Free Agent: Rasheed Wallace

[Spurs9]

Theres no way they wanted Gortat over sheed. Look at the decisions the spurs have made this year signing jefferson and the 2 draft picks. Theres no way in hell they aren't going after Rasheed first out of whats available, they aren't stupid.

[Sobe_Kucks]

So with alll this public Gortat Sheed Spurs Hooplah, in True Spurs Front Office CIA "double secret probation" fashion, I would not be at all surprised to hear we signed Dyess!

[Muser]

McDyess?


Aren't the Pistons trying to re-sign him? I though Joe wanted to keep him after getting CV.

[HarlemHeat37]

An aggressive pursuit should be enough..the offer could be good..

-3 year, MLE..
-Competing for the starting PF spot with Finley, assuming 'Sheed would win..
-Legit chance at a ring, less competition in the West..
-An ideal offensive game for him, where he would be able to play outside like he enjoys..
-Playing for Pop, a similar coach to Larry Brown..
-Playing next to a player he respects in TD..
-Warm weather..

2 year offer in Boston, no starting spot, more competition and physicality in the East, playing for a mediocre coach(IMO), and the weather issue..

[Spursfan092120]

Aren't the Pistons trying to re-sign him? I though Joe wanted to keep him after getting CV.
of course they are...but that doesn't mean he's going to stay for sure...he may want to go to a contender.

[Bruno]

So Spurs have given up on Sheed for Gortat while Gortat is said to have made a commitment to Mavs. It surely makes ton of sense. :lol

I think that one thing Pop would like is to let Spurs in a good cap space shape when he left the team in 2012. I doubt he has the mindset "I will left Spurs likely in 2012 with Tim, I don't care about what happens after that".
I doubt Spurs offer a full MLE contract to a gamble player like Gortat. If Spurs sign a player to a contract longer than 3 years, the player should be a "no-brainer".

[scottspurs]

An aggressive pursuit should be enough..the offer could be good..

-3 year, MLE..
-Competing for the starting PF spot with Finley, assuming 'Sheed would win..
-Legit chance at a ring, less competition in the West..
-An ideal offensive game for him, where he would be able to play outside like he enjoys..
-Playing for Pop, a similar coach to Larry Brown..
-Playing next to a player he respects in TD..
-Warm weather..

2 year offer in Boston, no starting spot, more competition and physicality in the East, playing for a mediocre coach(IMO), and the weather issue..

I honestly believe Rasheed is tired of the cold weather of Portland and Detroit. I know if I was to spend my entire career in the cold I wouldn't want to finish in Boston. I think it has to come down to SA vs Orlando when all the bullshit smoke clears. If Spurs are intrested and make their pitch he will make the wise decision. Patience.

[galvatron3000]

So Spurs have given up on Sheed for Gortat while Gortat is said to have made a commitment to Mavs. It surely makes ton of sense. :lol

I think that one thing Pop would like is to let Spurs in a good cap space shape when he left the team in 2012. I doubt he has the mindset "I will left Spurs likely in 2012 with Tim, I don't care about what happens after that".
I doubt Spurs offer a full MLE contract to a gamble player like Gortat. If Spurs sign a player to a contract longer than 3 years, the player should be a "no-brainer".

Looks like Dyess is the player then but if that's the case why and what are they up too?

[coyotes_geek]

McDyess?

With the Spurs, who knows? I would think so, but then I would have thought they'd have liked Sheed more than Gortat. Again, all this assuming what Broussard says is true.

[jacobdrj]

I sincerely hope SA ends up with McD and or Rasheed. Particularly McD. He deserves a title. But he should have stayed in Denver. He could have been the difference against the Lakers.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Pop would leave no witnesses. The Celtics are soft.

:lol

[Blackjack]

Chris Broussard just said on Sportscenter that now he thinks Sheed is going to wait this out but ultimately end up in Boston. He said the Spurs are not showing as much interest in Sheed as people may think...and that the Spurs are targeting Gortat with the whole MLE instead. And that Sheed would end up in Boston also because of their "aggressiveness" to get him.

A little clarification:

Broussard stated that some league insiders/sources were surprised that the Spurs didn't seem to be pursuing Wallace the way they would've thought. Some other league insiders/sources were telling Broussard that they actually believed that Gortat was the player the Spurs were targeting; I'm assuming because of the perceived lackluster effort in the recruitment of 'Sheed.

In other words, Broussard reported some speculation from sources/insiders that were about as informed as most of the posters on here.

Wallace isn't going to make his decision with out hearing what all parties have to offer. The Spurs will get their opportunity. And if they bite the bullet on the third year and simply point out just how much better a fit their situation is for 'Sheed?

I like the Spurs' chances.

[benefactor]

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/07/02/artest.lakers.ap/


Wallace will visit San Antonio and Orlando next week, according to a source, before making up his mind.
Guess we are all in suspense until then.

[kbrury]

Guess we are all in suspense until then.

We will keep getting posts of getting Ariza on the Spurs.

[benefactor]

Ariza is probably headed to Houston.

[EricB]

Orlando was supposedly out though :lol

Hilarious.

BTW, the Gortat contract is a contract that can be matched.

A little birdy told me this afternoon, they might match.

[benefactor]

Orlando was supposedly out though :lol

Hilarious.

BTW, the Gortat contract is a contract that can be matched.

A little birdy told me this afternoon, they might match.
There has also been some speculation about a S&T for Bass. Guess we will have to wait and see.

[bishopospurs]

Please don't sign Bass. It isn't the end of the world if we don't get Sheed or Gortat. We need a 7 footer of some kind and we will get someone. There is still trade options out there, if Pop isn't dropping his pants for sheed he must have a plan. Where is the patience?

[benefactor]

Please don't sign Bass. It isn't the end of the world if we don't get Sheed or Gortat. We need a 7 footer of some kind and we will get someone. There is still trade options out there, if Pop isn't dropping his pants for sheed he must have a plan. Where is the patience?
...a Dallas S&T with Orlando. Bass would go to the Magic and Gortat would go to Dallas.

[bishopospurs]

...a Dallas S&T with Orlando. Bass would go to the Magic and Gortat would go to Dallas.
Fine with me, I am not too excited about either player.

[timvp]

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/07/02/artest.lakers.ap/


Guess we are all in suspense until then.

Dear Sheed,

We need to receive Sheed's answer by July 7th at three before all the other free agents leave.

Thanks.

-Spurs fans

[Knoxxx]

Sounds to me like we are the frontrunners for Wallace since we have a starting slot earmarked for him and all the minutes he can handle. Gortat, sounds like Orlando just strings out the Mavs and then matches. I don't see any scenario yet where the Mavs improve this offseason, and the Rockets are looking bad too. :-)

[bishopospurs]

Rockets are looking real bad... I am a spurs fan through and through, but the Yao situation is too bad.

[picnroll]

I can see douche Garnett talking to Sheed

"Hey Sheed sign with the Cletics. But take your time so all those other contenders looking for a big and hoping to sign you will be strung out waiting while all the other good FAs are taken off the boards".

[ElNono]

With all the free agents that we're targeting committing to other teams, I'm glad Finley picked up his option. At least we'll have him to play PF...


:vomit:

[Spursmania]

Shit, Just got on. Can't believe all the rumors. Why aren't the Spurs pursuing Wallace agressively? If they have other plans they better get to it before all the good bigs are signed it. Please, no Bass.

Artest to the Lakers? Wow.

[z0sa]

Hopefully our first offer was 3yrs @ MLE, and a starting position.

[timvp]

Here is an interesting thought. How about a sign and trade with Detroit?

We give them Bonner, Finley and Marcus William's unguaranteed contract for a 6 million dollar deal with Sheed? Can't. They'll need to sign him with cap space money and they won't have $6M after signing BG and Villy

[MarHill]

I'm glad the Wallace is taking his time and not rushing at the first offer. I hope this give RC and Pop some time.....to make a fair offer to Sheed.

3 years for the MLE and call it an evening.

However, I would still like Gortat and would love if the FO could steal him from the Mavs!! :lol

[Spursmania]

Hopefully our first offer was 3yrs @ MLE, and a starting position.

:tu

[Slinkyman]

Here is an interesting thought. How about a sign and trade with Detroit?

We give them Bonner, Finley and Marcus William's unguaranteed contract for a 6 million dollar deal with Sheed? It gives the Pistons more depth and expiring contracts (possibly to use while dealing with other teams for trades) and it also gives us Sheed without using our MLE.

I figure this works for all three parties involved. Sheed gets his money, the Pistons can pick up players and the Spurs get Sheed and still have the MLE. This move would have to be made after the Pistons sign their two free agents in Ben and Chuck. They do have Sheed's bird rights so they might as well use them.

Would Detroit want Bonner and Finley?

[timvp]

Don't his bird rights the Pistons own give the team the chance to offer him what he wants without using an MLE.

They have to renounce him to create the salary cap room to sign those two.

[objective]

no thanks on Wallace if it takes 3 years on a deal. He's already in decline, he's going to be total dead weight nd quitting on the team well before a 3-year deal is done.

Give me McDyess instead. He's fine with playing a role, and you never have to worry about him quitting or giving a full effort or being out of shape. And if there's another Spur this year or next who is good enough to snatch the starting big role (be it Splitter, Mahinmi or Blair) . . . McDyess is a professional who would be fine coming off the bench.

[Chillen]

I hope Sheed signs with the Spurs, so in the 2010 playoffs he makes the Lakers taste his own ass and Duncan's to. As good as a signing as Artest is for LA, Sheed and Duncan is nasty.

[coyotes_geek]

Shit, Just got on. Can't believe all the rumors. Why aren't the Spurs pursuing Wallace agressively?

I wouldn't get too worked up about it. Rumors fly around like crazy this time of year and most of it is crap. We have no idea who the "league sources" are who allegedly said the Spurs are pursuing Sheed aggressively. Hell, for all we know that league source could be Danny Ainge just throwing a comment out there hoping that Sheed will overhear it and think the Spurs don't want him.

[coyotes_geek]

...a Dallas S&T with Orlando. Bass would go to the Magic and Gortat would go to Dallas.

I don't think that's possible, at least not without getting a 3rd team involved. Both Gortat and Bass would be BYC. That makes a deal pretty complicated to work out.

[thOOdee]

3 year! do it!...TWIN TOWERS BACK IN ACTION!

[lefty]

This just in :










I just made a big poop

[z0sa]

Hopefully Sheed signs with us. He and Dyess are our best bets at filling the gaping hole in the frontcourt.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

no thanks on Wallace if it takes 3 years on a deal. He's already in decline, he's going to be total dead weight nd quitting on the team well before a 3-year deal is done.

Give me McDyess instead. He's fine with playing a role, and you never have to worry about him quitting or giving a full effort or being out of shape. And if there's another Spur this year or next who is good enough to snatch the starting big role (be it Splitter, Mahinmi or Blair) . . . McDyess is a professional who would be fine coming off the bench.

This is my thinking too.

[rjv]

if the spurs were so interested in gortat then why was there never an offer made to him? sounds like a smoke screen to me.

[Marcus Bryant]

no thanks on Wallace if it takes 3 years on a deal. He's already in decline, he's going to be total dead weight nd quitting on the team well before a 3-year deal is done.

Give me McDyess instead. He's fine with playing a role, and you never have to worry about him quitting or giving a full effort or being out of shape. And if there's another Spur this year or next who is good enough to snatch the starting big role (be it Splitter, Mahinmi or Blair) . . . McDyess is a professional who would be fine coming off the bench.

Because McDyess won't be "dead weight" in a couple of seasons.

[SenorSpur]

Looks like Gortat is off the market for the Spurs.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60287/20090702/gortat_gives_verbal_commitment_to_sign_with_dallas/#

[rjv]

honestly, mcdyess did have a better year than wallace did last season...the gap between them is really marginal at best.

[z0sa]

Looks like Gortat is off the market for the Spurs.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60287/20090702/gortat_gives_verbal_commitment_to_sign_with_dallas/#

Can the spurs grab Dyess easier than Wallace? How many eggs are we stacking in our basket by participating in the Sheed Sweepstakes? Could Dyess get locked up, Wallace become a celtic, and spurs possibly even lose on a guy like Gooden?

I doubt they're letting anything get past them, but we're in the dark about how aggressive the FO's stance is on acquiring Sheed. If we can grab Dyess without the drama, I may go for it. No reason to risk Oberto starting at center (or Matt Bonner, yeah I said it)

[coyotes_geek]

honestly, mcdyess did have a better year than wallace did last season...the gap between them is really marginal at best.

The Spurs can't go wrong with either. Personally I'd give the edge to Sheed just because of his D in the post.

I'm also liking Zaza Pachulia. Curious that he's not getting any attention from any teams yet.

[Spursmania]

Our chances seem to be getting slimmer and slimmer of picking up a quality big. Was it Obstructed View that said free agents never sign with us-good ones anyway. Maybe he's right.

It's looking like the Celtics will get Sheed and Gortat is gone to Dallas. So, that leaves Dyess-great, but we know how he doesn't want to leave Detroit.

:flipoff Boston.

And, I don't give a damn about Bass. I'm not too optimistic anymore, but I hope I'm dead wrong. and the FO will surprise us again.

[Marcus Bryant]

5 years, $32 mil for Gortat?

[picnroll]

This is beginning to remind me of when the Spurs had all the cap space in '03, after Kidd jerked them around. Spurs targeted Brand, then it was O'Neal, and finally they landed ...

Rasho :bang

[coyotes_geek]

5 years, $32 mil for Gortat?

Crazy stuff, isn't it? Dallas can have him for that as far as I'm concerned.

I think he'll do okay there, but that's a lot of scratch to fork over to a guy because he got noticed during a playoff run.

And somewhere, off in the distance, Desagana Diop raises an eyebrow............

[timvp]

5 years, $32 mil for Gortat?

The hilarious part is that if the Magic were eliminated in the first round, he probably gets like a two-year, $6M deal somewhere. The Magic making it to the Finals upped his value like five fold. :wow

[Spursmania]

5 years, $32 mil for Gortat?

Wow...WTF?

[MarHill]

Looks like Gortat is off the market for the Spurs.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60287/20090702/gortat_gives_verbal_commitment_to_sign_with_dallas/#

Oh well...

I wanted Gortat but the Spurs shouldn't have to overpay for him either.

[Blackjack]

'Dyess wouldn't be a bad consolation, but he'd definitely be a consolation.

'Sheed's defensive-length is something 'Dyess just can't duplicate. He's more of a workman-type player than 'Sheed and brings a lot of positive attributes to a team, but he ain't Wallace.

The Spurs, with the acquisition of Jefferson and the willingness to go into the luxury tax, are in a "win now" mode. If Wallace is believed to be the piece that helps you to do that, and it takes a third year to acquire his services, you do so.

Worse comes to worst, he's an expiring contract in year 3...

[MarHill]

The hilarious part is that if the Magic were eliminated in the first round, he probably gets like a two-year, $6M deal somewhere. The Magic making it to the Finals upped his value like five fold. :wow


Yes he's cashing in on his play in the ECF vs. Cavs!!

This is his lottery ticket....good for him!!

I wanted him to come to the Spurs but giving him the MLE for 5 years is way too much!!!

[Spursmania]

Do we know if and when Sheed is coming to SA to meet with them?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Our chances seem to be getting slimmer and slimmer of picking up a quality big. Was it Obstructed View that said free agents never sign with us-good ones anyway. Maybe he's right.

It's looking like the Celtics will get Sheed and Gortat is gone to Dallas. So, that leaves Dyess-great, but we know how he doesn't want to leave Detroit.

:flipoff Boston.

And, I don't give a damn about Bass. I'm not too optimistic anymore, but I hope I'm dead wrong. and the FO will surprise us again.

Huh? No we don't. From what I've read he's happy to leave Detroit after leaving money on the table to return to their ongoing disaster last year, and Detroit spent all their money on Gordon and Charlie V (although I wouln't have a clue why).

Sheed will go to Boston and have a poor season because he's really slowed down the last two years, which has clearly affected his defense (especially getting to corner shooters), and his shooting has never been all that (poor shot selection a career trade mark, and a 35% average from 3).

We will land McDyess, who would love a ring and is a perfect fit next to Timmy - he has a fantastic mid-range jumper, is excellent on the boards, and a decent defender. He doesn't block a whole lot of shots, but that's okay because Timmy and Ian can do that for the first and second teams respectively.

Bring on Antonio.

[coyotes_geek]

Do we know if and when Sheed is coming to SA to meet with them?

Next week. I forget which of the 37 Sheed threads it was in.

[Spursfan092120]

Do we know if and when Sheed is coming to SA to meet with them?
I'm sure he will...when? Who knows...

[Marcus Bryant]

Leave it to Cuban to overpay a big white center who played well in limited minutes.

[BlackSwordsMan]

every free agent thread marcus makes some other team signs

[Marcus Bryant]

every free agent thread marcus makes some other team signs

Then the Spurs will sign no one.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Sheed, at this point in his career, is massively over-rated by most people IMHO. I owned him in Dynasty League and watched a bit of him last year to see how he was faring. I came back rather worried that he'd stepped off the productivity cliff that haunts most bigs around the age of 35, so I dealt him for Michael Redd (who was injured at the time, and the guy who gave him to me was making a run at the trophy... but I got a steal however you look at it).

[SenorSpur]

Oh well...

I wanted Gortat but the Spurs shouldn't have to overpay for him either.

The Mavs better hope Gortat doesn't turn into Diop 2.0

[MarHill]

If Sheed goes back to Boston.....

then the Spurs should get McDyess and Rasho (I can't believe I just wrote that)LOL!!!

[migs21]

Over on CelticsBlog, we just saw that Danny Ainge showed up on Rasheed Wallace’s doorstep last night at midnight to give Boston’s recruiting pitch to the free agent.

That pretty much tells you, just like everyone’s been talking about for the past few days, ‘Sheed is Boston’s No. 1 free agent target this offseason. On paper, a lineup of ‘Sheed, KG, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Rajon Rondo (assuming Boston can’t swing a trade to get him out of town), looks pretty solid. But there are lots of concerns.

First off, they’re old. Whether it was because ‘Sheed just didn’t care about last season or whatever, by the time the Cavs dismissed the Pistons, he didn’t look like he had much left in the tank. Would a move to Boston rejuvenate him? Maybe. But I wouldn’t be looking for a whole lot out of Wallace beyond just hanging out at the top of the key to jack threes. Another shooter helps them, but it’s not really what they need - another athletic perimeter player who can create his own shot and take some of the scoring burden off of Paul Pierce.

And how about Rasheed’s on-court antics? Even the most die-hard Detroit fan has to admit that it’s a tired act at this point. Maybe playing with KG, Pierce and Ray will chill him out a bit.

Overall, I think Boston clearly needs to get younger and faster. Remember when the Celtics’ master plan behind drafting Len Bias was that his youth and athleticism would extend the careers of Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish? Danny Ainge needs to apply that same type of thinking to this Boston team. While there’s probably nobody out there like a Len Bias, there are guys to be had. The San Antonio Spurs just pulled off exactly what I’m talking about with their acquisition of Richard Jefferson. The Spurs moved a few bit pieces for a guy who will keep their championship contender window open a few years long just by being in the mix.

A move like that makes a ton more sense than paying for a guy who might be done.

http://dimemag.com/2009/07/this-would-be-a-mistake-for-the-celtics/

[MarHill]

The Mavs better hope Gortat doesn't turn into Diop 2.0

That would suck for the Mavs!!

However, Gortat is getting the biggest contract in his career!!!!!

[EricB]

Gortat pretty much IS the white Diop.

[Blackjack]

Sheed, at this point in his career, is massively over-rated by most people IMHO. I owned him in Dynasty League and watched a bit of him last year to see how he was faring. I came back rather worried that he'd stepped off the productivity cliff that haunts most bigs around the age of 35, so I dealt him for Michael Redd (who was injured at the time, and the guy who gave him to me was making a run at the trophy... but I got a steal however you look at it).

Judging 'Sheed's effectiveness going forward, on last year's performance, isn't all that wise.

Detroit was a veteran team that had gone stale, traded their floor-general, and whose front office had mailed in the season.

It was a once proud, championship-caliber team, that knew it was going nowhere. Was it really a surprise that individual and team success wouldn't thrive in such a circumstance?

'Sheed's not what he used to be but he'd be an upgrade over the Horry of 3 years ago, and I don't see how Spurs fans wouldn't welcome him with open arms.

Stop judging 'Sheed as to where he is to his prime, and start looking at the type of role he could play, with the talent he has, on a contender lacking his attributes.

He's a no-brainer if he's willing to come.

[crc21209]

Next week. I forget which of the 37 Sheed threads it was in.

Is he really coming to SA to visit? Where has this been written? I thought it was stated that Boston, Cleveland, AND San Antonio all met with him today?

[FkLA]

Thank god the Mavs stepped up with their idioticy and signed Gortat...first they give that ridiculous contract to Dampier, than Diop, and now Gortat.

Thank You for being an idiot Cuban

http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/watchdog/blog/markcuban.jpg







Now get the fuck out there and get us Sheed Pop.

[coyotes_geek]

Is he really coming to SA to visit? Where has this been written? I thought it was stated that Boston, Cleveland, AND San Antonio all met with him today?

Ugh. Now I don't remember if it was that Sheed was going to come to SA or meet with SA. But I do remember reading somewhere in one of the sheed threads, maybe even this one, that the Spurs and Sheed were going to meet next week.

[lurker23]

Is he really coming to SA to visit? Where has this been written? I thought it was stated that Boston, Cleveland, AND San Antonio all met with him today?

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130357


Boston lead owner Wyc Grousbeck, general manager Danny Ainge, head coach Doc Rivers, Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce all went to Detroit on Thursday to formally present Wallace with an offer for the full mid-level exception. But they left town without Wallace agreeing to a deal. Wallace will visit San Antonio and Orlando next week, according to a source, before making up his mind. Wallace is not likely to visit Cleveland.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/feature...artest.lakers/

[duncan228]

Wallace receptive to Celtics' pitch (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/chris_mannix/07/02/Celtics.Wallace/)
Chris Mannix
SI.com

BOSTON -- The Boston Celtics made their pitch to Rasheed Wallace on Thursday. And Wallace was receptive.

A contingent from the Celtics organization -- including owner Wyc Grousbeck, President Danny Ainge, head coach Doc Rivers and All-Stars Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce and Ray Allen -- descended on Wallace's suburban Michigan home on Thursday for a three-hour meeting with the free-agent forward.

"Solid, thorough, cogent and very impressive," Wallace's agent, Bill Strickland, told SI.com about Boston's recruiting trip. "[They] definitely gave Rasheed and his wife something to think about."

During the course of the meeting the Celtics offered Wallace a contract using their entire mid-level exception. It is unclear how many years Boston offered Wallace, who will be 35 at the start of next season.

Multiple league executives believe Wallace is deciding between Boston and San Antonio. Both the Celtics and Spurs can offer Wallace the full mid-level exception ($5.6 million). With Ron Artest agreeing to terms with the Lakers and Trevor Ariza agreeing to a deal with Houston on Thursday, league sources expect Cleveland to make a late push for Wallace's services. Orlando, should they choose not to re-sign restricted free agent Marcin Gortat, is also a possibility.

However, Boston and San Antonio stand as the strongest candidates. The Celtics can offer Wallace a chance to stay in the Eastern Conference as well as the opportunity to play with Garnett, who is a close friend. San Antonio, which traded forwards Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas last month in the deal for Richard Jefferson, can offer Wallace a starters role. Boston's interest in Wallace is believed to be as a backup.

Wallace has given no indication as to when he will make a decision.

[lurker23]

Despite the media hoopla over Boston, I'm inclined to think that we're at an advantage making our pitch second. We know exactly what the Celtics have offered, and we can either choose to match it or exceed it by another year (though I think that 3rd year would be more likely to be a team option or non-fully guaranteed year). Still, despite the discomfort that the "near done deal" media-type reports brings me, in the end I'll be much more comfortable when the Spurs can counter-punch in a day or two.

[Summers]

In through the nose... out through the mouth... It's going to be a long weekend.

[benefactor]

We're not getting him...just a gut feeling.

[benefactor]

In through the nose... out through the mouth... It's going to be a long weekend.
Nah...I'm taking my daughter to see Ice Age tomorrow. I won't think about it a bit.

[objective]

Because McDyess won't be "dead weight" in a couple of seasons.

I have a lot more faith in McDyess being able to contribute more over a longer time frame. I don't want McDyess for 3 years either, but better him than Wallace.

See, with McDyess, you don't have to make excuses.

With Rasheed, it's EXCUSE-CITY. "Oh, he wasn't declining last year, he was just disinterested on a losing team!" , "Oh, he may have quit on his team in the playoffs repeatedly, but that's just because he wants to win so badly!" , "Oh, he quits on coaches, but that's not his fault. With a real coach he'll get it together!" , "Oh, he just took bad brick 3s because the offense was so discombobulated without Chauncey" , "Oh, he was unable to move his feet on defense like he was 5 years ago because he wasn't motivated enough!" , "Oh, sure he's fat now, but if he was with the Spurs he'd get in shape!"

Everybody goes out of their way to make excuses for the guy. And I haven't even brought up technicals!

McDyess is a no-excuse kind of player. A Professional. He was in the same garbage situations, bad coaches, bad trades, bad match-ups, and he wasn't quitting and letting himself go shape-wise.

[Summers]

Nah...I'm taking my daughter to see Ice Age tomorrow. I won't think about it a bit.

Luckily I have plans to take my boys to a swim party tomorrow; otherwise, I'd be obsessing over it.

[BlackSwordsMan]

[They] definitely gave Rasheed and his wife something to think about."


shopping with eva> eating clam chowder

[Summers]

shopping with eva> eating clam chowder

refried>baked

[z0sa]

Boston's interest in Wallace is believed to be as a backup.

This could be the kicker. I doubt Wallace wants to be a backup and fight for minutes with the rest of the frontcourt in Boston. Here, I'd say his starting job is guaranteed.

[loveforthegame]

We're not getting him...just a gut feeling.

I've got the same feeling.

[kbrury]

Same, but with the way the offseason has gone I just don't know anymore

[barbacoataco]

If he is really friends with Garnett that could make the difference. But if he thinks he'll get more playing time in S.A. that could be the one thing working for us.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Judging 'Sheed's effectiveness going forward, on last year's performance, isn't all that wise.

Detroit was a veteran team that had gone stale, traded their floor-general, and whose front office had mailed in the season.

It was a once proud, championship-caliber team, that knew it was going nowhere. Was it really a surprise that individual and team success wouldn't thrive in such a circumstance?

'Sheed's not what he used to be but he'd be an upgrade over the Horry of 3 years ago, and I don't see how Spurs fans wouldn't welcome him with open arms.

Stop judging 'Sheed as to where he is to his prime, and start looking at the type of role he could play, with the talent he has, on a contender lacking his attributes.

He's a no-brainer if he's willing to come.

You make some good posts, but this is not one of them.

Article 1: Sheed was in a contract year, so YES, it was in his interests to play at his peak. He has declined physically, and that is hurting his effort.

Article 2: How can you say that Sheed is an upgrade over Big Shot of 3 years ago? 4 years ago Horry embarrassed Sheed in the biggest game of the season with everything on the line. Horry was ultra-clutch, Sheed has never proven anything of the sort. Very bad comparison.

I am not utterly opposed to Sheed, I just think Dice is a better fit and has more in the tank. If Sheed comes here for 2 yrs at the MLE, fine, but I'd take Dice first. Apart from a few extra feet of range, and a small edge in post defence, Dice is the better player at this stage in their careers.

[crc21209]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130357

Boston lead owner Wyc Grousbeck, general manager Danny Ainge, head coach Doc Rivers, Garnett, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce all went to Detroit on Thursday to formally present Wallace with an offer for the full mid-level exception. But they left town without Wallace agreeing to a deal. Wallace will visit San Antonio and Orlando next week, according to a source, before making up his mind. Wallace is not likely to visit Cleveland.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/feature...artest.lakers/


Thanks! :toast. So it seems we are going to have to wait till next week for a decision. Well at least he's coming here and didnt just join that Celtics bandwagon the 1st chance he got! :tu :lol

[rjv]

assuming the spurs have wallace as their top guy they can offer three years and a starting role which could be enough to get him here. but that is if they really covet him that much.

[Blackjack]

You make some good posts, but this is not one of them.

Article 1: Sheed was in a contract year, so YES, it was in his interests to play at his peak. He has declined physically, and that is hurting his effort.

Article 2: How can you say that Sheed is an upgrade over Big Shot of 3 years ago? 4 years ago Horry embarrassed Sheed in the biggest game of the season with everything on the line. Horry was ultra-clutch, Sheed has never proven anything of the sort. Very bad comparison.

I am not utterly opposed to Sheed, I just think Dice is a better fit and has more in the tank. If Sheed comes here for 2 yrs at the MLE, fine, but I'd take Dice first. Apart from a few extra feet of range, and a small edge in post defence, Dice is the better player at this stage in their careers.

It's hard to look good in a contract year when your floor-general/point-guard is traded and given up for someone like Iverson who's not only, not a point-guard, but completely kills the chemistry of the team by forcing the teams leading scorer to the bench because of his ego.

Look, Rasheed was an all-world/all-star caliber talent in his prime, but he's never had the mentality of a dominant player. I've made this point before, but he's a complimentary player who can make very good teams great, but not bad teams good.

And yeah, he's a better player than Horry. I'm not sure how you can rationalize a great unexpected overall performance by a role player in a game, to being a better player.

Horry is probably one of my favorite players and definitely one of the smartest players the Spurs have ever had, but he was never the all-around player that 'Sheed is/was. Great versatlie defensive-player in his prime, but not overall player.

Horry's BBIQ was higher than 'Sheed's but the difference in their I.Q.'s is less than the difference in 'Sheed's overall game to Horry's.

And even if you don't think 'Sheed at 35 is better than Horry at 35, you'd be ignorant to say they weren't comparable, and if that's the case, I'd love to see 'Sheed have the chance to play off of players like Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, and Jefferson.

I'm not saying I'd want 'Sheed taking a game-winning shot over Horry, but I'd definitely feel more comfortable with him filling in for Tim on a given night or defending a true big in the post.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Blackjack, I understand your argument, I simply don't agree with you.

Objective sums up Sheed very well - it's always people making excuses for him:


See, with McDyess, you don't have to make excuses.

With Rasheed, it's EXCUSE-CITY. "Oh, he wasn't declining last year, he was just disinterested on a losing team!" , "Oh, he may have quit on his team in the playoffs repeatedly, but that's just because he wants to win so badly!" , "Oh, he quits on coaches, but that's not his fault. With a real coach he'll get it together!" , "Oh, he just took bad brick 3s because the offense was so discombobulated without Chauncey" , "Oh, he was unable to move his feet on defense like he was 5 years ago because he wasn't motivated enough!" , "Oh, sure he's fat now, but if he was with the Spurs he'd get in shape!"

Everybody goes out of their way to make excuses for the guy. And I haven't even brought up technicals!

Sheed is 35, has already declined physically, often makes bad decisions in the clutch, and we're talking about MLE for 3 years? Hmmmm, not if I was GM.


It's hard to look good in a contract year when your floor-general/point-guard is traded and given up for someone like Iverson who's not only, not a point-guard, but completely kills the chemistry of the team by forcing the teams leading scorer to the bench because of his ego.

Look, Rasheed was an all-world/all-star caliber talent in his prime, but he's never had the mentality of a dominant player. I've made this point before, but he's a complimentary player who can make very good teams great, but not bad teams good.

And yeah, he's a better player than Horry. I'm not sure how you can rationalize a great unexpected overall performance by a role player in a game, to being a better player.

Horry is probably one of my favorite players and definitely one of the smartest players the Spurs have ever had, but he was never the all-around player that 'Sheed is/was. Great versatlie defensive-player in his prime, but not overall player.

Horry's BBIQ was higher than 'Sheed's but the difference in their I.Q.'s is less than the difference in 'Sheed's overall game to Horry's.

And even if you don't think 'Sheed at 35 is better than Horry at 35, you'd be ignorant to say they weren't comparable, and if that's the case, I'd love to see 'Sheed have the chance to play off of players like Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, and Jefferson.

I'm not saying I'd want 'Sheed taking a game-winning shot over Horry, but I'd definitely feel more comfortable with him filling in for Tim on a given night or defending a true big in the post.

We are going to be playing high-pressure games against the best there is, and under those circumstances, which are the circumstances that matter, I want Horry every time.

Was Sheed more talented overall? Of course. Has Horry had a better career? By a long way. Why? He's a WINNER. Sheed's got one title sure, but Rob has won everywhere he's played.

I can see Sheed doing something stupid in game 5 of the 2010 finals and losing us the series, and that thought gives me the shivers. I'll take Dice every day, and twice for game 5 of the 2010 finals! :lol

[Blackjack]

Blackjack, I understand your argument, I simply don't agree with you.

Objective sums up Sheed very well - it's always people making excuses for him:



Sheed is 35, has already declined physically, often makes bad decisions in the clutch, and we're talking about MLE for 3 years? Hmmmm, not if I was GM.



We are going to be playing high-pressure games against the best there is, and under those circumstances, which are the circumstances that matter, I want Horry every time.

Was Sheed more talented overall? Of course. Has Horry had a better career? By a long way. Why? He's a WINNER. Sheed's got one title sure, but Rob has won everywhere he's played.

I can see Sheed doing something stupid in game 5 of the 2010 finals and losing us the series, and that thought gives me the shivers. I'll take Dice every day, and twice for game 5 of the 2010 finals! :lol

I hate these kind of arguments, because it makes me feel as if I've got to tear someone down that I'd never have any intention to.

My point isn't to say I think 'Sheed is the be all end all, just for what this team needs, and at this particular "win now" time, you're not going to do any better.

The Horry comparison was one of convenience because of the skillset's they possess, and how it's a proven winner in this system.

Look at it this way..

Take the team from '05. You've got a Manu who played arguably his best ball down the stretch, you've got a dominant (albeit gimpy) Tim, a Parker who again lost it in the finals, and an Horry who had maybe his best year as a Spur.

Now take the could be '09/'10 team.

You've got a Manu one year removed from his best season, who even if healthy has lost a step, but you also have R.J. on the roster who probably makes up for that step. Tim, still dominant but clearly losing a step, is still capable, but 'Sheed not only gives you an Horry-like player, he also helps Tim similarly in the way R.J. helps Manu. And Tony, well, it's night and day the player he is now to then.

My point is, Wallace fits the system and helps to ease the burden on Tim in ways no other free-agent can. 'Dyess, who I would want as a second-option, is not the defender to ease the burden on Tim when it comes to defending legit size, the way 'Sheed is.

And the notion that 'Sheed isn't an intelligent ball player and is someone who's going to cost you time-and-time again in the clutch, I simply disagree with.

Besides, you've got to get to those moments to succeed in those moments, and the way I see it?

'Sheed gives you the best chance, of the options available, to get through the type of bigs that the Spurs are going to have to get through to win a championship.

But in the words of the great Ron Burgundy," Agree to disagree.":hat

[Marcus Bryant]

If he is really friends with Garnett that could make the difference. But if he thinks he'll get more playing time in S.A. that could be the one thing working for us.

I'm friends with a lot of people but I wouldn't want to spend every day of my life for 10 months straight working with some of those motherfuckers.

[objective]

Anything is Plausibllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeee eeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Yeah, agree to disagree. :)

You make a good argument (except for the comparison to Horry - Big Shot's defining characteristic was his clutchness, while Sheed's is not), and I agree that Sheed would be a good Spur, but I'll still take McDyess over him and I think that's the way the FO will go.

My main concern about Sheed is that last year he looked a lot slower, and he's 35 (turning 36) with a lot of miles. Can we afford to have him and Tim on the court together when neither can get out to cover shooters any more? Sure, Sheed is a very good post defender, but does he have the mobility to play in our system beside another mobility-challenged guy in Duncan? I'm not sure he does.

Dice is also turning 36, but a young 36 given that he missed much of the middle of his career with injury. He still looks mobile enough to get to the corner in our defensive scheme, and that's important. On offense, he also has a devastatingly good mid-range game, which compensates for Sheed's extra range (and Sheed has only shot 35% from 3 over his career anyway).

We shall see what happens. The bottom line is that I just hope we get one or the other, or we really are in trouble! :lol

[Blackjack]

Anything is Plausibllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeee eeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!

:lol

[Man In Black]

I can see Sheed doing something that helps the Spurs win Game 5. While his public persona with the refs is documented, what is harder to find is how well respected he is to his teammates.

I recall a game in where him he was defending Tim and they collided heads, HARD. Most people probably think that what happens next is Rasheed lost his cool and berated Tim.
Nope, he checks Tim and asks him if he's okay. Taps fists, and then they go to compete.
That's a guy I want on my team. A rep can work against you, or as Bowen backers know, a team rep can work with you. That's why I feel with little uncertainty, that Rasheed here will be a boon both to him and the Spurs.

[Blackjack]

The bottom line is that I just hope we get one or the other, or we really are in trouble! :lol

And that, is definitely something we can agree on.:tu :lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I can see Sheed doing something that helps the Spurs win Game 5. While his public persona with the refs is documented, what is harder to find is how well respected he is to his teammates.

I recall a game in where him he was defending Tim and they collided heads, HARD. Most people probably think that what happens next is Rasheed lost his cool and berated Tim.
Nope, he checks Tim and asks him if he's okay. Taps fists, and then they go to compete.
That's a guy I want on my team. A rep can work against you, or as Bowen backers know, a team rep can work with you. That's why I feel with little uncertainty, that Rasheed here will be a boon both to him and the Spurs.

I never said he wasn't a good sport, which is what you just described.

But I seem to recall him leaving an open Big Shot Rob, who had already scored 18pts in 16.5minutes to finish the game, open behind the 3pt line in game 5 of the 2005 Finals. We all know what happened next.

Sheed may be a good sport, but he makes some terrible basketball decisions.

[objective]

Yeah, agree to disagree. :)

My main concern about Sheed is that last year he looked a lot slower, and he's 35 (turning 36) with a lot of miles. Can we afford to have him and Tim on the court together when neither can get out to cover shooters any more? Sure, Sheed is a very good post defender, but does he have the mobility to play in our system beside another mobility-challenged guy in Duncan? I'm not sure he does.

Those are my concerns as well.

And looking at his playoff run in 09, short as it was . . .

6.5 pts, 6.25 rebounds, 0.25 blocks in 30.5 minutes a game. Sure, he shot 50% on threes, going 4/8. But he only shot 32% on twos, 7/22.

6 & 6 in 30 minutes per, with a single block in 4 games? If the Spurs sign him, I sure as hell hope it was just him being disgruntled with the way the season went. Because if the wheels have started to fall off, a starting center rocking 6 & 6 with no shotblocking and limited mobility who will only get worse is worrisome.

Sure, the games weren't really close, so maybe that's another excuse for Rasheed.

But McDyess in the same unfortunate situation being outmatched by a much better team played 34 minutes a game with 13 pts, 8.5 rebounds, 0.75 blocks and shot 52%.

[timvp]

Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, and Paul Pierce joined president of basketball operations Danny Ainge and managing partner Wyc Grousbeck for a three-hour meeting with Wallace in Detroit yesterday, the Celtics offering a contract using their midlevel exception. But Wallace is apparently in no hurry to respond, preferring to weigh approaches from Charlotte, Cleveland, Orlando, and San Antonio, according to an NBA source.

Bill Strickland, Wallace’s agent, said in a text message that it was a “very good meeting; some contractual terms discussed, nothing agreed to.’’

Strickland added Wallace will be “meeting with a few more teams next week.’’


http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/07/03/celtics_offer_wallace_a_contract/

[timvp]

Though Wallace is fielding these pitches relatively early in the free agency process, teams have been warned that he may take some time before making a decision.

“I get the feeling that this is going to take some time,” said one of the sources. “People who make commitments this early sometimes make mistakes.”

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/20090703cs_press_for_rasheed_wallace_big_3_woo_fre e_agent/srvc=home&position=also

[NewJerSpur]

Makes me wonder even more what move the Spurs are looking at under the radar. If things drag out with Sheed, by the time he signs with a team the Spurs may simply be looking for cheap depth after making their initial big signing.

[ace3g]

I'm hoping his meeting with the Spurs is the final meeting he has, so that he has time to examine each offer, I would be disappointed if he visited us early on, and then days later signed with another team. Hopefully these rumors are true that he will meet with all teams interested before making a decision.

[lurker23]

You have to wonder what these sources consider "early" and "late." There are guys who commit on July 1st and 2nd, as we've seen; those are certainly early. But what's late? July 7th? July 14th? I really don't care if he takes until the 7th or 8th to decide, that's his right, and nothing becomes official before then anyway.

[Obstructed_View]

“I get the feeling that this is going to take some time,” said one of the sources. “People who make commitments this early sometimes make mistakes.”

This, in my opinion, is the reason he won't be a Spur. If I'm the Spurs, my offer to him ends the same time the meeting with him does. I know it does his ego good to be talked about on PTI and Mike and Mike, but he might as well be restricted if he's going to keep teams hanging out in the wind for a week.

[Leftyventricle]

check out rasheed @ 0:26
nda_OSWeyn8

[Blackjack]

I was too lazy to respond last night but after going back and seeing this again, I felt I had to revisit this...:hat


Yeah, agree to disagree. :)

You make a good argument (except for the comparison to Horry - Big Shot's defining characteristic was his clutchness, while Sheed's is not)

Never did I make a comparison to Horry and 'Sheed's clutchness, so I guess I just made a good argument.:tu


My main concern about Sheed is that last year he looked a lot slower, and he's 35 (turning 36) with a lot of miles. Can we afford to have him and Tim on the court together when neither can get out to cover shooters any more? Sure, Sheed is a very good post defender, but does he have the mobility to play in our system beside another mobility-challenged guy in Duncan? I'm not sure he does.

I'd say Tim and Wallace would be a more mobile combo than: Tim/Rasho, Tim/Nazr, and pretty similar to Tim/Horry of Spurs days. I'd also submit that guys like Blair, Mahinmi, and Gist bring the possibility of a versatility on the front line, that we haven't seen in a long time.

If the Spurs are playing a team like the Lakers, (or just about every other title-contender, for that matter) there's absolutely no problem with a Tim/'Sheed tandem.


Dice is also turning 36, but a young 36 given that he missed much of the middle of his career with injury. He still looks mobile enough to get to the corner in our defensive scheme, and that's important. On offense, he also has a devastatingly good mid-range game, which compensates for Sheed's extra range (and Sheed has only shot 35% from 3 over his career anyway).

'Dyess might have a little more spring in his step but fact of the matter is, he's really never been that great of a defender.

He's not bad or anything, he's just not much of a disrupter. And despite some of the listed measurements I've seen posted on this site, he either plays much smaller than he is against size in the post, or he's just undersized in the post. Either way, it's less than ideal.

As for 'Dyess' mid-range game being the equivalent to Sheed's 3-point range, I'm going to have to disagree.

Spacing is spacing, and if you've got a dominant post-player with your next 3 best players all being essentially slashers, having the Horry-like 4 makes a big difference in keeping the lane open to maximize your half-court efficiency.

'Sheed's 3-point range has to be honored and respected, and teams know that. Plus, you've got to take into consideration that Tim, going forward, will not be living in the post; Pop's efforting to keep Timmy fresh and healthy by limiting the pounding he receives throughout the season.

It's not inconceivable that Tim could be playing in a lot of similar areas that 'Dyess would be more comfortable, and in such times a guy like 'Sheed is more capable of going down to the post to play a somewhat interchangeable role with Tim. (Not something I'd expect to see frequently from 'Sheed, but a wrinkle nonetheless)

Like I've said before, 'Dyess isn't a terrible second-option but, to me, there is a significant fall-off from 'Sheed, at least in terms of what this team needs, at this moment in time.

[Spursfan092120]

check out rasheed @ 0:26
nda_OSWeyn8
That has GOT to be fake...lol

[z0sa]

My main concern about Sheed is that last year he looked a lot slower, and he's 35 (turning 36) with a lot of miles.

Sheed is 34, turning 35 first off. He was born September 17, 1974. Yes, it makes a difference. :) (Horry at almost 34 looked done against LA; Horry at almost 35 was adding to his resume)

Second, the fact he has "a lot" of miles works both ways. All that experience could be really good down the stretch. Additionally, Pop is obviously great at micromanaging minutes. If we keep Bonner, we can always be stretching the floor and he could spell Sheed well IMO. I expect TP and RJ to carry a lot of the weight during the season, to keep Manu and Tim fresh. With a guy like Sheed, that's someone else who can contribute to the scoring and not be expected to do a whole lot except play great defense and shoot open shots.

It's just such a different situation than Detroit, different players, different chemistry will be developed, different mindsets completely.

The win-now attitude the FO seems to possess lends me to believe they are going to offer Wallace 3yrs @ the MLE and a starting position to secure his services (if he doesn't retire...?) and just sit back. That's all they need to do. No other team can promise him the unique mix of minutes+starting position, almost guaranteed chemistry, and green light to hoist 3 after 3 without fear of retribution pretty much.

[TheSpursFNRule]

Rasheed was SO slow last year. That is what makes me wonder.....

[urunobili]

Manu choose Rasheed as his top choice if he could choose the Free Agency Big :smokin

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=98647499525&ref=nf

he was asked to choose in between Sheed and Dice...

He said that he hates to play against him but it'd be super fun to have him as a team mate :)

[timvp]

Manu choose Rasheed as his top choice if he could choose the Free Agency Big :smokin

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=98647499525&ref=nf

he was asked to choose in between Sheed and Dice...

He said that he hates to play against him but it'd be super fun to have him as a team mate :)

Good find :tu

I'm assuming this is the section:


Se menciona la llegada de un C FA, puede ser Sheed o Mc Dyess, entre otros, con ello TD tendría verdadera ayuda bajo los tableros y podría llegar entero a los playoffs. Si tuvieses que elegir: ¿Sheed, Mc Dyess, Birdman, Powe, Gortat?
A Rasheed. Porque de rival no lo aguanto, pero de compañero sería muy divertido. Cualquier vendría bien, necesitamos algún grande y creo que todos son buenos nombres.

So both TP and Manu say they want Sheed on the same day?

Nice :stirpot:

[urunobili]

I'm assuming this is the section:

Right on the money :) It's kinda long and banal to translate it all... he was asked about Bruce too...

I have bad news for you timvp.... he said he doesn't think that Bruce is coming back to SA... and also that Fab is a very long shot...

[Libri]

So both TP and Manu say they want Sheed on the same day?

Nice :stirpot:

And now Ian has said Sheed.

[DBMethos]

3 of them have said it? We got this shit wrapped up. :hat

[lefty]

3 of them have said it? We got this shit wrapped up. :hat
Wait a second


Duncan just said he doesn't want Sheed :hat

[z0sa]

Man I love this team. Wgaf when Gay Allen shows up when you got manu, tp and td wanting you (TD no doubt gave sheed a nice call or text at least)

[lebomb]

A 50% Sheed is better than a 100% Rasho, Bonner, or Fabricio any day. Besides I think Sheed is still about 70% as a player. :hat

[NewJerSpur]

Guess it'll come down to the Spurs and Bobcats. There's no room for a team with both KG AND WAllace....too combustible. The all-nutty team who won't have two guys together at the same time:

Wallace
Artest
KG
K-Mart

Just missing a guy who can play point....

[exstatic]

guess it'll come down to the spurs and bobcats. There's no room for a team with both kg and wallace....too combustible. The all-nutty team who won't have two guys together at the same time:

Wallace
artest
kg
k-mart

just missing a guy who can play point....

Iverson

[callo1]

Guess it'll come down to the Spurs and Bobcats. There's no room for a team with both KG AND WAllace....too combustible. The all-nutty team who won't have two guys together at the same time:

Wallace
Artest
KG
K-Mart

Just missing a guy who can play point....

Maybe Rod Strickland would come out of retirement to lead them:)

there is always Starbury:)

[NewJerSpur]

Iverson

I thought about him, but he doesn't quite have the "In Your Face Attitude" on the court....off the court is a different story.

[NewJerSpur]

Maybe Rod Strickland would come out of retirement to lead them:)

there is always Starbury:)

Rod and Stephon don't have that "Screw Loose" edge that you look for....maybe Nate from the Knicks, but he's more clownish than tough.

[callo1]

I never said he wasn't a good sport, which is what you just described.

But I seem to recall him leaving an open Big Shot Rob, who had already scored 18pts in 16.5minutes to finish the game, open behind the 3pt line in game 5 of the 2005 Finals. We all know what happened next.

Sheed may be a good sport, but he makes some terrible basketball decisions.

Didn't Timmy leave that same big shot Rob open in '03 under very similar circumstances? Only difference was, the ball rimmed out.

Any player who has ever played has some of those mistakes on their record...no matter how good they are.

[Spursfan092120]

For what its worth, Rick Kamla of NBA TV was interviewed on Fox Radio (Sean Farnahm)SP? show. He said that David Aldridge (who has good info on Wallace) believes that Wallace wants Orlando and Orlando wants Wallace.

I guess we gave to wait and see. Kamla also went on to mention that he feels the Spurs are already SOLID contenders to win the title and that they really don't need Sheed. He thinks Orlando is still the best in East, especially after getting VC.
Kamla is an idiot. How are the Spurs SOLID contenders when, besides Timmy, their frontcourt consists of Blair, an unproven Rookie with no ACLs, Bonner (need I say more), Ian Mahinmi (unproven), and Drew, who is a free agent. They need help. And Rasheed's agent also said "Boston wants Wallace and Wallace wants Boston." He's saying that everywhere. Rasheed wanted to be traded to SA last year, to play next to Tim, who is good friends with him. I believe IMHO that Rasheed's agent is just throwing things out there to convince SA to throw in a 3rd year on the MLE, and that would be enough for him to sign on the dotted line.

[Chillen]

At least if Boston wins the Sheed sweepstakes he will be in the Eastern Conference and not on the Los Angeles Lakers. So if the Spurs don't win the Sheed sweepstakes, that might be a way to see it. I hope the Spurs can sign him, he is needed on this team.

[EricB]

Rick kamla is a retard.

[Libri]

Maybe Rod Strickland would come out of retirement to lead them:)

there is always Starbury:)

Starbury is not coming back to the Celtics. He was disappointed that Boston offered him the veterans minimum, $1.3 million.

The Celtics have asked about Tyronn Lue.

[NewJerSpur]

Starbury is not coming back to the Celtics. He was disappointed that Boston offered him the veterans minimum, $1.3 million.

The Celtics have asked about Tyronn Lue.

He/She was talking about my post regarding the "All-Nutty" team I believe.

[SA210]

Right on the money :) It's kinda long and banal to translate it all... he was asked about Bruce too...

I have bad news for you timvp.... he said he doesn't think that Bruce is coming back to SA... and also that Fab is a very long shot...


:pop::pctoss

[Libri]

He/She was talking about my post regarding the "All-Nutty" team I believe.

oops

For the All-Nutty team, Starbury would be a very good candidate. :lol

[lefty]

:pop::pctoss
Don't worry

CIA Pop :hat

[Blackjack]

Rod and Stephon don't have that "Screw Loose" edge that you look for....maybe Nate from the Knicks, but he's more clownish than tough.

I'd take Nate in a fight with K.G. 8 days a week.

Nate's no joke.

Plus, K.G.'s nothing but a 7' chihuahua.

He's crafted a persona over the years that's served him quite well but in reality, he's an insecure, soft player, whose resorted to frontin' as a way to avoid being called on it.

Before Boston he was looked at as humorous, for the most part, because his talking was usually reserved for talking himself up. (telling himself how great he was) Hell, this guy got punked by Anthony freakin' Peeler after K.G. went a little overboard with his antics. The move to Boston has just turned him into the typical punk-ass bully that looks for the weakest guy in the room.(i.e. 6' point-guards)

I'd absolutely love to see K.G. talk the way he does to someone like Nate outside of the comfort-zone of an NBA court.:lol

[HAITAO]

http://www.csnne.com/wickedgoodsports/wallace-agent-tells-tanguay-rasheed-would-be-great-fit-with-big-3/

[Tully365]

:lol The minute Rasheed signs with Boston there'll be a dozen new threads about his low FG%, his excessive technicals, his terrible playoff performance this season, and and how much his D has slipped!

[Spursfan092120]

http://www.csnne.com/wickedgoodsports/wallace-agent-tells-tanguay-rasheed-would-be-great-fit-with-big-3/
This same article has been on several websites..it came out the day before Rasheed met with Boston.

[siraulo23]

:lol The minute Rasheed signs with Boston there'll be a dozen new threads about his low FG%, his excessive technicals, his terrible playoff performance this season, and and how much his D has slipped!

+1 :toast

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Guess it'll come down to the Spurs and Bobcats. There's no room for a team with both KG AND WAllace....too combustible. The all-nutty team who won't have two guys together at the same time:

Wallace
Artest
KG
K-Mart

Just missing a guy who can play point....

Jamaal Tinsley is your man!

For the record, my predictions:
Sheed to Boston
Dice to SA
Varejao stays put
Bass to Orlando (who overpay for him, of course)
Gortat to Dallas is a done deal.

[TimDunkem]

I'd take Nate in a fight with K.G. 8 days a week.
Nate's no joke.


I'd absolutely love to see K.G. talk the way he does to someone like Nate outside of the comfort-zone of an NBA court.:lol
:lol I too would love to see Nate leap three feet in the air and hit KG in his ugly mug.

[rascal]

Kamla is an idiot. How are the Spurs SOLID contenders when, besides Timmy, their frontcourt consists of Blair, an unproven Rookie with no ACLs, Bonner (need I say more), Ian Mahinmi (unproven), and Drew, who is a free agent. They need help. And Rasheed's agent also said "Boston wants Wallace and Wallace wants Boston." He's saying that everywhere. Rasheed wanted to be traded to SA last year, to play next to Tim, who is good friends with him. I believe IMHO that Rasheed's agent is just throwing things out there to convince SA to throw in a 3rd year on the MLE, and that would be enough for him to sign on the dotted line.

I'd say the spurs are the longshot to get Wallace. Orlando then Boston then San Antonio.

[Pucho!!!]

Pucho's predictions:
Sheed to SA
Dice to Boston
Varejao stays put
Bass to NO
Gortat to Dallas is a done deal.

Doesn't that make more sense for all teams. Spurs get a 3 pt shooting starting bigman that can stretch the floor and the Celts get a backup bigman who can do everything they want Sheed to do.

[Spurs Brazil]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60339/20090704/charlotte_hasnt_contacted_iverson_wallace/

Charlotte Hasn't Contacted Iverson, Wallace


Jul 04, 2009 9:17 PM EST
Bobcats general manager Rod Higgins says that he has not contacted the agents for Allen Iverson or Rasheed Wallace.

Iverson and Wallace, who both thrived under coach Larry Brown in the past, are unrestricted free agents.

Higgins also said that the team chose not to pick up point guard Sean Singletary's $736,000 option for next season.

[Spursfan092120]

I'd say the spurs are the longshot to get Wallace. Orlando then Boston then San Antonio.
pretty sure this is a two horse race...He's going to Orlando..but he ain't stayin there...IMO

[Spursfan092120]

SvAHMvlm9eY

Bring this to SA, Sheed..

[timvp]

I still haven't seen anything to move Rasheed off of number one on my wish list. He's coming off a pretty bad season but not as bad as Horry in 2003. Horry looked like he was done, Lakers fan wanted him gone, a segment of Spurs fans didn't want him and league "experts" said the Spurs overpaid.

Wallace just fits the Horry role too well to not make him the number one option. Pop will use him down the stretch of big games and Wallace at worst will help more than Horry ever did during the regular season. Wallace's main negative traits -- too perimeter oriented, too much three-point shooting, questionable character, etc. -- aren't that much of a worry with the Spurs.

He's not perfect but Sheed makes a lot of sense. It sounds like Manu and TP agree, which is a good sign.

Get Sheed.

[picnroll]

Sheed will go a long way toward allowing Duncan to cut back on minutes, maybe even alternate on a lot of back to backs. Come playoff time he won't be hobbled like he was this year.

[lefty]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/page2/49944252.html
Hold the parade
Spurs fans excited about adding Richard Jefferson and DeJuan Blair had some wind knocked out of them Thursday when the Lakers and Rockets essentially traded free agents Ron Artest and Trevor Ariza.
If the selfless Artest who led the Rockets to a near-upset of the Lakers shows up in L.A., then I’m not even sure adding Rasheed Wallace makes the Spurs capable of dethroning a healthy defending champion.
But if the selfish Artest who pouted in Sacramento and charged the stands with Indiana rears his head in L.A., then the move may not be so bad for the Spurs or the rest of the West.

[NewJerSpur]

I'd take Nate in a fight with K.G. 8 days a week.

Nate's no joke.

Plus, K.G.'s nothing but a 7' chihuahua.

He's crafted a persona over the years that's served him quite well but in reality, he's an insecure, soft player, whose resorted to frontin' as a way to avoid being called on it.

Before Boston he was looked at as humorous, for the most part, because his talking was usually reserved for talking himself up. (telling himself how great he was) Hell, this guy got punked by Anthony freakin' Peeler after K.G. went a little overboard with his antics. The move to Boston has just turned him into the typical punk-ass bully that looks for the weakest guy in the room.(i.e. 6' point-guards)

I'd absolutely love to see K.G. talk the way he does to someone like Nate outside of the comfort-zone of an NBA court.:lol

Well done Blackjack. KG like to run his mouth more so than him being off-the-wall crazy like the others can be, especially K-Mart. Though he can attempt to look crazy, he's more demonstrative in his actions than truly nutty.

Also agree with RuffnReadyOzStyle that Tinsley's running point. He's not scared to mix it up at any time.

As for the main topic, with the way things are developing, Sheed may be the only logical choice at this point with Gortat going off the market. I think you could have made an argument for either of them, so with one almost certainly gone I think you have to go the other. Just not sold on Dice's defense at the rim which may be that much more important if we don't strengthen the perimeter defense to keep slashers at bay.

[Blackjack]

I still haven't seen anything to move Rasheed off of number one on my wish list. He's coming off a pretty bad season but not as bad as Horry in 2003. Horry looked like he was done, Lakers fan wanted him gone, a segment of Spurs fans didn't want him and league "experts" said the Spurs overpaid.

Wallace just fits the Horry role too well to not make him the number one option. Pop will use him down the stretch of big games and Wallace at worst will help more than Horry ever did during the regular season. Wallace's main negative traits -- too perimeter oriented, too much three-point shooting, questionable character, etc. -- aren't that much of a worry with the Spurs.

He's not perfect but Sheed makes a lot of sense. It sounds like Manu and TP agree, which is a good sign.

Get Sheed.

I wouldn't say questionable character, maybe emotionally unpredictable (or nut-job if I didn't like him.;)), but that's pretty much the same kind of rationale I've bee spewing.

He fills the Horry role offensively, he's capable of playing an interchangeable role with Tim on the block, occasionally, and he takes pressure off of Tim defensively in the post.

He may be a little volatile and unpredictable, but he's an unselfish player who knows how to play the game and is perfectly happy playing a complimentary-role.

Bring on Roscoe! :hungry:

[objective]

Horry was signed to split minutes off the bench with 6th man of the year candidate Malik Rose and proven big man bruiser Kevin Willis.

Big difference compared to Wallace who the Spurs will be signing to be starting big with probably at least 30 minutes a game.

[Chillen]

If the selfless Artest who led the Rockets to a near-upset of the Lakers shows up in L.A., then I’m not even sure adding Rasheed Wallace makes the Spurs capable of dethroning a healthy defending champion.
But if the selfish Artest who pouted in Sacramento and charged the stands with Indiana rears his head in L.A., then the move may not be so bad for the Spurs or the rest of the West.

If the Artest from Sacramento and Indiana shows up in LA, if he does one crazy thing that would embarrass that organization and Mitch, expect a buyout of his contract. Artest doesn't need to go apeshit for him to mess with the Lakers chemistry, if he takes shots away from Kobe or trys to do things his way that alone could be problematic. For LA this is a move similar to what the Bulls did by trading for Rodman, Artest proved himself in Houston, but LA will not put up with his antics if he brings any of his old baggage back into the fray.

[NewJerSpur]

I'm also assuming Ron Ron won't take kindly to being yelled at by another grown man who is simultaneously grabbing the back of his skull and pushing his head towards your crotch....just a guess. The only other guy that can talk to him is Fish because of his veteran presence; not exactly Jordan and Pippen.

[timvp]

The Celtics came in with an immediate and strong recruiting pitch to Wallace, sending Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, and Pierce to his suburban Detroit home for a three-hour meeting last Thursday. Wallace will meet with other teams this week, likely Orlando and San Antonio, which could offer him a starting position. Charlotte is also interested in Wallace, who owns a home in North Carolina, but the Bobcats are considered a long shot since they are unlikely to be championship contenders.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/07/05/summer_jobs_for_bench_riders/?page=2

[NewJerSpur]

Orlando is a mess. Should come down to SA and Charlotte.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Orlando is a mess. Should come down to SA and Charlotte.

I like our odds if it is down to those two teams.:lol

[NewJerSpur]

I like our odds if it is down to those two teams.:lol

Off topic: How can you call yourself Kindergarten Cop and have NO pics from Kindergarten Cop [The Movie] in your avatar? Blasphemous!! :p:

Just a gut feeling even though it's no lock he comes to SA, though I think it's more probable than Boston. Just would like to still be able to keep Gortat as an option.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Off topic: How can you call yourself Kindergarten Cop and have NO pics from Kindergarten Cop [The Movie] in your avatar? Blasphemous!! :p:

I'll work on getting a cool pic. :king


Just a gut feeling even though it's no lock he comes to SA, though I think it's more probable than Boston. Just would like to still be able to keep Gortat as an option.

I think that it is a two horse race between San Antonio and Boston - with ZERO chance of him going to Charlotte. I stated that I'd like our chances if it was down to the Spurs and the Bobcats. :wow

[NewJerSpur]

I'll work on getting a cool pic. :king

:tu



I think that it is a two horse race between San Antonio and Boston - with ZERO chance of him going to Charlotte. I stated that I'd like our chances if it was down to the Spurs and the Bobcats. :wow

Bobcats aren't a contender but he instantly makes them a playoff team in the East. The only coach he's ever won with coaches them (not to mention all of the Tar Heels ties to the team) and he's got land down there.

He could've seen the visit the Celts paid to him as flattering or intrusive, depending on his mood at the time....Sheed's a funny guy. He may not be a fan of the strong personalities on the team and may prefer a organization with a quiter approach to leadership, primarily funnelled through the coach...the 3rd year on the contract might help as well even though it would be a hell of a risk.

[Chillen]

I'll work on getting a cool pic. :king


here you go:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4997/kindergardencop16.jpg

[NewJerSpur]

here you go:
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/4997/kindergardencop16.jpg

:lol

[DPG21920]

I still haven't seen anything to move Rasheed off of number one on my wish list. He's coming off a pretty bad season but not as bad as Horry in 2003. Horry looked like he was done, Lakers fan wanted him gone, a segment of Spurs fans didn't want him and league "experts" said the Spurs overpaid.

Wallace just fits the Horry role too well to not make him the number one option. Pop will use him down the stretch of big games and Wallace at worst will help more than Horry ever did during the regular season. Wallace's main negative traits -- too perimeter oriented, too much three-point shooting, questionable character, etc. -- aren't that much of a worry with the Spurs.

He's not perfect but Sheed makes a lot of sense. It sounds like Manu and TP agree, which is a good sign.

Get Sheed.

I agree. I think that the Spurs if they want to win this year must get a player that can bring what Sheed does. If not Sheed they must trade. The other FA's available are good, but I do not feel they realistically put the Spurs over the top.

I am hoping the Spurs are still willing to use the full MLE and for 3 years. We will see, but my old scenario is playing out nicely if they do:


This is what I want to happen, but it depends on three things: Will the Spurs scrap the 2010 plan, open up their wallets and go into win now mode in order to maximize Tim's years here?

If they are willing to do all of those things here is what they need to do in my opinion:

1) Really Target Team Needs: What does this team need? A true center that can help Tim patrol the paint along with rebound at a high rate. More than ever it has become evident that Tim can no longer do it on his own. It will go along way to improving the Spurs defense along with giving Tim some rest on that end.

Go for athletic wings that can do this combonation: Defend with some size and speed, hit the 3 efficiently or score efficiently. I would say lean to the scoring. Not all the way, but do not think you can find the Bowen replacement today. If you can get someone who is a solid defender and a better scorer, than it will go a long way to improving the line up.

How do you do this?

1) Buy into the Buyers Market: If people are willing to part with elite talent in order to increase cap space and shed salary, then the Spurs need to buy now. Especially if it is a player that fits a situational and positional need.

This especially makes sense if the player is relatively young and would be just as good as who the Spurs could expect to get in 2010 with the anticipated cap space. The NBA has shown that this is a distinct possibility, and the Spurs need to be ready to pounce. Spurs have 3 guys in Oberto/Mason/Bowen whom they can trade (because they expire in 2010) that will allow for the Spurs to trade for someone who makes 15 million dollars. That can buy you a nice player.

This becomes double effective if you can do so without trading Ginobili. Obviously, out of the big 3, Manu is the most likely to be traded. If you can use some kind of combo of players like I mentioned to get talent, without giving up Gino it would be a major bonus.

3) Use all of the MLE if the Right Player Comes Along: The spurs need to look for forwards and centers. If the Spurs can fulfill one need by trading, they need to use the MLE to target the other needs.

Do not just waste money, but if you have an opportunity to sign someone for a bargain (meaning somewhat of a good player who cannot really command more than the full MLE a la Maggette) then they need to do it.

With the combination of trades and the MLE, the Spurs have some options if they are willing to open up the checkbook. Will they? Probably not to the degree that I outlined, but I hope they try and win now, and worry about the future down the road when we do not have Duncan to appreciate any more.

[DAF86]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/page2/49944252.html
Hold the parade
Spurs fans excited about adding Richard Jefferson and DeJuan Blair had some wind knocked out of them Thursday when the Lakers and Rockets essentially traded free agents Ron Artest and Trevor Ariza.
If the selfless Artest who led the Rockets to a near-upset of the Lakers shows up in L.A., then I’m not even sure adding Rasheed Wallace makes the Spurs capable of dethroning a healthy defending champion.
But if the selfish Artest who pouted in Sacramento and charged the stands with Indiana rears his head in L.A., then the move may not be so bad for the Spurs or the rest of the West.

When did that heppen?

[mogrovejo]

I still haven't seen anything to move Rasheed off of number one on my wish list. He's coming off a pretty bad season but not as bad as Horry in 2003. Horry looked like he was done, Lakers fan wanted him gone, a segment of Spurs fans didn't want him and league "experts" said the Spurs overpaid.

Wallace just fits the Horry role too well to not make him the number one option. Pop will use him down the stretch of big games and Wallace at worst will help more than Horry ever did during the regular season. Wallace's main negative traits -- too perimeter oriented, too much three-point shooting, questionable character, etc. -- aren't that much of a worry with the Spurs.

He's not perfect but Sheed makes a lot of sense. It sounds like Manu and TP agree, which is a good sign.

Get Sheed.

You should be worried by his defence. He can still get it going inside, because he's smart and experienced, but he was killed by the pick'n'roll and when pulled outside or away of his man all season along. He simply doesn't have the legs to recover any more.

I think McDyess is now a better player than Sheed in terms of rebounding and defence by a solid margin; and a more efficient scorer.

I'm praying that the Spurs get Sheed and the Celtics get Dice.

[Russ]

SA would seem the perfect compromise destination for Wallace.

SA has the weather of Orlando with the championship mentality of Boston. Neither Orlando nor Boston can match that.

The only question is whether Sheed is the right thing for the Spurs?

[Marcus Bryant]

Wallace gets far too much credit for his defensive abilities vis a vis McDyess. Wallace is a slightly better shotblocker, though certainly not all-world. While, yes, there are similarities to Horry in that both can step back and hit 3s, Wallace is not in Horry's class for clutch shooting and smart play (of course, very few are, if ever).

Spurs fans are letting those similarities in capability and style cloud their opinions. It wasn't too long ago that Spurs fans loved to mock Wallace. McDyess would fit the program well and with much less on-court drama. He'd lock up that starting bigman role and get the job done. You don't need a 3 point shooting bigman to play alongside TD. And the more you move your that big away from the glass the more the Spurs will continue to struggle on the offensive glass. If Nellie was the Spurs' head coach I could understand the fixation on Wallace's shooting range.

Plus it continues to amuse me that Spurs fans knock other free agents as knuckleheads and malcontents while praising Wallace. Sure, the interest is born of necessity as he would definitely be an upgrade over what they have, but between Wallace and McDyess it's McDyess.

[Spursfan092120]

When did that heppen?
Exactly..he was so selfless he got himself thrown out of the game when they were right there hanging with them...what a retarded article.

[Blackjack]

Wallace gets far too much credit for his defensive abilities vis a vis McDyess. Wallace is a slightly better shotblocker, though certainly not all-world. While, yes, there are similarities to Horry in that both can step back and hit 3s, Wallace is not in Horry's class for clutch shooting and smart play (of course, very few are, if ever).

Wallace is a significantly better post-defender, who also better matches up with the bigger front lines in this league. Unlike 'Dyess, Wallace can effectively defend (and even somewhat neutralize) the likes of a Gasol or Bynum, while also pulling them out to the 3-point line offensively. A great asset to lessen the Load on Tim defensively while also removing a shot-blocker from the equation at the cup for the slashers.

The Horry comparisons are that of a physical skill set and how he's suited to fill a proven role, for a Spurs team. Nothing more.


Spurs fans are letting those similarities in capability and style cloud their opinions. It wasn't too long ago that Spurs fans loved to mock Wallace. McDyess would fit the program well and with much less on-court drama. He'd lock up that starting bigman role and get the job done. You don't need a 3 point shooting bigman to play alongside TD. And the more you move your that big away from the glass the more the Spurs will continue to struggle on the offensive glass. If Nellie was the Spurs' head coach I could understand the fixation on Wallace's shooting range.

'Dyess brings less on-court drama, yes, but he's also a guy that's preferred to come off the bench the last couple of years. He's also a guy who could be a bomba tiempo, injury-wise.

And yes, the Spurs don't have-to-have/need their 4 to be able to shoot 3's, but it's a known/proven role that actually has a feasible suitor to fill.

The offensive-rebounding numbers will always be a little skewed because of Pop's philosophy, but 'Sheed is a much more consistent rebounder than Horry ever was, and yet, somehow they managed. Plus, 'Sheed at the 3-point line also means his defender is there as well.

'Sheed, on average, is going to shoot his .35% from the three and put more fear in the heart of his opponent during the course of a game, because of the worry that he could take over a game if he gets on track. No, he's not, nor will he ever be, in the class of Horry for clutch (few if any are) but he's a better (more talented) overall player equipped with a post-game, post-defense, and rebounding Horry didn't possess from 35 and on.


Plus it continues to amuse me that Spurs fans knock other free agents as knuckleheads and malcontents while praising Wallace. Sure, the interest is born of necessity as he would definitely be an upgrade over what they have, but between Wallace and McDyess it's McDyess.

I've always been a fan of 'Sheed and have never minded eccentric and/or emotional players, as long as I felt they were well-intentioned and genuine.(Which I feel 'Sheed is, and I'm sure his teammates would confirm)

Roscoe's a nut, but as a fit, and especially considering the need and what's available, if it's Wallace or McDyess?

It's Wallace..

[Tully365]

Wallace gets far too much credit for his defensive abilities vis a vis McDyess. Wallace is a slightly better shotblocker, though certainly not all-world. While, yes, there are similarities to Horry in that both can step back and hit 3s, Wallace is not in Horry's class for clutch shooting and smart play (of course, very few are, if ever).

Spurs fans are letting those similarities in capability and style cloud their opinions. It wasn't too long ago that Spurs fans loved to mock Wallace. McDyess would fit the program well and with much less on-court drama. He'd lock up that starting bigman role and get the job done. You don't need a 3 point shooting bigman to play alongside TD. And the more you move your that big away from the glass the more the Spurs will continue to struggle on the offensive glass. If Nellie was the Spurs' head coach I could understand the fixation on Wallace's shooting range.

Plus it continues to amuse me that Spurs fans knock other free agents as knuckleheads and malcontents while praising Wallace. Sure, the interest is born of necessity as he would definitely be an upgrade over what they have, but between Wallace and McDyess it's McDyess.

+1. There is a level of pro-Rasheed hysteria now that is just way out of proportion... I prefer McDyess too.

Rasheed's offensive rebounds per game numbers are worse than Bonner's, and that's with an extra 9 mpg. Half his shots are three pointers, his FG% is horrendously low for a big, and the last time anyone saw him play was when he quit in the playoffs against Lebron and the Cavs. So for those out there who say Bynum sucks, Gasol is soft, and Odom is a space-case, I think the selling of Wallace as a savior needs to be examined a little more closely.

[Blackjack]

+1. There is a level of pro-Rasheed hysteria now that is just way out of proportion... I prefer McDyess too.

Rasheed's offensive rebounds per game numbers are worse than Bonner's, and that's with an extra 9 mpg. Half his shots are three pointers, his FG% is horrendously low for a big, and the last time anyone saw him play was when he quit in the playoffs against Lebron and the Cavs. So for those out there who say Bynum sucks, Gasol is soft, and Odom is a space-case, I think the selling of Wallace as a savior needs to be examined a little more closely.

I'm curious to know, is rational opinion based on how a player would fit/compliment a team qualify as "hysteria?"

I don't agree with 'Dyess being the better fit or that 'Sheed is done because of a turmoil-filled season in Detroit, but I'm not calling those people that do hysterical.

Maybe you weren't referring to people like myself, I'd hope not, but you're almost just starting to sound like a 'Sheed hater, rather than someone with an opposing viewpoint.

[Blackjack]

His three-point shooting has been frowned upon in Detroit for the last few years because they've needed him to be a post presence. In San Antonio, that three-point shooting will come in handy. With Duncan, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker and Richard Jefferson all most effective near the rim, the fifth player on the court needs to be a able to shoot to keep teams from packing the lane.

In four consecutive seasons, Wallace has shot between 35.1% and 35.7% from beyond the three-point arc, so it's safe to expect a similar number. On the Spurs, I'd expect at least half of his field goal attempts to be from downtown. Considering that his three-point percentage is equal to a two-point percentage of approximately 53%, I have no problem with him shooting as many threes as he wishes. He could give the Spurs a few low post looks each game but his main value will be his outside shooting.

Wallace's knock offensively over the years has been a lack of assertion. He just has never prospered in a go-to role. On the Spurs, that shouldn't be a factor. His overly unselfish offensive play is actually preferred due to the other options available. I can picture him flourishing in a fourth or fifth offensive option role. Add in his ridiculously low turnover rate and his offensive game should fit like a glove with the Spurs' talent.

Well said, timvp.:smokin

[Tully365]

I'm curious to know, is rational opinion based on how a player would fit/compliment a team qualify as "hysteria?"

I don't agree with 'Dyess being the better fit or that 'Sheed is done because of a turmoil-filled season in Detroit, but I'm not calling those people that do hysterical.

Maybe you weren't referring to people like myself, I'd hope not, but you're almost just starting to sound like a 'Sheed hater, rather than someone with an opposing viewpoint.

:lol I wasn't referring to you at all... sorry if it sounded like that.

The thing I'm at odds with is some simple objectivity. When Artest signs with LA, he is dismissed by some as a chucker with behavioral issues whose defense is not what it once was, but Rasheed has the exact same issues, and is given a free pass. When Finley exercises his option, he is crucified by many posters as, among other things, an unreliable shooter... but Rasheed, with a lower FG% as a center, is given a free pass. Bonner is criticized for sucking in the playoffs, but Rasheed sucked in the playoffs this year too, and few people mention it. Stuff like that...

[Vic Petro]

Wallace a Celtic (http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/index.php/2009/07/05/wallace-a-celtic/)

The Celtics have reached agreement with free agent forward/center Rasheed Wallace tonight on a contract that starts at the midlevel exemption of $5.8 million, according to a league source.
The contract is believed to be for two years.

The addition of Wallace gives Celtics the service of one of the best shooting big men in the league. It also strengthens an already solid defense and provides offensive and defensive firepower off the bench.
The agreement comes at a time when the former Piston had been expected to be courted by the Orlando Magic, San Antonio Spurs and Dallas Mavericks. Bill Strickland, Wallace’s agent, had said via text message earlier in the day that he was in the process of setting up meetings with those teams.

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/celtics/?p=374&srvc=home&position=recent

[DPG21920]

Interesting...

[timvp]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130518