Free Agent: Rasheed Wallace

[Marcus Bryant]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_rasheed_wallace.jpg

Rasheed Wallace | PF/C
Born: Sep 17, 1974
Height: 6-11 / 2,11
Weight: 230 lbs. / 104,3 kg.
College: North Carolina
Years Pro: 13

info (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/rasheed_wallace/index.html)

Wouldn't be a bad fit, provided he's on a short term deal. Yes, not the ideal free agent pickup, but depending on what's available, he might just suffice. I'd rather have him than Bonner playing 20+ per, but I guess that's just me.

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Sheed> Bonner, KT, Oberto


If we can sign him for vet minimim I'm all for it!

[SenorSpur]

Thanks MB, for kicking the offseason FA discussions into high gear.

[TDMVPDPOY]

if he accepts the nba minimum then yes, if he wants anything more than the minimum? gtfo.....

[MaNu4Tres]

Sheed is the best option at Center via Free Agency.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

He's not old and washed up enough I saidddd.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Don't do it ....

[Spur-Addict]

Early! :lol

[EricB]

Target numero uno I suspect.

If he can come in motivated and in shape and willing to play on the block, then hells yes.

[loveforthegame]

If he's healthy you'd be crazy not to give him a look. He's better than Oberto, Bonner, and Thomas combined.

[TheProfessor]

if he accepts the nba minimum then yes, if he wants anything more than the minimum? gtfo.....
Vet min for Sheed? Not happening. We're going to have to dip into a substantial amount of if not the full MLE.

[MaNu4Tres]

We need him playing defense( protecting the paint) and rebounding more than anything. If he's willing to sacrifice touches offensively I'm all for it. He's the best option via free agency to make us instantly better.

If he comes in, I suspect playing alongside Tim Duncan and having a ligament shot at a title will be enough motivation ( hopefully).

[Borosai]

If Sheed can still shoot the 3, I would sign him and trade Bonner+Oberto for another big.

Duncan, Sheed, Mahinmi, Thomas, [TRADE]

[Buddy Holly]

Could we do a sign and trade with Detroit for either Bowen or Finley's contract? I would seriously hate to use the MLE on a 35 year old Wallace.

[Steve Kerr]

If we can sign him for vet minimim I'm all for it!

Way to go out on a limb with that opinion. Even my boss would pay Sheed more than the minimum.

[MaNu4Tres]

Could we do a sign and trade with Detroit for either Bowen or Finley's contract?

Or we can sign and trade Bonner and Mason for Sheed and then offer the full MLE to Ariza and offer the LLE to Carney/ Moon/ Barnes/ Jones.

[sabar]

It is very tempting but after seeing his play in the Piston's post-season, it makes you wonder a little. I think you have to go for it, especially given the current state of our bigs.

[rayray2k8]

Damn, MB is already kicking off the offseason free agent list..
Guess it's time for us spurs fans to move on..

[Buddy Holly]

Or we can sign and trade Bonner and Mason for Sheed

I really want Finley off this team though. :lol

[SouthTexasRancher]

I really want Finley off this team though. :lol

Yep and about 6 or 7 other Spurs players who became ghosts. God, this is a terrible Spurs team. A real embarrassment to our 4 Championship teams.

[Avitus1]

I'd love to get him.

[Borosai]

I doubt Detroit would want to take back any players on this team (at least any players that we want to lose) in a sign-and-trade. Sheed is off their books, right? So it doesn't make sense for them.

[DPG21920]

My ideal scenario is sign Sheed using as much of the MLE as you can. It is better than Camby for the reason that the Spurs do not have to give up Hill to get him.

Then look for a big trade at the SF spot.

[Man In Black]

If he comes in, I suspect playing alongside Tim Duncan and having a ligament shot at a title will be enough motivation ( hopefully).

What is a "ligament" shot?

Are we setting up snipers to target knee ligaments? :lol

I think the word you meant to use was "legitimate."

Wallace is still an interior post presence on both ends. Standing at the 3 point line isn't all he'll do, he'll rebound and play tough defense as well.

[MaNu4Tres]

I really want Finley off this team though. :lol

I wouldn't mind Finley being on this team if his minutes were very limited. Hill looks more than capable to have consistent minutes at the 1 and 2 next year if he continues to work on his craft.

I really like Carney/ Moon/ Dahntay Jones or Barnes for the LLE.

My dream scenario would be to Sign Sheed for the MLE short term. Then trade Mason/ Bonner/ Bowen/ Oberto to Milwaukee for Richard Jefferson. Then sign Carney/ Moon/ Barnes for the LLE.

That would give us:

Parker/ Hill
Manu/ Finley/ Hill
Jefferson/ Carney or Moon or Barnes or Jones/ (Gist/ Hairston/ Williams)*wildcards*
Tim/ Mahimni/ Vet minimum signing/ 37th draft pick?
Sheed/ Kurt/ Vet minimum signing


Big men for the vet minimum i'd consider:
Chris Mihm
Rasho Nestorovic
Malik Rose
Melvin Ely
Theo Ratliff
Jarrod Collins
Sheldon Williams ( even though not a vet)

[xtremesteven33]

-Lose weight
-Lose the temper
-Gain focus
-Accept the minnimum

Lets get some Shhhheeeeeeeddd.

[TDMVPDPOY]

teh only reason why he wants to play in texas......his supplier is just live across the border....lol

[EricB]

-Lose weight
-Lose the temper
-Gain focus
-Accept the minnimum

Lets get some Shhhheeeeeeeddd.

2 of the 4 is probable if he signs with the Spurs.

Accepting the minimum and losing the temper you can forget about immediately.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Personally, from an unbiased view, I like Sheed more than Camby for the Spurs. Camby is the better help defender/shot blocker but that's about it. Sheed's arguably one of the top 5 1 on 1 post defenders in basketball and is a bigger body inside.

But his offense is the bigger difference. When his head is in the right place and he realizes that his baseline turnaround is unguardable, his back to the basket game is great. He can also space the floor hear and there, only problem is if Pop gives him the green line from 3 land too much it'll backfire.

[DAF86]

Priority number one IMO.

[tp2021]

Don't do it ....

Why not?

[HarlemHeat37]

fuck it..I'd do it..

we need Ian to produce though..he needs to be the young guy to help out the aging Duncan and Wallace..

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

If he'll play a role off the bench for 2mil a year, fine.

Is that likely? Not really.

We need to get younger, but I'd take him as a Bonner replacement under the conditions stated above.

[DPG21920]

If he'll play a role off the bench for 2mil a year, fine.

Is that likely? Not really.

What? Why would you want him on the bench?

[EricB]

If he'll play a role off the bench for 2mil a year, fine.

Is that likely? Not really.

We need to get younger, but I'd take him as a Bonner replacement under the conditions stated above.


Why would you sign him for the bench?

The spurs don't have a younger big thats better than him that should get the majority of the minutes, nor is one available.

[Mugen]

honestly if we get rasheed and he plays anything to close to anything from his glory days then we are a beast to deal with next year.

[HarlemHeat37]

I wouldn't want him off the bench, I'd want him starting, but only playing about 20-25 MPG..that's why we need a guy like Ian and maybe another young role player for energy off the bench to give Duncan and Wallace a rest..

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Okay, start him then, although he's 35 and wearing down, not to mention tech and foul prone, so maybe 24mins a game off the bench would suit him better than 30 as a starter.

No way he comes here to play for no money though - some fool will sign him for 10mil/2yrs, and given the 2010 plan I don't see the FO offering him more than one year (unless they forget 2010 and try to grab someone this year, which might be the way to go).

[HarlemHeat37]

I think it'll come down to the Spurs, Cavs, and Celtics..

[baseline bum]

If he'll play a role off the bench for 2mil a year, fine.

Is that likely? Not really.

We need to get younger, but I'd take him as a Bonner replacement under the conditions stated above.

I think the time for getting younger has passed. Now is the time to go for broke, future be damned, in trying to squeeze one more title out of this core next season. Tim and Manu aren't aging like fine wines though, and they don't have time to wait for someone who is not ready to go from day 1.

[DPG21920]

I think the time for getting younger has passed. Now is the time to go for broke, future be damned, in trying to squeeze one more title out of this core next season. Tim and Manu aren't aging like fine wines though, and they don't have time to wait for someone who is not ready to go from day 1.

Exactly. Not to mention if the Spurs can get him for the MLE, that means they won't have to give up Hill to get a big.

Then they can trade for a team looking for a pure salary dump to fill the SF need.

[Ditty]

go for the vetarans minimum sheed and i promise i will get your jersey even if your in a spurs uniform for one season

[Allanon]

No way he goes for the vets minimum. He's already got a ring, nothing left to prove.

MLE money and you're talking.

[crc21209]

Sheed on the Spurs with TD would be motivated as hell so I say do it. He is one of the best low-post defenders in the game and can also post up on the block (something Bonner cant do) and shoot the 3 as well.

[TheSpursFNRule]

No way he goes for the vets minimum. He's already got a ring, nothing left to prove.

MLE money and you're talking.

Truth.

[layupdrill]

I think it'll come down to the Spurs, Cavs, and Celtics..
You, my friend, are a smart man.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124743

[poop]

i cant believe so many STILL have not learned their lesson. still going after aging, past-their prime vets. sigh......

[mattyc]

Too old! I'd rather look much younger, even for bench roles. Whilst the old veteran thing works sometimes, I don't know if Wallace is necessarily as hungry as someone as Finley was when we signed him.

[Thomas82]

Sheed can also serve as a mentor for our younger big men.

[turiaf for president]

he would be sick with TD up front. IIRC TD said sheed was the toughest defender hes had to face. however, at minimum sheed will command the full MLE.

[Muser]

-Lose weight
-Lose the temper
-Gain focus
-Accept the minnimum

Lets get some Shhhheeeeeeeddd.

:toast

He really needs to fall out with the 3 aswell, needs to go back to the post.

[SA210]

Mark my words, we DO need a gangster on this team.

[SenorSpur]

Sheed can also serve as a mentor for our younger big men.

Ssrving as a mentor is great (and I mentioned that being one of Wallace's unheradled attributes in another thread). However I want any player that the Spurs pick up to be able to give consistent production on the court, also.

[Borosai]

I would take Sheed if the Spurs could move Bonner and/or Oberto for another young PF/C. Otherwise, the Spurs would just get older and not solve all their frontline problems.

[MaNu4Tres]

I would take Sheed if the Spurs could move Bonner and/or Oberto for another young PF/C. Otherwise, the Spurs would just get older and not solve all their frontline problems.

Sheed would instantly improve our frontline without adding a young big man.

[Borosai]

Sheed would instantly improve our frontline without adding a young big man.

Yes, but where's the depth? Mahinmi is still an unknown. If he doesn't deliver, the Spurs will be in trouble again without any depth.

[MaNu4Tres]

Yes, but where's the depth? Mahinmi is still an unknown. If he doesn't deliver, the Spurs will be in trouble again without any depth.

Tim/ Sheed/ Kurt/ Mahimni/ Vet minimum to Melvin Ely/ Malik Rose/ Theo Ratliff/ also the 37th second round pick? or even Gist

[xtremesteven33]

Duncan & Sheed = Best Frontcourt in the NBA

Parker & Ginobili= Best backcourt in the NBA



Damn.

[TDomination]

Duncan & Sheed = Best Frontcourt in the NBA

Parker & Ginobili= Best backcourt in the NBA



Damn.

Who plays the 3?

Bowen? Mason? Finley?

[HarlemHeat37]

as I said many times..the key is balance here..we need young guys to balance out the age of Duncan and Wallace..

Ian COULD be one..who is the other? Bonner?..

[SA210]

Who plays the 3?

Bowen? Mason? Finley?

Bowen

[Spurs Brazil]

My priority number one is find a wing, via trade or free agency.

If we can get that wing via trade, I hope Jefferson, I'm all for signing Wallace.

If we can't get a wing via trade I hope we use the MLE on a wing

[jdev82]

i cant believe so many STILL have not learned their lesson. still going after aging, past-their prime vets. sigh......

yeah i know especially after the young guys were so great in the playoffs. bonner and mason especially! dude the best players were still tim tony and bruce. mainly old fellas

[Leftyventricle]

if we got sheed, it would be da coolest!

[duncan228]

From Marc Stein today:


From the veterans' committee, as stated here previously, Rasheed Wallace is said to have interest in both Dallas and San Antonio as a free-agent destination.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126628

[EricB]

come on in for 1.8 mill Sheed.

Sign Antonio with the MLE then onward and upward.

[DPG21920]

come on in for 1.8 mill Sheed.

Sign Antonio with the MLE then onward and upward.

That would put the Spurs well over the luxury tax. Not to mention I highly doubt Sheed would play for ~4M less than McDyess.

[Ditty]

That would put the Spurs well over the luxury tax. Not to mention I highly doubt Sheed would play for ~4M less than McDyess.

finley will most likely opt out from the spurs telling him too and would avoide the spurs from going over the luxary cap but still would be way under again if the cap will increase quite a little this summer

sheed could get the LLE for one year

if he wants to win a championship i dont believe the 8 million a year crap

and go after a 3 with our MLE Artest,Ariza someone to replace bruce who I predict will be probably traded or going to retire

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

How many people actually watched Sheed play this year? From what I saw, he has slipped a notch, he's 35, he's still volatile (lots of techs this season), and he spent the last 1/3 of the season injured. Have we not learned anything? Do we really want to give a roster spot to yet another old geezer?

If he signs dirt-cheap, fine, but spending more than 2mil on Sheed would be a mistake.

[Spur-Addict]

How many people actually watched Sheed play this year? From what I saw, he has slipped a notch, he's 35, he's still volatile (lots of techs this season), and he spent the last 1/3 of the season injured. Have we not learned anything? Do we really want to give a roster spot to yet another old geezer?

If he signs dirt-cheap, fine, but spending more than 2mil on Sheed would be a mistake.

Buying low is always a safe assessment.

All the tech talk only proves he still has desire to win.

Taking this season into perspective, he had to deal with roster mistakes of paramount proportions.

Bottom line is that he's still very effective and there aren't many available bigs who can give what he can. Additionally, the only help he had on that front line was Dice. Tim and Sheed compliment each other offensively, plus he plays really good defense.

We do need youth on the frontline, but I don't know where we'll find that sort of need which will be effective enough to really help this team with the window it has. So it's best to hope for Ian, and if we can find something else aside from Ian, then so be it. As of right now, if he's not completely out of our range, i'd do it.

[EricB]

How many people actually watched Sheed play this year? From what I saw, he has slipped a notch, he's 35, he's still volatile (lots of techs this season), and he spent the last 1/3 of the season injured. Have we not learned anything? Do we really want to give a roster spot to yet another old geezer?

If he signs dirt-cheap, fine, but spending more than 2mil on Sheed would be a mistake.

Seeing as there is not a plethora of young bigs to sign, then yes you DO sign him.

New scenery, newer and better team, more motivation.

[TheProfessor]

Seeing as there is not a plethora of young bigs to sign, then yes you DO sign him.

New scenery, newer and better team, more motivation.
The way I see it, it's either Sheed or overseas for our next big.

[MaNu4Tres]

Seeing as there is not a plethora of young bigs to sign, then yes you DO sign him.

New scenery, newer and better team, more motivation.

I agree. The only way I wouldn't go after him is if we trade for a young better post player.

But if we go into free agency without any additions via a trade, then we have to offer him the MLE for one year. There's not a better option in the free agent pool.

[Manufan909]

The way I see it, it's either Sheed or overseas for our next big.

I prefer overseas, but... Feed the SHEED!!!!!!!!

And to whoever dissed Mason and Bonner, using Matt isn't fair, he'll be a choker at any age, Mason I can't defend. Plus, TP and Timmy were the Big 2, they fucking better show up in the POs, until they're 35. Around then they can start mailing in the reg season like Horry did. And you forgot Hill. He showed up for Gm 5, even if he didn't make a big splash, what do you expect from a rookie who was in his first playoff series, and wasn't really used the prior 15 or so games, because his coach didn't believe in him?

[LakerHater]

Someone else made this on another forum:
http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr134/kobeowen126/wallacespurs.jpg

[SenorSpur]

Only if the Spurs cannot get their hands on Gortat.

[benefactor]

Only if the Spurs cannot get their hands on Gortat.
:tu

[StoneBuddha]

Someone else made this on another forum:
http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr134/kobeowen126/wallacespurs.jpg

He looks really fat in that photo.. Maybe black is not slimming. :lol

If he signs with the Spurs, I hope we get the skinny, motivated Sheed.

:flag:

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Bottom line is that he's still very effective and there aren't many available bigs who can give what he can. Additionally, the only help he had on that front line was Dice. Tim and Sheed compliment each other offensively, plus he plays really good defense.

That's what I'm bringing into question - this is not 2004 Sheed, or even 2007 Sheed, this is 35yo Sheed who has slowed considerably. Guy used to have the quickness to rotate to corner shooters, but not any more. He shot 42% from the field and 35% from 3 last year. His blocks and steals were down, even thought he played 2 more mpg than 2007. Sheed is over the hill.

If he wants to be paid a pittance to come and play 20mpg here, fine, but if you are going to count on him to contribute significantly you'll be sorely disappointed.

[Chieflion]

Move on, why the hype about him, he is nothing.

[urunobili]

I dont want this guy on the Spurs... let him rot in DFW

[mountainballer]

that's what i'm bringing into question - this is not 2004 sheed, or even 2007 sheed, this is 35yo sheed who has slowed considerably. Guy used to have the quickness to rotate to corner shooters, but not any more. He shot 42% from the field and 35% from 3 last year. His blocks and steals were down, even thought he played 2 more mpg than 2007. Sheed is over the hill.

If he wants to be paid a pittance to come and play 20mpg here, fine, but if you are going to count on him to contribute significantly you'll be sorely disappointed.

+1

[intlspurshk]

Old players have no place in nowdays NBA. Look at Howard, Anthony,....

[jacobdrj]

If you are a fan of the Spurs, you want Rasheed Wallace. His defense is why you get him. He will take so much pressure off Tim Duncan. The only question is if he can stay healthy. I am shocked he stayed as healthy as he has the past 5 years. The 3 point shooting isn't a bad thing in moderation, and with Timmay commanding a double, any time Sheed spreads the floor, the opposing defense will be completely stretched and frustrated.

[SenorSpur]

If you are a fan of the Spurs, you want Rasheed Wallace. His defense is why you get him. He will take so much pressure off Tim Duncan. The only question is if he can stay healthy. I am shocked he stayed as healthy as he has the past 5 years. The 3 point shooting isn't a bad thing in moderation, and with Timmay commanding a double, any time Sheed spreads the floor, the opposing defense will be completely stretched and frustrated.

That's all true, but you can't afford to pay him the MLE.

I'd rather the Spurs go after Gortat.

[urunobili]

I'd rather the Spurs go after Gortat.

:toast

[Ditty]

If you are a fan of the Spurs, you want Rasheed Wallace. His defense is why you get him. He will take so much pressure off Tim Duncan. The only question is if he can stay healthy. I am shocked he stayed as healthy as he has the past 5 years. The 3 point shooting isn't a bad thing in moderation, and with Timmay commanding a double, any time Sheed spreads the floor, the opposing defense will be completely stretched and frustrated.

:toast
could not say it any better i hope somehow we can get rid of bonner though but a 1 year contract wouldn't hurt for the LLE

with a healthy spurs team they might be scary and add a good young small foward woww will this team be a true contender next year

[Spur-Addict]

That's what I'm bringing into question - this is not 2004 Sheed, or even 2007 Sheed, this is 35yo Sheed who has slowed considerably. Guy used to have the quickness to rotate to corner shooters, but not any more. He shot 42% from the field and 35% from 3 last year. His blocks and steals were down, even thought he played 2 more mpg than 2007. Sheed is over the hill.

If he wants to be paid a pittance to come and play 20mpg here, fine, but if you are going to count on him to contribute significantly you'll be sorely disappointed.

Losing an all star point guard would logically effect his numbers. Billups stretched the floor better, debatably slashed a bit better or equal to, and he has ran the Pistons far better than Stuckey has to date. This has to be taken into account. And by no means am I saying that Sheed is vintage Sheed, that is absurd. What i'm saying is, who are you going to find out there that can do what he can? Nobody.

With the three offensive options on the court, he will get better looks from the three point line. Or, anywhere else to be honest.

Defensively, i'm not worried about a Wallace/Duncan frontcourt. We won't be playing Golden State every night.

If you think he can't give 25 minutes, and on some nights thirty, that's just your opinion. An opinion I disagree with, but yours nonetheless.

[Mark in Austin]

In terms of a big man that compliments Duncan, Sheed is the best option out there this summer. I worry about his drop-off in production. True, going from Billups to Iverson doesn't exactly do wonders for team offense. But at 35 with 1000+ games on his legs, defensively will he be 2 million dollars better than Bonner?

It will take all of the MLE to sign Sheed. His signing also makes Bonner expendable. So the signing has some pretty high risks:
1. With his age and health can he do much better than Bonner, especially at 2 million+ more per season?
2. If they sign Sheed, can the Spurs salary dump Bonner? WIth limited salary space, the Spurs have more pressing needs than a redundancy at this skill set.

[Spurtacus]

Pass. Sheed is in decline. He's an upgrade over our bigs (cept Timmy of course) but when are we going to commit to bringing in young players?

[Russ]

Bring him in for an Horry-type role at an Horry-type salary. Vet minimum, maybe a little more.

MLE? No way at this point in his arc.

[angelbelow]

for the LLE i would love it, but we have to be realistic, there may be some teams that wouldnt mind over paying the guy. im sure cuban would give him the MLE no problem.

[EricB]

That's all true, but you can't afford to pay him the MLE.

I'd rather the Spurs go after Gortat.


Good, don't bitch when Gortat clogs up the offense and can't even shoot past a 3 foot hook shot.

[Extra Stout]

Rasheed Wallace is about as good as the Spurs are likely to get.

Going after young players to develop is a waste of time at this point. The time for that was two years ago, and the Spurs failed. Now, if they go young, by the time those players are ready, Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili are done. If the Spurs elect to go young, then the era of winning titles under Tim Duncan is effectively over, and they might as well just trade Tim Duncan. Heck, just blow up the whole team and start over.

So the Spurs should just focus on getting players that can contribute meaningfully now.

[DPG21920]

Rasheed Wallace is about as good as the Spurs are likely to get.

Going after young players to develop is a waste of time at this point. The time for that was two years ago, and the Spurs failed. Now, if they go young, by the time those players are ready, Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili are done. If the Spurs elect to go young, then the era of winning titles under Tim Duncan is effectively over, and they might as well just trade Tim Duncan. Heck, just blow up the whole team and start over.

So the Spurs should just focus on getting players that can contribute meaningfully now.

Depends on how you define "young". Al Jefferson is young, but he would help now. Dwight Howard is young and his team was in the finals. I am assuming you meant the draft or something similar.

You can still go "young" and help win now.

[tp2021]

Is Stout having a bad offseason?

[HarlemHeat37]

If we get Wallace, then we NEED to have another young role player big off the bench with Ian..having Kurt backing up Wallace and Duncan is horrible for us, we would get torched by young bigs..

[urunobili]

Rasheed Wallace is about as good as the Spurs are likely to get.

Going after young players to develop is a waste of time at this point. The time for that was two years ago, and the Spurs failed. Now, if they go young, by the time those players are ready, Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili are done. If the Spurs elect to go young, then the era of winning titles under Tim Duncan is effectively over, and they might as well just trade Tim Duncan. Heck, just blow up the whole team and start over.

So the Spurs should just focus on getting players that can contribute meaningfully now.

Change your dealer please...

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Rasheed Wallace is about as good as the Spurs are likely to get.

Going after young players to develop is a waste of time at this point. The time for that was two years ago, and the Spurs failed. Now, if they go young, by the time those players are ready, Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili are done. If the Spurs elect to go young, then the era of winning titles under Tim Duncan is effectively over, and they might as well just trade Tim Duncan. Heck, just blow up the whole team and start over.

So the Spurs should just focus on getting players that can contribute meaningfully now.

You are completely ignoring the fact that the NBA has changed and is now a young athlete's league, not to mention the fact that offensive players have been given all the advantages. If this were 2005 we could go with a 35yo Sheed and have a hope, today not a chance. If he comes here cheap (LLE, which he won't) I'd be fine with it, anything more would be throwing money and a roster spot down the toilet.

Also, if you keep delaying the inevitable (i.e. that this team is too old and not athletic enough) you are setting us up for a major crash in a year or two. The smart thing to do is to gradually get younger over a 3 year period, introducing 2-3 youngsters a year, and hope that one a year makes a leap - that way you have a shot at the trophy each year if everything clicks, but at the same time you get younger and prepare for the post-Duncan era. Most FO/coach staffs could not pull it off, but ours is good enough to get it right with a little good luck.

[kace]

i'm not sure of what it worthes but a french site has just talked about the spurs talking to Rasheed Wallace to make him come.

http://www.football365.fr/basket-hand-volley/basket/article_327231_San-Antonio-R.Wallace-en-approche.shtml

another one:

http://www.basketusa.com/news/rumeurs/17403/san-antonio-pret-a-accueillir-rasheed-wallace/

10 M 2 years deal.

[Texas_Ranger]

i'm not sure of what it worthes but a french site has just talked about the spurs talking to Rasheed Wallace to make him come.

http://www.football365.fr/basket-hand-volley/basket/article_327231_San-Antonio-R.Wallace-en-approche.shtml

another one:

http://www.basketusa.com/news/rumeurs/17403/san-antonio-pret-a-accueillir-rasheed-wallace/

10 M 2 years deal.


Can someone please translate??

[Chieflion]

Bigs Spurs should go after in order of declining interest.
Marcin Gortat (proven young center who can rebound, run, defend and jump but is a RFA)
Antonio McDyess (hard worker on the boards and stays in shape and maintains his skills)
Rasheed Wallace (will he take the MLE or LLE? shoots the 3, plays defense)
Radoslav Nesterovic ( understands the system and can be had for cheap)

[Spur-Addict]

:lmao

[kace]

Can someone please translate??

well, basically, there's nothing more that what i said in my post.

Spurs trying to bring Sheed for a 10 M 2 years contract. and plan B if sheed asks too much: gooden.

Once again, i don't how much reliable are these sources.

[Texas_Ranger]

well, basically, there's nothing more that what i said in my post.

Spurs trying to bring Sheed for a 10 M 2 years contract. and plan B if sheed asks too much: gooden.

Once again, i don't how much reliable are these sources.

oh..OK. Thanx for that.:toast

[Darkwaters]

Depends on how you define "young". Al Jefferson is young, but he would help now. Dwight Howard is young and his team was in the finals. I am assuming you meant the draft or something similar.

You can still go "young" and help win now.

You're talking about players literally in their prime. They don't come easy. You pretty much have to either develop them yourself, pay out the nose for them, send a ton of expiring contracts over for them (of which we're running out) or get damn lucky. You don't just scoop up a Dwight Howard at the flee market.

[phyzik]

You bring Sheed over even for only the epic HEB commercials him and Timmy will make.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

:lol

[DAF86]

Is there a realistic chance of landing Rasheed?

[rayray2k8]

Is there a realistic chance of landing Rasheed?

Sheed wanted to play with the cavs but because of the shaq trade, this might have increased the spurs chances of winning the "need for sheed" sweepstakes. :p

[HarlemHeat37]

It's San Antonio vs. Cleveland vs. retirement..

[tmtcsc]

For what its worth, Rick Kamla of NBA TV was interviewed on Fox Radio (Sean Farnahm)SP? show. He said that David Aldridge (who has good info on Wallace) believes that Wallace wants Orlando and Orlando wants Wallace.

I guess we gave to wait and see. Kamla also went on to mention that he feels the Spurs are already SOLID contenders to win the title and that they really don't need Sheed. He thinks Orlando is still the best in East, especially after getting VC.

[timvp]

The Pistons are also not expected to re-sign unrestricted free agent Wallace, who is mulling potential jobs with the Spurs, Magic and Celtics.

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/david_aldridge/07/01/freeagency.start/

[lefty]

it's san antonio vs. Cleveland vs. Retirement..
4-0-1

[HarlemHeat37]

replace Boston with Cleveland..I was going by Bucher's comments at the time..

[timvp]

Rasheed Wallace’s camp was expecting calls early Wednesday from the Celtics, Cavaliers, and Spurs, among others. Kevin Garnett, a league source confirmed, was working behind the scenes to recruit ‘Sheed to Boston. Wallace’s attitude – which obviously can be both good and bad – and his ability to stretch the front court would be assets to the Cavs in their quest to fortify their pre-draft acquisition of Shaquille O’Neal. Wallace will have to factor in whether anyone comes forward with more than the mid-level exception. He also is said to be wary of the strong egos in the Boston locker room, not to mention the fact that the Rajon Rondo situation needs to be resolved. The Celtics cleared a spot for Wallace by not extending a qualifying offer to power forward Leon Powe, who is coming off major knee surgery and became an unrestricted free agent.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/15830179

[lefty]

Shall see

[HarlemHeat37]

Interesting mention of the "Boston egos"..

[lefty]

Interesting mention of the "Boston egos"..
But....but.......... their 3 stars sacrifice themselves for the good of the team....

[Thompson]

Interesting mention of the "Boston egos"..

He must be thinking about this very carefully, and I would think that bodes well for us. The 'egos,' the Rondo situation, compared to Duncan/Jefferson/Manu/Parker. I think we win comparisons with Boston on a number of levels.

[lefty]

Wallace vs KG :

http://www.need4sheed.com/images/sheedstewiebutton3.jpg

[Blackjack]

I know I'm a Spurs fan but if the money is equal, how the hell could he not choose the Spurs?

Great locker room, starting-role, perfect fit basketball-wise...

I guess Orlando I'd have to give strong consideration to, at least basketball-wise, but I think playing for Pop would sway me after some of the stuff Howard was able to pull on Van Gundy last year. I just don't think Van Gundy commands the right amount of respect for 'Sheed. :crossfingers

[HarlemHeat37]

This is going to come down to his friendship with KG, and that's all IMO..we pretty much have everything going for us right now other than that..we've become younger than the Cs, injuries are the same on both teams, he gets a starting spot, much better coach, much better weather, no egos..

[HarlemHeat37]

According to Florida Today, Orlando is out of the race..

[Thompson]

Can anybody here do a KG impersonation? Call up Rasheed early in the a.m. and say "'Sheed, can't wait till you get your ******* a** in our team shower bi***! Anything is possibbblleeee!" [Click]

[lefty]

According to Florida Today, Orlando is out of the race..
Magic may not afford big man

BY JOHN DENTON • FLORIDA TODAY • July 1, 2009


With Vince Carter's $16.3 million salary taking the Orlando Magic deep into luxury tax territory, the likelihood is that standout forward Hedo Turkoglu is long gone and any top-shelf help at power forward will be out of reach.
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Drew Gooden, anyone? Or how about other Magic castoffs from years past such as Juwan Howard or Steven Hunter? Or possibly even Chris Wilcox, Shelden Williams, Joe Smith or Rasho Nesterovic.

Or could Orlando reunite with Tony Battie, traded last week in the Carter deal -- if his contract is bought out by the New Jersey Nets?

In other words, any hopes Magic fans had of seeing a major upgrade at power forward in the form of Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess or Brandon Bass likely are gone because Orlando almost certainly won't have the financial wherewithal to attract such players.

With the July 1 start of the NBA's free-agent courting period hitting at midnight hours earlier, the Magic turned their top priority toward trying to retain backup center Marcin Gortat, a restricted free agent whom they can match any contract offer he receives if they so choose to so. But clearly, finances are tight now with Carter on board.

Orlando has $68 million committed to eight players with $50.2 million of it going to Rashard Lewis ($18.8 million), Carter ($16.3 million) and Dwight Howard
($15.1 million). Adding the required five more bodies to the roster will take the payroll to $75 million, some
$6 million above the projected luxury tax threshold of $69 million. That dollar-for-dollar penalty will take the Magic's salary commitment next season to about $81 million.

The Magic's only chances of landing Wallace or McDyess, it would seem, would have been to offer their entire mid-level exception ($5.5 million), but instead the team will break up the exception and use it to sign multiple players. In a double-whammy of sorts for the Magic, Wallace or McDyess could end up with Eastern Conference rivals Boston or Cleveland.

Being out of the running for Wallace, McDyess and Bass puts added pressure on the Magic to try and retain Gortat, the 6-foot-11 center from Poland who played well behind Howard last season while averaging 3.8 points and 4.5 rebounds. He is a seen as a blossoming talent around the NBA and is expected to attract much interest because of his size and rebounding talents. The Magic would likely match any offer at $4 million a season, but might lose the center if another team offers its full mid-level exception ($5.5 million).

"There's no question we still need to get bigger. Even if we're able to re-sign Marcin, we'll still need another big (man)," Magic coach Stan Van Gundy said."The minimum that you want to go into a season with at the (power forward) and (center) spots is five guys and you might even want a sixth."
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The Magic were pushed around physically and beaten on the boards by the Los Angeles Lakers, losing the championship round 4-1. The thought was that the Magic need more rebounding and toughness around Dwight Howard. And if the Magic added a starting caliber power forward the team could move Lewis back to his natural position of small forward.

Instead, Lewis will now likely stay at power forward and either Mickael Pietrus or J.J. Redick will start alongside of Carter on the wings.

Warning him that the market could be lukewarm this summer with few teams shelling out big contracts, Orlando attempted to keep Turkoglu with a four-year extension onto his current deal. But Turkoglu turned that down, opted out of his Magic contract and started looking to secure a $10 million-a-year contract. Portland, Toronto and Sacramento are the favorites to sign Turkoglu, Orlando's leading scorer in the Finals at 18 points per game.

Van Gundy feels the addition of Carter makes the Magic significantly better because of his ability to create offense on his own. Carter gives the Magic another 20-point scorer and a creative, athletic playmaker who is a better passer than most realize.

And Van Gundy also believes the addition of power forward Ryan Anderson has been overlooked. Anderson, a 6-foot-10 power forward with 3-point range, was included in the Carter trade. Orlando sent Courtney Lee, Battie and Rafer Alston to New Jersey.

Anderson averaged 7.4 points and 4.7 rebounds last season, while hitting 36.5 percent of his 3-pointers.

Van Gundy pointed out that Anderson averaged as many rebounds per minute as Wallace and Battie last season and he made as many 3-pointers per minute played as Wallace at a better percentage.

"Anderson is going to be much more of an addition than people think," Van Gundy said. "He's a name that gets totally left out as if he were just a throw-in. The deal was made for Vince (Carter), but people are discounting what we got back in him. People got to know Courtney (Lee) and he played well for us in the playoffs. We certainly lost a good, young player, but we got back a good, young player.This is a guy who is three years younger than Courtney and he fits the way we play very. He's a good player who is a good fit. I'm not trying to make him out to be a star, but he's certainly at Courtney's level. That is sort of lost in the shuffle."

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090701/SPORTS16/907010320/1002/SPORTS

[timvp]

In other words, any hopes Magic fans had of seeing a major upgrade at power forward in the form of Rasheed Wallace, Antonio McDyess or Brandon Bass likely are gone because Orlando almost certainly won't have the financial wherewithal to attract such players.

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090701/SPORTS16/907010320/1002/SPORTS


:hungry:

[lefty]

:hungry:
Beat you to it :D

[HarlemHeat37]

Beat you to it :D

After me..I guess we're teaming up..

[lefty]

After me..I guess we're teaming up..
Hehe :toast

[EricB]

One down, two others to fight.

[lurker23]

So with Orlando out of the running, Houston going after Gortat, and Cleveland seemingly going after Villanueva, is it pretty much between Boston and San Antonio? Am I missing someone?

[kbrury]

So with Orlando out of the running, Houston going after Gortat, and Cleveland seemingly going after Villanueva, is it pretty much between Boston and San Antonio? Am I missing someone?
According to Bucher LA :lmao

[Thompson]

So with Orlando out of the running, Houston going after Gortat, and Cleveland seemingly going after Villanueva, is it pretty much between Boston and San Antonio? Am I missing someone?

Portland? They could offer him more than us, but have less chance at a championship and haven't really been mentioned as a possible suitor. Who knows if he'd even want to return there anyway. I only bring them up because they like to screw us. Hopefully they're more concerned with Turkoglu or Odom.

[HarlemHeat37]

TD vs. KG..

[HarlemHeat37]

Portland? They could offer him more than us, but have less chance at a championship and haven't really been mentioned as a possible suitor. Who knows if he'd even want to return there anyway. I only bring them up because they like to screw us. Hopefully they're more concerned with Turkoglu or Odom.

Portland would never get somebody from the JailBlazers days..they're very conscious about the image of the team..

[EricB]

Portland? They could offer him more than us, but have less chance at a championship and haven't really been mentioned as a possible suitor. Who knows if he'd even want to return there anyway. I only bring them up because they like to screw us. Hopefully they're more concerned with Turkoglu or Odom.

Portland is maxing out their money going after Turkoglu.

[Thompson]

Portland would never get somebody from the JailBlazers days..they're very conscious about the image of the team..

Glad to hear it.

[lurker23]

I've also seen Atlanta and Dallas mentioned ( http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130156 ), as well as Denver ( http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9710744/Straight-Shooting:-Where-should-free-agents-go ), though I don't know if any of those options are very likely.

[lefty]

Bleacher Report :lmao

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/209737-rasheed-wallace-and-kevin-garnett-a-potentially-frightening-combination

[Blackjack]

Get your ass down to S.A. Roscoe!:hungry:

[lefty]

Other options and rumors around the league; Although he'll have several pursuers, I heard on ESPN Radio that the most likely landing spot for Rasheed Wallace might be in San Antonio

[bostonguy]

Sheed in Boston backing up KG? Yeah that isnt going to happen. I wouldnt mind having a possible Sheed/Baby backup duo but I just dont see it. If Sheed is smart, he will chose the spurs. That is the best fit for him. Celts have other needs: Resigning Glen Davis, adding a wing player, and looking for a backup pg.

[HarlemHeat37]

You guys aren't taking back Starbury? Seems like taking him back would be best for both parties IMO..

[lurker23]

"Other options and rumors around the league; Although he'll have several pursuers, I heard on ESPN Radio that the most likely landing spot for Rasheed Wallace might be in San Antonio "

Probably a radio interview with Chris Broussard.

[mystargtr34]

Sheed in Boston backing up KG? Yeah that isnt going to happen. I wouldnt mind having a possible Sheed/Baby backup duo but I just dont see it. If Sheed is smart, he will chose the spurs. That is the best fit for him. Celts have other needs: Resigning Glen Davis, adding a wing player, and looking for a backup pg.

How do you feel about your guys letting Powe walk? I thought he would be resigned, knee injury and all.

[lefty]

"Other options and rumors around the league; Although he'll have several pursuers, I heard on ESPN Radio that the most likely landing spot for Rasheed Wallace might be in San Antonio "

Probably a radio interview with Chris Broussard.
Yeah that's what I thought

[bostonguy]

How do you feel about your guys letting Powe walk? I thought he would be resigned, knee injury and all.

I am not too thrilled about it if we dont (and I dont expect it) land Sheed. I loved the energy he brought and it would have been very cheap to keep him. I hope Ainge knows what he is doing.

[bostonguy]

You guys aren't taking back Starbury? Seems like taking him back would be best for both parties IMO..

If Starbury accepts a cheap contract, I have no problem bringing him back. I guess I expect him to attempt to go to a team where he could start.

[Bruno]

So with Orlando out of the running, Houston going after Gortat, and Cleveland seemingly going after Villanueva, is it pretty much between Boston and San Antonio? Am I missing someone?

Yes, it looks like it is between Spurs and Celtics.

[bostonguy]

The Celts went after Cory hard last year which resulted in them losing Posey. Now they want to risk it all going after sheed at the expense of Powe and possibly Glen Davis? :depressed Celts are playing with fire again.

[EricB]

Come on Timmy.

Take him a cake, grill him a steak, whatever it takes. Bring him in.

[Spurs Brazil]

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports

Sources say Boston Celtics GM Danny Ainge and assistant director of basketball operations Leo Papile showed up on Rasheed Wallace’s(notes) doorstep just after midnight Wednesday to make their recruiting push.

“I know he is definitely considering playing for them,” one league source said.

The Celtics also have expressed interest in Toronto Raptors guard Anthony Parker(notes) .

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AuHtw_lTIzwHSqghAMJNAPe8vLYF?slug=aw-gordonvillanueva070109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Brazil]

^fuck the celts FTC

[Thompson]

Wasn't there a report that said he didn't want to talk about it until today? I hope he told them to GTF off his lawn. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

I actually feel better by hearing that the Celtics are trying so hard, and are going to his "doorstep" and all..we haven't heard anything about the Spurs, as usual, and silence in the media is a good thing a lot of the time..

[Muser]

^fuck the celts FTC

[DBMethos]

Fuck Boston. SA is the best fit for Sheed.

[Soul_Patch]

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1182333&srvc=sports&position=recent

Celtics tender offer to Glen Davis
By Mark Murphy
Wednesday, July 1, 2009 - Updated 7h ago
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Boston Herald Sports Reporter

The Celtics took the first step in their attempt to retain the services of Glen Davis by tendering the forward a qualifying offer last night.

But the chase is far from over. Based on his playoff performance - beyond Kendrick Perkins [stats] he was arguably the Celtics’ best player during the conference semifinals against Orlando - Big Baby is anticipating a big paycheck.

According to a league source, Davis, as a restricted free agent, will carry a mid-level exception (approximately $5.8 million) price tag into the marketplace. He also qualifies as a so-called “Early Bird” exception free agent (two years with the same team), meaning the Celtics can sign him for up to 175 percent of last season’s salary.

That amount would approximate the mid-level exception. Because of Davis’ Early Bird status, the Celtics could pay that amount without using their mid-level exception.

The question is whether the Celtics are willing to pay that much.

Detroit and Memphis - two teams with cap space - both are expected to court Davis over the next month. The Pistons, depending on who they bring back, are a playoff team. Memphis, attracted to Davis’ promise as a young power forward, isn’t even close.

And that, in turn, is the question facing Davis.

After winning an NBA title as a rookie and establishing himself with one of the NBA’s premier franchises, is Davis willing to take more money from an inferior team and organization?

How does this play into them trying to obtain Sheed as well? You would think if they are looking at Sheed, they wouldnt have made the offer to Davis right?

[Da Spurs]

Blair will be much better and much cheaper. What a draft!

[ace3g]

they don't have to use any of the MLE to sign Big Baby

[picnroll]

Sheed, Garnett, Perkins and Rondo, what would be the over/under on Celtics technicals this year?

[Gant]

On the Celtics:

Powe is out until at least the allstar break. He's a nonfactor right now. The reason they did not extend him a qualifier is because they can probably sign him anyway later and save the luxury tax. It is unlikely anyone else will sign him due to his knee injury. (edit: strike that, it looks like Leon got inquiries from about 5 teams and his Celtic days may be done.)

Big Baby and Rasheed are not in competition. There is room for both with Rasheed being the primary back up big man at both the 4 and 5.

If Rasheed comes to Boston he will get starter minutes. KG is coming off knee surgery and Perkins has a shoulder problem that would be helped by fewer minutes. All three could get around 30 minutes with Big Baby or someone else picking up what's left.

Davis would pick up further minutes filling in as Rasheed and Garnett are older and Perkins needs to rest his shoulder.

Rasheed and Garnett are very close. Garnett may be instrumental in bringing him to Boston.

Boston really needs him. They do not have enough size or depth in the frontcourt.

The two best defenders of Dwight Howard in the game right now are Rasheed and Perkins. If Boston picks up Rasheed, Orlando will have a very hard time beating them.

He could still go to San Antonio but Rasheed to Boston has been rumored for days now. It could very well happen.

[wisnub]

Sheed> Bonner, KT, Oberto


If we can sign him for vet minimim I'm all for it!


I dont know if u can do math or not but vet minimum for Sheed is impossible. Even a grandma knows that. More likely he will command most of MLE if not all of it. I dont know why Spurs fans always want to spend cheaply on players, we are not GM anyway....Lakers and Boston throwing money all over the place and here we go again. If the reason is because of SA is a small market and money is tight than I understand. But Spurs committed to spend all their money in response to Lakers championship and early knockout. Thats a good sign. If Spurs got Sheed they will be unbeatable team on paper..considering Duncan and Manu are healthy.

[coyotes_geek]

they don't have to use any of the MLE to sign Big Baby

No. They've got Early-Bird rights on him.

[ace3g]

No. They've got Early-Bird rights on him.

I wasn't asking, I know they don't have to use the MLE to sign Big Baby, someone was asking why would the Celtics make an offer to BB if they were going after Rasheed. Having BB early bird rights mean they could sign both

[ace3g]

Rasheed Wallace: First contact


By
Jeff McDonald
on Jul 1, 09 12:18 PM | Permalink | Comments (0)


As expected, the Spurs have reached out to unrestricted free agent Rasheed Wallace. At this point, less than 24 hours into free agency, it is difficult to handicap the race for his services.

Boston, Cleveland and perhaps even Dallas are believed to be among the teams queuing up to talk to the soon-to-be 35-year-old center. Each of those teams have the same amount to spend -- the roughly $5.6 million mid-level exception -- so it will probably come down to how the offers are structured over the long term.

Wallace made $13.9 million with Detroit last season, but won't be able to approach that figure on the open market this summer.

Bill Strickland, Wallace's agent, would not confirm this morning that talks had commenced between the Spurs and his client. He did, however, indicate he expected the Spurs to be in the hunt.

"There's interest, mutual interest, I would say," Strickland said. "I would say the Spurs have a job to do."

The Spurs' interest in Wallace has been ongoing. As with Richard Jefferson, they poked around Wallace at last season's trade deadline.


http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/rasheed-wallace.html

[DPG21920]

Come on Spurs. Rasheed is a Laker killer.

[mattspurs]

when do you think he will make his decision??:downspin:

[Mugen]

i really want rasheed but i dont see the spurs willing to wait if sheed drags this out.

theres just too few serviceable bigs out there and we cant afford to wait around.

i do think that sheed makes a decision by tomorrow, so we'll see.

[DPG21920]

Probably after everyone who is trying to get him makes their offers. Once he has all the offers in that he is considering, he will review the money/years/situation then decide. So probably not until close to the 8th imo.

[ElNono]

To be honest, what makes sense is to wait and see how things develop (from a player standpoint). I think it might be a while until we get some news.

[z0sa]

when do you think he will make his decision??:downspin:

He's going to play it out as long as he can if you ask me. He wants the most years he can since he's taking 40% of the money he was making last few seasons. Whoever ponies up to pay a 39 year old wallace a few years from now will get his services now.

[ElNono]

I just hope Pop is taking him out for dinner somewhere and giving him the red carpet treatment. Kinda doubt it, but I certainly hope so.

[z0sa]

I just hope Pop is taking him out for dinner somewhere and giving him the red carpet treatment. Kinda doubt it, but I certainly hope so.

Aren't they close-ish? I think the red carpet treatment was going to happen just because Pop likes the guy.

[EricB]

Sounds like needless posturing from his agent.

I hate agents.

[bigdog]

To be honest, what makes sense is to wait and see how things develop (from a player standpoint). I think it might be a while until we get some news.

I don't think so. It seems to be between Boston and San Antonio now. Many people are saying the Cleveland and Orlando have interest, but it will come down to the Spurs and Celtics.

If that's the case, we could hear within the next week what Rasheed's decision is.

[z0sa]

Could Sheed be our late-Duncan era Horry?

I can see Tim and Sheed riding off into the sunset together, 3peat in hand :flag:

yeah i'm dreaming a little

[Mugen]

I don't think so. It seems to be between Boston and San Antonio now. Many people are saying the Cleveland and Orlando have interest, but it will come down to the Spurs and Celtics.

If that's the case, we could hear within the next week what Rasheed's decision is.

i agree

i think sheed knows the teams that are interested and the money they are offering.

the teams that have considerable cap space arent going to chase after him so he knows the MLE is about what he's going to get.

i just expect a verbal commitment within in the next couple of days.

[Marcus Bryant]

Boston, Cleveland and perhaps even Dallas are believed to be among the teams queuing up to talk to the soon-to-be 35-year-old center. Each of those teams have the same amount to spend -- the roughly $5.6 million mid-level exception -- so it will probably come down to how the offers are structured over the long term.

Spurs can certainly offer a fully guaranteed 3 year deal for the MLE if they want. The end of that would coincide with the end of Duncan's extension (and presumably career). At this point I think you do it, unless you could get a McDyess with a much smaller commitment.

[Sec24Row7]

Could Sheed be our late-Duncan era Horry?

I can see Tim and Sheed riding off into the sunset together, 3peat in hand :flag:

yeah i'm dreaming a little

Sheed when motivated is a much better player than Horry...

[mattspurs]

Could Sheed be our late-Duncan era Horry?

I can see Tim and Sheed riding off into the sunset together, 3peat in hand :flag:

yeah i'm dreaming a little

that would be amazing!:flag::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:: lobt2::lobt2:

[z0sa]

Sheed when motivated is a much better player than Horry...

much, much, much better. I watched video several years back, when Sheed first was acquired by the Pistons, of him hitting like 10 left handed 3's in a row :wow

I'm talking that fearless bigman shooter who can also play lockdown D and block shots, who tends to affect the game in different ways than the stat sheet immediately implies.

[bigdog]

much, much, much better. I watched video several years back, when Sheed first was acquired by the Pistons, of him hitting like 10 left handed 3's in a row :wow

I'm talking that fearless bigman shooter who can also play lockdown D and block shots, who tends to affect the game in different ways than the stat sheet immediately implies.

I actually remember him shooting a couple of left-handed 3's in some games. If he does that with the Spurs, he will give Pop a HUGE headache. :lol

[z0sa]

that would be amazing!:flag::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:: lobt2::lobt2:


We got work to do while Tim's still around if we plan on catching LA or Boston at some point in a different era :lol:toast:flag:

:lobt::lobt::lobt::lobt: :lobt2: ---> all I care about ... for now :toast

[DPG21920]

Spurs can certainly offer a fully guaranteed 3 year deal for the MLE if they want. The end of that would coincide with the end of Duncan's extension (and presumably career). At this point I think you do it, unless you could get a McDyess with a much smaller commitment.

I disagree MB. I know it is risky committing the money to an older player, but Sheed is far better than McDyess from a Spurs stand point. The match ups, the post presence and shooting...

[EricB]

I actually remember him shooting a couple of left-handed 3's in some games. If he does that with the Spurs, he will give Pop a HUGE headache. :lol

Pop would probobly find it amusing.

[Obstructed_View]

The capacity of Spurfan for self-delusion never ceases to amaze. I find myself thinking we're going to see one of these guys end up in San Antonio, and then I remember all the other years of free agency.

[DPG21920]

The capacity of Spurfan for self-delusion never ceases to amaze. I find myself thinking we're going to see one of these guys end up in San Antonio, and then I remember all the other years of free agency.

Why is it delusional? Was RJ delusional? Are the Spurs competiting with teams offering much more money and a better chance to win? Please explain...

[EricB]

The capacity of Spurfan for self-delusion never ceases to amaze. I find myself thinking we're going to see one of these guys end up in San Antonio, and then I remember all the other years of free agency.

?

I don't see how this summer applies to any other, but, I do agree about the foolishness of planning Rasheed into the team already and matchups and so on.

[Marcus Bryant]

I disagree MB. I know it is risky committing the money to an older player, but Sheed is far better than McDyess from a Spurs stand point. The match ups, the post presence and shooting...

I can see the Spurs giving Wallace a fully guaranteed 3 year offer starting at the full MLE. They don't make the Jefferson deal without expecting to do so, IMO.

The difference isn't that great between Wallace and McDyess. McDyess' J would give TD the spacing he needs and he rebounds at a better clip.

[DPG21920]

I don't think anyone is counting their chickens yet. But the Spurs have a legit shot at landing him.

[z0sa]

The capacity of Spurfan for self-delusion never ceases to amaze. I find myself thinking we're going to see one of these guys end up in San Antonio, and then I remember all the other years of free agency.

We're not in a Maggette situation ... we just got younger, and we're willing to pay Sheed the exact same any other contender will. Not only that, Sheed and Pop have a good relationship, Sheed knows what he would be getting in terms of the organization and the roster class-wise, and he fits a perfect hole on a contending roster - something NO other contender can tell him.

IMO, Spurs are frontrunners and its not that hard to call.

[DPG21920]

I can see the Spurs giving Wallace a fully guaranteed 3 year offer starting at the full MLE. They don't make the Jefferson deal without expecting to do so, IMO.

I agree. I just feel that people think that McDyess is almost as good as Sheed for the Spurs and I disagree. Sheed is tier one, everyone else is below that is a FA.

There are trade possibilities that are better than Sheed, but as far as FA's go...

[Sec24Row7]

The beauty of Rasheed is that he can operate so much further away from duncan than McDyess...

McDyess is an upgrade on the rebounding end to KT... and a little better shooter... but he doesn't spread the floor nearly as well as sheed... nor does he present the post to post passing that Sheed does...

With both Sheed and Timmy to pass to... Manu would go nuts... and Tony's pic and roll game would be fucking sick.

[Gant]

Rasheed Wallace: First contact


By
Jeff McDonald
on Jul 1, 09 12:18 PM | Permalink | Comments (0)

snip

Bill Strickland, Wallace's agent, would not confirm this morning that talks had commenced between the Spurs and his client. He did, however, indicate he expected the Spurs to be in the hunt.

"There's interest, mutual interest, I would say," Strickland said. "I would say the Spurs have a job to do."


http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/rasheed-wallace.html

What do you suppose this means from Wallace's agent?: ""I would say the Spurs have a job to do."

Can anybody decipher that statement?

[Vic Petro]

I agree. I just feel that people think that McDyess is almost as good as Sheed for the Spurs and I disagree. Sheed is tier one, everyone else is below that is a FA.

There are trade possibilities that are better than Sheed, but as far as FA's go...

I'm scared to death of Sheed. He played like shit last year. We can assume that was a motivation issue but we don't know that for sure. It could just be natural physical regression. To give a guy who looked like he fell of the cliff last year a new 3 year deal...I think that's a mistake. 2 year limit on the offer, please.

McDyess and Sheed are comparable in age but watching the two of them play last year, I think McDyess looked like a much more capable player.

I think Ludden and Simmons openly wondering whether Sheed can even be a shadow of what he was 3 years ago is definitely a legit concern.

I'm not saying don't go after him...even a decrepit Rasheed is bounds better than what we have now, and we need a veteran, but I think too many people are having visions of Sheed circa 2003 or 2005 or even 2007 when the 08/09 version was a vastly inferior player. I'm not convinced that lack of motivation was the sole reason for this.

[4RINGS]

OK, Let's say Sheed and Dyess go to another team. What is Plan B in your opinion???

[lefty]

Why Rasheed Wallace Would Be a Mistake for the Celtics (http://dimemag.com/2009/07/this-would-be-a-mistake-for-the-celtics/)

By Patrick Cassidy (http://dimemag.com/author/patrick-cassidy/)
http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/rasheed_wallace.jpg
Over on CelticsBlog (http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/7/1/933389/sheed-got-a-midnight-visit-from), we just saw that Danny Ainge showed up on Rasheed Wallace’s doorstep last night at midnight to give Boston’s recruiting pitch to the free agent.

That pretty much tells you, just like everyone’s been talking about for the past few days, ‘Sheed is Boston’s No. 1 free agent target this offseason. On paper, a lineup of ‘Sheed, KG, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Rajon Rondo (assuming Boston can’t swing a trade to get him out of town), looks pretty solid. But there are lots of concerns.
First off, they’re old. Whether it was because ‘Sheed just didn’t care about last season or whatever, by the time the Cavs dismissed the Pistons, he didn’t look like he had much left in the tank. Would a move to Boston rejuvenate him? Maybe. But I wouldn’t be looking for a whole lot out of Wallace beyond just hanging out at the top of the key to jack threes. Another shooter helps them, but it’s not really what they need - another athletic perimeter player who can create his own shot and take some of the scoring burden off of Paul Pierce.
And how about Rasheed’s on-court antics? Even the most die-hard Detroit fan has to admit that it’s a tired act at this point. Maybe playing with KG, Pierce and Ray will chill him out a bit.
Overall, I think Boston clearly needs to get younger and faster. Remember when the Celtics’ master plan behind drafting Len Bias was that his youth and athleticism would extend the careers of Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish? Danny Ainge needs to apply that same type of thinking to this Boston team. While there’s probably nobody out there like a Len Bias, there are guys to be had. The San Antonio Spurs just pulled off exactly what I’m talking about with their acquisition of Richard Jefferson (http://dimemag.com/2009/06/breaking-news-richard-jefferson-traded-to-the-spurs/). The Spurs moved a few bit pieces for a guy who will keep their championship contender window open a few years long just by being in the mix.
A move like that makes a ton more sense than paying for a guy who might be done.





http://dimemag.com/2009/07/this-would-be-a-mistake-for-the-celtics/

[Summers]

What do you suppose this means from Wallace's agent?: ""I would say the Spurs have a job to do."

Can anybody decipher that statement?

That caught my eye, too. I know better than to overthink things like that, but I wondered if his agent is saying the Spurs need to make a darn good pitch. The Pollyanna in me hopes he was being coy.

[z0sa]

That caught my eye, too. I know better than to overthink things like that, but I wondered if his agent is saying the Spurs need to make a darn good pitch. The Pollyanna in me hopes he was being coy.

I think he's saying these things because Sheed said he wouldn't be playing this season for MLE money. Everyone needs to make a darn good pitch about how they'll be winning rings, guaranteed pay for at least 3 seasons, etc since that's all anyone has to offer.

[ElNono]

What do you suppose this means from Wallace's agent?: ""I would say the Spurs have a job to do."

Can anybody decipher that statement?

Yeah, they need to fill up his pockets before Sheed is going anywhere...

[TFloss32]

That caught my eye, too. I know better than to overthink things like that, but I wondered if his agent is saying the Spurs need to make a darn good pitch. The Pollyanna in me hopes he was being coy.

It's natural to be pessimistic hearing a quote like that, but it kind of makes me feel like Wallace's agent is telling the Spurs that it's their race to lose. Sort of like a "hint hint" kind of deal. Call me an optimist, but this situation just feels like it's going to work out in the Spurs favor. I absolutely had no faith in the Maggette or Bourousis rumors, but this one seems to make too much sense for it not to come to fruition (especially with RJ in the mix now.) Here's to hoping...:toast.

[lcroock]

The guy broked down last year physically and his motivation is not where it needs to be. Get Mcdyess, who hasn't won a title and is more motivated than Rasheed at this stage. Cheaper and wiser decision in my opnion.

[Obstructed_View]

Why is it delusional? Was RJ delusional? Are the Spurs competiting with teams offering much more money and a better chance to win? Please explain...

RJ was a trade; don't fool yourself into believing that the Spurs won anything. The last free agent the Spurs got was Finley, and the only reason was because of the one they got right before Finley who convinced him not to go to Miami.

When it comes down to it, free agents don't go to the Spurs. The Spurs will offer the same money in a no income-tax state along with a starting job and Rasheed will still end up in Boston.

[Spursmania]

RJ was a trade; don't fool yourself into believing that the Spurs won anything. The last free agent the Spurs got was Finley, and the only reason was because of the one they got right before Finley who convinced him not to go to Miami.

When it comes down to it, free agents don't go to the Spurs. The Spurs will offer the same money in a no income-tax state along with a starting job and Rasheed will still end up in Boston.

:depressed

[Sobe_Kucks]

Yeah, they need to fill up his pockets before Sheed is going anywhere...


Exactly... If an agent says there's mutual interest but that team has some work to do. It usually isn't a nifty sales pitch. It means "show me the money"

[z0sa]

RJ was a trade; don't fool yourself into believing that the Spurs won anything. The last free agent the Spurs got was Finley, and the only reason was because of the one they got right before Finley who convinced him not to go to Miami.

When it comes down to it, free agents don't go to the Spurs. The Spurs will offer the same money in a no income-tax state along with a starting job and Rasheed will still end up in Boston.

so you have no explanation. Gotcha

[Spursmania]

http://smartmortgageadvice.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/jerrymaguiremoney.jpg

[bresilhac]

RJ was a trade; don't fool yourself into believing that the Spurs won anything. The last free agent the Spurs got was Finley, and the only reason was because of the one they got right before Finley who convinced him not to go to Miami.

When it comes down to it, free agents don't go to the Spurs. The Spurs will offer the same money in a no income-tax state along with a starting job and Rasheed will still end up in Boston.

You're being too pessimistic about this. San Antonio has a great shot at landing Rasheed. Particularly since Wallace indicated in February that he wants to play alongside Tim Duncan. Besides coming off the bench for Boston would not suit Rasheed too well. San Antonio's future is brighter than Boston's and I believe Wallace is aware of that.

http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2009/02/espn_rasheed_wallace_wants_to.html

[4RINGS]

RJ was a trade; don't fool yourself into believing that the Spurs won anything. The last free agent the Spurs got was Finley, and the only reason was because of the one they got right before Finley who convinced him not to go to Miami.

When it comes down to it, free agents don't go to the Spurs. The Spurs will offer the same money in a no income-tax state along with a starting job and Rasheed will still end up in Boston.


I kind of agree with you on this one, the longer Sheed takes to make up his mind, the chances for us to land him will drop. Sheed seems more of an Eastern Conf guy... I hope I am wrong on this one. I think Sheed will prefer the ESPN comm. with Garnett vs. the HEB comm. in SA. Damn, I hate that...

[Spursmania]

http://www.theonion.com/content/files/images/Sidebox-Rasheed-Wallace.jpg

This man is wanted...

[DPG21920]

RJ was a trade; don't fool yourself into believing that the Spurs won anything. The last free agent the Spurs got was Finley, and the only reason was because of the one they got right before Finley who convinced him not to go to Miami.

When it comes down to it, free agents don't go to the Spurs. The Spurs will offer the same money in a no income-tax state along with a starting job and Rasheed will still end up in Boston.

Who said the Spurs have won anything? I have said from the start that the RJ trade means nothing unless other moves are made.

Spurs did get Finley and Gooden. Spurs are not competiting against teams with more money or a better situation. This is a different scenario and a different team. Tim and Sheed are friends and the Spurs are doing things they have never done before. Could just be in the cards.

I in no way am saying Sheed is a lock, but I am refuting your claim that it is some kind of pipe dream. He may or may not come, but it won't be because of old reasons.

[z0sa]

^^ i'm pretty sure he's got something else in mind when he posted that.

[Obstructed_View]

so you have no explanation. Gotcha

No explanation for why free agents don't go to San Antonio? Not really. It's one of the best cities in the world and has a great basketball team. Rasheed's going to go to whoever pays him the most, though, and the Spurs aren't one of those teams. If Rasheed wanted to come to San Antonio he'd have already made the decision because there's not anything additional for the Spurs to offer. His agent has to know that, and is pretty much saying that 'sheed to SA is dead.

I did forget about Drew Gooden, but that's mainly because most Spurs fans think he's shit and don't want to try to keep him in town.

[Sobe_Kucks]

http://smartmortgageadvice.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/jerrymaguiremoney.jpg


:lmao

[DPG21920]

No explanation for why free agents don't go to San Antonio? Not really. It's one of the best cities in the world and has a great basketball team. Rasheed's going to go to whoever pays him the most, though, and the Spurs aren't one of those teams. If Rasheed wanted to come to San Antonio he'd have already made the decision because there's not anything additional for the Spurs to offer. His agent has to know that, and is pretty much saying that 'sheed to SA is dead.

I did forget about Drew Gooden, but that's mainly because most Spurs fans think he's shit and don't want to try to keep him in town.

What? The Spurs are the team that can offer him the "most money". They have the full MLE, so do the other teams.

Why would he make the decision already? If everyone that is after him offers him the same money, then he would have to decide where his best fit is. That is not as easy as you make it out to be.

[bigdog]

No explanation for why free agents don't go to San Antonio? Not really. It's one of the best cities in the world and has a great basketball team. Rasheed's going to go to whoever pays him the most, though, and the Spurs aren't one of those teams. If Rasheed wanted to come to San Antonio he'd have already made the decision because there's not anything additional for the Spurs to offer. His agent has to know that, and is pretty much saying that 'sheed to SA is dead.

I did forget about Drew Gooden, but that's mainly because most Spurs fans think he's shit and don't want to try to keep him in town.

No team is going to pay Sheed more than the Spurs can. The most Sheed can get is the full MLE, which is what the Spurs, along with the other teams he might want to go to, can offer. Your post made no sense. The Spurs have just as good a shot, if not better, to get Sheed than anyone else.

[EricB]

I wouldn't say "better" but yeah the spurs have as good as any.

[Obstructed_View]

No team is going to pay Sheed more than the Spurs can. The most Sheed can get is the full MLE, which is what the Spurs, along with the other teams he might want to go to, can offer. Your post made no sense. The Spurs have just as good a shot, if not better, to get Sheed than anyone else.

As I said, hope springs eternal for Spurfan.

[Muser]

This is why I like to take the "Don't get excited and pumped up before it happens" path. If he comes then great.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

No team is going to pay Sheed more than the Spurs can. The most Sheed can get is the full MLE, which is what the Spurs, along with the other teams he might want to go to, can offer. Your post made no sense. The Spurs have just as good a shot, if not better, to get Sheed than anyone else.

There's a difference between a 2yr deal at MLE and a 3 ( or 4 ) year deal at MLE. It's not true we would offer as much as anyone else.

[DPG21920]

As I said, hope springs eternal for Spurfan.

With reason. You have given no logical reason why the Spurs have a worse chance...

Didn't you also say RJ was impossible because the Spurs don't make trades or teams do not trade with them?

[4RINGS]

There's a difference between a 2yr deal at MLE and a 3 ( or 4 ) year deal at MLE. It's not true we would offer as much as anyone else.

Boston will prob. offer a 3-4 mle contract.

[DPG21920]

This is why I like to take the "Don't get excited and pumped up before it happens" path. If he comes then great.

I think everyone realizes this for the most part. Very few on here are acting like Sheed is already a Spur. The point is that the Spurs have a legit shot regardless if Sheed lands here or not.



There's a difference between a 2yr deal at MLE and a 3 ( or 4 ) year deal at MLE. It's not true we would offer as much as anyone else.

Who say the Spurs would not? Who says the other teams would offer 3 year deals? Link?

[Obstructed_View]

With reason. You have given no logical reason why the Spurs have a worse chance...
I'm sorry...at what point did you think there was a logical reason?


Didn't you also say RJ was impossible because the Spurs don't make trades or teams do not trade with them?

Um...no. I didn't even know RJ was a possibility until I read the posts on here that the Spurs had gotten him. They've made good trades in the past as well. Again, trades aren't remotely the same thing as attracting someone of their own free will.

[ffadicted]

Who say the Spurs would not? Who says the other teams would offer 3 year deals? Link?

After we dipped into the lux tax to get RJ, I'll believe anything the spurs do.

But offering a 4 year contract to a 35 year old wallace at the MLE seems a bit misguided, I think that's what he was meaning to say

[DPG21920]

I'm sorry...at what point did you think there was a logical reason?



Um...no. I didn't even know RJ was a possibility until I read the posts on here that the Spurs had gotten him. They've made good trades in the past as well. Again, trades aren't remotely the same thing as attracting someone of their own free will.

Are you trying to say there is no logical reason given that the Spurs could land Sheed or that there is no logical reason on why the Spurs have struck out in the past via FA?

Didn't know RJ was a possibility? Many of us discussed this far before the trade took place and started threads about it. They have not made trades of this magnitude (getting a star with giving up so little while going into the lux tax).

I agree it is different than FA signings, but the Spurs have a realistic shot.

1) Not going to be outbid if they do not want to be.
2) Tim is a friend
3) Respects Pop as a coach
4) Chance for a significant role
5) Chance to win a title.

[Mugen]

didnt boston not wanna given an extra year to James Posey last year?

[DPG21920]

After we dipped into the lux tax to get RJ, I'll believe anything the spurs do.

But offering a 4 year contract to a 35 year old wallace at the MLE seems a bit misguided, I think that's what he was meaning to say

Ok, that is not the point though. The Spurs COULD do it if they wanted. Will they? I do not know. But they are not competiting with teams with more money.

Other teams probably think the same thing about Sheed as well.

[Obstructed_View]

Are you trying to say there is no logical reason given that the Spurs could land Sheed or that there is no logical reason on why the Spurs have struck out in the past via FA?

There's no logical reason why the Spurs shouldn't land Rasheed, and there's no logical reason the Spurs have had such poor luck attracting free agents. The latter trumps the former, but I still find myself being buoyed by the optimism on this board. I thought it worthy of comment.


Didn't know RJ was a possibility? Many of us discussed this far before the trade took place and started threads about it. They have not made trades of this magnitude (getting a star with giving up so little while going into the lux tax).
Yeah, you'll forgive me for ignoring threads entitled "trade idea" over the last month. They've made big trades before, but any discussion before last week that the Spurs were going to exceed the cap would have been laughed at, because the Spurs never did that before.



I agree it is different than FA signings, but the Spurs have a realistic shot.

1) Not going to be outbid if they do not want to be.
2) Tim is a friend
3) Respects Pop as a coach
4) Chance for a significant role
5) Chance to win a title.

Makes perfect sense to me. When he's a Celtic we'll all be scratching our heads.

[DPG21920]

There's no logical reason why the Spurs shouldn't land Rasheed, and there's no logical reason the Spurs have had such poor luck attracting free agents. The latter trumps the former, but I still find myself being buoyed by the optimism on this board. I thought it worthy of comment.


Yeah, you'll forgive me for ignoring threads entitled "trade idea" over the last month.



Makes perfect sense to me. When he's a Celtic we'll all be scratching our heads.

Did you ignore the threads entitle "Trade Prospects Richard Jefferson" in the think tank :lol

I agree, he very well could be a Celtic. I am not at all counting him in. I just thought you were trying to say the Spurs have no shot. But you are correct, if history repeats itself, then it does not look good.

But if you look it at just statistically, the odds are not good. If there are 4 legit teams after him (Spurs, Cavs, Orlando and Boston) and they all have the same money, the Spurs only have a 25% chance anyways.

Now, that does not take into consideration other factors, but just money.

[Extra Stout]

Bruce Bowen
Rasho Nesterovic
Robert Horry
Brent Barry
Michael Finley
Roger Mason, Jr.

Free agents never come to San Antonio.

[lefty]

Wallace won't be coming to San Antonio

Who the hell is that retard ? :donkey


July 1, 2:41 PM






On your mark. Get set. Eh.
The NBA free agent carnival began last night at midnight (EST) but there’s no reason to rush. While teams and players can start negotiating, they’ll have to wait till July 8th to get a deal done. It’s also the reopening of the trade window, where you should expect to see a few sign and trade deals.
With teams like Atlanta, Detroit, Toronto, Memphis, Sacramento and Oklahoma City dangling cap space – only the Pistons and Hawks are real playoff contenders.
But with next summer looming and free agent names like Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh expected to be available; teams won’t be spending for the sake of spending.
Carlos Boozer, for example, may have calculated that there will be more options a season from now and he’s probably right. Earlier proclaiming that he would opt out of the final year of a deal paying him over $12 million, Boozer will stay in Utah for another season.
The names getting the most love this offseason are Hedo Turkoglu, Ben Gordon, Jason Kidd and Rasheed Wallace. Reports have Toronto, Portland and Detroit all coveting Turkoglu. If he wants to win a championship, he’ll resign with Orlando.
Gordon, who sought a multi-year deal last offseason, originally turned down Chicago’s 6-year, $59 million dollar offer and ultimately signed a one-year tender for just over $6 million. Gordon will be lucky to get a similar multi-year deal that he scoffed at a season ago considering both the economy and the number of teams with cap space.
Gordon either has terrible management or has a terribly inflated idea of his value. He’s a decent player and good scorer who will never make an All Star team. Oh yeah, that’s worth $10 million in the NBA (see below).
Kidd is trying to get a ring. Or so he says. While Dallas has the inside track and there are talks about New York, the Lakers may be his most intriguing suitor. With Orlando, Boston, Cleveland and San Antonio reloading, LA is just trying to hang onto Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza to stay in the mix. Realistically, Dallas does not have enough ammo to compete for the NBA Championship but they can probably offer Kidd the most money. You'll know how serious Kidd is about a title if he goes anywhere other than LA.
As for Wallace, strap in Spurs’ fans, this will get dicey. It’s believed San Antonio, Orlando and Boston are at the top of the list to land the services of the 4-time All-Star. Despite some reporting the Spurs as the frontrunner, don’t count on it.
Didn’t Corey Maggette have San Antonio at the top of his list last year, too?
That was until Golden State gave him a 5-year deal worth nearly $50 million. Maggette is not quite the scorer that Gordon is but he’s a better all around talent who can play a couple of positions.
Regardless, the Warriors’ offer took the Spurs out of the discussion before settling for Roger Mason.
While Mason was a good value signing, he’s not near the talent of a Corey Maggette. But he was the right price.
With Kevin Garnett personally seeking out Wallace, expect Boston to steal the mercurial power forward forcing San Antonio to plan B, which some speculate will involve Wallace’s Detroit teammate Antonio McDyess. Whether it's plan B, C or D it'll be surprising to see Wallace choose the Spurs over Garnett or Orlando. In either case, he'll make about the same money and play in a much easier conference.
You can take a night off in the East and make the playoffs, the West is a different animal.
Regardless, expect more speculation over the next week, including here, as the top tier teams in the league jockey for that one player they think can take them over the top. Expect others, including Allen Iverson, waiting by the window.
Players like David Lee, Charlie Villanueva and Marcin Gortat will garner more league-wide interest than AI, whose best option might be to reunite with former coach Larry Brown in Charlotte.
Despite the economy and history of free agency, teams will be shopping this summer. They always do.
There's also always a line of guys that will play for $5 million, too - especially when they realize they can't get more. This is one of those seasons.
Even in major pro sports the money is drying up and the smart teams are looking for values, discounts and team fits -- first.

http://www.examiner.com/x-14479-San-Antonio-Spurs-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Wallace-wont-be-coming-to-San-Antonio (http://www.examiner.com/x-14479-San-Antonio-Spurs-Examiner%7Ey2009m7d1-Wallace-wont-be-coming-to-San-Antonio)

[4RINGS]

Wallace won't be coming to San Antonio

Who the hell is that retard ? :donkey


July 1, 2:41 PM






On your mark. Get set. Eh.
The NBA free agent carnival began last night at midnight (EST) but there’s no reason to rush. While teams and players can start negotiating, they’ll have to wait till July 8th to get a deal done. It’s also the reopening of the trade window, where you should expect to see a few sign and trade deals.
With teams like Atlanta, Detroit, Toronto, Memphis, Sacramento and Oklahoma City dangling cap space – only the Pistons and Hawks are real playoff contenders.
But with next summer looming and free agent names like Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh expected to be available; teams won’t be spending for the sake of spending.
Carlos Boozer, for example, may have calculated that there will be more options a season from now and he’s probably right. Earlier proclaiming that he would opt out of the final year of a deal paying him over $12 million, Boozer will stay in Utah for another season.
The names getting the most love this offseason are Hedo Turkoglu, Ben Gordon, Jason Kidd and Rasheed Wallace. Reports have Toronto, Portland and Detroit all coveting Turkoglu. If he wants to win a championship, he’ll resign with Orlando.
Gordon, who sought a multi-year deal last offseason, originally turned down Chicago’s 6-year, $59 million dollar offer and ultimately signed a one-year tender for just over $6 million. Gordon will be lucky to get a similar multi-year deal that he scoffed at a season ago considering both the economy and the number of teams with cap space.
Gordon either has terrible management or has a terribly inflated idea of his value. He’s a decent player and good scorer who will never make an All Star team. Oh yeah, that’s worth $10 million in the NBA (see below).
Kidd is trying to get a ring. Or so he says. While Dallas has the inside track and there are talks about New York, the Lakers may be his most intriguing suitor. With Orlando, Boston, Cleveland and San Antonio reloading, LA is just trying to hang onto Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza to stay in the mix. Realistically, Dallas does not have enough ammo to compete for the NBA Championship but they can probably offer Kidd the most money. You'll know how serious Kidd is about a title if he goes anywhere other than LA.
As for Wallace, strap in Spurs’ fans, this will get dicey. It’s believed San Antonio, Orlando and Boston are at the top of the list to land the services of the 4-time All-Star. Despite some reporting the Spurs as the frontrunner, don’t count on it.
Didn’t Corey Maggette have San Antonio at the top of his list last year, too?
That was until Golden State gave him a 5-year deal worth nearly $50 million. Maggette is not quite the scorer that Gordon is but he’s a better all around talent who can play a couple of positions.
Regardless, the Warriors’ offer took the Spurs out of the discussion before settling for Roger Mason.
While Mason was a good value signing, he’s not near the talent of a Corey Maggette. But he was the right price.
With Kevin Garnett personally seeking out Wallace, expect Boston to steal the mercurial power forward forcing San Antonio to plan B, which some speculate will involve Wallace’s Detroit teammate Antonio McDyess. Whether it's plan B, C or D it'll be surprising to see Wallace choose the Spurs over Garnett or Orlando. In either case, he'll make about the same money and play in a much easier conference.
You can take a night off in the East and make the playoffs, the West is a different animal.
Regardless, expect more speculation over the next week, including here, as the top tier teams in the league jockey for that one player they think can take them over the top. Expect others, including Allen Iverson, waiting by the window.
Players like David Lee, Charlie Villanueva and Marcin Gortat will garner more league-wide interest than AI, whose best option might be to reunite with former coach Larry Brown in Charlotte.
Despite the economy and history of free agency, teams will be shopping this summer. They always do.
There's also always a line of guys that will play for $5 million, too - especially when they realize they can't get more. This is one of those seasons.
Even in major pro sports the money is drying up and the smart teams are looking for values, discounts and team fits -- first.

http://www.examiner.com/x-14479-San-Antonio-Spurs-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Wallace-wont-be-coming-to-San-Antonio

Let's get over Sheed now... he is not coming... Time for plan B...

Start up the "we don't want Sheed anyway threads"

[Sobe_Kucks]

San Antonio's biggest positive/s to offer are being a class organization, full of coachable team players, some of which are the best or at least top 5 in the NBA at their position and of course they have the history of being recent NBA champs. This is a battle tested team ready to make a run at a title. There is a very short list of teams like this in the NBA. Everyone here and around the world knows this... it all sounds great. San Antonio also had that when Karl Malone and others decided to go elsewhere. We also had that when Brent Barry, Steve Kerr and Finley chose San Antonio (granted the championship history was not as deep at that time). Point is, it takes a certain type of player to be a Spur if you know what I mean. Rodman grabbed his rings with MJ not with "Five-O." Let's just say a guy like that is not a "San Antonio" guy.

You can't say SA is the best city in the world. It depends A LOT on who you are asking. Gotta step outside the homer realm and see the city for what it is. SA is not a LA/New York type place, alive and moving. The town itself is not a draw for superstars. It doesn't even have a real skyline. The town isn't crawling with actresses or supermodels nor will you have the paparazzi shooting pics of you and Paris Hilton (skank) at some lame club opening . SA is a small market town where you become a star in the community as well as in the local public. You are actually "part" of a community here. That matters to some when choosing where to play; some embrace it and to others it's a major turn off. Those guys would rather be partying in South Beach or in the limelight in LA/NY. I don't know if Sheed is one to pick a city like SA over Boston? Is he one to do HEB commercials or try his hand at speaking Spanish on TV with Manu for Comcast??? Those are the sort of things SA players do. Plus keep in mind none of this may matter at all... if he's chasing the almighty dollar rather than a ring, we'll be out of the mix. San Antonio cannot win a bidding war for Sheed with the MLE. So is Sheed an SA type of guy??? I don't know the anser to that question and I don't think anyone on this board does. Thus the final answer... we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

[Obstructed_View]

Did you ignore the threads entitle "Trade Prospects Richard Jefferson" in the think tank :lol

I don't think I opened a single trade prospect thread; there's just too much speculation to try to guess what's going to happen.

To sum up: NO I didn't say that the Spurs couldn't trade for Jefferson because nobody trades with the Spurs. :lol

[Gant]

I agree it is different than FA signings, but the Spurs have a realistic shot.

1) Not going to be outbid if they do not want to be.
2) Tim is a friend
3) Respects Pop as a coach
4) Chance for a significant role
5) Chance to win a title.

The Spurs do have a realistic shot. The Celtics and Spurs are in very similar positions and offer very similar attractions to Rasheed:

The Celtics ownership has been willing to spend to win so,

1) Not going to be outbid if they don't want to be (unless someone offers over the MLE)
2) KG is a very close friend
3) Respects Doc as a coach
4) Will get a significant role (starter minutes off the bench)
5) Chance to win a title

If you look these lists there's not much to choose between the two teams and Rasheed would do well going to either place.

[Extra Stout]

Now we're firmly into stupid season.

A couple of days ago, people were speculating that Antonio McDyess was set to re-up in Detroit, so he was off the table.

So attention focused on Rasheed Wallace.

Meanwhile, speculation about McDyess changed, sending him to Boston instead.

Yesterday, people were speculating with little grounds that San Antonio was the frontrunner for Rasheed Wallace.

Today, a report came out that Boston is interested in Wallace. So now people are speculating that Wallace has already decided on Boston and it is time to go elsewhere.

So now people are speculating that the Spurs are after Zaza Pachulia. Or is it Marcin Gortat? Oh yeah, Houston placed a phone call, so he's off the table.

People are on this roller coaster of who the Spurs may or may not get, and free agent season is less than 16 hours old. Nobody knows anything. Particular players are moving in and out of people's sights based upon nothing but baseless speculation. Hopes are rising and falling based on nothing. We won't know anything at all until teams announce player signings.

Summer is so freaking absurd.

[Sobe_Kucks]

Let's get over Sheed now... he is not coming... Time for plan B...

Start up the "we don't want Sheed anyway threads"

HA! The Sheed is overated thread....

In that entire article the biggest part that I took from that was a lot truth in saying that playing in the East is a helluva lot easier than playing the West. It's a dogfight in the West with a lot of good teams beating the snot out of each other day in and day out.

[Extra Stout]

Is the West really that great anymore? This isn't two years ago when the 9 seed had 49 wins. Dallas, Houston, and New Orleans and Phoenix are all headed in reverse.

[4RINGS]

HA! The Sheed is overated thread....

In that entire article the biggest part that I took from that was a lot truth in saying that playing in the East is a helluva lot easier than playing the West. It's a dogfight in the West with a lot of good teams beating the snot out of each other day in and day out.


Hahaha.. we had to "settle" for Mason, when Cory Mag. signed elsewhere..:chestbump ... it all worked out for the Spurs... :flag:

[crc21209]

Is the West really that great anymore? This isn't two years ago when the 9 seed had 49 wins. Dallas, Houston, and New Orleans and Phoenix are all headed in reverse.

It's not what it used to be. And thats why I think that article a couple posts up is crap. In the West you have LA, San Antonio, and maaaybe Denver as "major threats." Dallas, New Orleans, Utah, Phx are all a notch lower. In the East for sure you have Orlando, Cleveland with LeBron AND Shaq now, and the "big 3" in Boston. Also a young up and coming Hawks team and even D-Wade in Miami, a rising Chicago team as well. In my opinion the East may be better overall than the West right now....

[crc21209]

Wallace won't be coming to San Antonio

Who the hell is that retard ? :donkey


July 1, 2:41 PM






On your mark. Get set. Eh.
The NBA free agent carnival began last night at midnight (EST) but there’s no reason to rush. While teams and players can start negotiating, they’ll have to wait till July 8th to get a deal done. It’s also the reopening of the trade window, where you should expect to see a few sign and trade deals.
With teams like Atlanta, Detroit, Toronto, Memphis, Sacramento and Oklahoma City dangling cap space – only the Pistons and Hawks are real playoff contenders.
But with next summer looming and free agent names like Lebron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh expected to be available; teams won’t be spending for the sake of spending.
Carlos Boozer, for example, may have calculated that there will be more options a season from now and he’s probably right. Earlier proclaiming that he would opt out of the final year of a deal paying him over $12 million, Boozer will stay in Utah for another season.
The names getting the most love this offseason are Hedo Turkoglu, Ben Gordon, Jason Kidd and Rasheed Wallace. Reports have Toronto, Portland and Detroit all coveting Turkoglu. If he wants to win a championship, he’ll resign with Orlando.
Gordon, who sought a multi-year deal last offseason, originally turned down Chicago’s 6-year, $59 million dollar offer and ultimately signed a one-year tender for just over $6 million. Gordon will be lucky to get a similar multi-year deal that he scoffed at a season ago considering both the economy and the number of teams with cap space.
Gordon either has terrible management or has a terribly inflated idea of his value. He’s a decent player and good scorer who will never make an All Star team. Oh yeah, that’s worth $10 million in the NBA (see below).
Kidd is trying to get a ring. Or so he says. While Dallas has the inside track and there are talks about New York, the Lakers may be his most intriguing suitor. With Orlando, Boston, Cleveland and San Antonio reloading, LA is just trying to hang onto Lamar Odom and Trevor Ariza to stay in the mix. Realistically, Dallas does not have enough ammo to compete for the NBA Championship but they can probably offer Kidd the most money. You'll know how serious Kidd is about a title if he goes anywhere other than LA.
As for Wallace, strap in Spurs’ fans, this will get dicey. It’s believed San Antonio, Orlando and Boston are at the top of the list to land the services of the 4-time All-Star. Despite some reporting the Spurs as the frontrunner, don’t count on it.
Didn’t Corey Maggette have San Antonio at the top of his list last year, too?
That was until Golden State gave him a 5-year deal worth nearly $50 million. Maggette is not quite the scorer that Gordon is but he’s a better all around talent who can play a couple of positions.
Regardless, the Warriors’ offer took the Spurs out of the discussion before settling for Roger Mason.
While Mason was a good value signing, he’s not near the talent of a Corey Maggette. But he was the right price.
With Kevin Garnett personally seeking out Wallace, expect Boston to steal the mercurial power forward forcing San Antonio to plan B, which some speculate will involve Wallace’s Detroit teammate Antonio McDyess. Whether it's plan B, C or D it'll be surprising to see Wallace choose the Spurs over Garnett or Orlando. In either case, he'll make about the same money and play in a much easier conference.
You can take a night off in the East and make the playoffs, the West is a different animal.
Regardless, expect more speculation over the next week, including here, as the top tier teams in the league jockey for that one player they think can take them over the top. Expect others, including Allen Iverson, waiting by the window.
Players like David Lee, Charlie Villanueva and Marcin Gortat will garner more league-wide interest than AI, whose best option might be to reunite with former coach Larry Brown in Charlotte.
Despite the economy and history of free agency, teams will be shopping this summer. They always do.
There's also always a line of guys that will play for $5 million, too - especially when they realize they can't get more. This is one of those seasons.
Even in major pro sports the money is drying up and the smart teams are looking for values, discounts and team fits -- first.

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What does this guy know about basketball? :lol. Seriously, I think he doesnt know jack shit about the Spurs. Bottom line is, every team in the running for Sheed can offer the same amount of money. Orlando is said to be "out of the race", Cleveland has their eyes set on Charlie V. So that leaves Boston and San Antonio. I also read somewhere Sheed isnt so sure about Boston because of the egos there and the "Rondo situation." If Sheed was smart he would come here. Better coach in Pop, younger "big 3" in TP, TD, and Manu...and now add RJ to the mix, warm weather as he wanted, and in San Antonio he is GUARANSHEED a starting spot. AND come on let's face it...silver and black is waaay more bad ass than green and white. :lol

[Extra Stout]

Don't forget Portland. They're still rising.

Utah's probably peaked already.

[bthewigwam]

I agree that a lot that free agency is still pretty young and we don't know anything yet but doesn't all of the reports coming out today point to the C's being more aggressive than the Spurs with Sheed? I'd feel better if I saw the Spurs or Duncan had some sort of communication with him right now. Or if I had a shot of tequila.

[Vic Petro]

If it comes down to MLE for McDyess for 2 years

vs.

MLE for Wallace for 3 or 4 years

Give me McDyess every time. I want no part of paying a 39/40 year old Rasheed 6 million dollars to be disgruntled.

[Sobe_Kucks]

Is the West really that great anymore? This isn't two years ago when the 9 seed had 49 wins. Dallas, Houston, and New Orleans and Phoenix are all headed in reverse.

Don't forget Portland is up and coming. Dallas/Utah don't have championship teams but they are still going to be strong. Rockets without Yao (if they re-sign Artest) took the Lakers to 7 games. They're still in the division.

[4RINGS]

I agree that a lot that free agency is still pretty young and we don't know anything yet but doesn't all of the reports coming out today point to the C's being more aggressive than the Spurs with Sheed? I'd feel better if I saw the Spurs or Duncan had some sort of communication with him right now. Or if I had a shot of tequila.

Let's all have a few shots of tequila and FA will make alot more sense. hahaha :drunk:smokin:drunk:smokin

[Extra Stout]

I agree that a lot that free agency is still pretty young and we don't know anything yet but doesn't all of the reports coming out today point to the C's being more aggressive than the Spurs with Sheed? I'd feel better if I saw the Spurs or Duncan had some sort of communication with him right now. Or if I had a shot of tequila.
The reports today indicate the C's being more aggressive in communicating their contact with Sheed to the media.

The Spurs are not an open book.

Relax.