Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...

[lurker23]

Down sceeens? Curls? No way.

Well, I understand where you're coming from; the fact that we're talking about it being "added to the playbook" indicates that it never really happens at the moment. I was just going over the list of players in my head who were CAPABLE of hitting those type of shots, not necessarily who make it their forte or shot of choice. If this type of shot is in McDyess's comfort range, it'll be nice to see it added to the repertoire, should Pop so choose.

[JGrice02]

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/6876/dicechart.jpg

That is McDyess' shooting chart from these playoffs :wow

The nice thing is that Duncan likes to post up on the left side where McDyess has those grey numbers. Let McDyess stay on the other side and he'll be right in his sweet spot.

He was only 20-31 on dunks and layups? Man, that sucks...

[Marcus Bryant]

How many were contested? Who was superior in the playoffs from that range?

[coyotes_geek]

He was only 20-31 on dunks and layups? Man, that sucks...

Tip in attempts too. We've all seen bigs get caught in the scrum under the rim where a guy will get 3 or 4 attempts to tip in a shot but he can't because he's surrounded. Maybe that happened to Dyess once or twice.

[ohmwrecker]

He was only 20-31 on dunks and layups? Man, that sucks...

Let Tim have the layups and dunks. Put McDyess on the high post, right side. If Tim gets doubled, McDyess gets an open jumper.

[Spursfan092120]

He was only 20-31 on dunks and layups? Man, that sucks...
a lot of those were probably fouls as well.

[Marcus Bryant]

Starters
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Jefferson
4 Duncan
5 McDyess

Bench
1 Hill
2 Mason
2/3 Bowen
3 Nocioni
4 Haislip
4 Blair
4/5 Mahinmi

IR
1/2 McClinton
2/3 Hairston
4 Gist

Deal Finley, Bonner, Williams, and perhaps the 2010 1st rounder to Sacto for Nocioni. Re-sign Bowen. The bigman rotation would be a bit young outside of the starters, so perhaps you deal for Foster from Indiana instead. The Haislip signing is curious unless the Spurs intend to do something with Mahinmi, they feel that confident in the young triumvariate....or they will start our Haislip in Austin, but the latter doesn't really make any sense. I think for certain we will see a trade and the writing is on the wall for Finley and Bonner being moved.

[Behrooz24]

He was only 20-31 on dunks and layups? Man, that sucks...

Duncan was worse. 90-178 .506
http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

[StoneBuddha]

Down sceeens? Curls? No way.

Actually, they run that play a fair amount for Duncan. He gets a pin down screen and curls to the free throw line for the short jumper. Duncan even shoots it in rhythm off the screen. I know I've seen that play very regularly the last few years.

[Ariel]

Spurs out in front for McDyess
By Jeff McDonald on Jul 7, 09 05:14 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) Save & Share Yahoo! BuzzYahoo! Newsvine del.icio.us Facebook Google Reddit Fark
The Spurs have emerged as the frontrunner in the chase to land free-agent forward Antonio McDyess.

According to a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations, the Spurs have offered McDyess a three-year deal starting at the full mid-level exception, with the third year partially guaranteed.
It has been widely speculated that McDyess, 34, will play only two more years. If the Spurs' rumored bid is true, the Spurs have essentially sweetened their best offer by guaranteeing McDyess a bit of money for retirement in 2011-12.

The 6-foot-9 McDyess emerged as the Spurs' top target after Rasheed Wallace -- McDyess' former teammate in Detroit -- agreed to terms with Boston earlier this week. He is also being pursued by Cleveland and Orlando.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/spurs-out-in-fr.html
:clap :spin :downspin: :elephant :drool: :hungry: :lobt2:

[lurker23]

As a comparison for percentages, here's Dwight Howard's chart from the regular season.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1664/picture1dsw.png

Notice the percentage in that same area. (McDyess's in the playoffs was 20-31, or .645)

[completely deck]

I've always known it, but seeing that made me really understand how much Howard lives in the paint.

[timvp]

Actually, they run that play a fair amount for Duncan. He gets a pin down screen and curls to the free throw line for the short jumper. Duncan even shoots it in rhythm off the screen. I know I've seen that play very regularly the last few years.

True. Pop calls those plays for Duncan out of a timeout. Probably about once ever other game. However, if there is a physical defender on Duncan, Pop will call it multiple times per game.

Duncan is definitely capable of finishing those plays. IMO, the only reason Pop doesn't go to it more is because it doesn't allow Duncan to create -- it's only a catch and shoot.

That said, with Pop looking to have Duncan post-up less in the regular season, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw those types of plays more often in the next few years. Pop could revert back to the perimeter plays he ran for Duncan back when the Triple Towers were in effect :hat

[StoneBuddha]

And how little offensive game Howard has if he isn't dunking or drop stepping in the post.

[lurker23]

The Haislip signing is curious unless the Spurs intend to do something with Mahinmi, they feel that confident in the young triumvariate....or they will start our Haislip in Austin, but the latter doesn't really make any sense.

Since Haislip has been in the NBA before for 2+ years, isn't he ineligible for Austin?

[Libri]

Duncan was worse. 90-178 .506
http://www.nba.com/hotspots/

The Spurs are not known for dunking. There was link posted a few months ago and the Spurs were one of the worst teams in that category. This could change with the addition of Mahinmi and Haislip.

[completely deck]

Dunks are high percentage shots but ... not the keys to victory. Spread that floor!

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs are not known for dunking. There was link posted a few months ago and the Spurs were one of the worst teams in that category. This could change with the addition of Mahinmi and Haislip.

And McDyess and Blair and Gist and Hairston.

[timvp]

He was only 20-31 on dunks and layups? Man, that sucks...

That's actually damn good. That's better than any Spurs player in last year's regular season. Anything above 60% is elite. 66% is usually top ten in the entire NBA.

[tav1]

Backup SF isn't at all a problem. RJ plays tons of minutes, Fin can play some minutes or Spurs can play with a 3 guard lineup.

Even if Spurs get Dice, the main "issue" will be at PF/C.

I disagree. I think that the Spurs are more or less fine at PF with McDyess. Their reserve small forward role is not in a crisis or anything, but it's the one place on the roster where they could could improve themselves in terms production per minute. If the Spurs find someway to get a solid 12 - 15 minutes per game behind Jefferson, they'll roll over the West, minus LA.

I just don't see Finley as a viable option at this point. His defense is too slack. Although, I have no doubt the Spurs plan to go with Fin. Hairston and Williams are not the answer either.

[Mavs<Spurs]

If this is true, thank you Peter Holt and good job Front Office.
I hope McDyess accepts this offer !

:toast

[bigdog]

Hmmm....isn't the same guy that said the Spurs were the favorites to get Maggette?

[ohmwrecker]

Haislip and Mahinmi have different skill sets. If anything Haislip's signing spells trouble for Gist. Sorry Gistheads.

[Obstructed_View]

Haislip and Mahinmi have different skill sets. If anything Haislip's signing spells trouble for Gist. Sorry Gistheads.

The Spurs need bodies to fill out the roster, and the cheapest way to do that is with minimum contracts for second round picks, right? A spot on the roster is Gist's to lose during SL.

[vander]

Dunks are high percentage shots but ... not the keys to victory. Spread that floor!

I agree, we need a Big who can spread the floor, a cheap role player who can hit the open 3, perhaps a redhead...

[crc21209]

Hmmm....isn't the same guy that said the Spurs were the favorites to get Maggette?

Yeah but to his credit everyone did think the Spurs were the favorites, and no one was going to take him unless they offered a crazy deal which GS ended up doing. And let's face it...no one is going to offer McDyess "crazy money". And if you think about it also...Maggette was about the money and had a "balla" type of attitude. Dyess wants to win a ring now. Plus that guy from Yahoo has been right multiple times. He reported the Kurt Thomas trade and the Jefferson trade.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Starters
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Jefferson
4 Duncan
5 McDyess

Bench
1 Hill
2 Mason
2/3 Bowen
3 Nocioni
4 Haislip
4 Blair
4/5 Mahinmi

IR
1/2 McClinton
2/3 Hairston
4 Gist

Deal Finley, Bonner, Williams, and perhaps the 2010 1st rounder to Sacto for Nocioni. Re-sign Bowen. The bigman rotation would be a bit young outside of the starters, so perhaps you deal for Foster from Indiana instead. The Haislip signing is curious unless the Spurs intend to do something with Mahinmi, they feel that confident in the young triumvariate....or they will start our Haislip in Austin, but the latter doesn't really make any sense. I think for certain we will see a trade and the writing is on the wall for Finley and Bonner being moved.

Well, that's a lot of food for thought. Getting Bowen back and getting rid of Finely would be excellent. Obtaining Nocioni would be amazing. I hate to see McClinton on injured reserve. Obviously, with those players that's what would have to happen.

It would be a very young, athletic team. There would be five players on the floor who can score as starters. It would be a solid defensive starting five. And between Nocioni and Blair, there would be some major energy/hustle/rebounding guys. There would be some real toughness. This would be good also in terms of not running a slow-down, throw the ball into the post offense which isn't the best choice any more.

[timvp]

I disagree. I think that the Spurs are more or less fine at PF with McDyess. Their reserve small forward role is not in a crisis or anything, but it's the one place on the roster where they could could improve themselves in terms production per minute. If the Spurs find someway to get a solid 12 - 15 minutes per game behind Jefferson, they'll roll over the West, minus LA.

I just don't see Finley as a viable option at this point. His defense is too slack. Although, I have no doubt the Spurs plan to go with Fin. Hairston and Williams are not the answer either.

I have to agree with Bruno. The Spurs could use a little regular season SF help but come playoff time, the Spurs will be more than fine (as long as they are healthy).

Jefferson can play 40 minutes in the playoffs. Ginobili can play around 30. Mason should be able to play the other 26. If there is foul trouble or Mason disappoints, you have Hill fully capable of playing minutes. If you want further insurance, Bowen can handle that role ... or Bogans if Bowen's time on the Spurs is over.

Even during the regular season, you can pencil in Jefferson for about 34 minutes, Ginobili for about 27 minutes, Mason for about 27 minutes and Hill for ten minutes. If you go after someone who would warrant 12 to 15 minutes, that would just limit the value and potential for Hill and make it more difficult to build a role for Mason.

If the Spurs land McDyess, my preference is to find a defensive role player who could play spot minutes when needed (Bowen, Bogans, Anderson, etc.) and use another roster spot for a wing who can play in Austin (Hairston, perhaps Gist).

[completely deck]

If the Spurs FO managed to get RJ, Blair/McClinton/de colo, Haslip, McDyess, Bowen back and get rid of Finley, it would have to be one of the best offseasons in a long, LONG time.

[Mr. Body]

Orlando could find themselves sorely pressed to field a full roster next year. I wonder if they could be taken advantage of with a 2-for-1 deal. Bonner + Finley for Pietrus, anybody?

[lefty]

Orlando could find themselves sorely pressed to field a full roster next year. I wonder if they could be taken advantage of with a 2-for-1 deal. Bonner + Finley for Pietrus, anybody?
:lmao

[GooberNuts]

Orlando could find themselves sorely pressed to field a full roster next year. I wonder if they could be taken advantage of with a 2-for-1 deal. Bonner + Finley for Pietrus, anybody?

Do the salaries match??

[Mr. Body]

Do the salaries match??

Yes.

[FvckMavs]

Orlando could find themselves sorely pressed to field a full roster next year. I wonder if they could be taken advantage of with a 2-for-1 deal. Bonner + Finley for Pietrus, anybody?

He won't be happy to just play 10-15 minutes here.

[jrmp317]

Orlando could find themselves sorely pressed to field a full roster next year. I wonder if they could be taken advantage of with a 2-for-1 deal. Bonner + Finley for Pietrus, anybody?

yeah Orlando would totally do that deal :rollin

[montgod]

I disagree. I think that the Spurs are more or less fine at PF with McDyess. Their reserve small forward role is not in a crisis or anything, but it's the one place on the roster where they could could improve themselves in terms production per minute. If the Spurs find someway to get a solid 12 - 15 minutes per game behind Jefferson, they'll roll over the West, minus LA.

I just don't see Finley as a viable option at this point. His defense is too slack. Although, I have no doubt the Spurs plan to go with Fin. Hairston and Williams are not the answer either.

I agree. I think they could improve themselves at the backup SF spot, but I am not going to hold my breath that anyone else would be signed for that position besides Bowen. If the Spurs get McDyess, I think their offseason will be pretty much complete.

I am a little intrigued to see what Williams and Hairston can do on a long term basis, but understand that they both would not have guaranteed contracts anytime soon. If the Spurs see that they need more help in the middle of the year, they can always make a trade with their moveable pieces to help in the areas of need. This is usually how the Spurs have operated in the past.


Starters
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Jefferson
4 Duncan
5 McDyess

Bench
1 Hill
2 Mason
2/3 Bowen
3 Nocioni
4 Haislip
4 Blair
4/5 Mahinmi

IR
1/2 McClinton
2/3 Hairston
4 Gist

Deal Finley, Bonner, Williams, and perhaps the 2010 1st rounder to Sacto for Nocioni. Re-sign Bowen. The bigman rotation would be a bit young outside of the starters, so perhaps you deal for Foster from Indiana instead. The Haislip signing is curious unless the Spurs intend to do something with Mahinmi, they feel that confident in the young triumvariate....or they will start our Haislip in Austin, but the latter doesn't really make any sense. I think for certain we will see a trade and the writing is on the wall for Finley and Bonner being moved.

As nice as it sounds, I just don't see the Spurs going out and getting someone like Nocioni. His contract is too large for him being a backup SF/PF.

At this point, I think if the Spurs sign McDyess, they will go with the mindset that enough change has been made and still would want some old pieces for continuity (Finley, Bonner, and possibly Bowen). All three mentioned can be effective for backup roles where lots of minutes won't have to be logged.

Would they be better than Nocioni? Of course not, but the FO has done a well enough job and spent enough money to put them back in the title hunt (if a player like McDyess is added).

[coachmac87]

I have to agree with Bruno. The Spurs could use a little regular season SF help but come playoff time, the Spurs will be more than fine (as long as they are healthy).

Jefferson can play 40 minutes in the playoffs. Ginobili can play around 30. Mason should be able to play the other 26. If there is foul trouble or Mason disappoints, you have Hill fully capable of playing minutes. If you want further insurance, Bowen can handle that role ... or Bogans if Bowen's time on the Spurs is over.

Even during the regular season, you can pencil in Jefferson for about 34 minutes, Ginobili for about 27 minutes, Mason for about 27 minutes and Hill for ten minutes. If you go after someone who would warrant 12 to 15 minutes, that would just limit the value and potential for Hill and make it more difficult to build a role for Mason.

If the Spurs land McDyess, my preference is to find a defensive role player who could play spot minutes when needed (Bowen, Bogans, Anderson, etc.) and use another roster spot for a wing who can play in Austin (Hairston, perhaps Gist).


You forgot to mention Haislip. He is a 6'10 forward who can play 2 positions.

[benefactor]

Man I hope I get this one right. If I do then maybe they will stop bad mouthing me so much on SpursTalk. At the very least they will surely quit begging for Ludden to come back.

[timvp]

You forgot to mention Haislip. He is a 6'10 forward who can play 2 positions.I doubt he can play small forward in the NBA. Hopefully I'm wrong but he doesn't appear to have near the perimeter skills.

[exstatic]

Thanks for the clarification. However, it's still not like having a legit 7-footer to help Tim.

You don't block shots or rebound with the top of your fucking head. If he's got the same standing reach as a 6'10" player, then it's a push.

[ffadicted]

Orlando could find themselves sorely pressed to field a full roster next year. I wonder if they could be taken advantage of with a 2-for-1 deal. Bonner + Finley for Pietrus, anybody?

As much as I'd love getting rid of findog and bonner, getting back a guard makes that trade stupid after giving up another one of our limited number of bigs

[lurker23]

Man I hope I get this one right. If I do then maybe they will stop bad mouthing me so much on SpursTalk. At the very least they will surely quit begging for Ludden to come back.


McDonald is doing a better job this summer. Granted, he's usually about a couple hours behind the national press on the breaking news, but that's probably because he's on the phone using his sources to independently verify the information. If he's ever fundamentally wrong, it's much easier to tell the editor, "my sources had bad information," than to say, "I just went with what Yahoo! Sports was saying." I think we'll continue to see McDonald improving as he gets on better relations with important sources.

That being said, people will continue to want Ludden back for at least the next 5 years, if not 50.

[symple19]

Dice is the clear #2 choice for me behind sheed - I only have one problem with the guy. He went to Alabama. WAR DAMN EAGLE!!!! Okay, that's out of my system now. Come on Dice!!!!!!!!!

[coachmac87]

Starters
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Jefferson
4 Duncan
5 McDyess

Bench
1 Hill
2 Mason
2/3 Bowen
3 Nocioni
4 Haislip
4 Blair
4/5 Mahinmi

IR
1/2 McClinton
2/3 Hairston
4 Gist

Deal Finley, Bonner, Williams, and perhaps the 2010 1st rounder to Sacto for Nocioni. Re-sign Bowen. The bigman rotation would be a bit young outside of the starters, so perhaps you deal for Foster from Indiana instead. The Haislip signing is curious unless the Spurs intend to do something with Mahinmi, they feel that confident in the young triumvariate....or they will start our Haislip in Austin, but the latter doesn't really make any sense. I think for certain we will see a trade and the writing is on the wall for Finley and Bonner being moved.


Here is the way it should be and if you disagree say something about it!

Pg- Tony Parker
Sg- Roger Mason
Sf- Richard Jefferson
Pf- Antonio McDyess
C- Tim Duncan

BENCH
Sg-Manu Ginobili
G- George Hill
PF- Matt Bonner
PF- Dajuan Blair
C/F-Ian Mahimi
F-Marcus Haislip
F-James Gist
G-Jack McClinton

[anakha]

Here is the way it should be and if you disagree say something about it!

Pg- Tony Parker
Sg- Roger Mason
Sf- Richard Jefferson
Pf- Antonio McDyess
C- Tim Duncan

BENCH
Sg-Manu Ginobili
G- George Hill
PF- Matt Bonner
PF- Dajuan Blair
C/F-Ian Mahimi
F-Marcus Haislip
F-James Gist
G-Jack McClinton

That lineup leaves the swing positions awfully thin.

And until Hill can show he's comfortable playing backup PG, I'm not too keen on not having a third PG.

[spurspokesman]

For a 10 and 10 guy it's a good deal.

Yup. Or would they rather give davis the full mle:nope

[timvp]

Several sources are indicating that the Spurs have moved to the top of the list of teams that could land Antonio McDyess Wednesday.


July 7, My San Antonio: The Spurs have emerged as the frontrunner in the chase to land free-agent forward Antonio McDyess.

According to a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations, the Spurs have offered McDyess a three-year deal starting at the full mid-level exception, with the third year partially guaranteed.

It has been widely speculated that McDyess, 34, will play only two more years. If the Spurs' rumored bid is true, the Spurs have essentially sweetened their best two-year offer by guaranteeing McDyess a bit of money for retirement in 2011-12.

The Pistons can't beat that deal. So McDyess can get more money, and also have a better chance at winning a Title with the Spurs. There has been no better professional than McDyess the past several years in Detroit, and while it might be sad to see him go, Antonio deserves a chance to get his ring.

http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2009/07/san_antonio_spurs_are_frontrun.html


Classy take by Detroit media :tu

I can't tell if that first line is the writer saying he has sources or if the writer is using McDonald's sources.

[lurker23]

Classy take by Detroit media :tu

I can't tell if that first line is the writer saying he has sources or if the writer is using McDonald's sources.

I would assume "several sources" means Yahoo! Sports and SA Express News.

[Spurs Brazil]

Several sources are indicating that the Spurs have moved to the top of the list of teams that could land Antonio McDyess Wednesday.

I hope we really have an answer tomorrow

[Spursfan092120]

Classy take by Detroit media :tu

I can't tell if that first line is the writer saying he has sources or if the writer is using McDonald's sources.
wow..yeah..very classy...I've always been a fan of the Pistons, and their mentality..it'll be good to have a hard worker like McDyess on our team...I hope it happens.

[timvp]

I would assume "several sources" means Yahoo! Sports and SA Express News.That's what I assume, as well. But it'd be even better if he meant his own local Detroit sources :hat

[anakha]

At the moment we do not need to try and get another big.

This does not apply until the topic this thread revolves around becomes a reality. :hat

[benefactor]

McDonald is doing a better job this summer. Granted, he's usually about a couple hours behind the national press on the breaking news, but that's probably because he's on the phone using his sources to independently verify the information. If he's ever fundamentally wrong, it's much easier to tell the editor, "my sources had bad information," than to say, "I just went with what Yahoo! Sports was saying." I think we'll continue to see McDonald improving as he gets on better relations with important sources.

That being said, people will continue to want Ludden back for at least the next 5 years, if not 50.
Yeah he is better. I was just having some fun at his expense. His fact checking has still been a bit shaky, but overall he is less unbearable.

[montgod]

Here is the way it should be and if you disagree say something about it!

Pg- Tony Parker
Sg- Roger Mason
Sf- Richard Jefferson
Pf- Antonio McDyess
C- Tim Duncan

BENCH
Sg-Manu Ginobili
G- George Hill
PF- Matt Bonner
PF- Dajuan Blair
C/F-Ian Mahimi
F-Marcus Haislip
F-James Gist
G-Jack McClinton

Well, pretty similiar to the line-up I proposed, but you forgot Finley. He and Williams will be put in the backup SF role. Gist and McClinton are most likely going to be sent to the Toros unless they do very well in summer camp

[timvp]

I hope we really have an answer tomorrow

I didn't even notice that Wednesday tidbit. Hopefully the fact that the Spurs have even added that third year to the deal means that negotiations are intense. It'd be best if McDyess can decide in the next day or two.

[td4mvp21]

Come on McDyess :smokin

[crc21209]

I want an answer tonight damn it! :lol

[Pistons < Spurs]

I can't tell if that first line is the writer saying he has sources or if the writer is using McDonald's sources.

Dave Dial there on Mlive is pretty good. He scours the net for these type of news stories/rumors, and report on them. He'll usually follow up with his take on it. But all the time I've been following him, he simply pulls articles from the net and shares them with local readers. So I wouldn't expect him to be referring to any personal sources.

[timvp]

Dave Dial there on Mlive is pretty good. Heis scours the net for these type of news stories/rumors, and report on them. He'll usually follow up with his take on it. But all the time I've been following him, he simply pulls articles from the net and shares them with local readers. So I wouldn't expect him to be referring to any personal sources.

Thanks :tu



VINCE ELLIS - Detroit Free Press

Johnson told the Free Press on Tuesday that he was happy his name was out there but said he was content remaining at ESPN for another season. He also said he would prefer to return to coaching in the Western Conference.

Asked on ESPN where he thought the Pistons rank in the Eastern Conference, Johnson said:

"Well, you have the big three (Orlando, Boston and Cleveland). Now you have that next tier of teams with the Atlanta Hawks, the Miami Heat, the Philadelphia 76ers, Chicago Bulls and the Detroit Pistons kind of in that mix."

That's a fair assessment, especially with Pistons free-agent power forward Antonio McDyess likely headed to the Spurs. But let's see what else happens before training camp opens in the fall.

http://www.mercedsunstar.com/359/story/939527.html


Doesn't look like much research went behind that sentence but I appreciate the sentiment :drunk

[angelbelow]

I hope we really have an answer tomorrow

me too.

[Russ]

This guy could be a nice insurance policy.

That could allow the Spurs to gamble on a young 5 who might have more upside. They could do worse with the MLE.

(Okay, it's faint praise but sincere nonetheless.)

[completely deck]

me too.

me three

[urunobili]

Perfect lockeroom guy and mentor for our young bigs if it happens... :tu

[Spursmania]

Spurs out in front for McDyess
By Jeff McDonald on Jul 7, 09 05:14 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) Save & Share Yahoo! BuzzYahoo! Newsvine del.icio.us Facebook Google Reddit Fark
The Spurs have emerged as the frontrunner in the chase to land free-agent forward Antonio McDyess.

According to a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations, the Spurs have offered McDyess a three-year deal starting at the full mid-level exception, with the third year partially guaranteed.
It has been widely speculated that McDyess, 34, will play only two more years. If the Spurs' rumored bid is true, the Spurs have essentially sweetened their best offer by guaranteeing McDyess a bit of money for retirement in 2011-12.

The 6-foot-9 McDyess emerged as the Spurs' top target after Rasheed Wallace -- McDyess' former teammate in Detroit -- agreed to terms with Boston earlier this week. He is also being pursued by Cleveland and Orlando.


http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/spurs-out-in-fr.html

Wow- I didn't think they were even willing to offer a 3 year deal to Sheed.
Clearly, they want Dyess badly.

[MarHill]

Well, pretty similiar to the line-up I proposed, but you forgot Finley. He and Williams will be put in the backup SF role. Gist and McClinton are most likely going to be sent to the Toros unless they do very well in summer camp

Yeah, Finley was missed! He will be the back-up SF for the season!

I know I just brought out the Finley haters. They are like cockroaches....you can't kill 'em!!! :lol

[MarHill]

Wow- I didn't think they were even willing to offer a 3 year deal to Sheed.
Clearly, they want Dyess badly.


Maybe, the FO wanted McDyess all along.

I'm beginning to believe they were not that interested in Rasheed after all.

[lurker23]

Maybe, the FO wanted McDyess all along.

I'm beginning to believe they were not that interested in Rasheed after all.

I think that's a fair assessment, based on what's happened over the past week.

Either that, or they grossly underestimated players' desires to go with their gut and their checkbook, and are making up for that mistake by overcompensating with McDyess.

[mosdef17]

HoopsWorld have got on their homepage that "Spurs close to signing McDyess" and then it goes on to say....

"According to reports, the San Antonio Spurs are nearing a deal with free agent center Antonio McDyess"

Sorry if someone else already posted this.

Looking pretty good I think.

[Russ]

Spurs out in front for McDyess
By Jeff McDonald
According to a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations, the Spurs have offered McDyess a three-year deal starting at the full mid-level exception, with the third year partially guaranteed.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/spurs-out-in-fr.html

Partially guaranteed -- I like the sound of that word. :)


I'm beginning to believe they were not that interested in Rasheed after all.

McDyess might be a better fit. The Spurs need a solid (if unspectacular) presence in the post. Sheed is neither solid nor unspectacular.

[Ace9]

Yes! C'mon Spurs let's strike this deal. :D

[xtremesteven33]

SAN Antonio Mcdyess

[Spursfan092120]

Partially guaranteed -- I like the sound of that word. :)


McDyess might be a better fit. The Spurs need a solid (if unspectacular) presence in the post. Sheed is neither solid nor unspectacular.
He's guaranteed some of the money even though we know he's retiring after two years, he's made that clear. That's why he'll probably sign here...he's getting money for sure, even after he retires...

[Russ]

I know I just brought out the Finley haters. They are like cockroaches....you can't kill 'em!!! :lol

Because they are so adaptable -- they can move on to someone else at the drop of a hat!

[timvp]

HoopsWorld have got on their homepage that "Spurs close to signing McDyess" and then it goes on to say....

"According to reports, the San Antonio Spurs are nearing a deal with free agent center Antonio McDyess"

Sorry if someone else already posted this.

Looking pretty good I think.

HoopsWorld is just linking to McDonald's article.

[exstatic]

I hope we really have a signature tomorrow

fify

[MarHill]

Because they are so adaptable -- they can move on to someone else at the drop of a hat!

Russ,

That is so true!

They have gone from Jacque Vaughn to Bonner to Finley. And if Roger Mason doesn't play well this post season.....he will be next for the SpursTalk Forum Hating Role Players Posse!!

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[lefty]

SAN Antonio Mcdyess
I already posted that a few pages ago :wakeup

[NewJerSpur]

I already posted that a few pages ago :wakeup

Though I'm on the fence with the signing, I brought the "San" Antonio McDyess name up days ago lefty. :p:

[Spursmania]

For whatever it's worth or who started it, I love that San Antonio McDyess name.
:lol

If we got Dyess, this would be great. We could really have a fantastic season.
:toast

[Russ]

Russ,

That is so true!

They have gone from Jacque Vaughn to Bonner to Finley. And if Roger Mason doesn't play well this post season.....he will be next for the SpursTalk Forum Hating Role Players Posse!!

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

You had me until the Bonner part.

I'm one of the worst of the worst on that score. :lol:lol:lol

[lefty]

Though I'm on the fence with the signing, I brought the "San" Antonio McDyess name up days ago lefty. :p:
Hehehehehehe :D

[Agloco]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlX_UolufFzeKDciKpSzBSW8vLYF?slug=aw-freeagentbuzz070609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

We haven't heard this tale before.....

[NewJerSpur]

Hehehehehehe :D

:lol :toast

[lefty]

Not enough suspense here....

It's time to spice things up.


Let's roll the dice :D

[gmanrulz]

why did we never talk to birdman. hes apparently signing for less than the full MLE with the nugs

[MarHill]

No, I'm fairly sure the order was still Sheed 1 and McDyess 2. But I think the Spurs knew (possibly from the alleged illegal meeting before July 1st) that Sheed would rather stay in the East. And I don't blame him. Going with the Celtics making them, the Magic and the Cavs the only real threats to win the title in the East would be better than joing the West which seems to have 5 title contenders every year.

However, I think the West will be weaker this year pending trades and signings. the Mavericks seem to be getting older instead of better, the Rockets seem unlikely to compete, the Hornets seem to be making bad moves as of this moment. The Hornets are also the most injury prone team with Peja and Chandler being two of their key pieces to winning.

At the moment I would rank the teams in the west in this order:
Lakers(champs until proven otherwise. I would hope we get the same respect.)
Spurs
Denver
Blazers
Jazz
Hornets

I would say pending injuries and such, the Spurs are likely to finish second behind the Lakers and Denver will finish third well behind the Spurs.

In short, I don't think the west will be as tough as it was in years past. I don't think a slump will drop a 3 seed into the 7 or 8 seed this season.

You make some good, valid points!! :toast

[lurker23]

The scariest part of this is that the hype and re-posting of the hype revolving around McDyess/Spurs is very similar to the chatter that was going on revolving around Rasheed/Boston about a day or two before Sheed's final decision.

Let's hope the outcome is the same.

[peskypesky]

Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aarrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

No, I'm fairly sure the order was still Sheed 1 and McDyess 2. But I think the Spurs knew (possibly from the alleged illegal meeting before July 1st) that Sheed would rather stay in the East. And I don't blame him. Going with the Celtics making them, the Magic and the Cavs the only real threats to win the title in the East would be better than joing the West which seems to have 5 title contenders every year.



Sorry but there's only two teams in the West that can compete - us and LA. Give Denver an outside chance. But that's it. Everyone else is an also ran.

[lefty]

Is McDyess even a center? I always thought he was a Power Forward.
What's the difference?

Pop is gonna play him as a backup PG anyway

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Is McDyess even a center? I always thought he was a Power Forward.

We have our center.... Duncan.

[SpursFan0728]

Good news. I always thought dice would be a better fit than Sheed. With everything said and done, we are looking at one of the best off-season in a long time.

[Danny.Zhu]

i hope it wasn't the same source that said the spurs were the front runners for sheed as well...we all know how that turned out.

Exactly.

[timvp]

We have our center.... Duncan.

Exactly.

[coyotes_geek]

We have our center.... Duncan.

True. Yet somehow our center will find a way to still be listed as a forward on the all star ballot.

[poeticism707]

Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio! Please sign with the Spurs, Antonio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

aarrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

:lol

[anakha]

We have our center.... Duncan.

As much as I disagree with Bill Simmons on a lot of things basketball-wise, I do agree with this statement he made before:

"...with the sport going smaller and faster over the past three years, amazingly, [Duncan]'s a bigger asset than he was four years ago. Once the perfect power forward, he's now the perfect center."

[poeticism707]

As much as I disagree with Bill Simmons on a lot of things basketball-wise, I do agree with this statement he made before:

"...with the sport going smaller and faster over the past three years, amazingly, [Duncan]'s a bigger asset than he was four years ago .Once the perfect power forward, he's now the perfect center"

Great quote Simmons.

[Russ]

We have our center.... Duncan.

Which Laker does he guard? (And for how long and at what cost in terms of fouls and fatigue?)

[Pistons < Spurs]

Is McDyess even a center? I always thought he was a Power Forward.

He's played alot at the C position for us the last couple of years. At least 50% of the time if not more. When he and Sheed were on the floor together, Sheed would cover the more perimeter oriented PF's, and Dice would defend the rim. Depending on matchups, they might switch up. We've been fortunate to have lots of versatility with the 2 of them in the frontcourt. Just like you will hopefully have when this signing happens!

If it was me, I'd have Dice as my starting C and keep TD at the 4.

[mattspurs]

Is there a way for spurs to get both Antonio and big baby

[RodNIc91]

True. Pop calls those plays for Duncan out of a timeout. Probably about once ever other game. However, if there is a physical defender on Duncan, Pop will call it multiple times per game.

Duncan is definitely capable of finishing those plays. IMO, the only reason Pop doesn't go to it more is because it doesn't allow Duncan to create -- it's only a catch and shoot.

That said, with Pop looking to have Duncan post-up less in the regular season, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw those types of plays more often in the next few years. Pop could revert back to the perimeter plays he ran for Duncan back when the Triple Towers were in effect :hat

Who were the triple towers?

[anakha]

Is there a way for spurs to get both Antonio and big baby

Not anymore.

[poeticism707]

He's played alot at the C position for us the last couple of years. At least 50% of the time if not more. When he and Sheed were on the floor together, Sheed would cover the more perimeter oriented PF's, and Dice would defend the rim. Depending on matchups, they might switch up. We've been fortunate to have lots of versatility with the 2 of them in the frontcourt. Just like you will hopefully have when this signing happens!

If it was me, I'd have Dice as my starting C and keep TD at the 4.

Great insight!

By the way, the Pistons were very fortunate do have one of the BEST frontcourts in NBA history: prime Sheed, prime Ben, and near Prime McDice?!? Just nasty.

[vander]

why did we never talk to birdman. hes apparently signing for less than the full MLE with the nugs

yeah, I think I'd prefer that, cheaper, younger, brings more D, TD could still play PF much of the time

[poeticism707]

yeah, I think I'd prefer that, cheaper, younger, brings more D, TD could still play PF much of the time

Birdman over Dice?!?

No way.

[anakha]

yeah, I think I'd prefer that, cheaper, younger, brings more D, TD could still play PF much of the time

Less range on his shot than Chris Dudley.

[lurker23]

If it was me, I'd have Dice as my starting C and keep TD at the 4.

Don't worry, as long as Duncan is in the starting lineup, he will be listed at the 4, and the other player in the low block (even if he's 6'5") will be listed at the 5. :lol

As for the practical basketball applications, 4/5 has been largely interchangeable in the Spurs system, with defensive and offensive assignments largely decided by match-ups and Duncan's rhythm in a particular game.

[mosdef17]

Theres a HUGE difference between a good help defender and a good defender. Birdman isn't much of a defender. He just uses his athleticism to come over the top at the last second. We need someone that can body up Pau, body up Howard, body up Boozer etc

[poeticism707]

Theres a HUGE difference between a good help defender and a good defender. Birdman isn't much of a defender. He just uses his athleticism to come over the top at the last second. We need someone that can body up Pau, body up Howard, body up Boozer etc

Exacly: Birdman might've been in the Spurs sights, but now way before Dice.

[tempest186]

Triple Towers - Robinson, Duncan and Will Purdue

[scottspurs]

Who were the triple towers?

50\Duncan/Will Purdue

[Russ]

When he and Sheed were on the floor together, Sheed would cover the more perimeter oriented PF's, and Dice would defend the rim.

That's what we want to hear. :flag:

Sheed would not have helped as much.

[clubalien]

Who were the triple towers?

will purdue

[NewJerSpur]

Theres a HUGE difference between a good help defender and a good defender. Birdman isn't much of a defender. He just uses his athleticism to come over the top at the last second. We need someone that can body up Pau, body up Howard, body up Boozer etc

He can actually defend guys head on....he's not JUST a good help defender who catches guys off guard.

[mosdef17]

He can actually defend guys head on....he's not JUST a good help defender who catches guys off guard.


He CAN defend guys head on but he is not the greatest at it, a lot of the time people mistake blocked shots for good defense. This is not always the case.

[vander]

Birdman over Dice?!?

No way.


Less range on his shot than Chris Dudley.

we'll have plenty of offense from the rest of the team.
and I don't know why everyone thinks we're going to see the same McDyess as the last few years, he'll be in a much more limited and structured role here, plus he's going to be 35 next season, his late-career resurgence was nice, but we're on the wrong side of it now.

[timvp]

For all the attention the Celtics got for landing Rasheed Wallace, McDyess is the real prize for any team hoping to add a touch of rebounding and scoring while giving max effort on every shift. My Eastern Conference bias hopes he lands with the Magic, but considering he lives in Houston in the offseason, the chance to finish his career in Texas must be appealing.

http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2009-07-07/as-john-kuester-arrives-antonio-mcdyess-leaves/

[anakha]

we'll have plenty of offense from the rest of the team.
and I don't know why everyone thinks we're going to see the same McDyess as the last few years, he'll be in a much more limited and structured role here, plus he's going to be 35 next season, his late-career resurgence was nice, but we're on the wrong side of it now.

With the game adapting as it is, playing 4 on 5 on offense is no longer as workable as it used to be.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't understand all this "Center" talk. A post is a post now a days and a wing is a wing. There's not a difference.

[NewJerSpur]

He CAN defend guys head on but he is not the greatest at it, a lot of the time people mistake blocked shots for good defense. This is not always the case.

The timing, anticipation, body control it takes to block shots with any type of consistency to me makes a good defender, especially if you can continually do so without fouling. It's a skill. Chris Paul is highly regarded for his thievery and a nice portion of his steals actually do come from the blindside.

[scottspurs]

He's coming to San Antonio, you heard it here.

[Shastafarian]

Why the hell does he live in Houston?

[picnroll]

He's coming to San Antonio, you heard it here.
Is this the news you were talking about coming out Wednesday?

[scottspurs]

Is this the news you were talking about coming out Wednesday?

Patience.

[cheney212]

He's coming to San Antonio, you heard it here.
hope its true:toast

[scottspurs]

It may be a few days before it's official, but he is coming count on it.

[Agloco]

Why the hell does he live in Houston?

Because Detroit is less........desirable.

[poeticism707]

With the game adapting as it is, playing 4 on 5 on offense is no longer as workable as it used to be.

Indeed! As much as Bowen contributed through the years defensively, not to mention the class and hard work, the Gasol trade changed the nature of how the Spurs played.

Playing Bowen was instant 4 on 5 on offense, advantage other team. The Spurs can no longer afford to have extreme 1 way players play starter's minutes.

[manustarting2gd]

Patience.

:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::flag:

[poeticism707]

It may be a few days before it's official, but he is coming count on it.
:downspin:

I hope you're right as well!

After all, Dice did pattern his game after Duncan! Now, it's time to play ball with his mentor!

:flag::flag::flag:

[TheProfessor]

It may be a few days before it's official, but he is coming count on it.
:lol If this isn't true, you may have people coming after you with pitchforks and torches...

[Pucho!!!]

Patience.

who r u mysterious scottspurs haha

[K-State Spur]

Is there a way for spurs to get both Antonio and big baby

probably not...THANK GOD

[Spurs_9_20_21]

:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::flag:
Wow!... slow down buddy. One trophy at a time!

[manustarting2gd]

:downspin:

I hope you're right as well!

After all, Dice did pattern his game after Duncan! Now, it's time to play ball with his mentor!

:flag::flag::flag:

Sorry bro, Dice was drafted in 93'.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Did RJ take #24? If so, Dice would need to change #'s. Is 34 available? He wore that in NY.

[Spurs9]

I don't care who we get as long as its not Glenn Davis. :shudders:

[NewJerSpur]

With the addition of Jefferson and the possible restoration of health of 2 of the Big 3, I'd take Bowen back in a heartbeat....I'd take him back anyway. Even if he may take away somewhat from your offense he provides the team with rare commodity in tight perimeter D.

[manustarting2gd]

Wow!... slow down buddy. One trophy at a time!

Sorry, I'm trying not to get too pumped about it... Scottspurs better be on point with this prediction. Last thing we need is crap for info, the newspapers do that for us already.

[scottspurs]

Sorry bro, Dice was drafted in 93'.

Wrong, he was the 2nd pick in 1995 by the LA clippers.

[tp2021]

Bruce better come back or I won't feel right watching the games, even if they are runovers.

[Spursmania]

Did RJ take #24? If so, Dice would need to change #'s. Is 34 available? He wore that in NY.

Yeah, RJ did take 24.

[Doctor J]

If Dice comes to San Antonio... this is what I'd like to see in the stat sheet.

Duncan - 18pts 10rebs (32mpg)
McDyess - 8pts 7rebs (25mpg)
Blair - 7pts 7rebs (22mpg)

That's 33points and 24rebounds from the big men.

Go! Spurs Go!

[manustarting2gd]

Wrong, he was the 2nd pick in 1995 by the LA clippers.

either way it was before TD. But thanks for the clarification brotha.

[bishopospurs]

Wrong, he was the 2nd pick in 1995 by the LA clippers.
either way he came before Duncan, and probably will the first few times when he showers as a spur, but he will get better.:lol

[poeticism707]

Sorry bro, Dice was drafted in 93'.

Yes, even though Dice was a few years Duncan's senior, when Duncan entered the league and had all the so much efficiency and success, Dice talked about how he admired his game and patterned his game after Duncan.

You can no doubt hunt down the quote on the net if you are so inclined.

[manustarting2gd]

I'm stoked. Period. No need to search for quotes.

[bishopospurs]

If this is true then title lock

Tighter than D Rob's daughters chastity belt, not until marriage.

[Solid D]

After all, Dice did pattern his game after Duncan! Now, it's time to play ball with his mentor!

I thought it was David Robinson, his favorite player.

[bishopospurs]

I thought it was David Robinson, his favorite player.

I thought I heard that as well

[Russ]

Why the hell does he live in Houston?

He's from Mississippi. Houston is the closest civilized destination.

[bishopospurs]

He's from Mississippi. Houston is the closest civilized destination.

hahaha.. Mississippi burn:duck

[poeticism707]

if he does not return as a player there is a chance he becomes a coach or Bill Schoening's color analyst. He once did a pre-season game with Schoening on the radio.

I would love to have Bruce back, the problem is if Pop falls in love with him and plays too much instead of playing the young guys.

This team will need a LOT of seasoning before the playoffs come, and not just the Big 4: everyone else. The young players will really need to play REGULAR MINUTES to be able to perform in the playoffs.

[Slinkyman]

If Dice comes to San Antonio... this is what I'd like to see in the stat sheet.

Duncan - 18pts 10rebs (32mpg)
McDyess - 8pts 7rebs (25mpg)
Blair - 7pts 7rebs (22mpg)

That's 33points and 24rebounds from the big men.

Go! Spurs Go!

I'd settle for this box score:
Spurs 101
Lakers 89

[spurspokesman]

:lol If this isn't true, you may have people coming after you with pitchforks and torches...

:lol Yup. Had it happen to me when I posted A sheed to boston prematurely. My source was my friend.:bang I need real friends.

[Spursmania]

I'd settle for this box score:
Spurs 101
Lakers 89

:tu

[NewJerSpur]

I would love to have Bruce back, the problem is if Pop falls in love with him and plays too much instead of playing the young guys.

This team will need a LOT of seasoning before the playoffs come, and not just the Big 4: everyone else. The young players will really need to play REGULAR MINUTES to be able to perform in the playoffs.

Based upon what went down last season, Pop has shown that he is willing to save Bowen for the playoffs, for better or worse. We also have no idea what young wings we will be carrying indefinitely to this point. The main guy to worry about is Finley....

[Spursmania]

:lol Yup. Had it happen to me when I posted A sheed to boston prematurely. My source was my friend.:bang I need real friends.

I remember that. I'd say you took that pretty well considering the backlash you were getting:lol

[Mavs<Spurs]

:lol Yup. Had it happen to me when I posted A sheed to boston prematurely. My source was my friend.:bang I need real friends.

But you manned up, took your lumps and earned some respect (from some of us- others are still pissed, but that's their problem).

It's a good idea not to post any thread before its time !

Reliable sources are your friends .

lol.

:flag:

[poeticism707]

Based upon what went down last season, Pop has shown that he is willing to save Bowen for the playoffs, for better or worse. We also have no idea what young wings we will be carrying indefinitely to this point. The main guy to worry about is Finley....

True! Between Finley and Bowen, they could each play 40 mins a game and it wouldn't surprise me!:bang

[NewJerSpur]

True! Between Finley and Bowen, they could each play 40 mins a game and it wouldn't surprise me!:bang

Don't know about Bruce, but Fin wouldn't have to look too far for those minutes.

[scottspurs]

:lol Yup. Had it happen to me when I posted A sheed to boston prematurely. My source was my friend.:bang I need real friends.

But I'm right my friend. If I'm wrong I will never show my face again. Its kind like from a friend to another to another, but I have the faith and gut telling me it's true.:rollin

[SouthTexasRancher]

:lol Yup. Had it happen to me when I posted A sheed to boston prematurely. My source was my friend.:bang I need real friends.


LOL...:rollin

[Brazil]

But I'm right my friend. If I'm wrong I will never show my face again. Its kind like from a friend to another to another, but I have the faith and gut telling me it's true.:rollin

I hope you are not jinxing the whole thing

[poeticism707]

I hope you are not jinxing the whole thing

Quick, someone enact the double fist of fury anti-jinx!:ihit

[Mavs<Spurs]

I hope you are not jinxing the whole thing

Well, we know that it is not some "inside" information from some secret source. It is a hunch.

Given McDyess' love for Detroit, I am going to wait until I hear some good sourcing before I really believe it. Until then, it is hope. I hope that it is true.

:toast

[Mavs<Spurs]

page 18 is something you can click on and still end up back on page 17. Very strange.
I never understand when that happens (you can choose a page number but when you choose it you end up at the page before it - usually the one you were on before).

[scottspurs]

Well, we know that it is not some "inside" information from some secret source. It is a hunch.

Given McDyess' love for Detroit, I am going to wait until I hear some good sourcing before I really believe it. Until then, it is hope. I hope that it is true.

:toast

Patience. Your hope will be rewarded.

[SouthTexasRancher]

I hope McDyess reads this thread. All the love we are showing him. We need you Dice so we can raise another Banner. Come on down!

[Mavs<Spurs]

So, my post is the first post on page 18. So, before I posted that, page 18 hadn't started and therefore didn't exist. Yet, it was listed as a page one could choose (after page 17). So, why did it offer me the option of choosing page 18 when page 18 didn't yet exist and why when I chose it, did it put me right back on page 17 ? Strange.

[poeticism707]

The guys on ESPN radio about 1 1/2 hours ago said that McDyess had agreed to accept the Spurs 3 year full MLE deal...
:wow:wow:wow

:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

[MaNu4Tres]

198 guests? wow wish we knew who they all were.

[Shastafarian]

The guys on ESPN radio about 1 1/2 hours ago said that McDyess had agreed to accept the Spurs 3 year full MLE deal...

Who?

[scottspurs]

This is all wrong to be doing it like this because I am a future Journalist, and I know I'm breaking every rule in the book, BUT I trust in what I have heard. I would not get played like this.

[timvp]

The guys on ESPN radio about 1 1/2 hours ago said that McDyess had agreed to accept the Spurs 3 year full MLE deal...

If their info was legit it would have hit the internets by now.

[DPG21920]

Just be patient young Skywalker.

[Interrohater]

198 guests? wow wish we knew who they all were.
guilty... hadnt logged in

[Mavs<Spurs]

The guys on ESPN radio about 1 1/2 hours ago said that McDyess had agreed to accept the Spurs 3 year full MLE deal...

They better be right or I'll be pissed.

And why didn't Bucher mention it on ESPN news ?
:flag:
Very cool if true. This sounds very promising.

We are a contender again. I know McDyess isn't incredible or anything, but he's solid. He's enough. And we have enough other pieces that this could really work.

Thanks for posting.

[Mavs<Spurs]

If their info was legit it would have hit the internets by now.

My thought exactly.

Again, why didn't Bucher say it at 9:30 ?

[scottspurs]

Patience.

[Interrohater]

If their info was legit it would have hit the internets by now.
well, if the news is developing, or just very recently happened, they could still be writing the articles! As we speak! wow!

[Brazil]

I can smell like jinx spirit :bang

[Spursmania]

Patience grasshopper

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g194/Lensman03/PatienceGrasshopper.jpg

[SouthTexasRancher]

The guys on ESPN radio about 1 1/2 hours ago said that McDyess had agreed to accept the Spurs 3 year full MLE deal...


I hope they weren't bs'ing around. If true then the Spurs will be right there with Boston, Orlando, Cleveland, Denver & LA. The 3 years could have been the clincher. Thanks for posting the news.

[celldweller]

The question is: Who will be the first to post the signing here on SpursTalk? My money is on MarcusBryant.

[Brazil]

The question is: Who will be the first to post the signing here on SpursTalk? My money is on MarcusBryant.

I'd go with Bruno if tomorrow

[Interrohater]

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[Admiral]

I will be absolutely thrilled if this happens. I have been a McDyess fan for years, dating back to his days as a Nugget when he was putting up 20/10. I know he's always been a Spurs fan, and remember him saying that DRob was his favorite player growing up. For the MLE, this would be a really nice move for us, and adds the final piece we need. I would much rather have McDyess than Rasheed Wallace - no question.

[scottspurs]

What are you talking about? Plenty of people tell what information they have well before something happens. That is sports journalism. Unless I am ordered by my sources not to release information before hand, I give hints or release half of what I know all the time.

For example, I told some people on this board about the Spurs playing PHX on Christmas day in PHX before the schedue came out, but I did not release information that Manu was going to have surgury and be out until December.

I'm still learing, but I have a couple of friends who have made it far and done great things and I trust them. I just became a Journalism Major, and I don't know a whole lot, but I have some good friends.

[Mavs<Spurs]

What about Duncan 228 ?

She's a contender.

Damn, somebody tell us something !

[NewJerSpur]

Whatever happens.....you know DrHouse will be in here 2 minutes after the news drops.

[tp2021]

What about Duncan 228 ?

She's a contender.

Damn, somebody tell us something !

[Spursmania]

http://www.celebritywonder.com/wp/Jeopardy_TV_Walpaper_1_800.jpg

[Mavs<Spurs]

Whatever happens.....you know DrHouse will be in here 2 minutes after the news drops.

and KBP will be killing McDyess and saying how much better this Euro is !

[Blackjack]

198 guests? wow wish we knew who they all were.

Mostly Mouse..:hat (Or should I say, Pauly Package.:lol)

[celldweller]

and KBP will be killing McDyess and saying how much better this Euro is !

:lol and of course he'll be from Greece.

[scottspurs]

Dumars admitted to Mcdyess that the Pistons were not going to contend. And alla Kazaaam. Poof he was a Spur for 2 years full MLE. Patience

[Obstructed_View]

Colin Cowherd just told the GM of the Magic that Dice has already committed to the Spurs. This came after twenty questions asking his opinion about how fuckin awesome Kobe Bryant is.

[scottspurs]

Colin Cowherd just told the GM of the Magic that Dice has already committed to the Spurs. This came after twenty questions asking his opinion about how fuckin awesome Kobe Bryant is.

Committed indeed. Rejoice. Patience.

[Mavs<Spurs]

:lol and of course he'll be from Greece.

exactly. and we're just too damned ignorant to know how great this Greek player is !

:rolleyes

[Pistons < Spurs]

This is from Chris McCosky's blog. He's one of 2 main Pistons writers.




About McDyess

The league released all the financial numbers. The salary cap is $57.7 million and the luxury tax will kick in at $69.92 million. The mid-level exception is set at $5.85 million.

So, what does this mean for the Pistons? As best as I can figure, with Fabricio Oberto clearing waivers tonight (he will most likely go back to San Antonio), they could have between $4 million and $5 million left to spend on Antonio McDyess. Will it be enough? It might.

McDyess has narrowed his choices down to Detroit and San Antonio. San Antonio can give him their full mid-level if they chose to ($5.85 million). Knowing how the Spurs normally operate, they might want to split that mid-level on two players. So, the ball is in McDyess' court now.

He is going to meet with Joe Dumars one more time before making up his mind, and he's told his agent, Andy Miller, that he will also give Dumars the chance to make the final offer. So, if the Spurs offer him $5.8 million, he would give Dumars time to clear more money. The Pistons could conceivably shave close to $2 million more off their payroll by finding trade partners for Arron Afflalo and Walter Sharpe.

If McDyess choses San Antonio, the Pistons next option would be Dallas forward Brandon Bass.



http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/pistonsblog/index.php?CFID=19655005&CFTOKEN=86634746

[TheProfessor]

Committed indeed. Rejoice. Patience.
Wait - should we rejoice or be patient?

[jag]

This has got to be the biggest offseason facelift i've ever seen from the Spurs.

[ElNono]

Whatever happens.....you know DrHouse will be in here 2 minutes after the news drops.


McDyess is a good pickup, but how is he going to guard Wilt Bynum? I think your team needs two or three more pieces to complete against the second tier teams, like Orlando and Denver. Your team needs to explore trading Ginobili and Parker for Tayshaun Prince. It will be futile in the end anyways as we stomp your sorry ass team in the WCF.

15 rings biouatch!!!!

[scottspurs]

Wait - should we rejoice or be patient?

Muhhaahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahaha

[NewJerSpur]

Damn, House never disappoints, :lol. Second tier team huh, LOL.

[Marcus Bryant]

Dumars admitted to Mcdyess that the Pistons were not going to contend. And alla Kazaaam. Poof he was a Spur for 2 years full MLE. Patience

You better be right or we are going to do bad things to you (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130666).

[crc21209]

This is from Chris McCosky's blog. He's one of 2 main Pistons writers.

About McDyess

The league released all the financial numbers. The salary cap is $57.7 million and the luxury tax will kick in at $69.92 million. The mid-level exception is set at $5.85 million.

So, what does this mean for the Pistons? As best as I can figure, with Fabricio Oberto clearing waivers tonight (he will most likely go back to San Antonio), they could have between $4 million and $5 million left to spend on Antonio McDyess. Will it be enough? It might.

McDyess has narrowed his choices down to Detroit and San Antonio. San Antonio can give him their full mid-level if they chose to ($5.85 million). Knowing how the Spurs normally operate, they might want to split that mid-level on two players. So, the ball is in McDyess' court now.

He is going to meet with Joe Dumars one more time before making up his mind, and he's told his agent, Andy Miller, that he will also give Dumars the chance to make the final offer. So, if the Spurs offer him $5.8 million, he would give Dumars time to clear more money. The Pistons could conceivably shave close to $2 million more off their payroll by finding trade partners for Arron Afflalo and Walter Sharpe.

If McDyess choses San Antonio, the Pistons next option would be Dallas forward Brandon Bass.


http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/pistonsblog/index.php?CFID=19655005&CFTOKEN=86634746


:depressed Oh crap come on stop BSing already and choose the Spurs!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He is going to meet with Joe Dumars one more time before making up his mind, and he's told his agent, Andy Miller, that he will also give Dumars the chance to make the final offer. So, if the Spurs offer him $5.8 million, he would give Dumars time to clear more money. The Pistons could conceivably shave close to $2 million more off their payroll by finding trade partners for Arron Afflalo and Walter Sharpe.

If McDyess choses San Antonio, the Pistons next option would be Dallas forward Brandon Bass.

Come on Dice... do you want to be part of a rebuilding project, or win a fucking ring?

[Marcus Bryant]

This is from Chris McCosky's blog. He's one of 2 main Pistons writers.

http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/pistonsblog/index.php?CFID=19655005&CFTOKEN=86634746

So could the Pistons have at most between $4 and 5 mil, or if they dealt Afffalllo and friend could they have $7 mil?

[Ace9]

C'mon just sign it...:hungry:

[Mavs<Spurs]

This is from Chris McCosky's blog. He's one of 2 main Pistons writers.

About McDyess

The league released all the financial numbers. The salary cap is $57.7 million and the luxury tax will kick in at $69.92 million. The mid-level exception is set at $5.85 million.

So, what does this mean for the Pistons? As best as I can figure, with Fabricio Oberto clearing waivers tonight (he will most likely go back to San Antonio), they could have between $4 million and $5 million left to spend on Antonio McDyess. Will it be enough? It might.

McDyess has narrowed his choices down to Detroit and San Antonio. San Antonio can give him their full mid-level if they chose to ($5.85 million). Knowing how the Spurs normally operate, they might want to split that mid-level on two players. So, the ball is in McDyess' court now.

He is going to meet with Joe Dumars one more time before making up his mind, and he's told his agent, Andy Miller, that he will also give Dumars the chance to make the final offer. So, if the Spurs offer him $5.8 million, he would give Dumars time to clear more money. The Pistons could conceivably shave close to $2 million more off their payroll by finding trade partners for Arron Afflalo and Walter Sharpe.



http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/pistonsblog/index.php?CFID=19655005&CFTOKEN=86634746

Colin Cowherd just told the GM of the Magic that Dice has already committed to the Spurs. This came after twenty questions asking his opinion about how fuckin awesome Kobe Bryant is.

So, what's the truth ? They appear to be contradictory unless the Chris McCosky blog is speaking about some meeting that already took place.

Again, it looks like Antonio really loves Detroit and that it will be hard to get him to leave Detroit.

We'll see.

[TheProfessor]

This is from Chris McCosky's blog. He's one of 2 main Pistons writers.





http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/pistonsblog/index.php?CFID=19655005&CFTOKEN=86634746
Well, that's disconcerting. If he gives the Pistons too much time, we lose out on possible frontcourt players. Not to mention, how close does Dumars have to be to the MLE in order for McDyess to stay? I would think in this economic climate, teams would be less willing to take on Afflalo and Sharpe's contracts, but how knows...

[TheProfessor]

Come on Dice... do you want to be part of a rebuilding project, or win a fucking ring?
He's comfortable in Detroit and may have come to terms with not getting that elusive championship. If the money is close, I think he stays.

[Mister Sinister]

http://www.celebritywonder.com/wp/Jeopardy_TV_Walpaper_1_800.jpg
I've got a finger for ya, Trebek.

[crc21209]

Well, that's disconcerting. If he gives the Pistons too much time, we lose out on possible frontcourt players. Not to mention, how close does Dumars have to be to the MLE in order for McDyess to stay? I would think in this economic climate, teams would be less willing to take on Afflalo and Sharpe's contracts, but how knows...

Dumars needs to stop wasting our time. He's not going to find anyone to take those scrubs so just sign already Dice! :lol

[timvp]

The league released all the financial numbers. The salary cap is $57.7 million and the luxury tax will kick in at $69.92 million. The mid-level exception is set at $5.85 million.

So, what does this mean for the Pistons? As best as I can figure, with Fabricio Oberto clearing waivers tonight (he will most likely go back to San Antonio), they could have between $4 million and $5 million left to spend on Antonio McDyess. Will it be enough? It might.

McDyess has narrowed his choices down to Detroit and San Antonio. San Antonio can give him their full mid-level if they chose to ($5.85 million). Knowing how the Spurs normally operate, they might want to split that mid-level on two players. So, the ball is in McDyess' court now.

He is going to meet with Joe Dumars one more time before making up his mind, and he's told his agent, Andy Miller, that he will also give Dumars the chance to make the final offer. So, if the Spurs offer him $5.8 million, he would give Dumars time to clear more money. The Pistons could conceivably shave close to $2 million more off their payroll by finding trade partners for Arron Afflalo and Walter Sharpe.

If McDyess choses San Antonio, the Pistons next option would be Dallas forward Brandon Bass.Damn, that doesn't sound great for the Spurs. McDyess' loyalty could overcome a lot -- including the more money the Spurs can offer and the potential to be a perfect fit in a championship-caliber lineup.

Come to S.A., Dice.

[Vic Petro]

I hope that final meeting with Dumars takes place tomorrow so we can know one way or the other already.

[poeticism707]

I will be absolutely thrilled if this happens. I have been a McDyess fan for years, dating back to his days as a Nugget when he was putting up 20/10. I know he's always been a Spurs fan, and remember him saying that DRob was his favorite player growing up. For the MLE, this would be a really nice move for us, and adds the final piece we need. I would much rather have McDyess than Rasheed Wallace - no question.

Agreed.

[poeticism707]

Whatever happens.....you know DrHouse will be in here 2 minutes after the news drops.
:lol

[poeticism707]

and KBP will be killing McDyess and saying how much better this Euro is !
:rollin

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

He's comfortable in Detroit and may have come to terms with not getting that elusive championship. If the money is close, I think he stays.

Have you been to Detroit? It's a hell hole. I can't figure out what the guy is thinking if he's still considering staying...

[SouthTexasRancher]

Come on Dice... do you want to be part of a rebuilding project, or win a fucking ring?


Never thought I'd ever agree with an Aggie but, I do on this one. I'm sure Dumars will go all out to make McDyess feel loved. Not sure they would be willing to match the 3 year deal the Spurs are supposedly talking about.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Some have questioned the math of this blogger, but figured I'd post it anyway.


This will effect how much the Detroit Pistons will have left after they sign Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva Wednesday, but it won't effect either player's contracts. The Pistons team salary will look similar to this graphic, at around $53.5 million dollars:

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r118/DD2K/PistonsSalary-BG55-CV35sm.jpg

That would give Joe Dumars around $4.2 million dollars left over to use on a third free agent or to use in a trade taking back more in salary than sending out. With the luxury tax threshold dropping to $69.2 million, there will be teams looking to shed salaries in order to get below that number. This is something that Joe Dumars has stated he would like to take advantage of. Stay tuned...

http://blog.mlive.com/fullcourtpress/2009/07/nba_salary_cap_set_at_577_mill.html

[crc21209]

I hope that final meeting with Dumars takes place tomorrow so we can know one way or the other already.

I hope that meeting takes place ASAP so we can all stop sweating bullets around here. Dumars needs to stop cock blocking and let the poor man go to a team with a chance at a title!

[jag]

Scottspurs is gonna feel like a pussy bitch if this doesnt work out.

[scottspurs]

I was wrong its 3 years full MLE.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Have you been to Detroit? It's a hell hole. I can't figure out what the guy is thinking if he's still considering staying...

Be nice dammit!!:lol

[ElNono]

Gee Whiz Louiseeee.... What else do we need now, Dice?
Does Dumars need to co-sign your new contract with the Spurs?

[timvp]

He's comfortable in Detroit and may have come to terms with not getting that elusive championship. If the money is close, I think he stays.

I agree. Dumars took a major gamble on McDyess back when McDyess' NBA career looked like it was over. Dumars and the Pistons deserve his loyalty.

Let's hope Dumars does the Spurs a favor and hints at McDyess that he should leave to chase a ring while the Pistons rebuild.

[crc21209]

Come on Dice dont be stupid...more money, even if you retire after the 2nd year...better players around you, and a chance at a ring. Just commit already!

[Vic Petro]

There were rumors late Tuesday night the Cavs were close to wrapping up a five-year contract with 6-foot-11, 260-pound forward/center Anderson Varejao.

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2009/07/07/sports/nh1143054.txt

Probably belongs in the Varejao thread but the bigger point is that our options outside of Dice are drying up.

[celldweller]

This McDyess Detroit Love is getting very annoying. I love the commitment....but common man. SHOW SOME COMMON SENSE!!!

[ElNono]

I get the feeling Dumars said to him, "We love you, but you won't win a ring here. Go somewhere you will."

Does he needs help packing his bags too? I'm available. :toast

Just end this!!!

[crc21209]

I get the feeling Dumars said to him, "We love you, but you won't win a ring here. Go somewhere you will."

I kinda feel like Dumars WONT say that to him. And thats the problem, I think Dumars is hell-bent on bringing him back..and for what reason I dont know. Dice needs to get his ass in silver and black already.

[TheProfessor]

Have you been to Detroit? It's a hell hole. I can't figure out what the guy is thinking if he's still considering staying...
I don't know if it's his family, loyalty, or just that he doesn't want a change in scenery, but that's the impression I get. Regardless of how much Detroit sucks (no offense to Pistons<Spurs, I've never been). Normally I might add he wouldn't want to move to SA, but if he's got a place in Houston, that doesn't seem like a limiting factor.

[Mavs<Spurs]

" Knowing how the Spurs normally operate, they might want to split that mid-level on two players. So, the ball is in McDyess' court now."

-- That tells me that McCosky is talking out of his @$$ now. He doesn't even know what the Spurs offered and that is now common knowledge. And he thought that it might be substantially less than it is.

That also tells me that McCosky is writing with his heart and not his head right now. He wants it to be true that the Spurs aren't making a strong offer- the full MLE.

So, he doesn't seem to be that great a source on this particular transaction, regardless of how good he is generally on Pistons.


Nevertheless, it does seem likely that McDyess remains in Detroit, that McDyess would rather stay with the Pistons out of loyalty come Hell or High Water, with a rebuilder instead of a contender, for substantially less money.

I would bet based upon what I have read about his ties to Detroit previously that unfortunately, he doesn't move.

Despite all possible reasons to do so, he just won't leave Detroit.

Whatever.

[crc21209]

There were rumors late Tuesday night the Cavs were close to wrapping up a five-year contract with 6-foot-11, 260-pound forward/center Anderson Varejao.

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2009/07/07/sports/nh1143054.txt

Probably belongs in the Varejao thread but the bigger point is that our options outside of Dice are drying up.

That is another reason why Dyess needs to make up his damn mind. The Spurs cant wait on him forever...

[ElNono]

Dice could have been a Spurs for 26 minutes already. What's taking him so long?

[timvp]

Well, with McDyess giving Dumars another chance to try to offer him a salary in the ballpark of the Spurs' offer, I'd say it's safe to say we won't hear anything definitive tonight.

[Spursmania]

Dumars, you should just let McDyess go. You said yourself you are not contenders now. Damn, let the guy have a shot at winning a ring.

And, McDyess, you've been loyal enough. You will never get a ring with Detroit now. Just do it, come to SA!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Be nice dammit!!:lol

:lol

No offense to the good Pistons fans here....

The city's run down in a lot of spots and let's face it - the winter *sucks*.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Whatever happens.....you know DrHouse will be in here 2 minutes after the news drops.


We are all the pathetic, little house has. So, ever so ofter, we mow his little 5 foot square patch of dying grass and water his one dead rosebush and make sure he eats his oatmeal in the morning. A little love goes a long way. :lol

[jag]

It doesn't sound like he really wants to leave.

[Obstructed_View]

There were rumors late Tuesday night the Cavs were close to wrapping up a five-year contract with 6-foot-11, 260-pound forward/center Anderson Varejao.

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2009/07/07/sports/nh1143054.txt

Probably belongs in the Varejao thread but the bigger point is that our options outside of Dice are drying up.

Not like the Spurs had much of a chance to sign him; I doubt they'd ever consider giving him a five year deal and it's probably worth over six or seven million per.

[poeticism707]

There were rumors late Tuesday night the Cavs were close to wrapping up a five-year contract with 6-foot-11, 260-pound forward/center Anderson Varejao.

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2009/07/07/sports/nh1143054.txt

Probably belongs in the Varejao thread but the bigger point is that our options outside of Dice are drying up.

It's NOW OR NEVER DICE!!!

:flag::flag::flag:

[Sigz]

Sweet

[crc21209]

Well, with McDyess giving Dumars another chance to try to offer him a salary in the ballpark of the Spurs' offer, I'd say it's safe to say we won't hear anything definitive tonight.

You're right. Tomorrow is going to be the day...did we score our FA big...or not. Everyone say your prayers before going to sleep tonight. :lol

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Be nice dammit!!:lol

I know no offense but San Antonio is not that great yes the river walk is okay but that's it. Before I get trashed my wife is from San Antonio so yes I go there every year.


I still hope you guys get him.:toast