ESPN Radio Rumor: Rasheed for fab and finley (and others)

[tp2021]

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[rascal]

Not really.

Wallace isn't nearly the player he was even a year ago. His defense has slipped, rebounding has slipped, and his post game is non existent.

Obviously he'll make the Spurs better, but the notion that he'll put the Spurs above and beyond the rest of the league is ludicrous.


Agree. Wallace does not automatically put the spurs over the top but he will add much needed frontline help and the lakers series will be closer to a toss up then it is now. So getting Wallace is a move in the positive direction to beating the Lakers.

[Agloco]

Not really.

Wallace isn't nearly the player he was even a year ago. His defense has slipped, rebounding has slipped, and his post game is non existent.

Obviously he'll make the Spurs better, but the notion that he'll put the Spurs above and beyond the rest of the league is ludicrous.

One needs to ask why?

I'd bet this is due to lack of interest more than an erosion of skills. Coming to a championship contender is exactly what he needs to be his old productive self again. I'd have to say that Sheed would definitely put the Spurs ahead of everyone, considering that they are virtually even already (after the 2-5 start).

[xmas1997]

Finley hasnt been that great the last spurs game against toronto he was open for a 3 in the final seconds of the game and passed the ball.

Finley has been hobbled with a bad back lately.


yes, and we dont even have enough expiring contracts to match sheeds expiring...

And if you add a trade of Horry (full Bird rights) to the mix you have enough expiring contracts.
Plus I think we have to make up only the amount of Sheeds' pro-rated amount for this year rather than the whole years' worth of contract amount.

[Manufan909]

It's good to have been gone a couple of days, this waiting to see what happens has been killing me. Fuck, I can't wait for the 19th(?), so I can stop constantly wondering if Sheed/Chandler/Wilcox/Smith/Camby will make it.

I myself would prefer Chandler, he fits the fits the expectations of shotblocker, excellent defender, someone who couldn't be sagged off to double Duncan perfectly, plus he is younger than Sheed and athletic. His one weakness would be his inability to do anything off O farther than 3 ft, but playing next to Tim you don't need an arsenal of posty moves, you'd just get in his way.

I would still jizz in my pants if the Spurs got Wallace, but I don't like his age/the fact he could end up a rental. He'd be the next best thing to Chandler, imo. At least he could space the floor a la Bonner, just not as well. Another + for Sheed is Bonner would go nuts, considering his reaction when AT and that white guy were here, he stepped it up a bit with competition around. Too bad the Spurs can't trick him into thinking Fab is comp.:lol

[ss1986v2]

Finley has been hobbled with a bad back lately.



And if you add a trade of Horry (full Bird rights) to the mix you have enough expiring contracts.
Plus I think we have to make up only the amount of Sheeds' pro-rated amount for this year rather than the whole years' worth of contract amount.

first off, no, we have to match his yearly salary, not some prorated portion.

and again, we cant simple sign horry to whatever we want. anything above 4.25 mil or so makes him BYC. and then matching salaries gets even harder.

[Duncan2177]

Agree. Wallace does not automatically put the spurs over the top but he will add much needed frontline help and the lakers series will be closer to a toss up then it is now. So getting Wallace is a move in the positive direction to beating the Lakers.

So if we just stick to having Bonner and Thomas the spurs would really get there asses kicked by the lakers right? Wallace would put the spurs over the top no question about it.

[K-State Spur]

One needs to ask why?

I'd bet this is due to lack of interest more than an erosion of skills. Coming to a championship contender is exactly what he needs to be his old productive self again. I'd have to say that Sheed would definitely put the Spurs ahead of everyone, considering that they are virtually even already (after the 2-5 start).

He's no spring chicken anymore. It's more than plausible that his skills are in decline. But even if that's the case, he would still be the best big man that the Spurs could pair with Duncan since David circa 2001.

[byrdman31]

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[SpursDynasty]

"People Don't Realize That It's Never Going To Happen 31 Pages Into the Thread" Thread.

[Spursfan092120]

"People Don't Realize That It's Never Going To Happen 31 Pages Into the Thread" Thread.
"People that just can't allow fans of a team to enjoy good conversation about a situation that has been rumored that would help that team" Thread.

[ss1986v2]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-pistons-clipperstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

The Detroit Pistons will trade seldom-used guard Alex Acker to the Los Angeles Clippers for an exchange of future draft picks, a person familiar with the deal told The Associated Press on Sunday.


looks like the pistons just made their play to get below the tax line. now where have i seen this before...


so all they would have to do is find a team willing to take some fodder off their books for nothing and they get below the tax line (choose whoever of acker, bynum, and herrmann it would take).

no need to trade sheed to get below the tax line.

[rascal]

So if we just stick to having Bonner and Thomas the spurs would really get there asses kicked by the lakers right? Wallace would put the spurs over the top no question about it.

Yes to the question above. No, Wallace doesn't automatically put the spurs over the top but it is closer to a toss up against the lakers.

[JP le Requin]

roger mason said this morning to george eddy (french tv reporter on canal plus)
spurs are badly looking for a bug man and are able to call back robert horry, pj brown....a veteran...but it sure they will do a deal before deadline...


lets keep in touch

[Ice009]

roger mason said this morning to george eddy (french tv reporter on canal plus)
spurs are badly looking for a bug man and are able to call back robert horry, pj brown....a veteran...but it sure they will do a deal before deadline...


lets keep in touch

Spurs are after Pj Brown?

[EricB]

"People Don't Realize That It's Never Going To Happen 31 Pages Into the Thread" Thread.

Get a life already.

[JP le Requin]

Spurs are after Pj Brown?

yes it was said this morning by roger money mason to french journalist...spurs really want a big...and are ok to call pj brown, horry, mourning??? (i propose myself the last one)

[Ice009]

Well I did say that I would take Horry back weeks ago. A lot of people said things along the line of no way the Spurs bring Horry back.

[Duncan2177]

Well I did say that I would take Horry back weeks ago. A lot of people said things along the line of no way the Spurs bring Horry back.

Isn't Horry washed up? And Pj Brown? lol He's done

[DPG21920]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-pistons-clipperstrade&prov=ap&type=lgns

The Detroit Pistons will trade seldom-used guard Alex Acker to the Los Angeles Clippers for an exchange of future draft picks, a person familiar with the deal told The Associated Press on Sunday.


looks like the pistons just made their play to get below the tax line. now where have i seen this before...

So now they make a trade and only have 13 players on their roster out of 15 :stirpot:

Making room perhaps?

[coyotes_geek]

Isn't Horry washed up? And Pj Brown? lol He's done

If the Spurs aren't able to swing a trade it's either someone like that or go fishing in the D-league.

[EricB]

I'd take Horry or PJ.

PJ might have just enough left in the tank to go against Bynum and the Lakers.

[tp2021]

So now they make a trade and only have 13 players on their roster out of 15 :stirpot:

Making room perhaps?

Your optimism makes me happy in this thread.

[EricB]

Eh, I don't see them trading a stiff or two as reading into anything honestly.

[coyotes_geek]

So now they make a trade and only have 13 players on their roster out of 15 :stirpot:

Making room perhaps?

They're making room, only it's room under the luxury tax threshold.

[xtremesteven33]

The rumor of Sheed coming to SA is not mainstream.

its this little forum on the internet where its popular.

Its till a possibility but a very improbable one. If Detroit were to trade Sheed to the Spurs it would be due to a huge favor for Wallace and nothing else.

Lets hope Wallace is asking to be traded here....

[Spur-Addict]

The rumor of Sheed coming to SA is not mainstream.

its this little forum on the internet where its popular.

Its till a possibility but a very improbable one. If Detroit were to trade Sheed to the Spurs it would be due to a huge favor for Wallace and nothing else.

Lets hope Wallace is asking to be traded here....

Alright.

I hope Rasheed Wallace of the Detroit Pistons is asking to be traded to the San Antonio Spurs before the 2009 NBA Trade Deadline.

Additionally, I hope this trade actually occurs.

:toast

[Jayem2]

The rumor of Sheed coming to SA is not mainstream.

its this little forum on the internet where its popular.it was discussed on TNT's post show after the allstar game. David Aldridge didn't have any news on it but Kenny, Webber and GP all agreed it would guarantee a championship for the spurs.

[ManuTP9]

it was discussed on TNT's post show after the allstar game. David Aldridge didn't have any news on it but Kenny, Webber and GP all agreed it would guarantee a championship for the spurs.

yup i just seen that too

[xtremesteven33]

it was discussed on TNT's post show after the allstar game. David Aldridge didn't have any news on it but Kenny, Webber and GP all agreed it would guarantee a championship for the spurs.



Yea but its not a HOT topic.

Its a SMALL rumor in the mainstream media.

Here on Spurstalk....our season depends on it...haha

[MrChug]

Too good to be true

I must concur...

[Ice009]

I'd love it if Rasheed asks to Pistons to trade him to the Spurs. Don't they want the rights to a young talented big like Splitter?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yea but its not a HOT topic.

Its a SMALL rumor in the mainstream media.

Here on Spurstalk....our season depends on it...haha

Who the fuck are you to tell us whats a hot national topic or not? YOu have no clue where the rumor came from and who buys into it.

YOu were wrong. Its on national television. Now do us a favor and quit trying to tell us what is worth talking about.

[Rogue]

Who the fuck are you to tell us whats a hot national topic or not? YOu have no clue where the rumor came from and who buys into it.

YOu were wrong. Its on national television. Now do us a favor and quit trying to tell us what is worth talking about.
absolutely true.

[tp2021]

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[Shastafarian]

The guys at RealGM must read this forum.

The Spurs contacted the Nets about the availability of Vince Carter, but there have been rumors that they like Detroit's Rasheed Wallace as well.

The rumors have not been confirmed.

WOW!!! BREAKING NEWS!!!!

[xellos88330]

Hmm... still nothing. Oh well, 3 more days.

[hater]

AP source: Detroit Pistons trade Alex Acker to L.A. Clippers
16 hours ago

The Detroit Pistons will trade seldom-used guard Alex Acker to the Los Angeles Clippers for an exchange of future draft picks, a person familiar with the deal told The Associated Press on Sunday.

The person spoke on the condition of anonymity because the trade hasn't been announced.

The Pistons might stand pat before Thursday's trading deadline, instead of trading Allen Iverson and Rasheed Wallace, despite its struggles this season.

If Detroit doesn't make another trade, it will clear about US$23 million in salary-cap space to make major moves this summer and in 2010 when a slew of marquee free agents will be available.

The six-foot-five Acker played in just seven games for the Pistons this season, averaging 1.3 points.

[xtremesteven33]

Who the fuck are you to tell us whats a hot national topic or not? YOu have no clue where the rumor came from and who buys into it.

YOu were wrong. Its on national television. Now do us a favor and quit trying to tell us what is worth talking about.


-Its not a hot topic on ESPN.
-It is a small rumor based on local sports radio
-It was on national television only cause Rasheed said he wants to play for SA, not cause theres any signs of a serious trade.



:hat

[Spursfan092120]

-Its not a hot topic on ESPN.
-It is a small rumor based on local sports radio
-It was on national television only cause Rasheed said he wants to play for SA, not cause theres any signs of a serious trade.



:hat

True..but who said a trade talk had to be hot nationwide before it happened. A lot of big trades happen out of nowhere without it being hot.

[xtremesteven33]

True..but who said a trade talk had to be hot nationwide before it happened. A lot of big trades happen out of nowhere without it being hot.


I never said it wouldnt happen cause it wasnt mainstream.

I think it has better chances of happening since its not.

Still a very small chance though. We here on Spurstalk are going by peoples "Sources" rather than credible evidence.

[Spursfan092120]

I never said it wouldnt happen cause it wasnt mainstream.

I think it has better chances of happening since its not.

Still a very small chance though. We here on Spurstalk are going by peoples "Sources" rather than credible evidence.

True true..it was on ESPN radio though, wasn't it? In Detroit?

[xtremesteven33]

True true..it was on ESPN radio though, wasn't it? In Detroit?



Chris Duels radio show here in SA

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

I'm starting to think that the Spurs are just going to stand Pat and go with what they have.... :(

[xtremesteven33]

Rumor is going around Detroit that they may be getting ready to make another move. Having 2 more spots open indicate that they just may do that.

Rasheed Wallace would be the obvious candidate to be moved. Whether to San Antonio or not well have to wait and see....

[Thomas82]

I'm starting to think that the Spurs are just going to stand Pat and go with what they have.... :(

Part of me believes that as well.

[Duncan2177]

I'm starting to think that the Spurs are just going to stand Pat and go with what they have.... :(

If they do and i hate to say this the spurs are not going to win a championship plain and simple theres no way they can beat the lakers and celtics in a seven game series with Bonner playing next to Duncan. I hope im wrong

[EricB]

It might be to SA, cause word in Phoenix now is that they are keeping Stoudamire.....

[coyotes_geek]

I'm starting to think that the Spurs are just going to stand Pat and go with what they have.... :(

It won't be because they didn't try to do something, but ultimately I think this is exactly what's going to happen. They'll add Horry or a D-leaguer, but the odds of that being a saving grace are pretty slim.

[NicolasBatum]

Mason jr on French TV for the all star game : if we make a trade it's for a big man, if we can't trade : Horry or P.J. Brown

[EricB]

I'd like to know what everyone wants them to do if they can't make a move.

Produce a bigman out of thin air?!?!?

[xtremesteven33]

Its funny how we play Detroit on the trade deadline....haha

[FromWayDowntown]

The fact that a trade for Wallace or a trade for Carter is getting any mention in national media is enough to suggest to me that there's about zero chance that either will happen.

I do think this team probably needs to add some talent to feel as though its anything other than a darkhorse to win the West, much less a title.

[urunobili]

I'd like to know what everyone wants them to do if they can't make a move.

Produce a bigman out of thin air?!?!?

dude... there is a reason why Pops is in the Toros nowadays... chill

[FromWayDowntown]

I'd like to know what everyone wants them to do if they can't make a move.

Produce a bigman out of thin air?!?!?

I'm not sure that there would be anything to be done there. But, like I say, the point is that getting another big man -- particularly a guy of Rasheed's quality -- would change the likelihood of winning another title.

No matter who plays here, I'll root for the Spurs to win a title; but without adding a fairly significant piece, I think the objective view would have to be that the Spurs will need some good fortune to get out of the West in 2009. And I think that's true for the specific reason that your question suggests -- they need a big and if they can't get such a guy in a trade, they probably aren't going to get such a guy.

[Duncan2177]

I'm not sure that there would be anything to be done there. But, like I say, the point is that getting another big man -- particularly a guy of Rasheed's quality -- would change the likelihood of winning another title.

No matter who plays here, I'll root for the Spurs to win a title; but without adding a fairly significant piece, I think the objective view would have to be that the Spurs will need some good fortune to get out of the West in 2009. And I think that's true for the specific reason that your question suggests -- they need a big and if they can't get such a guy in a trade, they probably aren't going to get such a guy.

Well then were fucked.

[crc21209]

Any updates from "SPURSOWNTEXAS" and his "source?"

[FromWayDowntown]

Well then were fucked.

If by "fucked" you mean being one of the few teams (maybe 5 or 6) in the league that can realistically think about a title -- albeit while recognizing that it will need a little bit of help to get there -- then yes.

Your statement, however, proves pretty clearly that Spurs fans are ridiculously spoiled.

[Ditty]

Any updates from "SPURSOWNTEXAS" and his "source?"

nope but should have one by the end of the day but assuming that talks will start again by tommorow by something needs to happen on yahoo or espn for this to be a deal but remeber last year with the whole paul gasol trade no one knew of that one so it should be intersting but i probably will call me friend to see if anything has happen i haven't heard anything since that night

[Spursfan092120]

If by "fucked" you mean being one of the few teams (maybe 5 or 6) in the league that can realistically think about a title -- albeit while recognizing that it will need a little bit of help to get there -- then yes.

Your statement, however, proves pretty clearly that Spurs fans are ridiculously spoiled.

Not all Spurs fans are spoiled. I've been there through the 20-62 days, and the rough times. Bottom line is this. We are a proud team. We have won 4 titles in the last 10 years. We want to win another one. We are not the Atlanta Hawks. We are not the LA Clippers. We go into every year competing for a championship, and damnit, we want it every year. So call it spoiled if you want...that's fine. But that's not going to change the fact that year in year out we believe we want a team that can win it all, and Rasheed would be a step up and in the right direction.

[FromWayDowntown]

We go into every year competing for a championship, and damnit, we want it every year. So call it spoiled if you want...that's fine. But that's not going to change the fact that year in year out we believe we want a team that can win it all, and Rasheed would be a step up and in the right direction.

Yeah, my point is that the Spurs are competing for a title. If being in position to compete for a title isn't enough -- and concluding that the Spurs are "fucked" without a deal, strikes me as falling in that category -- then, yeah, I think spoiled is the right word.

Should have used something like "some," "many," "a lot," or somesuch, but the point holds.

We have a team that can win it all; like I say, it might need some help, but it's much less in need of that help than more than 80% of the league.

[Duncan2177]

If by "fucked" you mean being one of the few teams (maybe 5 or 6) in the league that can realistically think about a title -- albeit while recognizing that it will need a little bit of help to get there -- then yes.

Your statement, however, proves pretty clearly that Spurs fans are ridiculously spoiled.

Ridiculously spoiled huh? No maybe i want see my team improve and get better its not a bad thing it comes with the territory of being a fan and who the hell are you to judge anyone? I can have a opinion.

[EricB]

dude... there is a reason why Pops is in the Toros nowadays... chill

I have some ocean front property in Arizona I wanna sell to you.

CHEAP.

PM me.

[EricB]

Ridiculously spoiled huh? No maybe i want see my team improve and get better its not a bad thing it comes with the territory of being a fan and who the hell are you to judge anyone? I can have a opinion.

Yeah, typically spoiled, myopic Spurs fan now.


The trevails of winning 4 times in 9 years is getting ridiculously retarded fans such as this apparently.

[Spursfan092120]

Yeah, my point is that the Spurs are competing for a title. If being in position to compete for a title isn't enough -- and concluding that the Spurs are "fucked" without a deal, strikes me as falling in that category -- then, yeah, I think spoiled is the right word.

Should have used something like "some," "many," "a lot," or somesuch, but the point holds.

We have a team that can win it all; like I say, it might need some help, but it's much less in need of that help than more than 80% of the league.

I'm just as big of a Spurs fan as anyone in here, trust me. Let me tell you something honest. Yes..we have a great team..no question. And I have faith that we can win it all. But if we sign Sheed, it will put us in POSITION to do it. Right now, it will be VERY tough to beat the Lakers in a 7 game series with the team we have. With Sheed, it makes it a situation where we might even be favorites.

[manufor3]

i hope this goes down. PLEASE

[crc21209]

nope but should have one by the end of the day but assuming that talks will start again by tommorow by something needs to happen on yahoo or espn for this to be a deal but remeber last year with the whole paul gasol trade no one knew of that one so it should be intersting but i probably will call me friend to see if anything has happen i haven't heard anything since that night

Well come on bro ask your friend! haha. But be sure to come back and give us any updates today or tomorrow, dont leave us hanging. WE NEED SHEED! lol.

[Mr Bones]

It's looking more and more like plan A is making a trade for a serviceable big, and plan B is seeing who looks better in 12 weeks, Mahinmi or Mensah-Bonsu. Something as little as an enthusiastic, high energy 8 minutes a game from either one of them would even be helpful.

[Duncan2177]

Yeah, typically spoiled, myopic Spurs fan now.


The trevails of winning 4 times in 9 years is getting ridiculously retarded fans such as this apparently.

Whats up your ass dude? I wasn't even talking to you dickhead.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm just as big of a Spurs fan as anyone in here, trust me. Let me tell you something honest. Yes..we have a great team..no question. And I have faith that we can win it all. But if we sign Sheed, it will put us in POSITION to do it. Right now, it will be VERY tough to beat the Lakers in a 7 game series with the team we have. With Sheed, it makes it a situation where we might even be favorites.

Right. But frankly, Rasheed Wallace ISN'T a reasonable hope. I'll be absolutely shocked if any sort of deal to bring him to the Spurs gets done; the Spurs don't have the assets to make it worthwhile for the Pistons and the Pistons have a far better chance to be economically successful with Sheed than they do with the spare parts the Spurs would be willing to throw in. The sole logical reason that such a deal could even conceivably make sense for the Pistons is the hope that they can get something -- something miniscule -- for Rasheed rather than losing him outright; but for a team that is creating capspace, taking on even minor contracts (George Hill, Roger Mason) is more of a harm than a help. If you stop to think about it, there's virtually nothing about a Sheed-to-SA deal that makes any sense for the Pistons other than offering Rasheed a token of good will for some years of good soldiering.

And look, anyone can think anything they want to. Just like anyone else, I'm entitled to my opinion. And my opinion, on this subject at least, is that thinking the Spurs are "fucked" because they aren't the absolute favorites to win the title is ridiculous. Patently ridiculous.

[Spursfan092120]

Right. But frankly, Rasheed Wallace ISN'T a reasonable hope. I'll be absolutely shocked if any sort of deal to bring him to the Spurs gets done; the Spurs don't have the assets to make it worthwhile for the Pistons and the Pistons have a far better chance to be economically successful with Sheed than they do with the spare parts the Spurs would be willing to throw in. The sole logical reason that such a deal could even conceivably make sense for the Pistons is the hope that they can get something -- something miniscule -- for Rasheed rather than losing him outright; but for a team that is creating capspace, taking on even minor contracts (George Hill, Roger Mason) is more of a harm than a help. If you stop to think about it, there's virtually nothing about a Sheed-to-SA deal that makes any sense for the Pistons other than offering Rasheed a token of good will for some years of good soldiering.

And look, anyone can think anything they want to. Just like anyone else, I'm entitled to my opinion. And my opinion, on this subject at least, is that thinking the Spurs are "fucked" because they aren't the absolute favorites to win the title is ridiculous. Patently ridiculous.

I understand where you're coming from. But at the same time, we know our team is right there...and with Sheed, it makes us favorites. And the truth is, if Detroit is trying to make some more cap room for 2010, they might drop Sheed to us for what we have, knowing he doesn't fit into their future. If it happened with Pao Gasol, it could just as easily happen with Sheed.

[Bartleby]

I understand where you're coming from. But at the same time, we know our team is right there...and with Sheed, it makes us favorites. And the truth is, if Detroit is trying to make some more cap room for 2010, they might drop Sheed to us for what we have, knowing he doesn't fit into their future. If it happened with Pao Gasol, it could just as easily happen with Sheed.

Sheed's contract will come off the books for Detroit after this season regardless of whether they trade him or not.

[tp2021]

Don't argue with FWD. he will win.

[FromWayDowntown]

Sheed's contract will come off the books for Detroit after this season regardless of whether they trade him or not.

Exactly. And if they trade him to try to get back a real player -- say George Hill or Roger Mason -- they'll actually lose cap space instead of gaining it. It might not be much of a difference, but Spurs fans who watched the Summer of 2003 can recount the efforts of the Spurs FO to save every penny of capspace that they could.

Of course Rasheed Wallace is a great player to hope for; but I don't see the point in getting upset if the Spurs can't convince the Pistons that an apparently-unreasonable trade should somehow be seen as a reasonable choice.

[Spursfan092120]

Don't argue with FWD. he will win.

lol...is that because he doesn't give up no matter what, or because he's more knowledgeable? Cuz I tell ya..I can hang..lol

[Bartleby]

lol...is that because he doesn't give up no matter what, or because he's more knowledgeable? Cuz I tell ya..I can hang..lol

B/c he knows how to argue. It's what he does for a living.

[Duncan2177]

lol...is that because he doesn't give up no matter what, or because he's more knowledgeable? Cuz I tell ya..I can hang..lol

Who cares

[EricB]

lol...is that because he doesn't give up no matter what, or because he's more knowledgeable? Cuz I tell ya..I can hang..lol

Because hes one of the top 5 smartest basketball people on this board.

He has more basketball knowledge in his pinky finger than most posters have in their entire bodies.

[Duncan2177]

Because hes one of the top 5 smartest basketball people on this board.

He has more basketball knowledge in his pinky finger than most posters have in their entire bodies.

Suckass

[hater]

FWD is a lawyer???

that's good to know...

[hater]

He has more basketball knowledge in his pinky finger than most posters have in their entire bodies.

that's not saying much

[Spursfan092120]

Because hes one of the top 5 smartest basketball people on this board.

He has more basketball knowledge in his pinky finger than most posters have in their entire bodies.

That's good. I've got a little knowledge myself.

[Spursfan092120]

Who cares

ooh..wake up on the wrong side of the bed? lol

[exstatic]

ooh..wake up on the wrong side of the bed? lol

Leave him alone. He's dreaming of a big blockbuster trade, having apparently not followed the Spurs long enough to realize that doesn't happen. He'll wake up with trade envy hangover on Friday.

[Spursfan092120]

Leave him alone. He's dreaming of a big blockbuster trade, having apparently not followed the Spurs long enough to realize that doesn't happen. He'll wake up with trade envy hangover on Friday.

hey..I'm hopin for it too. Anything's possible.

[exstatic]

hey..I'm hopin for it too. Anything's possible.

Actually, it isn't, but keep on dreamin'.

[Spursfan092120]

Actually, it isn't, but keep on dreamin'.

Explain to me how it's not possible. (I'd love to hear this)

:hat

[bigfan]

This works I think: Bargnani and Kapono for Bowen, Udoka, Vaughn and Oberto?

[HarlemHeat37]

Raptors wouldn't even think about that..

[EricB]

Explain to me how it's not possible. (I'd love to hear this)

:hat

Its not possible because the Spurs have nothing anyone else wants, and the other teams are seemingly hoarding players.

[Duncan2177]

Leave him alone. He's dreaming of a big blockbuster trade, having apparently not followed the Spurs long enough to realize that doesn't happen. He'll wake up with trade envy hangover on Friday.

Ive been a spurs fan since 1991 does David Wood and Lloyd Daniels,Vinnie the microwave Johnson and Jr Reid ring a bell? All im saying if we stand pat i don't think we can beat the lakers and celtics in a seven game series and i feel if a star player like Carter and Wallace are available for Mason and Hill im for the trade but thats just my opinion plus if Bowen and Oberto were involved they would release both Oberto and Bowen and they would go back to the spurs in 30 days, And its not like were trading Manu or Parker were trading someone whos just a role player and not a all around player like Carter and Wallace and you put that with the big 3 look out lakers and celtics, I would hate to see Mason and Hill go but were talking about Carter and Wallace.

[EricB]

Ive been a spurs fan since 1991 does David Wood and Lloyd Daniels,Vinnie the microwave Johnson and Jr Reid ring a bell? All im saying if we stand pat i don't think we can beat the lakers and celtics in a seven game series and i feel if a star player like Carter and Wallace are available for Mason and Hill im for the trade but thats just my opinion plus if Bowen and Oberto were involved they would release both Oberto and Bowen and they would go back to the spurs in 30 days, And its not like were trading Manu or Parker were trading someone whos just a role player and not a all around player like Carter and Wallace and you put that with the big 3 look out lakers and celtics, I would hate to see Mason and Hill go but were talking about Carter and Wallace.


Yeah were talking about a player that quit on his team in Carter.

Wallace is going NOWHERE unless one of the big three is involved.

Reread the thread and understand that please.

[clubalien]

I have been busy with my new job so haven't been reading this site everyday.
Decide to check the site after KSAT was taking about the Rwallace trade. I ave to read this thread but i wanted to go ahead and say i am in favor of fab plus finely for r wallace

he plays hard!!!:p:

[crc21209]

Soooooooooo any new rumblings on Sheed? Wheres SPURSOWNTEXAS? lol.

[xmas1997]

Apparently Timmy would hate to see a bunch of our guys going as well so his vote is "No" on the Carter deal even though he said that it was a FO decision.
My best guess is his vote carries a lot of clout so that would mean trade for Carter is out of the question.
Sheed, however looks more promising.

[Duncan2177]

Yeah were talking about a player that quit on his team in Carter.

Wallace is going NOWHERE unless one of the big three is involved.

Reread the thread and understand that please.

I know what the thread reads and im putting my 5 cents in is that okay with you?

[xtremesteven33]

Yeah were talking about a player that quit on his team in Carter.

Wallace is going NOWHERE unless one of the big three is involved.

Reread the thread and understand that please.



Whats Chris Duel saying on his show today about the trade rumors??

[Ice009]

nope but should have one by the end of the day but assuming that talks will start again by tommorow by something needs to happen on yahoo or espn for this to be a deal but remeber last year with the whole paul gasol trade no one knew of that one so it should be intersting but i probably will call me friend to see if anything has happen i haven't heard anything since that night

I thought you said your source said talks will resume Monday. Now you're saying Tuesday. I really don't know about that 'source' of yours.

[EricB]

Nothing so far.

He had Don Harris on and he pretty much said the same thing alot of us had, Wallace Carter are long shots to come. He thinks itll be a small deal RIGHT AT the deadline.

[EricB]

I thought you said your source said talks will resume Monday. Now you're saying Tuesday. I really don't know about that 'source' of yours.

:lol

God you need valium.

[Agloco]

I can't for the life of me figure out why everyone keeps on mentioning Finley in trade rumors......

He's not going anywhere without his explicit approval. I don't see Detroit as being high on his destination wish list.

[ginomvp]

I can't for the life of me figure out why everyone keeps on mentioning Finley in trade rumors......

He's not going anywhere without his explicit approval. I don't see Detroit as being high on his destination wish list.
r u saying that u dont think finley would approve the trade? damn that could be a real problem for the spurs then. but who could blame finley for not wanting to go to detroit things are falling apart there

[xmas1997]

I doubt he would give his consent unless he knew in advance that he would be waived and be able to resign with S.A. in 30 days.
For one thing it would give him time to rehab his sore back.

[Ice009]

:lol

God you need valium.

And you need to change your name back to TPark.

[Ice009]

I doubt he would give his consent unless he knew in advance that he would be waived and be able to resign with S.A. in 30 days.
For one thing it would give him time to rehab his sore back.

Exactly and that is what would happen in any Finley trade.

[EricB]

And you need to change your name back to TPark.

:lol

Why.

God you guys are stuck on goofy things.

[Walton Buys Off Me]

I can't believe there is a 35 page thread about Rasheed Wallace coming to the Spurs.

And a 44 page thread about Vince Carter....

Kori, LJ, where did all these morons come from?

[Ice009]

Kori, LJ, where did all these morons come from?

Canada? ;).

[Manufan909]

I can't believe you actually clicked on this thread, since it's sooo moronic.

[FromWayDowntown]

On the notion of a small trade being a possibility -- and speaking in a roundabout way of the Pistons -- there are some reasonable scenarios by which the Spurs could make a deal with the Grizzlies for a player like Darko Milicic.

Darko's got 2 years left on his deal, which means that acquiring him would still fit the Spurs 2010 plan. The Grizzlies are well under the cap, but are presumably still looking for whatever relief they can get on the cashflow side of things and Darko is their biggest contract. Darko is a defensive-minded big who can block shots and play some rugged, if foul-prone defense. And the Spurs could package a couple of readily-disposable contracts on the Grizz (Bowen and Oberto?). That deal would get the Spurs something that they want and it would give the Grizz still less in the way of salary obligations.

Not likely. Just a thought.

edit: and one that I see has been mentioned before. . . .

[HarlemHeat37]

I wouldn't mind a deal for Darko at all, actually..

[xmas1997]

On the notion of a small trade being a possibility -- and speaking in a roundabout way of the Pistons -- there are some reasonable scenarios by which the Spurs could make a deal with the Grizzlies for a player like Darko Milicic.

Darko's got 2 years left on his deal, which means that acquiring him would still fit the Spurs 2010 plan. The Grizzlies are well under the cap, but are presumably still looking for whatever relief they can get on the cashflow side of things and Darko is their biggest contract. Darko is a defensive-minded big who can block shots and play some rugged, if foul-prone defense. And the Spurs could package a couple of readily-disposable contracts on the Grizz (Bowen and Oberto?). That deal would get the Spurs something that they want and it would give the Grizz still less in the way of salary obligations.

Not likely. Just a thought.

Even though I would go crazy with expectaions if the Sheed trade happened, especially since Sheed said he wanted to come here, I think something like your proposal is more likely, or something even smaller than that will most likely happen to address the Center needs.
It may not take more than that to move them past L.A., but the FO needs to do something because no one realistically thinks S.A. can take L.A. in a 7 game playoff series as they stand now.
TD might think they have a chance, but I'm pretty sure Pop doesn't, so a move has to happen, big or small, and NOT a panic move either.

[G-Nob]

It doesn't matter if it happens or not. People close to the trade talks are talking and it means the spurs are at least doing the best they can to make a deal that makes sense.

[HarlemHeat37]

it also depends on the Bynum injury, though..if Bynum isn't back to near-form, we can definitely beat them with how we are right now..if Bynum doesn't come back at all, we WILL beat them IMO..

[xmas1997]

it also depends on the Bynum injury, though..if Bynum isn't back to near-form, we can definitely beat them with how we are right now..if Bynum doesn't come back at all, we WILL beat them IMO..

You may be more knowledgeable than me about basketball, or you may be more optimistic than me,
regardless I think,
and I think most people who follow the Spurs and the NBA think,
that is not realistic expectation of this Spurs team this year.
Timmy needs some decent Center help to get the Spurs past the Lakers, and maybe past Boston too,
in a 7 game playoff series.
It doesn't take a basketball guru to be able to see this.

[Duncan2177]

You may be more knowledgeable than me about basketball, or you may be more optimistic than me,
regardless I think,
and I think most people who follow the Spurs and the NBA think,
that is not realistic expectation of this Spurs team this year.
Timmy needs some decent Center help to get the Spurs past the Lakers, and maybe past Boston too,
in a 7 game playoff series.
It doesn't take a basketball guru to be able to see this.

Exactly

[Rip-Hamilton32]

Canada? ;).

maybe if this was a hockey forum lol

[ploto]

Apparently Timmy would hate to see a bunch of our guys going as well so his vote is "No" on the Carter deal even though he said that it was a FO decision.

My best guess is his vote carries a lot of clout so that would mean trade for Carter is out of the question.

CIA Duncan

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Timmy needs some decent Center help to get the Spurs past the Lakers, and maybe past Boston too,
in a 7 game playoff series.
It doesn't take a basketball guru to be able to see this.

He also needs some perimeter defense help. Bowen is still a good defender but he's not Bowen anymore.

[HarlemHeat37]

You may be more knowledgeable than me about basketball, or you may be more optimistic than me,
regardless I think,
and I think most people who follow the Spurs and the NBA think,
that is not realistic expectation of this Spurs team this year.
Timmy needs some decent Center help to get the Spurs past the Lakers, and maybe past Boston too,
in a 7 game playoff series.
It doesn't take a basketball guru to be able to see this.

that's only if Bynum is playing though..

I completely disagree if Bynum isn't playing..Lamar Odom didn't do anything significant against us last year, and we had the same big men playing, and that's who their PF would be..

we match up pretty well with Boston..so I don't think that will be a big problem..Kendrick Perkins is good, but he's not good enough to exploit the mismatch heavily, like Bynum would be..

[BlackSwordsMan]

timmy needs to feed the sheed!!!

[ploto]

Darko's got 2 years left on his deal, which means that acquiring him would still fit the Spurs 2010 plan. The Grizzlies are well under the cap, but are presumably still looking for whatever relief they can get on the cashflow side of things and Darko is their biggest contract. Darko is a defensive-minded big who can block shots and play some rugged, if foul-prone defense. And the Spurs could package a couple of readily-disposable contracts on the Grizz (Bowen and Oberto?). That deal would get the Spurs something that they want and it would give the Grizz still less in the way of salary obligations.

Oberto and Bowen for Rasho with Bowen coming back in 30 days.

[Spursfan092120]

You may be more knowledgeable than me about basketball, or you may be more optimistic than me,
regardless I think,
and I think most people who follow the Spurs and the NBA think,
that is not realistic expectation of this Spurs team this year.
Timmy needs some decent Center help to get the Spurs past the Lakers, and maybe past Boston too,
in a 7 game playoff series.
It doesn't take a basketball guru to be able to see this.

::sniff sniff:: wow..the negativity reeks in here.

[xmas1997]

::sniff sniff:: wow..the negativity reeks in here.


I hope I'm wrong, but I've followed the Spurs ever since they first became the Spurs and IMHO they are one piece away from taking it all this year.

[manufor3]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=dgjjbu

[Spursfan092120]

I hope I'm wrong, but I've followed the Spurs ever since they first became the Spurs and IMHO they are one piece away from taking it all this year.

So let me get this straight. You know the Spurs are one piece away from taking it all this year, and you don't think Pop knows that? Seriously...they're going to do whatever they think they need to do to win a ring, and that includes making a big trade...if they have to.

[EricB]

Oberto and Bowen for Rasho with Bowen coming back in 30 days.


I would do that trade.

[xmas1997]

So let me get this straight. You know the Spurs are one piece away from taking it all this year, and you don't think Pop knows that? Seriously...they're going to do whatever they think they need to do to win a ring, and that includes making a big trade...if they have to.

Yes, IMHO they are one piece away, and
I'm pretty sure Pop knows that,
and that they are doing everything they think can to change this.

[Spursfan092120]

Yes, IMHO they are one piece away, and
I'm pretty sure Pop knows that,
and that they are doing everything they think can to change this.
ok...I can appreciate that.

[phxspurfan]

These two pipe dream threads really need to die already...

[tp2021]

Why? If you say so...I just thought this was a forum for fans...

[EricB]

Is it really hurting you that much?

[Ice009]

Like a lot of people have already mentioned they are pipe dreams, but I still keep coming in here and posting ;).

I guess it's the Gasol trade that has me not dismissing it totally.

[texbound]

Like a lot of people have already mentioned they are pipe dreams, but I still keep coming in here and posting ;).

I guess it's the Gasol trade that has me not dismissing it totally.

That and the fact that deep down we want to see how far this thread can actually go until the trade dealine or until one or both are traded.

[Spur-Addict]

61 hours.

[xellos88330]

61 hours.

not coming fast enough :bang

[tp2021]

not coming fast enough :bang

That's how HE feels! http://i.pbase.com/o4/98/583898/1/63713939.VPwOC7GO.rimshot.gif

[crc21209]

Interesting Interview from Joe Dumars:

February 16, Pistons.com: KL: You've made one significant trade this year, which is one more than most teams make during the season. Are you any more or less inclined to make another one because you're already instituted a significant change with your roster this season?

JD: No, because there's no quota on making significant deals. I would say that what's not lost on me is feeling like what we've done in previous years - how we did it, the personnel we did it with - had run its course. We could squeeze out 50 wins and try to get back deep in the playoffs - or you could start the transition process now. And that's what we've chosen to do, start the transition process now. And that transition process is, one, putting the ball in the hands of a young Rodney Stuckey and letting that development take place now and not prolonging it or delaying it. And the second thing is create a tremendous amount of flexibility with your cap that you can add significant pieces to your team to change your team as part of that transition. So, two things: one, start the process now with Stuckey; two, start the process now of being in the position to add a couple of really big-time players to your team. Start the process now as opposed to prolong it, putting it off, and saying, well, we'll get to it a year or two down the road, and you don't know how things will turn out then.
So that's what's not lost on me. If that means we have to go through some struggles this year, as we have, then, OK, I'm willing to do that. I'm willing to go through these struggles to get to where we need to get. I don't like it. It's gut-wrenching. We haven't lost here. The first time in eight or nine years we're losing games that we ordinarily have not lost. That's tough for all of us to swallow. It's especially hard for me to swallow. It's hard to wake up and face losing to teams that you just haven't lost to and all of a sudden you wake up and it's another L.

I don't want anybody to get it wrong, that we're OK with losing, because we're not. It's harder than hell to sit here and lose. But it would be even harder to lose if we waited and waited and waited and there was no prospect to get better. There was no young guy like Stuckey that you're handing the ball to. There was no flexibility with cap space to go out and add players. It would be even harder if we waited longer and found ourselves in this position.

http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2009/02/joe_dumars_interviewed_about_c.html

[crc21209]

So if he's talking about starting the transition process NOW, anyone think he really may be shopping Sheed, I dunno just looking for something, anything, that can help us believe we may get Sheed.

[benefactor]

I can't wait until the deadline passes. I am really getting tired of looking at this thread and the VC thread every time I log on.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I can't wait until the deadline passes. I am really getting tired of looking at this thread and the VC thread every time I log on.

I am sick of people coming to these threads just to whine about the topic everytime I click on them to see if there is any update whatsoever.

[benefactor]

I am sick of people coming to these threads just to whine about the topic everytime I click on them to see if there is any update whatsoever.
Stop wasting your time.

[mudyez]

i am sick of people coming to these threads just to whine about the topic everytime i click on them to see if there is any update whatsoever.

+1

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Stop wasting your time.

Hey dude I will decide what interests me and what does not. I do not get emotionally involved so if it doesn't go down I don't get all butt hurt. If you need to play this act to protect your fragile self then go right ahead.

Fact is that there are legs to this rumor and those legs come from multiple sources and I like to see what happens. The only person wasting my time here is you with your inane attempts to play thought police.

[benefactor]

Hey dude I will decide what interests me and what does not. I do not get emotionally involved so if it doesn't go down I don't get all butt hurt. If you need to play this act to protect your fragile self then go right ahead.

Fact is that there are legs to this rumor and those legs come from multiple sources and I like to see what happens. The only person wasting my time here is you with your inane attempts to play thought police.

Stop wasting your time.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Is dumars overvalueing the progress of what stuckey can be in this league?

[WalterBenitez]

any news about Rasheed coming? or just especulations?

[coyotes_geek]

any news about Rasheed coming? or just especulations?

Just speculation. The Pistons have no incentive to move Rasheed unless they're getting something close to equal talent in return. The Spurs can't offer that.

[Bartleby]

Just speculation. The Pistons have no incentive to move Rasheed unless they're getting something close to equal talent in return. The Spurs can't offer that.

I disagree. With rumors that Amare is staying with the suns, the Pistons have to know they aren't going to get equal value for a player who will be a half season rental.

IMO, the question is really whether a team can offer enough towards their rebuilding efforts (picks, player rights, young talent, more cap space etc.) to justify losing whatever he might bring them in their playoff run this year, assuming they even make it.

[coyotes_geek]

I disagree. With rumors that Amare is staying with the suns, the Pistons have to know they aren't going to get equal value for a player who will be a half season rental.

IMO, the question is really whether a team can offer enough towards their rebuilding efforts (picks, player rights, young talent, more cap space etc.) to justify losing whatever he might bring them in their playoff run this year, assuming they even make it.

I should have been more clear. The equal talent in return that the Pistons would be looking for would probably have to be some combination of picks/rights/young players. You're correct that the odds of the Pistons being able to trade Sheed straight up for one player who is as good as Sheed are slim.

Unfortunately for the Spurs they can't offer Detroit decent draft picks or more cap space, and that leaves Splitter and Hill filling the rights & young talent roles. If the Spurs were willing to cough up both they might be able to get Dumars to raise an eyebrow. But do the Spurs want to do that?

One more important thing people seem to be forgetting is that Dumars really isn't running all that big a risk of losing Sheed for nothing if he doesn't pull the trigger on a deal. This offseason he can still re-sign Sheed, sign and trade him, or just let him walk and end up with a boatload of cap space in an offseason where most teams will be hesitant to spend money. Dumars has all the cards. The Spurs have nothing to force his hand with.

[venitian navigator]

I disagree. With rumors that Amare is staying with the suns, the Pistons have to know they aren't going to get equal value for a player who will be a half season rental.

IMO, the question is really whether a team can offer enough towards their rebuilding efforts (picks, player rights, young talent, more cap space etc.) to justify losing whatever he might bring them in their playoff run this year, assuming they even make it.

Right.
The new perspective, if effective, could improve the chances of a Wallace trade.
They have, at the moment, two young prospects (Maxiell and Amir Jhonson), plus Kwame Brown and two veterans like Mc Dyess and Wallace : six players, all worth plaiyng time, for only 48 minutes a night...
Imho, if the Spurs agree to sell them, the rights of Splitter (one of the best players in Europe in the some role of Wallace) would fit perfectly in the "new project" : they give the youg guns minutes to get better, they can evaluate the progress in the sistem of Kwame and however, they have the veteran presrence of Mc Dyess and also, in perspective, the chance to have another wonderful and experianced athlete in two years time at low cost.
All that just for a five months rental (Wallace is not in their future plan) ... at the price of giving up on a small (very small, at the moment) percentage of chances of play-off success.
If the Spurs agree (sign and trade Horry plus rights of Splitter for Wallace) I see it like a win win situation...
the only problem is the will of spurs for paiyng the lux tax...

[venitian navigator]

I should have been more clear. The equal talent in return that the Pistons would be looking for would probably have to be some combination of picks/rights/young players. You're correct that the odds of the Pistons being able to trade Sheed straight up for one player who is as good as Sheed are slim.

Unfortunately for the Spurs they can't offer Detroit decent draft picks or more cap space, and that leaves Splitter and Hill filling the rights & young talent roles. If the Spurs were willing to cough up both they might be able to get Dumars to raise an eyebrow. But do the Spurs want to do that?

One more important thing people seem to be forgetting is that Dumars really isn't running all that big a risk of losing Sheed for nothing if he doesn't pull the trigger on a deal. This offseason he can still re-sign Sheed, sign and trade him, or just let him walk and end up with a boatload of cap space in an offseason where most teams will be hesitant to spend money. Dumars has all the cards. The Spurs have nothing to force his hand with.


You're right on this...Dumars having all, the cards in his hand...but I don't buy the re-sign wallace part.
At this point, I think Dumars could evaluate the fact that Wallace knows he's no more in the future plans of the team (how could he be part of the new wave ? the some, practically, can be said of Mc Dyess but unfortunately they can sell him no more this year) and that the effort he could give in a "last run" could be .... less than expected.
So a trade could be, in any case, the best solution for everybody...

[Spur-Addict]

I am sick of people coming to these threads just to whine about the topic everytime I click on them to see if there is any update whatsoever.

+2

PREACH

:lol

[hater]

breaking news: this is NOT gonna happen :)

[urunobili]

breaking news: this is NOT gonna happen :)

cool... this means we'll sign Mensa soon :tu

[mudyez]

which last run? there is now way they will make it beyond the CF's (event that is unlikely)

if I where dumars, I'd try to find a buyer which offers me one of two things:

1) a young player or pick + expiring contracts

2) taking wallace + another contract of detroits books (only rip comes t mind, but makes any deal pretty blown up)

...1) young players=hill, splitter???

[Spur-Addict]

Is dumars overvalueing the progress of what stuckey can be in this league?

I don't think so. He certainly has the ability and mindset to be a successful player. He has excellent strength and mobility on defense when he plays it. He certainly can get to the basket and finish. His jumper is progressing. Time will tell.

Although I can't see him being a flat out superstar. (Top 15 material)

[TDMVPDPOY]

i swear no matter what we going to pull under the table to get a trade

stern and the zebras are going to be there and stop the spurs from reachin the finals....

[urunobili]

i swear no matter what we going to pull under the table to get a trade

stern and the zebras are going to be there and stop the spurs from reachin the finals....

:wow

Stop posting already dude... :bang

[LockBeard]

10th post so I can play arcade games.

[phxspurfan]

Whos that girl in your sig?

[StoneBuddha]

Whos that girl in your sig?


Evangeline Lilly, "Kate" from Lost

[Manufan909]

Wohoo, I was right, and I don't even watch Lost. You can have her phx, I don't dig skinny white girls.

[phxspurfan]

Haha thats precisely my type. Give her brunette hair (and me three shots) and I'd be all over her like Jessica Simpson on a box of donuts.

[mardigan]

breaking news: this is NOT gonna happen :)

Who is your source?

[Spork KIller]

Stop smoking crack bunch of dumbass losers!

Wallace won't be a spurm...

Fuckedup dimwits!

[xellos88330]

Stop smoking crack bunch of dumbass losers!

Wallace won't be a spurm...

Fuckedup dimwits!

You first.

[Texas_Ranger]

Stop smoking crack bunch of dumbass losers!

Wallace won't be a spurm...

Fuckedup dimwits!

you're gay!:blah

[Muser]

Stop smoking crack bunch of dumbass losers!

Wallace won't be a spurm...

Fuckedup dimwits!

Enjoy tanking your season.

[crc21209]

Listening to Chris Duel right now, he had Mike Hermes on right now, who is the guy Chris Duel knows, the same guy who said he has a source from Detroit last week. Well Mike Hermes says he has a source within the Pistons organization and that the Spurs and Pistons were talking about a Sheed deal, but the Pistons wanted Hill or Mason included in the deal and the Spurs turned it down but they are still talking as of right now and it is a 50/50 chance we get Sheed, but that the Spurs and Pistons ARE talking.

[xtremesteven33]

I would include Hill or Mason for Sheed.

But not both.

[benefactor]

Listening to Chris Duel right now, he had Mike Hermes on right now, who is the guy Chris Duel knows, the same guy who said he has a source from Detroit last week. Well Mike Hermes says he has a source within the Pistons organization and that the Spurs and Pistons were talking about a Sheed deal, but the Pistons wanted Hill or Mason included in the deal and the Spurs turned it down but they are still talking as of right now and it is a 50/50 chance we get Sheed, but that the Spurs and Pistons ARE talking.
Wow...I am so holding my breath.

[xtremesteven33]

Listening to Chris Duel right now, he had Mike Hermes on right now, who is the guy Chris Duel knows, the same guy who said he has a source from Detroit last week. Well Mike Hermes says he has a source within the Pistons organization and that the Spurs and Pistons were talking about a Sheed deal, but the Pistons wanted Hill or Mason included in the deal and the Spurs turned it down but they are still talking as of right now and it is a 50/50 chance we get Sheed, but that the Spurs and Pistons ARE talking.


thanks for the update :tu

[crc21209]

thanks for the update :tu


No problem man.

[anjlbitz]

Mason + filler for Sheed?

[crc21209]

So with this new update...who here would give up Mason and fillers for Sheed? Or would people rather give up Hill and fillers for Sheed?

[xtremesteven33]

Spurs would be crazy not to include either one of them for a spot they so need in the rotation.

like i said...not both but either one i would definitely give either one..

and if i had to chose.....i would pick Hill.

[Spursfan092120]

Stop smoking crack bunch of dumbass losers!

Wallace won't be a spurm...

Fuckedup dimwits!

Oh god..you again? Why don't you go back to the desert where fans are gay and there are no champions. It must really suck to know that your franchise focused entirely on putting a team together to beat another team, and you couldn't do it. You'll never win a title, you'll never beat the Spurs, you'll never win a thing. THe sooner you realize this, the quicker you can move on with your life.

[HarlemHeat37]

if we have to give up Hill(which we would) in a deal for Sheed, I'd have to do it..not both Hill and Mason though..

I highly doubt Detroit wants Mason and fillers..Hill has a lot of potential, and he's young, so it would make sense for them..Mason doesn't make sense for them..

[ManuTP9]

Mason + filler for Sheed?

i would throw in mason imo

[crc21209]

So the question here really is....who do we get more use out of? Who is better? Who could we live without....Mason or Hill...if either was included in a deal for Sheed.

[HarlemHeat37]

THIS year, Mason is much more valuable than Hill..

[Texas_Ranger]

If it would come to Hill or Mason, I'd say goodbye George.

[crc21209]

I have to agree I think, we could live without Hill. Mason brings something more to this team than George. Hill plays less minutes, and is less productive than Mase right now. And Mase/Vaughn (if need be) could handle the backup point duties.

[Gutter92]

While I would really like to get Rasheed, and win this year, I dont wanna watch 3 years from now when Hill shuts down Parker and drops 25 on him:nope

[xtremesteven33]

While I would really like to get Rasheed, and win this year, I dont wanna watch 3 years from now when Hill shuts down Parker and drops 25 on him:nope



3 years from now and 2 championships later???


yea i can live with that...

[Spursfan092120]

3 years from now and 2 championships later???


yea i can live with that...

I agree 100%

[crc21209]

I agree also. THE WINDOW IS NOW. 2 TO 3 MORE YEARS. We gotta do it, just imagine a 4th qtr line-up of TP, Manu, Mason, Sheed, and TD! MOOOOONNNNNEEEYYYY!

[xmas1997]

C'mon get the deal done already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crc21209]

Where is SPURSOWNTEXAS on his "source?" It's Tuesday....any minute now....

[DPG21920]

If Manu is really hurt, then there is no way they trade Mason.

[Ditty]

Where is SPURSOWNTEXAS on his "source?" It's Tuesday....any minute now....

nothing

[crc21209]

Nothing at all? Cmon SPURSOWNTEXAS....Spurstalk is counting on you...lol but really...do some work and get us a scoop damn it! lol

[Slinkyman]

While I would really like to get Rasheed, and win this year, I dont wanna watch 3 years from now when Hill shuts down Parker and drops 25 on him:nope

You sound like the guys who thought Beno was going to be an all star and thought we should trade Parker and start Beno. Hill is playing well for a rookie but he has a long way to go before he's a legit starter in this league.

[weebo]

No trades will be made...watch

[crc21209]

Pistons losing their ass at halftime to the Bucks 50-37....cmon Joe send us Sheed already he doesnt wanna be there!

[Ice009]

There is no way you trade Mason for Rasheed. If we were to make that trade what happens if he walks in the off season? We'll end up with nothing.

Hill I might consider, but not Mason. Mason is playing big minutes for us this season, Hill is not, but he has great potential.

[Gutter92]

You sound like the guys who thought Beno was going to be an all star and thought we should trade Parker and start Beno. Hill is playing well for a rookie but he has a long way to go before he's a legit starter in this league.


Yea, i may have exaggerated a bit...but I would really like to keep Hill and land Rasheed, if that is in any way possible

[crc21209]

Pistons down 74-61 to the Bucks IN DETROIT. Pathetic. Come on Joe Dumars just give us Sheed your team is going nowhere this year anyway!

[Ice009]

Pistons down 74-61 to the Bucks IN DETROIT. Pathetic. Come on Joe Dumars just give us Sheed your team is going nowhere this year anyway!

I'll take him if Rasheed told Joe he wants to go to San Antonio. Do it Joe. You're just wasting time not developing young players if Rasheed doesn't want to be there.

[crc21209]

I'll take him if Rasheed told Joe he wants to go to San Antonio. Do it Joe. You're just wasting time not developing young players if Rasheed doesn't want to be there.


:toast EXACTLY.

[Spur-Addict]

34 Hours.

[LakeShow_2009]

Pistons down 74-61 to the Bucks IN DETROIT. Pathetic. Come on Joe Dumars just give us Sheed your team is going nowhere this year anyway!

niether yours

[timtonymanu]

34 Hours.

good thing i have a term paper to keep me busy.

[angelbelow]

i cant study like this. i wish the trade deadline would just pass. dont care whether this trade happens or not.

[Russ]

Chris Broussard of ESPN says on "First Take" that the Spurs may be after Richard Jefferson.

"Would look very good in a Spurs uniform," says Broussard.

No other players mentioned.

[stxspurs]

we do we want wallace...do u think he is really going to resign the end of the yr...i dont.
i rather keep hill and mason...rather than get rid and rent wallace for the playoffs

[Chomag]

Having Sheed this year would be killer. But I think because of this Sheed rumor we have kind of lost insite that we don't need a superstar we just need someone to do the dirty work and help Timmy defend the lane, and the post.

[lebomb]

Hmmmm............ Richard Jefferson :fro

[coyotes_geek]

Seems like media types want the Spurs to turn into the golden state warriors with all these rumors about going after offense only players.

[rascal]

If it would come to Hill or Mason, I'd say goodbye George.

I'd say get rid of Mason. Hill has more future upside potential.

[StoneBuddha]

I'd say get rid of Mason. Hill has more future upside potential.

That's true, but if the goal is to win now. Mason is more valuable short term, especially if the Spurs are bringing in a big.

[crc21209]

Right now the guys I want the Spurs to go after...in order..

Big Men

1. Sheed
2. Camby
3. Miller

Small Forwards

1. John Salmons
2. Richard Jefferson

These are the guys the Spurs should be targeting...but only send any package consisting of : Udoka, Finley, Vaughn, Oberto, Splitter, Mahinmi, picks, cash, and Horry.

[YODA]

wHATS THE exact trade deadline time?

[crc21209]

2 pm but some trades are not even announced til later in the day ala Kurt Thomas trade wasnt announced till about 6 pm or so last yr.

[crc21209]

The Detroit Pistons are sinking... fast. After losing at home last night to the injury plagued Milwaukee Bucks, the Pistons are now just 27-25. This is a team that very well could implode if some sort of change doesn't take place. Out East, they could still easily make the playoffs. Remember, though, this is a team full of guys used to competing for a championship. Trying to hold on to one of the last three seeds in the East doesn't exactly fit that bill. Both Allen Iverson and Rasheed Wallace are expiring deals and could potentially be moved. Iverson and Wallace are also potentially volatile in less than ideal situations and keeping both could end up making life miserable for head coach Michael Curry if they aren't traded and the team continues its downward trend. Expect the Pistons to explore all options between now and Thursday.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11623

[Thomas82]

Judging by what I read on SI.com, Pop seems to be content with going into the playoffs with what we already have.

[EricB]

Judging by what I read on SI.com, Pop seems to be content with going into the playoffs with what we already have.

You can't believe everything pop says in print.

[tp2021]

Judging by what I read on SI.com, Pop seems to be content with going into the playoffs with what we already have.

CIA Pop. If some of these teams are selling low, I see Pop making a deal. I just don't know what.

[coyotes_geek]

Judging by what I read on SI.com, Pop seems to be content with going into the playoffs with what we already have.

Pop lies!

That being said I think we end up going into the playoffs with what we already have, with the minor addition of Horry or a D-leaguer. But not for a lack of the Spurs trying to make a deal.

[EricB]

Richard Jefferson is a hard sell, I don't see the Spurs going after him honestly.


I think with Amare going by the way side as a trade asset, that really helped the Spurs in wanting Wallace.


I think if the Spurs wait it out some more, they might get a deal done for Wallace, who knows.

[WildcardManu]

No one wants to help the Spurs

[tp2021]

I agree with TPark

[EricB]

I agree with TPark

:looks around:

Where did he post?

[tp2021]

:smokin

[crc21209]

I agree. With Amare looking more and more like hes gonna stay, this is gonna help the Spurs in their pursuit of Wallace. I think Joe D has to honor the wishes of Sheed, after all, Sheed was a big part in gettin Joe that ship'. And the Pistons dont seem to be going anywhere this year anyway, might as well develop your new young talent and let Sheed go.

[tp2021]

I don't think "might as well" is in the vocabulary of someone that will have to spend millions of dollars in this economy.

[crc21209]

Joe D. has no choice, does he really wanna risk the chance of Sheed turnin on him and the team and rebelling against Michael Curry and cancering the team even more. It's clear a guy like Sheed who wants to win does not wanna be on a team in a "rebuilding" type of mode.

[DBMethos]

I don't see how Joe's respect for Rasheed would lead him to make such an incredibly questionable business move.

[JamStone]

Joe D. has no choice, does he really wanna risk the chance of Sheed turnin on him and the team and rebelling against Michael Curry and cancering the team even more. It's clear a guy like Sheed who wants to win does not wanna be on a team in a "rebuilding" type of mode.

So he walks after the season.

Sheed turning on Dumars and rebelling against Curry does what exactly? The season is already bad. It's not like he'd fuck up a potential championship season anyway.

Dumars will make a move only if he believes it helps the team, and helps it right now.

Dumars doesn't make decisions based on only emotion, loyalty, or respect. Those things can factor in only if the move is a sound business move first of all. If it's not a good business move in his opinion, then it doesn't matter what the player wants or what Dumars thinks of that player.

Dumars has not made a move purely based on respecting a player's wishes before. He's not going to start now.

[JamStone]

I agree. With Amare looking more and more like hes gonna stay, this is gonna help the Spurs in their pursuit of Wallace. I think Joe D has to honor the wishes of Sheed, after all, Sheed was a big part in gettin Joe that ship'. And the Pistons dont seem to be going anywhere this year anyway, might as well develop your new young talent and let Sheed go.


If you know Sheed at all, he's not the type of player that will demand a trade. He might want one, but he won't demand one, and he won't act up just to make the trade happen.

And, there aren't any indications that Sheed is demanding one. Saying he would like the idea of joining the Spurs does not in any way mean he's demanding a trade.

As I just wrote above, Joe Dumars will make a trade if he feels it helps the team and helps the team now. He won't make a trade to appease a player's wishes or demands. He's never worked that way.

[EricB]

What's the excuse for the iverson trade then?

[JamStone]

What's the excuse for the iverson trade then?


No excuse. Dumars made the trade because he felt it would help the team. Dumars was wrong. It hasn't worked out that way, but he didn't do it "only" to dump Billups' salary.

Giving Rasheed up for nothing doesn't help the team at all and it's obvious that it doesn't.

Dumars will make a move if he "believes" it helps his team. His belief can end up being wrong. But, he won't make a move that from the outset is clear won't help the team.

[phyzik]

No excuse. Dumars made the trade because he felt it would help the team. Dumars was wrong. It hasn't worked out that way, but he didn't do it "only" to dump Billups' salary.

Giving Rasheed up for nothing doesn't help the team at all and it's obvious that it doesn't.

Dumars will make a move if he "believes" it helps his team. His belief can end up being wrong. But, he won't make a move that from the outset is clear won't help the team.

It definitely doesn't help Detroit if they just let his contract expire and he walks while Detroit gets nothing in return.

[ss1986v2]

It definitely doesn't help Detroit if they just let his contract expire and he walks while Detroit gets nothing in return.

how so? we have neither the expiring contracts to match the salary of sheed, nor the assets to make up for that lack of expirings.

if the options are trade with us or let him expire, im not sure our package comes out on top.

[DBMethos]

We ain't gettin' Sheed.

[coyotes_geek]

It definitely doesn't help Detroit if they just let his contract expire and he walks while Detroit gets nothing in return.

If Rasheed walks the Pistons get cap room. Cap room during a summer where very few teams will feel like spending money and free agents will be looking for whatever they can get. Letting Sheed walk to get the cap space very well could be Dumars' whole plan. And it's not a bad one.

[ABDENOUR POWER]

It definitely doesn't help Detroit if they just let his contract expire and he walks while Detroit gets nothing in return.

Yes it does. The cap space created by Rasheed and AI's expiring contracts would be enough for Detroit to sign two players to max deals.

[lebomb]

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!

[benefactor]

We ain't gettin' Sheed.
Ahh...the voice of reason.

[Thomas82]

You can't believe everything pop says in print.


I know, and hopefully he's trying to get that big man that we need.

[Thomas82]

I agree. With Amare looking more and more like hes gonna stay, this is gonna help the Spurs in their pursuit of Wallace. I think Joe D has to honor the wishes of Sheed, after all, Sheed was a big part in gettin Joe that ship'. And the Pistons dont seem to be going anywhere this year anyway, might as well develop your new young talent and let Sheed go.

If Joe had any morals, he would do it. Come on Joe, have a heart!!

[Brazil]

All these trade speculations drive me nuts, I'd love to hear right now yes the spurs adquire x or the spurs adquire nothing except a manu injury.

[Thomas82]

All these trade speculations drive me nuts, I'd love to hear right now yes the spurs adquire x or the spurs adquire nothing except a manu injury.

Yeah, me too. I just want it to be over.

[Brazil]

wow Active users : 642

[Ditty]

my friend's dad hasn't talked to RC or anyone that works for the spurs Fo since last week so I don't know if the trade is going to happen or not last week there was a deal on the table supposdly we'll see what happens tommorow if not then it's going to be tough to win the championship unless LA gets knocked out by someone if they play us

[Duncan2177]

I hate to say it but if nothing happens the spurs are truly fucked.

[TheSpursFNRule]

I hate to say it but if nothing happens the spurs are truly fucked.

its true. I realized this at the Knicks game.

[Brazil]

its true. I realized this at the Knicks game.

I think during the knicks the players had everything else in mind (manu injury) they know without him end of story.

[Spur-Addict]

14 Hours.