ESPN Radio Rumor: Rasheed for fab and finley (and others)

[WildcardManu]

this still going strong?

[EricB]

For people that think this thread is a waste of time, they sure talk alot of trash in it...

[Ice009]

Just a thought.
If, for one year, we're not afraid to pay the lux-tax, why don't we sign and trade Horry for the entire amount (minus the necessary amount for put Detroit under the lux - tax) of Wallace and put on the three milllions and a pair of 2 draft choices or "other names"?
We have some "euro" names...at the moment the best value we have are the rifghts of Splitter and Javtokas...and none of them is good for a signing this season.
However, I think Javtokas is plaiyng really well and his name coukld be the one of more interest, also for his style of game, for the Pistons...

Good stuff. I never thought of Javtokas. Anyone think he holds any value in a trade?

[tp2021]

Good stuff. I never thought of Javtokas. Anyone think he holds any value in a trade?

Nope

[rascal]

Rasheed can put the spurs over the top. They need to make this work.

[Lp26]

If this goes through for that crap (no offense!), i'm going to stop watching the Pistons.

[hater]

If this goes through for that crap (no offense!), i'm going to stop watching the Pistons.

not gonna happen. don't even worry

[tp2021]

not gonna happen. don't even worry

why so serious?

[hater]

why so serious?

I'm the voice of reason in this thread

[phyzik]

I'm the voice of Laker fans in this thread

fixed

[ManuTP9]

Haha^

[phyzik]

Rasheed is going to leave Detroit after the end of the season anyway, they might as well get what they can while they have him. He said he wants to play in S.A. so they are trying to appease him.

I dont see how its that big of a stretch that he comes here.

[DPG21920]

I'm the voice of reason in this thread

No one needs a voice of reason. Stop talking. Shhhhhhhhhh.

[hater]

I dont see how its that big of a stretch that he comes here.

so what in your mind, would it take for SPurs to get Sheed? and use logic.

IMO it would have to take Mason or Hill or both. That won't happen because Pop is not an idiot.

SO this would leave a trade of Finley/Bowen/KT/Oberto/Vaughn. trash players.

This trade would beat the Gasol trade in lopsideness. Pleae think, do you really think this has a chance of happening??? :rolleyes

[stxspurs]

this had a nice run of 22 pgs but i woke up realizing the spurs aint gonna do shit!

[phyzik]

so what in your mind, would it take for SPurs to get Sheed? and use logic.

IMO it would have to take Mason or Hill or both. That won't happen because Pop is not an idiot.

SO this would leave a trade of Finley/Bowen/KT/Oberto/Vaughn. trash players.

This trade would beat the Gasol trade in lopsideness. Pleae think, do you really think this has a chance of happening??? :rolleyes

Again, sheed is GONE after this year... no way he re-signs. You get what you can before he leaves and you get nothing, I know its not going to be just Finley and Oberto, thats fucking crazy, but its not crazy that the Spurs DO have a chance at getting him. Rasheed has already said he wants to play for the Spurs, why wouldnt the Pistons do everything they can to try and make that happen for him?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

so what in your mind, would it take for SPurs to get Sheed? and use logic.

IMO it would have to take Mason or Hill or both. That won't happen because Pop is not an idiot.

SO this would leave a trade of Finley/Bowen/KT/Oberto/Vaughn. trash players.

This trade would beat the Gasol trade in lopsideness. Pleae think, do you really think this has a chance of happening??? :rolleyes

Generally you're right, but you don't take a couple of things into account IMO. The Pistons are losing Sheed anyway and they're over the lux tax, so they'd rather trade him and get under the threshold, rather than just letting his contract expire. In both cases they'd still make the playoffs but most likely wouldn't go too far. 4/5M profit is a good enough reason to do this trade unless there's something better on the table, which is why FOs sometimes leak some information to notify other clubs who would eventually make a better offer. I find this scenario pretty realistic.

Now if, and that's a big if, Pistons don't get a better offer, I believe they do this trade with the Spurs.

[hater]

that's just my point. I am sure Pistons have a better offer on the table already, if not multiple better offers.

Again, if they want to unload Sheed they will get something of value back. Other teams can offer a whole lot more than SPurs.

[phyzik]

that's just my point. I am sure Pistons have a better offer on the table already, if not multiple better offers.

Again, if they want to unload Sheed they will get something of value back. Other teams can offer a whole lot more than SPurs.

True, but that doesnt change the fact that Rasheed said he wants to play for the Spurs and the current rumor is that it might happen that way. I havnt heard of any other rumors involving Rasheed to any other team. We will see, Im not going to believe it either until it happens but the fact remains that the Spurs can get Rasheed if they want to.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Depends on what the Pistons might want. IMO there is no way they get equal value talent wise, and no way they get proper picks for him, because effectively he'd be a 5 month loan, so I don't see other teams offer too much. Besides I don't see him going somewhere like Memphis, he's probably going to a contender , or at least a team with a chance to do well this season, which greatly narrows the possible offers. Teams like Bobcats or Clippers have no need to go for Sheed right now whatsoever so even if they have better chips to trade they wouldn't be offering them for 5 months of an unhappy Sheed.

[jdev82]

And they only said Finley and Fab? Did they reference that money doesn't much up (or logically - Detroit doesn't benefit)?

well both (i beleive) have expiring one year deals with not much money. my guess is joe dumars will see how the next year goes, and maybe tank and play for the draft. but with finley and fab, finley would help as a shooter, but also he would really help them a: avoid luxury tax when they dump him and b: get amare or some other 2010er

[tp2021]

that's just my point. I am sure Pistons have a better offer on the table already, if not multiple better offers.

Again, if they want to unload Sheed they will get something of value back. Other teams can offer a whole lot more than SPurs.



And while I think Steins comment about Sheed wanting to play in SA has been made bigger than it is, do keep in mind that Billups asked Dumars if he was to be traded, Denver would be the place he'd be happiest. So Joe does take his players desires into consideration.

[jdev82]

IMO we get sheed, we win the title. thats it. floor spreader, knock down shooter, GREAT defender, when hes giving effort, hes an incredible rebounder(something the spurs need more than one of, no offense to KT, but cmon!) and clutch player. tone down the t's and we cant lose! At least thats my hope.

[coyotes_geek]

so what in your mind, would it take for SPurs to get Sheed? and use logic.

IMO it would have to take Mason or Hill or both. That won't happen because Pop is not an idiot.

SO this would leave a trade of Finley/Bowen/KT/Oberto/Vaughn. trash players.

This trade would beat the Gasol trade in lopsideness. Pleae think, do you really think this has a chance of happening??? :rolleyes

Logically, I can't see the Spurs being able to swing a deal to land Sheed. But just for sake of discussion here's an attempt at trying to inject some logic into a dream.

In order for this to work there needs to be a third team involved. That third team needs to meet the following criteria:

1. They need to be in a pure cash dumping mode. Be it for avoiding the luxury tax this year, trying to clear cap room for 2010 or whatever. Clearing cash is important, getting talent in return isn't.
2. They need to have a good young player on a reasonable contract that they could send to Detroit. Detroit won't move Sheed unless they get talent in return and the Spurs roster fodder won't cut it. The primary piece of return talent for Detroit would have to come from the third team.
3. They need to be a team who doesn't care about the Spurs or Pistons getting better. For example, New Orleans is facing some financial trouble and needs to dump some payroll, but they're not going to be a part of any deal that helped the Spurs out. So realistically this third team needs to be a borderline playoff team, or worse.
4. They're probably going to have an undesireable contract or two that the Spurs would need to agree to take back.

So the basic framework of the deal would look like this:

Detroit trades Sheed away in return for Player X.
Third team trades Player X for cap/tax relief.
Spurs pick up Sheed in return for helping Third team get cap/tax relief.

So is there such a 3rd team? Who knows. Even if there were what are the odds that both them and the Pistons feel the Spurs are the only ones who can help them out?

[AA2120]

sheeeeeeeed!

[Blake]

Logically, I can't see the Spurs being able to swing a deal to land Sheed. But just for sake of discussion here's an attempt at trying to inject some logic into a dream.

In order for this to work there needs to be a third team involved. That third team needs to meet the following criteria:

1. They need to be in a pure cash dumping mode. Be it for avoiding the luxury tax this year, trying to clear cap room for 2010 or whatever. Clearing cash is important, getting talent in return isn't.
2. They need to have a good young player on a reasonable contract that they could send to Detroit. Detroit won't move Sheed unless they get talent in return and the Spurs roster fodder won't cut it. The primary piece of return talent for Detroit would have to come from the third team.
3. They need to be a team who doesn't care about the Spurs or Pistons getting better. For example, New Orleans is facing some financial trouble and needs to dump some payroll, but they're not going to be a part of any deal that helped the Spurs out. So realistically this third team needs to be a borderline playoff team, or worse.
4. They're probably going to have an undesireable contract or two that the Spurs would need to agree to take back.

So the basic framework of the deal would look like this:

Detroit trades Sheed away in return for Player X.
Third team trades Player X for cap/tax relief.
Spurs pick up Sheed in return for helping Third team get cap/tax relief.

So is there such a 3rd team? Who knows. Even if there were what are the odds that both them and the Pistons feel the Spurs are the only ones who can help them out?

coyotes geek is sheer greatness.

[Dr. Gonzo]

As much as I would love for this to happen, I have loved Sheeds game since his Tarheel days but couldn't be a fan of his because he has never been a Spur, I seriously doubt this happens. Usually the Spurs make trades without any rumor being thrown out before hand. I would really be shocked if it goes down.

[AA2120]

Logically, I can't see the Spurs being able to swing a deal to land Sheed. But just for sake of discussion here's an attempt at trying to inject some logic into a dream.

In order for this to work there needs to be a third team involved. That third team needs to meet the following criteria:

1. They need to be in a pure cash dumping mode. Be it for avoiding the luxury tax this year, trying to clear cap room for 2010 or whatever. Clearing cash is important, getting talent in return isn't.
2. They need to have a good young player on a reasonable contract that they could send to Detroit. Detroit won't move Sheed unless they get talent in return and the Spurs roster fodder won't cut it. The primary piece of return talent for Detroit would have to come from the third team.
3. They need to be a team who doesn't care about the Spurs or Pistons getting better. For example, New Orleans is facing some financial trouble and needs to dump some payroll, but they're not going to be a part of any deal that helped the Spurs out. So realistically this third team needs to be a borderline playoff team, or worse.
4. They're probably going to have an undesireable contract or two that the Spurs would need to agree to take back.

So the basic framework of the deal would look like this:

Detroit trades Sheed away in return for Player X.
Third team trades Player X for cap/tax relief.
Spurs pick up Sheed in return for helping Third team get cap/tax relief.

So is there such a 3rd team? Who knows. Even if there were what are the odds that both them and the Pistons feel the Spurs are the only ones who can help them out?

new york??

david lee??

[dogzofwar]

I guess I am one of the few that would dread a deal like this. I'm sorry but Sheed to Spurs would be like Owens to the Cowboys....great on paper but just not the piece they really need. The man would have been suspended for tech fouls in the playoffs for goodness sake...and yall want to bring that into our house...Pass. If you are going to give up some of your future for a big man now...go after Camby. Much more proficient on offense, leaps ahead of Sheed on defense, and knows his role in a system. Oh yeah...you don't have to worry about him giving free points to the other team because of temper.

[dogzofwar]

Sorry...efficient not proficient.

[DBMethos]

Maybe Sheed is the smokescreen for Camby? There's still 6 days until the trade deadline...I doubt that Pop & RC will have showed all their cards this early.

[coyotes_geek]

new york??

david lee??

JMO, but I don't think the Knicks move David Lee unless someone takes Eddy Curry with him. Under the scenario I described it would be the Spurs who would have to take Curry and I can't see them wanting any part of that contract.

[Cry Havoc]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/whisperingstorm/SheedtoSpurs.jpg

New York also gets picks in the deal.

Bowen and Finley come back to SA.

I think this works in favor of all three teams and makes everyone better.

[RandomGuy]

Logically, I can't see the Spurs being able to swing a deal to land Sheed. But just for sake of discussion here's an attempt at trying to inject some logic into a dream.

In order for this to work there needs to be a third team involved. That third team needs to meet the following criteria:

1. They need to be in a pure cash dumping mode. Be it for avoiding the luxury tax this year, trying to clear cap room for 2010 or whatever. Clearing cash is important, getting talent in return isn't.
2. They need to have a good young player on a reasonable contract that they could send to Detroit. Detroit won't move Sheed unless they get talent in return and the Spurs roster fodder won't cut it. The primary piece of return talent for Detroit would have to come from the third team.
3. They need to be a team who doesn't care about the Spurs or Pistons getting better. For example, New Orleans is facing some financial trouble and needs to dump some payroll, but they're not going to be a part of any deal that helped the Spurs out. So realistically this third team needs to be a borderline playoff team, or worse.
4. They're probably going to have an undesireable contract or two that the Spurs would need to agree to take back.

So the basic framework of the deal would look like this:

Detroit trades Sheed away in return for Player X.
Third team trades Player X for cap/tax relief.
Spurs pick up Sheed in return for helping Third team get cap/tax relief.

So is there such a 3rd team? Who knows. Even if there were what are the odds that both them and the Pistons feel the Spurs are the only ones who can help them out?

Jeez, this thread got long quick. I have only read a few pages, but this is obviously the best take on it I have seen.

If Sheed were willing to take a pay cut, that would help, too. Hell, I think every Spur on the roster would be willing to take a pay cut to be virtually guaranteed to get another ring, if not two or three.

This would be the decade of the Spurs... (wipes drool from chin)

[RandomGuy]

Originally Posted by hater

I'm the voice of Laker fans in this thread



fixed


:lmao

[RandomGuy]

I'm the voice of reason in this thread[, this trade won't happen.]

Man, we can dream can't we?

Don't take that away, Grinchy McScroogepants.

[JudynTX]

coyotes geek is sheer greatness.

+1

[benefactor]

New York also gets picks in the deal.

Bowen and Finley come back to SA.

I think this works in favor of all three teams and makes everyone better.
There is no need to send Bowen if we sign and trade Horry for 4 million. :tu

[coyotes_geek]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/whisperingstorm/SheedtoSpurs.jpg

New York also gets picks in the deal.

Bowen and Finley come back to SA.

I think this works in favor of all three teams and makes everyone better.

If New York were truly willing to trade away David Lee for just Mahinmi and picks then the Spurs should just forget about Sheed and Detroit and go make that deal. I'd even be willing to sweeten the pot for the Knicks by tossing in Ime Udoka. But what can I say? I'm a sucker for charity.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if it costs us our bench to get sheed, do it

if some of the traded players arent bought out by the other team,

we can just sit and wait till marbury is bought out, we sign him to minimum see if he wants to win a ring b4 he bolts to europe.....

[FreeMason]

I would be willing to give up Bowen, Finley, and..................damnit.......maybe even Hill :(

[dogzofwar]

I would hate to see Bowen in any kind of trade talks...if he was planning on returning to Spurs or not. Anyone who has watched the games can see when he steps on the floor how much our D shores up with Bowen just being there. It is an entirely different team with him out there. And I wouldn't gamble that when we have other meat shields we can throw at the deal makers (sorry Fab/Finley/Vaughn/Hairston/Udoka/and yes...even Bonner or Hill).

[DPG21920]

Logically, I can't see the Spurs being able to swing a deal to land Sheed. But just for sake of discussion here's an attempt at trying to inject some logic into a dream.

In order for this to work there needs to be a third team involved. That third team needs to meet the following criteria:

1. They need to be in a pure cash dumping mode. Be it for avoiding the luxury tax this year, trying to clear cap room for 2010 or whatever. Clearing cash is important, getting talent in return isn't.
2. They need to have a good young player on a reasonable contract that they could send to Detroit. Detroit won't move Sheed unless they get talent in return and the Spurs roster fodder won't cut it. The primary piece of return talent for Detroit would have to come from the third team.
3. They need to be a team who doesn't care about the Spurs or Pistons getting better. For example, New Orleans is facing some financial trouble and needs to dump some payroll, but they're not going to be a part of any deal that helped the Spurs out. So realistically this third team needs to be a borderline playoff team, or worse.
4. They're probably going to have an undesireable contract or two that the Spurs would need to agree to take back.

So the basic framework of the deal would look like this:

Detroit trades Sheed away in return for Player X.
Third team trades Player X for cap/tax relief.
Spurs pick up Sheed in return for helping Third team get cap/tax relief.

So is there such a 3rd team? Who knows. Even if there were what are the odds that both them and the Pistons feel the Spurs are the only ones who can help them out?

I already posted that I thought the Thunder can be this team. They have stated they have an interest in Amir amongst others and have the picks, players and relationship to help.

[SequSpur]

This is total bullshit.

[xtremesteven33]

I get a good hunch about this.

But i chose to remain skeptical.

[EricB]

I'm the voice of reason in this thread


Save it for somewhere else.

[PDXSpursFan]

Yes to Sheed or Camby, no to VC

[DPG21920]

Ya, I do not think anyone is saying this is guaransheed*, but it did not just come from no where. Teams talk all the time, does not mean there is any thing real. But it is nice to discuss.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

I hate getting my hopes up.... :(

[EricB]

Ya, I do not think anyone is saying this is guaransheed*, but it did not just come from no where. Teams talk all the time, does not mean there is any thing real. But it is nice to discuss.

Eh I don't think theres BS here. I think theres truely smoke there because I don't think Chris Duel is a liar and he wouldn't BS.

We shall see.

[Budkin]

Please God let this happen. Tim and Sheed in the post = 5th championship

[urunobili]

Kaman>>> Sheed as a Spur

[xtremesteven33]

Please God let this happen. Tim and Sheed in the post = 5th championship



3 more championships.:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

[EricB]

Kaman>>> Sheed as a Spur

:lmao

Gigantic fail

[Budkin]

Kaman>>> Sheed as a Spur

No way. I'll take Sheed any day. He would be a model citizen playing with Timmy.

[StoneBuddha]

Kaman>>> Sheed as a Spur

Kaman lacks Rasheed's range on offense and his mobility on defense. Age is a concern but there's not a better fit than Rasheed for the Spurs.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Kaman>>> Sheed as a Spur

:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol:l ol

[urunobili]

:lmao

Gigantic fail


No way. I'll take Sheed any day. He would be a model citizen playing with Timmy.


Kaman lacks Rasheed's range on offense and his mobility on defense. Age is a concern but there's not a better fit than Rasheed for the Spurs.


Sheed has always had attitude issues on every team he has played on... I don;t know why you sound so surprised with my statement... Talent wise he definitively is >>>>>>> Kaman...

But to work under the Spurs dynamic as a role player.... i still believe Kaman works better than Sheed on a Spurs squad... did i mention Pop LOVES Kaman... there is a reason why... :p:

[Supergirl]

kaman lacks rasheed's range on offense and his mobility on defense. Age is a concern but there's not a better fit than rasheed for the spurs.

+1

[dbestpro]

I am proud to announce that I am one of the few who has not posted on this topic.....................................

Oh, oh.

[xtremesteven33]

No one. and I mean no one fits better with this current Spurs team than Rasheed Wallace at this time....

[Cry Havoc]

I am proud to announce that I am one of the few who has not posted on this topic.....................................

Oh, oh.

Isn't this precisely what a message board* is for? Analysis and speculation?






*non-porn

[EricB]

Sheed has always had attitude issues on every team he has played on... I don;t know why you sound so surprised with my statement... Talent wise he definitively is >>>>>>> Kaman...

But to work under the Spurs dynamic as a role player.... i still believe Kaman works better than Sheed on a Spurs squad... did i mention Pop LOVES Kaman... there is a reason why... :p:


He doesn't have attitude issues. He has issues during the game of staying cool.

Two TOTALLY different things.

[td4mvp21]

I wish I wouldn't have seen this thread, it's all I can think about now.

[Bender]

aren't duncan & rasheed friendly? seems like I remember them talking and joking around on the court when they play each other

[urunobili]

No one. and I mean no one fits better with this current Spurs team than Rasheed Wallace at this time....

I know sheed would be gr8 and he spaces the floor etc.. but Sheed can't shoot the rock as Bonner can... :wakeup... therefor... the spcing big man is already on our roster... we need a shot blocer / tough presence inside more than any other thing... that lead us to Kaman/Sheed for our needs...

[DPG21920]

Eh I don't think theres BS here. I think theres truely smoke there because I don't think Chris Duel is a liar and he wouldn't BS.

We shall see.

No I agree. That is what I was saying. The guy would not bs us. He is just doing his job. That does not mean a deal is 100%, sometimes things just do not work out, thats all.

[EricB]

I know sheed would be gr8 and he spaces the floor etc.. but Sheed can't shoot the rock as Bonner can... :wakeup... therefor... the spcing big man is already on our roster... we need a shot blocer / tough presence inside more than any other thing... that lead us to Kaman/Sheed for our needs...

Did you miss the Spurs Pistons game earlier this year?

Rasheed won the game on his shooting and offense alone.

I've yet to see Matt Bonner win a game on his offense like that.

[AA2120]

I know sheed would be gr8 and he spaces the floor etc.. but Sheed can't shoot the rock as Bonner can... :wakeup... therefor... the spcing big man is already on our roster... we need a shot blocer / tough presence inside more than any other thing... that lead us to Kaman/Sheed for our needs...


word.

but still sheed would be allsome.

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't understand where this bullshit about Rasheed being a "bad teammate" or whatever comes from..he hasn't had any problems in years..he always plays hard when he's being coached by a guy he respects, and playing for a team he respects..

the Pistons are a class organization, just like ours, and they didn't have problems with him..

LOL @ Kaman..one of the most overrated players in the NBA..

[EricB]

No I agree. That is what I was saying. The guy would not bs us. He is just doing his job. That does not mean a deal is 100%, sometimes things just do not work out, thats all.


Let me clarify his source's job isn't sports related, Chris was just passing this along.

Just so others don't get confused..

[xtremesteven33]

I know sheed would be gr8 and he spaces the floor etc.. but Sheed can't shoot the rock as Bonner can... :wakeup... therefor... the spcing big man is already on our roster... we need a shot blocer / tough presence inside more than any other thing... that lead us to Kaman/Sheed for our needs...

???

So youre saying Sheed is not necessary but yet is??

[hater]

uru, Sheed can do it all. He's a better defender than Kaman, not to mention better at everything else. plus he's got championship experience. no contest

[BILLYE]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bhlwbg


i have no idea how to actually post the trade like some others have done....my trade works for Rasheed, but im sure i will be torn to shreds for this, oh well.

[YODA]

How old is Wallace?

[crc21209]

Damn I hope something happens, PLLLLLEEEEAAASE LET IT HAPPEN! And this sucks I'm gonna be gone for the wkend hopefully I can still log on or catch sportscenter for some breaking news about sheed to the Spurs while I'm gone!

[Vinnie_Johnson]

I don't understand where this bullshit about Rasheed being a "bad teammate" or whatever comes from..he hasn't had any problems in years..he always plays hard when he's being coached by a guy he respects, and playing for a team he respects..

the Pistons are a class organization, just like ours, and they didn't have problems with him..

LOL @ Kaman..one of the most overrated players in the NBA..

Spot on.:toast

[EricB]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bhlwbg


i have no idea how to actually post the trade like some others have done....my trade works for Rasheed, but im sure i will be torn to shreds for this, oh well.


Nah, thats actually one of the more reasonable trades I've seen.

Don't sell yourself short :tu

[DPG21920]

That would be a good trade for everyone and an ideal scenario.

[Steve-O-Matic]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bhlwbg


i have no idea how to actually post the trade like some others have done....my trade works for Rasheed, but im sure i will be torn to shreds for this, oh well.

Impossible. That would leave the Spurs with a 10-man roster, only 8 of whom would have been with the team since the beginning of the season. That would improve the center position, but completely blow out the team's depth.

[BILLYE]

i understand, but wouldnt Detroit buyout Bowen and Finley?

it was worth a shot

[DPG21920]

Yes, that is the understanding. They would use either a combo of cash considerations or luxury tax sharing money to buy out players.

[EricB]

Impossible. That would leave the Spurs with a 10-man roster, only 8 of whom would have been with the team since the beginning of the season. That would improve the center position, but completely blow out the team's depth.


The players traded weren't playing that many minutes, so the depth thing is moot. Also Bowen would be bought out most likely and would come back.

[cool hand]

I would hate to lose bowen.

[Manufan909]

Impossible. That would leave the Spurs with a 10-man roster, only 8 of whom would have been with the team since the beginning of the season. That would improve the center position, but completely blow out the team's depth.

Meh, only 2 get any minutes at all, and with Sheed, there'd be no smallball, so the wings could concentrate soley on the 2 and 3. I think Manu, Mason, and Hairston could hold the fort for a month. JV, Ime, Ian, and Fab don't see the court anyways, so that doesn't matter. Fuck, I really don't want to lose Tiago or Ian for Sheed, maybe Chandler, but not for a 35yr old.

[tav1]

Impossible. That would leave the Spurs with a 10-man roster, only 8 of whom would have been with the team since the beginning of the season. That would improve the center position, but completely blow out the team's depth.

Not a problem. They'd sign Pops Mensah and someone else, then wait for the fellas to get cut and come back around.

[Steve-O-Matic]

i understand, but wouldnt Detroit buyout Bowen and Finley?

it was worth a shot

That trade makes absolutely no sense for Detroit. They would be giving up one of their top trade assets (Wallace) with an expiring contract, as well as a good young player that they like (Johnson), and they'd get back four spares, two of whom need to be bought out or otherwise paid for next season. In other words they would be taking a huge net-loss in talent and a equally huge net-increase in salary beyond this season.

[HarlemHeat37]

if Detroit gets a better offer for Sheed, they'll probably take it instantly over ours..I think ours will be a last option kind of thing..

regardless, this trade depends on 2 things IMO..

-another team being involved..OKC like DPG said..

-Sheed asking for a trade, behind the scenes..Pistons are a classy org. so they might accomadate him with the trade he wants..it wouldn't hurt them if they don't have any other good trade options, since they would be getting the same cap room in the off-seson..

I'm in the boat that our trade is probably one of their last options, unless nobody is going after 'Sheed right now..

[KaiRMD1]

Man, I feel so bad for Detroit. I loved this team when they have that awesome five but now, if Sheed comes to San Antonio, they are just going to be done. But I wonder if Sheed will work well under the Spurs system. If he does then great but I don't know, I'm worried about trades.

[xtremesteven33]

if Detroit gets a better offer for Sheed, they'll probably take it instantly over ours..I think ours will be a last option kind of thing..

regardless, this trade depends on 2 things IMO..

-another team being involved..OKC like DPG said..

-Sheed asking for a trade, behind the scenes..Pistons are a classy org. so they might accomadate him with the trade he wants..it wouldn't hurt them if they don't have any other good trade options, since they would be getting the same cap room in the off-seson..

I'm in the boat that our trade is probably one of their last options, unless nobody is going after 'Sheed right now..


I agree. Thats why maybe this rumor has come out cause maybe it is true. Maybe the best offers theyve gotten are from Eastern Conference teams and they dont want to trade within thier own conference.

I hope it happens. I still remain skeptical but I do hope this happens.:hat

[mardigan]

Dont know if this has been posted yet.


http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/02/rasheed-to-spur.html

Rasheed to Spurs? Don't hold your breath
By
Jeff McDonald
on Feb 13, 2009 11:32 AM

There seems to be a substantial amount of wind being blown these days, in cyberspace and on radio airwaves, about a possible Spurs trade for Rasheed Wallace.

The rumor probably had its genesis with this ESPN.com column, in which Marc Stein reports "rumbles" that Wallace would have interest in joining the Spurs at some time.

OK, well, that's fine and good. The part people seem to be missing in the Wallace-induced fervor, is the next paragraph Stein writes, the one that begins "Don't see a real trade possibility here." That's the money paragraph. Because there isn't a real trade possibility there.

Wallace makes nearly $14 million, and Detroit GM Joe Dumars appears intent on accepting only expiring contracts in any deal for any player. Dumars also reportedly hasn't given up hope in joining the Amare Stoudemire sweepstakes, of which Wallace would be a required part. Put together, these factors would make it very, very difficult for the Spurs to do the math neccesary to nab Wallace.

The Spurs have only two players with expiring contracts -- Jacque Vaughn ($1.2 million) and Ime Udoka ($1.08 million). That's a long, long way off from the $14 million they'd need to clear from their payroll to make a deal for Wallace legal. As far as hurdles go, it's the Great Wall of China.

We're not saying it's impossible. Just highly improbable.

With a dearth of expiring contracts -- the golden chips in these salary-dump deals -- the Spurs are likely facing a quiet trading season. It is well-known that they would like to add another big man, but it also well-known they probably don't have the pieces to land anyone of consequence.

A sign-and-trade with Robert Horry could open more doors, but as of last night, Horry hadn't heard word one from the Spurs.

So if, you're holding your breath waiting for Wallace to don silver and black, you're likely to be blue until July at the earliest. Wallace will be a free agent then, and if he were willing to work for substantially less than $14 million, the Spurs would surely listen.

[ManuTP9]

Dont know if this has been posted yet.


http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/02/rasheed-to-spur.html

Rasheed to Spurs? Don't hold your breath
By
Jeff McDonald
on Feb 13, 2009 11:32 AM

There seems to be a substantial amount of wind being blown these days, in cyberspace and on radio airwaves, about a possible Spurs trade for Rasheed Wallace.

The rumor probably had its genesis with this ESPN.com column, in which Marc Stein reports "rumbles" that Wallace would have interest in joining the Spurs at some time.

OK, well, that's fine and good. The part people seem to be missing in the Wallace-induced fervor, is the next paragraph Stein writes, the one that begins "Don't see a real trade possibility here." That's the money paragraph. Because there isn't a real trade possibility there.

Wallace makes nearly $14 million, and Detroit GM Joe Dumars appears intent on accepting only expiring contracts in any deal for any player. Dumars also reportedly hasn't given up hope in joining the Amare Stoudemire sweepstakes, of which Wallace would be a required part. Put together, these factors would make it very, very difficult for the Spurs to do the math neccesary to nab Wallace.

The Spurs have only two players with expiring contracts -- Jacque Vaughn ($1.2 million) and Ime Udoka ($1.08 million). That's a long, long way off from the $14 million they'd need to clear from their payroll to make a deal for Wallace legal. As far as hurdles go, it's the Great Wall of China.

We're not saying it's impossible. Just highly improbable.

With a dearth of expiring contracts -- the golden chips in these salary-dump deals -- the Spurs are likely facing a quiet trading season. It is well-known that they would like to add another big man, but it also well-known they probably don't have the pieces to land anyone of consequence.

A sign-and-trade with Robert Horry could open more doors, but as of last night, Horry hadn't heard word one from the Spurs.

So if, you're holding your breath waiting for Wallace to don silver and black, you're likely to be blue until July at the earliest. Wallace will be a free agent then, and if he were willing to work for substantially less than $14 million, the Spurs would surely listen.

damnit, i know the sheed trade probably wont work now but you never know anything can happen in the NBA.

[DPG21920]

He obviously does not understand luxury tax, cash compensation and buyouts.

[urunobili]

thanks for the update mardigan... damn sheed would scare the whole flakers fanbase really bad... they'd be ranting on insecure bitching forever....

[DPG21920]

Detroit fans are saying it is more likely that the Pistons just keep Wallace than trade him to the Spurs. They think that is better.

[xtremesteven33]

So this Jeff Mcdonald guy isnt too popular here on Spurstalk is he???

haha

[DPG21920]

He is right at face value. But he is not taking into account that they can buy guys out, keep their space, involve a 3rd team, get an asset and be under the luxury tax. There are some incentives to trade.

Someone before mentioned other teams being able to offer better, but the only teams Sheed helps are contenders. So that narrows down the list quite a bit.

[StoneBuddha]

He obviously does not understand luxury tax, cash compensation and buyouts.

Well, it's bad news that Horry hasn't been approached about this possibility.

On the other hand, there aren't many people who would turn down free money, so maybe Horry is the last person you talk to in this deal.

Damn, if this goes through, I don't think it'll happen right before the deadline. Dumars isn't a dummy like Chris Wallace so he's got to at least wait to the very end see if anybody sweetens the offer.

I''ve got to stop checking this site and ESPN every 15 minutes.

[ss1986v2]

i still dont see it. why are the pistons taking non-expirings for sheed? to net some marginal assets? hell, in the okc versions ive seen here, they dont even net the marginal assets. i dont get it...

[YODA]

Well, it's bad news that Horry hasn't been approached about this possibility.

On the other hand, there aren't many people who would turn down free money, so maybe Horry is the last person you talk to in this deal.

Damn, if this goes through, I don't think it'll happen right before the deadline. Dumars isn't a dummy like Chris Wallace so he's got to at least wait to the very end see if anybody sweetens the offer.

I''ve got to stop checking this site and ESPN every 15 minutes.


It was true ,,do u really think he would tell all to fuck it up?

[DPG21920]

Well, it's bad news that Horry hasn't been approached about this possibility.

On the other hand, there aren't many people who would turn down free money, so maybe Horry is the last person you talk to in this deal.

Damn, if this goes through, I don't think it'll happen right before the deadline. Dumars isn't a dummy like Chris Wallace so he's got to at least wait to the very end see if anybody sweetens the offer.

I''ve got to stop checking this site and ESPN every 15 minutes.

I just find it odd that Horry just had an interview claiming he wants to play. Why would he say that? Maybe he just wants to play, but the fact it is being mentioned at all leads me to believe that he has some knowledge that it can happen.

But yes, it is probably not going to happen soon if at all. They will weigh their options until they have to decide.

[DPG21920]

Eric Park: did you get a text from Duel with any updates? Did he talk to his soucre and ask when such a deal would be complete if at all?

[BILLYE]

in my trade proposal there are at worst only a few players that have 2 years remaining on their contracts...everyone else only had one. I think all of the teams still would maintain cap flexability this summer and next summer. I am no GM though and its probably a very good thing too.

[YODA]

By Randy Hill

San Antonio Spurs
Needs: I'm R.C. Buford and I need a makeover for Gregg Popovich, a post player with a pulse and some length, and someone to shoot me if the reported temptation to acquire Vince Carter is real.

Our current inside players not named Tim Duncan are Matt Bonner, who actually plays outside (where he shoots the blood out of the ball), Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto. All three are incapable of handling Odom off the dribble and will be cooked on the post when matched against Gasol (if Bynum has returned in time for a Lakers-Spurs hayride).

I have read that Rasheed Wallace would like to play on our team, but (aside from the obvious irony) we lack the give-back salary. Putting together a multi-player package that includes rookie George Hill and sharpshooter Roger Mason would deplete the youthful gains we've made on the perimeter.

What about Carter? Gee, he's guaranteed more than $33 million over the next two seasons, and with Pop cryin' about a legitimate drop in defensive efficiency, that move wouldn't make much sense, would it?

Plan of Attack: Pop believes we (if healthy) can win it all again this season and I'm inclined to agree. I'm not callin' a bookie on this, but until Duncan is unable to put up 20 and 10 on a regular basis, our window remains open.

While it's true that not updating the dynasty (in terms of personnel) can turn a franchise into the Boston Celtics of the pre-KG days, we also believe the Western Conference (looking beyond the Lakers) may not be this open for a while.

I would reveal a bit more, but it also has been suggested that not showing your hand often makes it easier to complete a deal.

[xtremesteven33]

I still think this "SOURCE" from Detroit may actually have some credibility.

Or maybe its wishful thinking....idk....stop the drama!!

[HarlemHeat37]

can people stop saying they can't handle Odom off the dribble? LOL..Odom couldn't even get past Oberto off the dribble last year, he was a NON-FACTOR in isolation situations..

[Ghost Writer]

Strange...

Last night before bed, I was thinking about Rasheed to the Spurs, but thought that San Antonio still would be gun shy after Rodman.

Wallace's contract is up at year's end.

Barkley insists that Rasheed is the most talented big man in the league.

We all know he's a headcase.

But times like these require calculated risks, which is why I coveted Ron Artest last year at this time.

Trade for him if you can!

[DBMethos]

The more I read of this the more I'm convinced it ain't gonna happen.

[completely deck]

I still think this "SOURCE" from Detroit may actually have some credibility.

Or maybe its wishful thinking....idk....stop the drama!!

Sweet, great contribution! :toast

[ClingingMars]

wow...what a thread.

-Mars

[Borosai]

I had another conversation with my contact in Detroit, and he said we should definitely hold our collective breath on this one. If you pass out, there's a 50/50 chance you'll have a nice surprise waiting for you when you wake up... guaranteed.

Not my words.

[Duncan2177]

I had another conversation with my contact in Detroit, and he said we should definitely hold our collective breath on this one. If you pass out, there's a 50/50 chance you'll have a nice surprise waiting for you when you wake up... guaranteed.

Not my words.

Are you kidding?

[DPG21920]

Are you kidding?

Yes.

[BlackSwordsMan]

trade duncan for sheed and then hope pistons cut duncan and spurs re-sign him
GENIUS!

[Ditty]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cn4pvd

this is how i see it going down and detroit gets some good players sorta with expiring contracts

and we trade fin and bowen to friendly oklahoma where they would get bought out and for doing that we send them a second round pick and we spice it up sending splitter to detroit

i see this going down please RC see this

[Manufan909]

Damnit, I'm waiting for PB's update, come on man!!!

[rayray2k8]

Dont know if this has been posted yet.


http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/02/rasheed-to-spur.html

Rasheed to Spurs? Don't hold your breath
By
Jeff McDonald
on Feb 13, 2009 11:32 AM

There seems to be a substantial amount of wind being blown these days, in cyberspace and on radio airwaves, about a possible Spurs trade for Rasheed Wallace.

The rumor probably had its genesis with this ESPN.com column, in which Marc Stein reports "rumbles" that Wallace would have interest in joining the Spurs at some time.

OK, well, that's fine and good. The part people seem to be missing in the Wallace-induced fervor, is the next paragraph Stein writes, the one that begins "Don't see a real trade possibility here." That's the money paragraph. Because there isn't a real trade possibility there.

Wallace makes nearly $14 million, and Detroit GM Joe Dumars appears intent on accepting only expiring contracts in any deal for any player. Dumars also reportedly hasn't given up hope in joining the Amare Stoudemire sweepstakes, of which Wallace would be a required part. Put together, these factors would make it very, very difficult for the Spurs to do the math neccesary to nab Wallace.

The Spurs have only two players with expiring contracts -- Jacque Vaughn ($1.2 million) and Ime Udoka ($1.08 million). That's a long, long way off from the $14 million they'd need to clear from their payroll to make a deal for Wallace legal. As far as hurdles go, it's the Great Wall of China.

We're not saying it's impossible. Just highly improbable.

With a dearth of expiring contracts -- the golden chips in these salary-dump deals -- the Spurs are likely facing a quiet trading season. It is well-known that they would like to add another big man, but it also well-known they probably don't have the pieces to land anyone of consequence.

A sign-and-trade with Robert Horry could open more doors, but as of last night, Horry hadn't heard word one from the Spurs.

So if, you're holding your breath waiting for Wallace to don silver and black, you're likely to be blue until July at the earliest. Wallace will be a free agent then, and if he were willing to work for substantially less than $14 million, the Spurs would surely listen.

This pretty much proves what I was saying earlier..
Lets see you idiots go bitch at this guy..
I'm done...
Thread closed. :rolleyes

[Duncan2177]

trade duncan for sheed and then hope pistons cut duncan and spurs re-sign him
GENIUS!

:jack

[PDXSpursFan]

This deal can only happen if we:

1) Include Bowen and Horry (re-sign)
2) Include cash for Detroit to buy out both
3) Add some additonal talent (Hill?, Mahimi?, Splitter-rights?)
4) Detroit doesn't find a better deal anywhere else

[Ditty]

This pretty much proves what I was saying earlier..
Lets see you idiots go bitch at this guy..
I'm done...
Thread closed. :rolleyes

if oklahoma gets in this where they want to get rid of chris wilcox and earl watson and send them to detroit and just send ime over there to detroit it works i bet the spurs are talking to oklahoma to get on it

amare is not going to detroit so i beleive detorit wants something in return and thats when we give them splitter damn i wish i worked in the spurs front office

[coyotes_geek]

I get the impression that OKC is fine with just standing pat and letting Wilcox expire. Otherwise, wouldn't they be playing him?

[Jayem2]

we all know this trade isn't gonna happen! pop and rc are too pussy to make it go down!

[Ditty]

I get the impression that OKC is fine with just standing pat and letting Wilcox expire. Otherwise, wouldn't they be playing him?

i know but they will have to pay the luxury tax if they dont get rid of them

[ss1986v2]

i know but they will have to pay the luxury tax if they dont get rid of them

no. okc is well below the tax line.

[coyotes_geek]

i know but they will have to pay the luxury tax if they dont get rid of them

They're way under the tax threshold.

[Ditty]

thats what that guy from sportcenter said about a hour ago when they were talking about th jermain oneal and shawn marion trade that oklahoma is looking to get rid of watson and/or wilcox for luxary tax reason im just postin what i heard

[EricB]

This pretty much proves what I was saying earlier..
Lets see you idiots go bitch at this guy..
I'm done...
Thread closed. :rolleyes


Except your 100% wrong in the complete subject.

Take it somewhere else jackass.

[DPG21920]

I get the impression that OKC is fine with just standing pat and letting Wilcox expire. Otherwise, wouldn't they be playing him?

It is weird? I think they may be trying to get something for him. The latest reports confirmed that OKC has interest in trading w/ Detroit for Amir Johnson.

[coyotes_geek]

thats what that guy from sportcenter said about a hour ago when they were talking about th jermain oneal and shawn marion trade that oklahoma is looking to get rid of watson and/or wilcox for luxary tax reason im just postin what i heard

OKC may be looking to get rid of watson & wilcox, but it won't have any affect on their tax situation. Tax threshold is $71.15 mil, their team payroll is like $65 mil.

Most announcers and writers don't understand how all that stuff works to begin with.

[Duncan2177]

I wonder if a 3 team trade is in the works? Rasheed to the spurs?

[coyotes_geek]

It is weird? I think they may be trying to get something for him. The latest reports confirmed that OKC has interest in trading w/ Detroit for Amir Johnson.

They very well may be. I just find it odd that they've basically buried Wilcox on the bench and haven't been all that active on the trade buzz, despite having loads of draft picks, young talent and expiring contracts.

[Matches Malone]

When I saw the thread heading, I yelled "Sheeeeeeed" load enough for one of my co-workers to peep into my office.
Then I saw the page count, and I said if reading through 24 pages is what it takes for the FO to pull this one up, I'll do it...gladly.
One hour and 27 minutes later, I finished reading the whole thread and....

"if reading through 26 pages is what it take for the FO to pull this one up, I'll do it again..."

I usually don't post. Not that I don't like, but I can not find myself to write as eloquently and knowledgably as some of the ST posters. So why put crap like this in every thread, but I think that this is a special one. I think that Sheed will get us over the top. I used to live in Detroit and my company has season tickets as well as a corporate lounge. I've seen him playing quite often and Sheed is what we are missing: a defensive anchor to help Tim lock the paint both with rebounds and blocks. As bonuses, he comes with a deadly 3-point shooting, a winning mentality, and an intimidating stance (people really think twice before attacking his side).

So take it at face value...this is my contribution and vote of hope to make this real.
You know, eventually, if everybody put their grain of hope...it might happen. So, do it!
Worse thing that can happen is just the empty feeling that all Spurs fan already know when blockbusters trades are being talked about. So all of you should be used to by now.
Go Spurs Go!

[Cry Havoc]

no way in hell they trade Lee for Ian. no way.

And why not?

New York is currently paying out $97 million in salary.

David Lee's contract expires this year at $1.7 mil.

He's going to get at LEAST $9-10 mil per season.

No way in HELL the Knicks can afford that. They're $39,000,000 OVER the cap right now. Add Lee's salary after this year and you're talking a 30-40 million dollar contract. Lee is going somewhere else. Why not get a potentially decent post player and some picks for him?

[ss1986v2]

And why not?

New York is currently paying out $97 MILLION in salary.

David Lee's contract expires this year at $1.7 mil.

He's going to get at LEAST $9-10 mil per season.

No way in HELL the Knicks can afford that. They're $39,000,000 OVER the cap right now. Lee is going somewhere else. Why not get a potentially decent post player and some picks for him?

ny can and will pay the tax to keep talent (97 mil is actually one of their lower figures in recent years). they may look to move lee after signing him (to maximize their 2010 cap space), but they arent moving him for scraps just because.

[coyotes_geek]

And why not?

New York is currently paying out $97 million in salary.

David Lee's contract expires this year at $1.7 mil.

He's going to get at LEAST $9-10 mil per season.

No way in HELL the Knicks can afford that. They're $39,000,000 OVER the cap right now. Add Lee's salary after this year and you're talking a 30-40 million dollar contract. Lee is going somewhere else. Why not get a potentially decent post player and some picks for him?

Because they can do much better than that.

[JamStone]

Joe Dumars said the other day that he would not make a trade unless it made the team better, and not just for the future. So, yes, it would require a third team. He's also not trying to add salary. Both Oberto and Bowen have contracts next season, even if they do expire for 2010. There hasn't been any rumors here in Detroit about a trade with the Spurs. Dumars would have to get a big man back that can help now. Who would that be?

I still say there's no chance of a trade where Rasheed goes to the Spurs could happen, but more and more talk of the rumor appears to be giving it some legs.

[SpursDynasty]

I really hate trade rumor threads. 99% of the time, the trade doesn't happen.

And if we really need a big (I don't think we do), then they should just trade Manu already. Yes we all love him and he's the reason we have 3 championships, but if we can give up one of the Big Three, then he's the one.

If not, then lets stop the trade rumor threads and stick with what we have because a trade isn't going to happen.

[Kermit]

Joe Dumars said the other day that he would not make a trade unless it made the team better, and not just for the future. So, yes, it would require a third team. He's also not trying to add salary. Both Oberto and Bowen have contracts next season, even if they do expire for 2010. There hasn't been any rumors here in Detroit about a trade with the Spurs. Dumars would have to get a big man back that can help now. Who would that be?

I still say there's no chance of a trade where Rasheed goes to the Spurs could happen, but more and more talk of the rumor appears to be giving it some legs.

Rome just covered it with Reggie. This rumor is killing me.

[Ice009]

that's just my point. I am sure Pistons have a better offer on the table already, if not multiple better offers.

Again, if they want to unload Sheed they will get something of value back. Other teams can offer a whole lot more than SPurs.

And Rasheed can turn around and do what he did to get to Detroit and say he's not playing for the team he is traded to.

[Buddy Holly]

This trade works for SA, PHX and DET.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cttxeo

[TD4THREE]

Was watching jim rome who had Reggie Miller on the show,and rome brought up the possibility of the Spurs trading for Wallace and asked Miller if the Spurs should make the trade. Miller of course said yes, and that it would be our pau gasol type trade. So there's some truth to this rumor. Hope they make it happen.

[xtremesteven33]

Its like the media doesnt want to talk about it so it doesnt get any kind of legs and it will just go away, knowing if they do get Wallace thats it for the NBA....

[Cry Havoc]

This trade works for SA, PHX and DET.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cttxeo

The only thing I see about that is that no one wants Amare right now. If Detroit got Amare the fans there would kill themselves, because it would be the last they see of post defense for a while in Detroit.

[Buddy Holly]

You seriously believe that?

[Cry Havoc]

You seriously believe that?

Well, they did trade for Iverson. :lol

[DPG21920]

Joe Dumars said the other day that he would not make a trade unless it made the team better, and not just for the future. So, yes, it would require a third team. He's also not trying to add salary. Both Oberto and Bowen have contracts next season, even if they do expire for 2010. There hasn't been any rumors here in Detroit about a trade with the Spurs. Dumars would have to get a big man back that can help now. Who would that be?

I still say there's no chance of a trade where Rasheed goes to the Spurs could happen, but more and more talk of the rumor appears to be giving it some legs.

I am pretty sure that both Oberto and Bowen are not guaranteed for next year.

[ss1986v2]

I am pretty sure that both Oberto and Bowen are not guaranteed for next year.

no, they are partially guaranteed for 1/2 their salary. again, i cant see detroit taking non expirings for sheed...

[DPG21920]

no, they are partially guaranteed for 1/2 their salary. again, i cant see detroit taking non expirings for sheed...

Ok, so if they save millions in luxury tax by doing a deal, negotiate a buyout (which would be very cheap) then they are expired contracts, no?

[ss1986v2]

Ok, so if they save millions in luxury tax by doing a deal, negotiate a buyout (which would be very cheap) then they are expired contracts, no?

the luxury tax impact this year has nothing to do with their cap figures next years (detroit wants to maximize cap space, especially considering the impact the current economic state may have on the cap).

for them to become expiring, they would have to accept a very small buyout, which is very, very uncommon (dice took a significant cut to return to detroit though). and i cant see bowen doing this, considering all the pay cuts he took through his years on the spurs.

[angelbelow]

im guessing this wont go thru until the trade deadline. sucks that this thread was created so early because now i cant wait..

[AA2120]

ehh??

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bhvb7v

[coyotes_geek]

ehh??

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bhvb7v

Detroit gets a little crowded at SG/SF with Vince, Prince & Hamilton all on the same team. I'm guessing Detroit would want a PF, C or PG if they were going to make a move.

[SpursDynasty]

This trade is not going to happen. Can we get a lock on this thread?

[DPG21920]

the luxury tax impact this year has nothing to do with their cap figures next years (detroit wants to maximize cap space, especially considering the impact the current economic state may have on the cap).

for them to become expiring, they would have to accept a very small buyout, which is very, very uncommon (dice took a significant cut to return to detroit though). and i cant see bowen doing this, considering all the pay cuts he took through his years on the spurs.

There contracts are so small, what is a standard buyout? 50%?

[coyotes_geek]

As much as I hate to say it as a Spurs fan, if I were Pistons fan the thing that would sound best to me would be to just hang on to Sheed, let him and AI walk at the end of the year and go make a run at Carlos Boozer this offseason.

[ThriveForFive]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b2jr89

Bowen gets brought back. Pistons receive quality as well as expiring contracts.
Thunder gets some good locker room guys, and they have connections with us;)

[AA2120]

Detroit gets a little crowded at SG/SF with Vince, Prince & Hamilton all on the same team. I'm guessing Detroit would want a PF, C or PG if they were going to make a move.


true true..
this new trade machine is awsome :lol

[coyotes_geek]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=b2jr89

Bowen gets brought back. Pistons receive quality as well as expiring contracts.
Thunder gets some good locker room guys, and they have connections with us;)

Desmond Mason and Joe Smith count as quality for Detroit???

[EricB]

As much as I hate to say it as a Spurs fan, if I were Pistons fan the thing that would sound best to me would be to just hang on to Sheed, let him and AI walk at the end of the year and go make a run at Carlos Boozer this offseason.

I don't know if they would have the ability to give Boozer the max or not.

[xtremesteven33]

Its gonna be a long week....haha

[ThriveForFive]

With Iverson, Hamilton, and Prince on that team they don't really need a star in return. I know it's reaching, but I can dream.

[Taking it to the Hole]

I just don't see why Detroit would agree to a trade that will make them worse when they are in the playoff hunt. Just does not seem to add up.

[Manufan909]

It's not like they're going far with him anyways, might as well save some money.

[Kindergarten Cop]

As much as I would LOVE for this to trade to go down, a much more likely scenario is being reported right now with Phoenix sending Stoudemire to Detroit for Wallace and Amir Johnson.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11508

[BlackSwordsMan]

can this thread be burned

[Borosai]

I just got off the phone with my source in Detroit, and I'm sure he was about to tell me that Wallace is headed to San Antonio, but he had to hang up to wipe. So... more waiting I guess.

[tp2021]

If Amare goes to Cleveland or Chicago as rumored, I will be so happy, because it increases our shot at Sheed.

Moreso if he goes to Chi-town. The Cleveland rumor has him going for chips (Hickson and Wally world).

[Ditty]

intersting week coming

[Thomas82]

intersting week coming

It definately is.

[PuttPutt]

intersting week coming


Which will probably lead to nothing. I want to believe, but given the past Spurs "deadline" deals, I'm not getting my hopes up.

[coyotes_geek]

Which will probably lead to nothing. I want to believe, but given the past Spurs "deadline" deals, I'm not getting my hopes up.

Exactly. The smart money is on the Spurs not making a deal (not because they didn't try) and picking up some big oaf out of the d-league.

[Thompson]

How many options does Detroit have to unload Wallace? Especially if he is adamant that he only wants to come to San Antonio?

Maybe the V. Carter talks aren't serious (at least on the Spurs' end), but they're trying to give Detroit a little push; 'either give us 'Sheed for what we're currently offering, or we trade with someone else and you lose your chance to net $5 million, not to mention tank a little more for a better draft pick this year. Wallace will walk and you'll have gained nothing.' Putting pressure on the Pistons in this manner would make it harder for them to hold out until the deadline, hoping the Spurs would throw in a little more.

[coyotes_geek]

There's no way to pressure the Pistons though. They're going to have cap room this offseason. A lot. If Sheed leaves they just take their cap space and go get someone else. They don't need to give away Sheed at pennies on the dollar because they'll have the resources to go get a replacement.

[Thompson]

There's no way to pressure the Pistons though. They're going to have cap room this offseason. A lot. If Sheed leaves they just take their cap space and go get someone else. They don't need to give away Sheed at pennies on the dollar because they'll have the resources to go get a replacement.

Yes, but if they deal with the Spurs they could have the same cap space and $5 million net gained (not having to pay lux. tax this year plus they get a part of the divided luxury tax from everyone who pays it). Also, they can tank more easily. I don't think many in Detroit see them with a great chance at a championship this year. Maybe the Spurs throw in Golden State's 2nd rounder this year (around the 36th overall pick in the draft).

[ss1986v2]

Yes, but if they deal with the Spurs they could have the same cap space and $5 million net gained (not having to pay lux. tax this year plus they get a part of the divided luxury tax from everyone who pays it). Also, they can tank more easily. I don't think many in Detroit see them with a great chance at a championship this year. Maybe the Spurs throw in Golden States 2nd rounder this year (around the 36th overall pick in the draft).

we dont have enough expirings (even with horry) for them to net the same cap space.

[coyotes_geek]

Yes, but if they deal with the Spurs they could have the same cap space and $5 million net gained (not having to pay lux. tax this year plus they get a part of the divided luxury tax from everyone who pays it). Also, they can tank more easily. I don't think many in Detroit see them with a great chance at a championship this year. Maybe the Spurs throw in Golden State's 2nd rounder this year (around the 36th overall pick in the draft).

But they wouldn't have the same cap space. Oberto, Bowen, Finley all have another year. The only true expirings the Spurs could offer are Ime & Vaughn. If Horry is willing to play ball he could be another one, but do we know whether he's willing?

Dodging the luxury tax would be a benefit for them, but there's plenty of other teams out there who can assist them in doing that. And it won't cost them Rasheed to do it.

[Thompson]

But they wouldn't have the same cap space. Oberto, Bowen, Finley all have another year. The only true expirings the Spurs could offer are Ime & Vaughn. If Horry is willing to play ball he could be another one, but do we know whether he's willing?

Dodging the luxury tax would be a benefit for them, but there's plenty of other teams out there who can assist them in doing that. And it won't cost them Rasheed to do it.

Ah, I was thinking if we sent them the money to waive Oberto and Bowen it wouldn't affect the cap space. Even so, they might prefer saving $5 million and losing a little cap space, unless they're planning on turning around and using that space immediately. They're in rebuilding mode, and they might want to hold off until 2010. I guess I'm also hoping they'll have some desire to do Rasheed a solid since he helped them win a title. Oh well.

[ss1986v2]

Ah, I was thinking if we sent them the money to waive Oberto and Bowen it wouldn't affect the cap space. Even so, they might prefer saving $5 million and losing a little cap space, unless they're planning on turning around and using that space immediately.

my math may be a bit off, but the pistons should only be between 600K and 1.6 mil over the tax line. so all they would have to do is find a team willing to take some fodder off their books for nothing and they get below the tax line (choose whoever of acker, bynum, and herrmann it would take).

no need to trade sheed to get below the tax line.

[DPG21920]

my math may be a bit off, but the pistons should only be between 600K and 1.6 mil over the tax line. so all they would have to do is find a team willing to take some fodder off their books for nothing and they get below the tax line (choose whoever of acker, bynum, and herrmann it would take).

no need to trade sheed to get below the tax line.

Yes, but IF they can trade sheed and keep their cap space (which is a possibility) and get under the luxury tax in doing so, you have to consider that they might grant Sheed his wish of being traded (if there is one). Especially if they can get a player (probably on an expiring contract or rookie scale contract) as well.

[ss1986v2]

Yes, but IF they can trade sheed and keep their cap space (which is a possibility) and get under the luxury tax in doing so, you have to consider that they might grant Sheed his wish of being traded (if there is one). Especially if they can get a player (probably on an expiring contract or rookie scale contract) as well.

but the base trade being discussed here (horry + filler contracts + marginal assets) doesnt give them all of the above. we can give them tax relief, and other assets (limited picks, splitter, mahinmi). we cant give them sufficient expirings.

[DPG21920]

but the base trade being discussed here (horry + filler contracts + marginal assets) doesnt give them all of the above. we can give them tax relief, and other assets (limited picks, splitter, mahinmi). we cant give them sufficient expirings.

No, but as already discussed, there would be buyouts involved that with the money saved and perhaps cash considerations (which can also be up to 3 million) then that does essentially give them that.

With contracts this small individually, I cannot believe that the buyouts would be that large.

[DPG21920]

Not only is this contingent on finding a 3rd team probably, but it also has to factor in how much Sheed is actually pressing to be traded. If Sheed is not pressing, there is probably very little chance.

[coyotes_geek]

Buyouts still count against the cap.

[DPG21920]

Buyouts count against the cap.

For the following year?

[coyotes_geek]

Yes. Whatever the buyout amount is gets prorated across all remaining years of the contract.

[DPG21920]

Yes. Whatever the buyout amount is gets prorated across all remaining years of the contract.

How does that work for partially guaranteed contracts such as Oberto and Bowen?

[ss1986v2]

No, but as already discussed, there would be buyouts involved that with the money saved and perhaps cash considerations (which can also be up to 3 million) then that does essentially give them that.

With contracts this small individually, I cannot believe that the buyouts would be that large.

again, the players in question would have to waive a large portion of the money that they would be owed.

and whatever money we give the pistons has nothing to do with the buyouts. whatever amount of money the pistons pay to buyout the players contracts stays on their books as a cap hit. they dont spend the theoretical 3 mil and the contracts simply go away. thats not how buyouts work.

there is the issue of right of set-off. but its a bit complicated, so im just going to ignore it. but if you are interested, heres the bit from larry coon:


If another team signs a released player who had a guaranteed contract (as long as the player has cleared waivers -- see question number 54), the player's original team is allowed to reduce the amount of money they still owe the player (and lower their team salary) by a commensurate amount (this is called the right of set-off). This is true if the player signs with any professional team -- it doesn't even have to be an NBA team. The amount the original team gets to set off is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran (if the player is a rookie, then the rookie minimum is used instead).

For example, suppose a fifth-year player is waived during the 2005 offseason, with one guaranteed season remaining on his contract. If this player signs a $1 million contract with another NBA team for the 2005-06 season, his original team gets to set off $1 million minus $641,748 (the minimum for a one-year veteran in 2005-06), divided by two, or $179,126. If this player had a $5 million salary with his prior team, then his prior team would be responsible for the remaining $4,820,874. Note that between his prior team and new team the player will earn a combined $5,820,874, which was more than he made prior to being waived.

again, its a bit complicated, but it doesnt equate to all that much, so i simply ignore it.

[DPG21920]

The money we give them helps them eat the buyout "cost", albeit more indirectly.

[coyotes_geek]

How does that work for partially guaranteed contracts such as Oberto and Bowen?

You just take the guaranteed money and figure out what percentage of that is due in each remaining year of the contract. Then you take the buyout amount and divvy it up across the remaining years based on those percentages. For example if you're buying out a guy who has 2 years left and 60% of the guaranteed money remaining on his deal is owed this year and 40% next year then 60% of the buyout hits this year and 40% next year.

[ss1986v2]

The money we give them helps them eat the buyout "cost", albeit more indirectly.

yes it helps with the cost, but it does absolutely nothing to the cap hits they would take. so it doesnt matter when it comes to their cap space.

[DPG21920]

yes it helps with the cost, but it does absolutely nothing to the cap hits they would take. so it doesnt matter when it comes to their cap space.

I guess the question comes down to which is more enticing to the Pistons:

A) Have 34 million in cap space (Sheed and Iverson expiring) and pay luxury tax

or

B) Have ~30 million (assuming buyout cap hit) + young player (Ian or Tiago) or solid player with expiring from 3rd team + avoid the luxury tax + get money from luxury tax pool + possible draft pick (s) + cash considerations.

[Ditty]

he's coming

trust me

i heard from a little bird :)

[DPG21920]

Like I said, I think how much Sheed is pushing for a trade will determine the outcome. If he is cool with just playing it out, then not a good chance. If he really is pushing for a trade, it might help the odds.

[ss1986v2]

I guess the question comes down to which is more enticing to the Pistons:

A) Have 34 million in cap space (Sheed and Iverson expiring) and pay luxury tax

or

B) Have ~30 million (assuming buyout cap hit) + young player (Ian or Tiago) or solid player with expiring from 3rd team + avoid the luxury tax + get money from luxury tax pool + possible draft pick (s) + cash considerations.

those arent their only options though. they could make a minor deal (dump acker or herrmann), still maximize their cap space, avoid the luxury tax, and get their piece of the pie. they dont have to move sheed to get below the tax line.

[Ditty]

jut wait till tuesday no later than thursday

i havent been this excited ever

lets just say that i found out one my friends dads works for the spurs

[DPG21920]

those arent their only options though. they could make a minor deal (dump acker or herrmann), still maximize their cap space, avoid the luxury tax, and get their piece of the pie. they dont have to move sheed to get below the tax line.

True, but that does not land them a quality player with an expiring contract, or draft picks, or a young prospect on a rookie scale.

But you are right. They do have options.

[DPG21920]

jut wait till tuesday no later than thursday

i havent been this excited ever

lets just say that i found out one my friends dads works for the spurs

Quit it!

[Ditty]

Quit it!

yup but im not promissing anything and my friends dad is good friends with RC i heard and he dosen't bullshit about really important things but he said its about a 75% chance it goes down right it will probably get higher during the week he said that discussing more about salary cap issues then the trade itself so my guess is that dumars already agreed to trade rasheed to san antonio thats what i heard don't get too hard :lol

[ace3g]

are you telling the truth , spursowntexas? if so it will be a good move by the Spurs,

its funny, but the last couple of years at the trade deadline the Spurs have traded for a PF/C as the main piece

2005 - Nazr
2008 - Kurt Thomas
2009 - Rasheed?

[DPG21920]

yup but im not promissing anything and my friends dad is good friends with RC i heard and he dosen't bullshit about really important things but he said its about a 75% chance it goes down right it will probably get higher during the week he said that discussing more about salary cap issues then the trade itself so my guess is that dumars already agreed to trade rasheed to san antonio thats what i heard don't get too hard :lol

The fact that you used absolutely no punctuation leads me to believe you are lying to us:lol

[Ice009]

yup but im not promissing anything and my friends dad is good friends with RC i heard and he dosen't bullshit about really important things but he said its about a 75% chance it goes down right it will probably get higher during the week he said that discussing more about salary cap issues then the trade itself so my guess is that dumars already agreed to trade rasheed to san antonio thats what i heard don't get too hard :lol

Don't go bullshitting us.

[Ditty]

The fact that you used absolutely no punctuation leads me to believe you are lying to us:lol

look at all my postings i never use punction where not getting a grade on this or anything i actually made a B last semester in Freshman Compostition at SAC ha

but yah thats what i heard it seemed like dumars really wants to shake up this team and see how good his yound talent is, but he didn't mention anything about who's getting traded but i guess spurs did something to kinda change his mind and he didn't say that there will be another team involved i guess his dad can't really talk to much about it but im just posting what i heard

[Ditty]

so i just got to wait and see liek everybody else but if he's wrong ill punch him in the balls cuz ill be pissed myself

ill keep up with any updates im not the best of friends with this guy but he knows that i love the spurs so he just broke the story to me 30 minutes ago

i hope it's true ill pray tonight

later guys

[DPG21920]

I was just messing with you about the punctuation. It was a joke.

[Ice009]

so i just got to wait and see liek everybody else but if he's wrong ill punch him in the balls cuz ill be pissed myself

ill keep up with any updates im not the best of friends with this guy but he knows that i love the spurs so he just broke the story to me 30 minutes ago

i hope it's true ill pray tonight

later guys

Do you think he is bullshitting you then? Or was he straight up serious? Maybe the Spurs told him to say that to avert attention from another player they are going after?

[xellos88330]

ok, i think i am going to stay away from ST until after the trade deadline. all of these posts fill me with hope, then dash them, then bring them back again. You are all cruel people. :lol

[PuttPutt]

ok, i think i am going to stay away from ST until after the trade deadline. all of these posts fill me with hope, then dash them, then bring them back again. You are all cruel people. :lol


+1.

My problem is I want & almost have to keep checking back here. Speculation SUCKS!!!

[Thomas82]

ok, i think i am going to stay away from ST until after the trade deadline. all of these posts fill me with hope, then dash them, then bring them back again. You are all cruel people. :lol


I'm with you on that one.

[024]

there was a thread in the basketball section that porters was fired by the suns a few days ago. then the same radio station reported it was false. there was another thread where someone said a "reliable source" indicated that amare was to be traded to the cavs. that turned out to be false as well. i try not to be excited until a spurs trade is actually confirmed.

[ace3g]

I'm sure most of you have noticed, but we play the Pistons on Thursday, the trade deadline, so maybe that is a good omen that the trade will work out,

[bigfan]

My sources tell me we dont need any guys like Rasheed on our team. Pop would bench his azz the first time he smarted off or started sulking. The guy can play but he brings too much baggage.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

29 pages? Seriously? You do realize the only trade we've ever made of significance in this era was Malik Rose for Nazr Mohammed, right?

You guys are all on crack.

[lotr1trekkie]

Exactly how does Sheed work into whatever's left of the current rotation? I assume he comes off the bench to replace Tim and then at crunchtime Tim plays center and Sheed power forward. Sounds awesome.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Exactly how does Sheed work into whatever's left of the current rotation? I assume he comes off the bench to replace Tim and then at crunchtime Tim plays center and Sheed power forward. Sounds awesome.

Tim at Center with Sheed at PF they both need to start.

[Ghost Writer]

29 pages? Seriously? You do realize the only trade we've ever made of significance in this era was Malik Rose for Nazr Mohammed, right?

You guys are all on crack.

Dude's an @ssh0le, but he's got a point.

The Spurs can't attract talent outside the draft and even then, they need lottery balls (Duncan and Robinson).

Manu and Parker in the past 20 years is not enough.

[phxspurfan]

Man, if we get Wallace for nothing.

Not likely to happen, but man.........

That would be a big " In Your Face, Lakers! "

I wonder if that would be what this is all about...league conspiracy/revenge against that awful Laker trade.

[phxspurfan]

How many championships does this buy us? 2? 3?

[EricB]

Dude's an @ssh0le, but he's got a point.

The Spurs can't attract talent outside the draft and even then, they need lottery balls (Duncan and Robinson).

Manu and Parker in the past 20 years is not enough.


So Roger Mason has no talent?

[DPG21920]

Considering the Pau trade did not buy the Lakers a championship (yet), 0.

[Slinkyman]

Considering the Pau trade did not buy the Lakers a championship (yet), 0.

But the KG trade has already bought Boston one.

[phxspurfan]

Considering the Pau trade did not buy the Lakers a championship (yet), 0.

Everything is barring major injury. Bynum is a major injury against a team with the best front line in the league last year (C's). Actually second-best to the Lakers w/Bynum.

[phxspurfan]

This trade works for SA, PHX and DET.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cttxeo

Suns won't do trades involving the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

But the KG trade has already bought Boston one.

Boston had to give up a franchise player in Al Jefferson, not the same as the Gasol trade.

[Thomas82]

Boston had to give up a franchise player in Al Jefferson, not the same as the Gasol trade.

I didn't think Al Jefferson was considered a franchise player for Boston.

[DPG21920]

I didn't think Al Jefferson was considered a franchise player for Boston.

Are you trying to say they did not know how good he was? He is clearly a franchise player.

[de Soto]

The original poster is only repeating what was said on Chris Duel's show on ESPN Radio. Duel had a source on his show on Thursday with connection to the Pistons who said that the Spurs were talking about a deal with the Pistons that involved Finley and Fab (PLUS MORE) for Rasheed.

Duel is a blithering idiot.

[Thomas82]

Are you trying to say they did not know how good he was? He is clearly a franchise player.


No I'm not. I just thought with Paul Pierce already there, and they had traded for Ray Allen, that other than the Celtics not too many people looked at him as a franchise player. I will agree with you, yes he is a franchise player for the T-Wolves.

[DrHouse]

Rasheed Wallace does not guarantee the Spurs a championship.

All it does is even the playing field against the Lakers, assuming Bynum gets back. You people are delusional.

[DrHouse]

Not really.

Wallace isn't nearly the player he was even a year ago. His defense has slipped, rebounding has slipped, and his post game is non existent.

Obviously he'll make the Spurs better, but the notion that he'll put the Spurs above and beyond the rest of the league is ludicrous.

[Spurtacus]

Eh, not sure about giving up Finley. As much as I hated him last year and offseason, he's done a great job this season.

I'd rather us package Oberto/Udoka/cash for Wallace...somehow, if it can be done...

[xtremesteven33]

Not really.

Wallace isn't nearly the player he was even a year ago. His defense has slipped, rebounding has slipped, and his post game is non existent.

Obviously he'll make the Spurs better, but the notion that he'll put the Spurs above and beyond the rest of the league is ludicrous.


IF SOMEHOW we do land Wallace.

Spurs over Lakers in 6....and you can quote me on that.

[daslicer]

I think if the spurs get Sheed they beat LA simply because Gasol is a big pussy. Gasol melts against physical players like Sheed. I count on a big meltdown like he did in his grizzly days which will take him out of the equation. It will be a bigger meltdown then what Dirk experienced against Jax back in '07. That in return forces the Lakers to rely on Bynum to be the man which I don't think he's ready to do consistently. I just don't see Bynum being able to throw down 20-10 every game in a 7 game series against the spurs if they get Sheed.

[sprrs]

Not really.

Wallace isn't nearly the player he was even a year ago. His defense has slipped, rebounding has slipped, and his post game is non existent.

Obviously he'll make the Spurs better, but the notion that he'll put the Spurs above and beyond the rest of the league is ludicrous.

Lack of motivation does that to a player. See Billups before the Denver trade.

[Bruno]

Getting Sheed would be huge. The problem is that I don't really see a straight trade that makes sense for Detroit.

The only ways I see Spurs getting Sheed is Detroit making a block buster trade (like for Amare) and Spurs being a part of it. Detroit can also trade Sheed with his expiring contract to a rebuilding team for a vet. In this case, the rebuilding team can waive him and Spurs can try to sign him as a FA.

Spurs will definitely need some luck to get Sheed.

[td4mvp21]

I don't think Sheed would mean an automatic victory over the Lakers in a playoff series. The Lakers are pretty good and the defending West champions so....yeah, Spurs would still have a tough series. It would definitely help to have Sheed against them, it would give us a really good opportunity to beat them in the playoffs.

[DrHouse]

I don't think Sheed would mean an automatic victory over the Lakers in a playoff series. The Lakers are pretty good and the defending West champions so....yeah, Spurs would still have a tough series. It would definitely help to have Sheed against them, it would give us a really good opportunity to beat them in the playoffs.

I think with a healthy Bynum the Lakers are clearly a step above the Spurs. Rasheed Wallace would level the playing field IMHO and make for one hell of a WCF.

[DPG21920]

I dont think this is going to happen. I want it to, but it does not add up.

[coyotes_geek]

I think with a healthy Bynum the Lakers are clearly a step above the Spurs. Rasheed Wallace would level the playing field IMHO and make for one hell of a WCF.

Sadly, I have to agree with you.

[Duncan2177]

Eh, not sure about giving up Finley. As much as I hated him last year and offseason, he's done a great job this season.

I'd rather us package Oberto/Udoka/cash for Wallace...somehow, if it can be done...

Finley hasnt been that great the last spurs game against toronto he was open for a 3 in the final seconds of the game and passed the ball.

[phxspurfan]

Not really.

Wallace isn't nearly the player he was even a year ago. His defense has slipped, rebounding has slipped, and his post game is non existent.

Obviously he'll make the Spurs better, but the notion that he'll put the Spurs above and beyond the rest of the league is ludicrous.

Are you kidding? Wallace in playoffs >> Bynum in playoffs.

[K-State Spur]

Rasheed Wallace does not guarantee the Spurs a championship.

All it does is even the playing field against the Lakers, assuming Bynum gets back. You people are delusional.

of course it wouldn't guarantee it. but it would make the Spurs the favorites.

that said, i still don't expect it to happen.

[Condemned 2 HelLA]

You people are delusional.


Pot, meet kettle.

[xtremesteven33]

These are some of the rumored deals before Thursday's trade deadline, which means probably none of them will happen and one about which you never heard a peep will:

• Phoenix All-Star Amare Stoudemire to Chicago for Drew Gooden's expiring contract, Tyrus Thomas and Thabo Sefolosha. Oklahoma City, Memphis and perhaps Portland are other possible destinations for Stoudemire, whose contract the Suns owner wants to dump to slash costs in this failing economy.

• Detroit dealing Rasheed Wallace, perhaps to San Antonio, for expiring contracts.

• Charlotte and Indiana swapping point guards -- restricted free agent Raymond Felton and exiled Jamaal Tinsley -- in a multiplayer deal.

• Cleveland dealing Wally Szczerbiak's expiring $13 million salary slot for what it considers the final piece -- Vince Carter? -- to the LeBron James championship jigsaw.

• Former Timberwolf Mike James and Etan Thomas from Washington to Chicago for Larry Hughes.

http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/39591762.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUo8cyaiUiD3aPc:_Yyc:a ULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

[Thompson]

Dr. House, what is your sig supposed to mean? I don't get the LWO, the numbers, etc.

[HarlemHeat37]

a "healthy" Bynum doesn't exist..

if we somehow get 'Sheed, we probably beat LA in 5 or 6..quote me on that..

[BlackSwordsMan]

Rasheed Wallace does not guarantee the Spurs a championship.

.

he guaransheed's a spurs championship :lobt2:

[daslicer]

a "healthy" Bynum doesn't exist..

if we somehow get 'Sheed, we probably beat LA in 5 or 6..quote me on that..

Agreed Bynum just looks like he's going to be an injury prone bigman in the mold of Danny Manning. I feel the same way if the spurs can get sheed they take out LA in 5 or 6 games. Got to factor in that Gasol is soft as tissue and would melt with Sheed out there on the court.

[anjlbitz]

• Detroit dealing Rasheed Wallace, perhaps to San Antonio, for expiring contracts.
Isn't Rasheed Wallace's contract an expiring contract as well?

[ss1986v2]

Isn't Rasheed Wallace's contract an expiring contract as well?

yes, and we dont even have enough expiring contracts to match sheeds expiring...

[ss1986v2]

Horry! He can sign for what ever amount and retire again, hes a blank check. I would love to see S Kerr take Horry for Shaq, Hell they wanna save money, we get Shaq and we win the next two titles!!!

no. if we sign him for anything more than about 4.25 mil, he becomes BYC. and then making a functioning trade becomes even more complicated...