Me Some Me]

I used to ask people what this story was doing in the Bible. Noone had a answer. Thats wrong one said "God works in mysterious ways" real orginal. This guy and his women are walking around town, they decide they need to get a room for the night. They find someone to take them in. As the story goes a bunch men show up to fuck the guy.The guy,not the wife. The guy they are staying with says "no" He evens say they can do his daughter who has never been with a man. They say "no" They really want this guys ass. The man then says to the pervert rapists they can't have the man but you can have the girl he is with. For whatever reason they agree. So they rape this poor chick and leave her for dead. The husband runs across her and (me LOL) is pissed and cuts his wife up into 12 pieces, who does nothing wrong, infact she is dead, and sends the pieces to the 12 tribes in Israel

The story is there as an example of the state of affairs in Israel at the time of Gibeah. It's referred to later in the OT, when in Micah it's said "They are deeply corrupted, as in the days of Gibeah" and "O Israel, you have sinned from the day so Gibeah."

The cutting up of the wife was a way for this man to send a message to the rest of Israel, which was effective because in Chapter 20 of Judges, you'll read that tribes of Israel (with the exception of Benjamin) gathered together to bring justice to these men, and ultimately went to battle.

[TheDavinciCode]

Maher has stated it this way (paraphrased), "I don't know what god wants, so how can you with no more access to him than myself claim to know for certain what his plan is?"

[JoeChalupa]

I saw God today. That is all.

[Slomo]

I saw God today. That is all.

Yeah?

How is Manny these days?

[JoeChalupa]

Yeah?

How is Manny these days?

From what I hear he's in heaven.

[Slomo]

Yeah,

I heard he was visiting Jekka.

:p:

[JoeChalupa]

Yeah,

I heard he was visiting Jekka.

:p:

:tu If that isn't divine intervention I don't know what is.

[MiamiHeat]

*walks in and looks around*

I'd like to announce I am now a born again Taoist.

[Winehole23]

"Those who know, do not speak; those who speak, do not know."

[Mr. T]

i pity all of you.

[jack sommerset]

"better to cast your seed in the belly of a whore than to spill it on the ground." no more jerking off, get yourself a whore before you do this, God has spoken.

[MiamiHeat]

LOL at all of these prayers during the inauguration

separation of church and state, please! what about us who don't believe in the christian god? muslims, atheists, agnostics, hindus, buddhists, etc...

ridiculous.

Oh, and I get a good laugh everytime I hear the prayer end with "Amen" .... they don't realize Amen = Amen-Ra/Amun-Ra and that the ancient egyptian traditions of saying Amen transferred into the roman empire and filtered down into roman catholic tradition, which has now been carried on to ALL christian denominations including protestants

i find it hilarious they are worshipping Ra and don't know it ;p

[Blake]

Oh, and I get a good laugh everytime I hear the prayer end with "Amen" .... they don't realize Amen = Amen-Ra/Amun-Ra and that the ancient egyptian traditions of saying Amen transferred into the roman empire and filtered down into roman catholic tradition, which has now been carried on to ALL christian denominations including protestants

really? you get a good laugh out of that?

[MiamiHeat]

yes, i think it's really funny. worshipping ancient sun gods and they don't even know it.

don't even remind me that the believers are already silly/ridiculous/whatever for believing in a boogieman in the sky, but on top of that... LOL

[Blake]

yes, i think it's really funny. worshipping ancient sun gods and they don't even know it.

don't even remind me that the believers are already silly/ridiculous/whatever for believing in a boogieman in the sky, but on top of that... LOL

move over Seinfeld

[monosylab1k]

I looked up "amen" in the dictionary, I didn't see anything about Egypt.

[MiamiHeat]

move over Seinfeld

jerry seinfeld sucks. hardcore.

larry david is the true genius.

[Winehole23]

Oh, and I get a good laugh everytime I hear the prayer end with "Amen" .... they don't realize Amen = Amen-Ra/Amun-Ra and that the ancient egyptian traditions of saying Amen transferred into the roman empire and filtered down into roman catholic tradition, which has now been carried on to ALL christian denominations including protestants

i find it hilarious they are worshipping Ra and don't know it ;pMore bs philology. Have you been reading Blavatsky?

[MiamiHeat]

laugh out loud

anyone pointing out the facts of where we come from is just making things up and/or was influenced by someone else like acharya or blavatsky. OH THE IRONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

you believe your religion is original

you believe you are cut off from ancient civilizations. our ancestors have nothing to do with us!!! is what you believe.

you believe we are only marginally influenced by the roman empire, and the roman empire wasn't at all influenced by the egyptian empire and other empires, and the egyptians were not at all influenced by older ancestors.

we are just here, original in our beliefs and humanity is not a long line of connectivity and influence.

anyone pointing out the facts of where we come from is just making things up and/or was influenced by someone else like acharya or blavatsky. OH THE IRONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'

laugh out loud.

[Les Grossman]

Hey fucksticks, let me tell you something... there is no fucking god, so go fuck yourselves.

[Agitator]

"better to cast your seed in the belly of a whore than to spill it on the ground." no more jerking off, get yourself a whore before you do this, God has spoken.

You could juse use the convenient biblical literalism and use a Kleenex. Since God didn't say anything about Kleenexes that must be ok.

[mouse]

"better to cast your seed in the belly of a whore than to spill it on the ground.

Why so we can have another MiamiHeat to deal with?

[MiamiHeat]

having nightmares, mouse?

[RandomGuy]

bump.

[angel_luv]

The answer is still yes. :)

[Steve Perry]

yes, i think it's really funny. worshipping ancient sun gods and they don't even know it.

don't even remind me that the believers are already silly/ridiculous/whatever for believing in a boogieman in the sky, but on top of that... LOL

If only we were as smart as you and could worship a chimpanzee.It seems while others go to church on Sundays you grab a pitcher of grape kool-aid and watch planet of the apes on your VCR. If you want us to believe your outlandish rants you have to come clean.

Either your DNA is traced back to a monkey or your just a lost fool who ran out of meds. you can't have it both ways.

[jack sommerset]

If only we were as smart as you and could worship a chimpanzee.It seems while others go to church on Sundays you grab a pitcher of grape kool-aid and watch planet of the apes on your VCR. If you want us to believe your outlandish rants you have to come clean.

Either your DNA is traced back to a monkey or your just a lost fool who ran out of meds. you can't have it both ways.

That is a weird response. Monkeys,watching planet of the apes,forgetting meds and my favorite "outlandish" rants. Psss Steve Perry, this could be interpreted as a rant.

Maybe there is no God and the biggest con of all is religious groups.

[RandomGuy]

If only we were as smart as you and could worship a chimpanzee.It seems while others go to church on Sundays you grab a pitcher of grape kool-aid and watch planet of the apes on your VCR. If you want us to believe your outlandish rants you have to come clean.

Either your DNA is traced back to a monkey or your just a lost fool who ran out of meds. you can't have it both ways.

Actually, Steve, evolutionary theory does not postulate that we descended from monkeys. That is a very common misconception.

Humans are actually apes, and do share some common ancestor with the other primates.

Monkeys and humans can be thought of as cousins on the tree, and not parent/offspring. At some distant point in the past we had a common ancestor with modern monkeys but that is a long time ago.

We are more closely related to apes, think more of a sibling relationship than with monkeys.

Neither analogy is exact, but this learning tool will get you a step closer to actually understanding what the theory actually says.

[MiamiHeat]

RandomGuy, when you say

"Actually, Steve"

you should change that to

"Actually, mouse"

You may have forgotten mouse has 10000 usernames on this forum. That's one of them

[pickle girl]

MiamiHeat never lets us down with his highly intelligent mind.

[lint]

Those who believe in nothing are very, very jealous and angry at those who believe in something.
- Dennis Prager

[baseline bum]

http://i28.tinypic.com/10yqs6p.jpg

One side of the street is a church; across the road is a liquor store.
Both of them keepin' us poor; keepin' us down.
My hood ain't considered a town.

[peewee's lovechild]

God is probably a hamster.

[Red Hawk #21]

Honestly, I have no idea if there is god. But Im pretty sure that there are Devils and Demons though.

[Red Hawk #21]

1k bitches!!