Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...

[NewJerSpur]

We are all the pathetic, little house has. So, ever so ofter, we mow his little 5 foot square patch of dying grass and water his one dead rosebush and make sure he eats his oatmeal in the morning. A little love goes a long way. :lol

:lol

The funny thing is, his insecurity always seems to boost my confidence. He's been hanging around here more than some Spur posters whenever news has broken regarding the roster.

[Spursmania]

I really wouldn't understand bringing him back at all. If you are rebuilding a 35 year old is not part of your plans period.


Exactly, it's just such a waste. :bang

[TheProfessor]

The time issue is very troubling. Do the Spurs look to make an offer to someone like Bass in the interim and see if they can get him to bite, if it looks like McDyess is wavering towards returning?

[Spurs9]

I've heard Detroit resembles fallout 3 video game.

[Spursmania]

:lol

The funny thing is, his insecurity always seems to boost my confidence. He's been hanging around here more than some Spur posters whenever news has broken regarding the roster.

He's probably lurking this thread off line now...:lol

[SouthTexasRancher]

I know no offense but San Antonio is not that great yes the river walk is okay but that's it. Before I get trashed my wife is from San Antonio so yes I go there every year.


I still hope you guys get him.:toast


Yeah, but have you ever been to Detroit? It is worse than Cleveland.

[ElNono]

Just kidnap his wife already, Pop... We gotta get this done...

[Mavs<Spurs]

Somebody smart enough to go to the University of Virginia should be smart enough to make the obvious choice: San Antonio - money, with a contender, a great proven coach and a great team, starter minutes, a chance to make a significant contribution to a championship team, ..


I feel helpless like watching one of my students who I just know is going to fail a test.

:nope

[Vic Petro]

Not like the Spurs had much of a chance to sign him; I doubt they'd ever consider giving him a five year deal and it's probably worth over six or seven million per.

True, but Varejao was one of the few players on the market who actually fit, albeit barely, the role the Spurs need to fill right now. McDyess is another. Pachulia is another. After that?

Once the moratorium is lifted these unsigned free agents are going to start getting antsy. We want to give Dice all the time he needs because he's far and away the best option remaining, but man, he's going to have to shit or get off the pot.

[TheProfessor]

I really wouldn't understand bringing him back at all. If you are rebuilding a 35 year old is not part of your plans period.
There are so many young players in the lockerroom, not to mention that they might end up trading Rip. Having a professional like McDyess sets the tone early on for a youth movement.

[Pistons < Spurs]

" Knowing how the Spurs normally operate, they might want to split that mid-level on two players. So, the ball is in McDyess' court now."

-- That tells me that McCosky is talking out of his @$$ now. He doesn't even know what the Spurs offered and that is now common knowledge. And he thought that it might be substantially less than it is.

That also tells me that McCosky is writing with his heart and not his head right now. He wants it to be true that the Spurs aren't making a strong offer- the full MLE.

So, he doesn't seem to be that great a source on this particular transaction, regardless of how good he is generally on Pistons.


Nevertheless, it does seem likely that McDyess remains in Detroit, that McDyess would rather stay with the Pistons out of loyalty come Hell or High Water, with a rebuilder instead of a contender, for substantially less money.

I would bet based upon what I have read about his ties to Detroit previously that unfortunately, he doesn't move.

Despite all possible reasons to do so, he just won't leave Detroit.

Whatever.

This is his blog, not his newspaper article, so in a sense, it probably is more straight talk in what he personally feels and thinks.

And he has been wrong on many occasions in past comments/stories/predictions. But most sports writers are from time to time. The only thing I took from him was that Dice will give Joe every opportunity to keep him. And that pretty much fits with Dice's past.

[scottspurs]

Not tonight, no, It may be a few days. Dumars is slowing everything. Loyalty is a great trait. Mcdyess will be a Spur.

[timvp]

I really wouldn't understand bringing him back at all. If you are rebuilding a 35 year old is not part of your plans period.

McDyess is a perfect player to teach Villanueva the ropes. As a mentor alone, he's worth a good amount of change.

[ElNono]

Yeah, but have you ever been to Detroit? It is worse than Cleveland.

I've been to both Detroit and San Antonio, and they both have their good and bad places. (I'm from NJ, another good and bad place).

[SouthTexasRancher]

He's probably lurking this thread off line now...:lol


House is doing something else offline right now. And he is doing it in his closet so his mom won't catch him. She opens the door and he just tells her he was trying on different clothes for summer school tomorrow.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Yeah, but have you ever been to Detroit? It is worse than Cleveland.

Yes The City of Detroit is bad it also has some good parts Greektown and other parts. The Pistons don't play in Detroit and the players don't live in Detroit.

[SouthTexasRancher]

I've been to both Detroit and San Antonio, and they both have their good and bad places. (I'm from NJ, another good and bad place).


That is the point exactly. Every city has it's good and bad.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I'm not going to crow until he's signed on the dotted line... ;)

[ElNono]

McDyess is a perfect player to teach Villanueva the ropes. As a mentor alone, he's worth a good amount of change.

But to the point of sacrificing perhaps his only chance at a ring?
At some point you have to question his sanity...

[Marcus Bryant]

Somebody smart enough to go to the University of Virginia should be smart enough to make the obvious choice: San Antonio - money, with a contender, a great proven coach and a great team, starter minutes, a chance to make a significant contribution to a championship team, ..


I feel helpless like watching one of my students who I just know is going to fail a test.

:nope

He went to Bama, no?

[Pistons < Spurs]

This sounds more like it!!!!!




About McDyess -- corrected

The league released all the financial numbers. The salary cap is $57.7 million and the luxury tax will kick in at $69.92 million. The mid-level exception is set at $5.85 million.

So, what does this mean for the Pistons? My original math was bad, as usual. I had them having between $4 million and $5 million left to spend on Antonio McDyess. Upon further review, not so much. They might have, maybe $2 million left. And that won't get it done.

McDyess has narrowed his choices down to Detroit and San Antonio. San Antonio can give him their full mid-level if they chose to ($5.85 million). Knowing how the Spurs normally operate, they might want to split that mid-level on two players. Still, they have more juice than the Pistons.

McDyess, ever the good man, will meet with Joe Dumars one more time before making up his mind, and he's told his agent, Andy Miller, that he will also give Dumars the chance to make the final offer. The Pistons could conceivably shave close to $2 million more off their payroll by finding trade partners for Arron Afflalo and Walter Sharpe. But that won't be easy, and it still might not be enough.

If McDyess choses San Antonio, the Pistons next option would be Dallas forward Brandon Bass -- though he, too, is getting offers close to the full mid-level.


http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/pistonsblog/index.php?CFID=19655005&CFTOKEN=86634746

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, if all of this is correct, the Spurs have a real good shot.

[Ditty]

I know no offense but San Antonio is not that great yes the river walk is okay but that's it. Before I get trashed my wife is from San Antonio so yes I go there every year.


I still hope you guys get him.:toast

i always thought san antonio is a great city for single people

[NewJerSpur]

Detroit isn't the most scenic of cities and it has its issues with poverty, violence and crime.....but they had an ill underground Hip Hop scene from what I heard between the mid to late '90s amidst all that. Slum Village (R.I.P. Jay Dee aka J. Dilla), the Breakfast Club, and some others that haven't gotten their just due because they remained either obscure for so long or couldn't sustain the spotlight when shown upon them.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

That is the point exactly. Every city has it's good and bad.

:toast Detroit's bad parts are just really bad.

[Mavs<Spurs]

The time issue is very troubling. Do the Spurs look to make an offer to someone like Bass in the interim and see if they can get him to bite, if it looks like McDyess is wavering towards returning?

If he won't make a commitment with the offer within 24-48 hours, then you make a run after who's left - none of which are as good, but one of whom will have to do - e.g. Big Baby, Bass if available , ...

If he won't make a commitment within that time period, he is just unlikely to sign. It's not money, he just isn't capable of moving and accepting a great offer from the Spurs. You realize that he will never, ever in a million years sign (if he can't make a commitment within 24-48 hours) with you, write him off as having a freak phobia of winning a championship and move on.:hat

[SouthTexasRancher]

Yes The City of Detroit is bad it also has some good parts Greektown and other parts. The Pistons don't play in Detroit and the players don't live in Detroit.


Then they should change their name.

[timvp]

This sounds more like it!!!!!






http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/pistonsblog/index.php?CFID=19655005&CFTOKEN=86634746

Bruno was right. Props to him.


Damn, this helps the Spurs.

[Vic Petro]

This sounds more like it!!!!!






http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/pistonsblog/index.php?CFID=19655005&CFTOKEN=86634746


:downspin:

[Marcus Bryant]

If you make $5 mil per any place is alright. And during the season I'm not sure if your home city is that important. In the offseason you can live anywhere.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

i always thought san antonio is a great city for single people

Sure has some great looking women there for sure.

[Spursmania]

This sounds more like it!!!!!






http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/pistonsblog/index.php?CFID=19655005&CFTOKEN=86634746




:flag:

[024]

you know what will be ironic? if detroit clears enough room to offer mcdyess a similar contract. guess what would have contributed to that? that's right, oberto's unguaranteed contract they got from the bucks.

[loveforthegame]

Come on Dice. We need and want you here. Let's do this already.

Gosh, I'll be happy when this part is decided.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:toast Detroit's bad parts are just really bad.

And I believe you also have city and state income taxes, no?

[Ace9]

Excellent.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kDoyvibiZag/R2kfOv6rdpI/AAAAAAAABNw/l8YqAjfeIEU/s320/BurnsExcellentSticker.jpg

[Marcus Bryant]

Bruno was right. Props to him.


Damn, this helps the Spurs.

Unless someone swoops in at the last minute with a crazy offer, Spurs would seem to be in a good spot.

[Obstructed_View]

]Somebody smart enough to go to the University of Virginia [/B]should be smart enough to make the obvious choice: San Antonio - money, with a contender, a great proven coach and a great team, starter minutes, a chance to make a significant contribution to a championship team, ..


I feel helpless like watching one of my students who I just know is going to fail a test.

:nope

Who are the Spurs courting who went to UVA? McDyess went to the same school as Robert Horry.

[timvp]

Props to Pistons < Spurs for dropping the info and the corrected info :tu

[Marcus Bryant]

you know what will be ironic? if detroit clears enough room to offer mcdyess a similar contract. guess what would have contributed to that? that's right, oberto's unguaranteed contract they got from the bucks.

I think at most that would create an extra $1.5 mil.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Well, if all of this is correct, the Spurs have a real good shot.

I give the odds at about ten percent, at best. Perhaps I'm overly generous in expecting him to reach a rational decision. And I don't think reason or logic has a place in his equation. He's already chosen to stay in Detroit. He wants his great, great, great grandkids to live in Detroit, clearly the best city on Earth.

Damn!

:bang

[NewJerSpur]

I've been to both Detroit and San Antonio, and they both have their good and bad places. (I'm from NJ, another good and bad place).

What part?

[Marcus Bryant]

Mason attended UVa.

[montgod]

you know what will be ironic? if detroit clears enough room to offer mcdyess a similar contract. guess what would have contributed to that? that's right, oberto's unguaranteed contract they got from the bucks.

It would be a waste though since even Dumars said that the won't contend this year. What's the point??

[TheProfessor]

This sounds more like it!!!!!






http://apps.detnews.com/apps/blogs/pistonsblog/index.php?CFID=19655005&CFTOKEN=86634746
OK, I feel much better :lol

[Obstructed_View]

i always thought san antonio is a great city for single people

And people who like to eat.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Who are the Spurs courting who went to UVA? McDyess went to the same school as Robert Horry.

Alabama ? - My bad.

I thought that he went to UVA .

[timvp]

Unless someone swoops in at the last minute with a crazy offer, Spurs would seem to be in a good spot.
Yeah, the Spurs have gotten lucky with regards to McDyess. I think he was more apt to stay if AJ got hired (or any veteran coach). That had to help, even if just slightly.

And now the salary cap coming in low helps even more. :hat

[Mel_13]

What part?

Isn't the correct question: what exit?

[Marcus Bryant]

I give the odds at about ten percent, at best. Perhaps I'm overly generous in expecting him to reach a rational decision. And I don't think reason or logic has a place in his equation. He's already chosen to stay in Detroit. He wants his great, great, great grandkids to live in Detroit, clearly the best city on Earth.

Damn!

:bang

eh? He lives in Htown. In the friggin' summer.

[Obstructed_View]

Mason attended UVa.

Ah, so the post is accurate, but a year late. ;)

[timvp]

I'd live in Detroit before Houston.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

I give the odds at about ten percent, at best. Perhaps I'm overly generous in expecting him to reach a rational decision. And I don't think reason or logic has a place in his equation. He's already chosen to stay in Detroit. He wants his great, great, great grandkids to live in Detroit, clearly the best city on Earth.

Damn!

:bang

You guy Obama will fix it.

[scottspurs]

eh? He lives in Htown. In the friggin' summer.

Houston and Detriot. And I thought Rasheed was the thug. Oh well, he will be a great fit for the spurs.

[SouthTexasRancher]

Bruno was right. Props to him.


Damn, this helps the Spurs.


:tu:tu

[Vic Petro]

What part?

Hudson County here, originally.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Come on Spurs don't get cheap give Dice a good deal.

[timvp]

Would the Pistons really trade Afflalo for nothing just to save $1 million to give to McDyess? That sounds like a high price to pay. Afflalo isn't great but $1 million is more than a fair deal.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'd live in Detroit before Houston.

I'd prefer to live in Baghdad before Houston in April.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Yeah, the Spurs have gotten lucky with regards to McDyess. I think he was more apt to stay if AJ got hired (or any veteran coach). That had to help, even if just slightly.

And now the salary cap coming in low helps even more. :hat

True, although my best guess is that Dice was their target all along. I think they knew Sheed would never come to SA (he loves the limelight, and both Boston and Cleveland have more of that than we do) but had to give it a shot, and the guy they really wanted was Dice - both because he's such a nice fit (character- and game-wise) and after signing BG and CV the Pistons' cap was always going to be squeezed given the financial meltdown.

We lost out on Splitter a couple of years ago because of exchange rates, but it looks like a financial fuckup has finally broken our way! :lol

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

I'd live in Detroit before Houston.

After seven or so years here I am convinced this city was founded here because Sam Houston lost a bet.

[NewJerSpur]

Isn't the correct question: what exit?

For some it is...I usually ask what part (North, Central, South), county, or town.

[DPG21920]

lol O_V with the early avatar. could be set up for disaster.

[Marcus Bryant]

Houston and Detriot. And I thought Rasheed was the thug. Oh well, he will be a great fit for the spurs.

Why does living in Houston make one a "thug"?

[Mavs<Spurs]

You guy Obama will fix it.

Well, George W Bush and the Republicans pretty much ruined the world.
So, it's not coming back any time soon.

and if you want to talk politics, there is another forum.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Oh yeah, and getting McDyess would kick ass. That's good.

[ElNono]

What part?

Jersey Shore. Monmouth County.

[ElNono]

Isn't the correct question: what exit?

Exit 105, LOL

[gaKNOW!blee]

How long until the first "Spurs sign McDyess!! thread? even tho they didnt yet

[NewJerSpur]

Hudson County here, originally.

I'm originally from Essex county....guess we were neighbors.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Would the Pistons really trade Afflalo for nothing just to save $1 million to give to McDyess? That sounds like a high price to pay. Afflalo isn't great but $1 million is more than a fair deal.

The guy who wrote that article is all ways wrong and a big tool.

[celldweller]

From ESPN Twitter 2 minutes ago.
NBA sets cap at $57.7M, down from last year - http://tinyurl.com/m3k2tl

[Mavs<Spurs]

I'd live in Detroit before Houston.

I lived in Houston, went to high school in the Houston area.

Northwest part.

It's pretty nice.

I have also lived in Michigan too.

I'll take Houston every time.

But each person has their own preferences.

[Mel_13]

For some it is...I usually ask what part (North, Central, South), county, or town.

It was a very old joke coming from someone who graduated from a high school in Middlesex County.

[scottspurs]

Why does living in Houston make one a "thug"?

My mom is from Houston and I spent my summers there when I was a kid. The city is "thug". Mcdyess is not a thug though, I was only joking. Mcdyess is a class act and I am glad we got him instead of Sheed.

[Spursmania]

I just hope this isn't another Sheed heartbreak. This just seems like a no-brainer but apparently McDyess loves Detroit.

[TheProfessor]

I lived in Houston, went to high school in the Houston area.

Northwest part.

It's pretty nice.

I have also lived in Michigan too.

I'll take Houston every time.

But each person has their own preferences.
I live in the Heights in the loop and love it. Great food, good museums/cultural events. I've actually enjoyed it more than Austin.

[Vic Petro]

I'm originally from Essex county....guess we were neighbors.

We were indeed. Moved out to LA four years ago. Rooting for our Spurs from the heart of the lion's den. It's really a beautiful city the day after a Lakers loss.

That's why we need Dice...for my sanity! I can't listen to any more BS from Laker fans who never heard of Cedric Ceballos.

[scottspurs]

How long until the first "Spurs sign McDyess!! thread? even tho they didnt yet

It may be a few days, but it could also be tommorrow morning. Time will tell. Patience.

[NewJerSpur]

It was a very old joke coming from someone who graduated from a high school in Middlesex County.

LOL. Never realized there were so many Spur fans in New Jersey. Which school (township) and what year?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

It's funny how in the comments below Jeff McDonald's blog so many posts say "get dice!" and then immediately follow that with "re-sign Gooden"! :lol

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/courtside/2009/07/spurs-out-in-fr.html

These people obviously don't understand how a roster is put together, I guess.

[NewJerSpur]

We were indeed. Moved out to LA four years ago. Rooting for our Spurs from the heart of the lion's den. It's really a beautiful city the day after a Lakers loss.

That's why we need Dice...for my sanity! I can't listen to any more BS from Laker fans who never heard of Cedric Ceballos.

:lol

Remember his "rap" video? LOL. LA is likely my next destination when I save up enough money. Be interested to see what could be available in a trade as well and what the FO thinks of Powe even.

[Spurs9]

I live in the Heights in the loop and love it. Great food, good museums/cultural events. I've actually enjoyed it more than Austin.
I would love to move back to Houston, I lived in the West University area around the galleria.

[Marcus Bryant]

My mom is from Houston and I spent my summers there when I was a kid. The city is "thug". Mcdyess is not a thug though, I was only joking. Mcdyess is a class act and I am glad we got him instead of Sheed.

Perhaps down by UH, but that's about it.

[Spursfan092120]

Well, George W Bush and the Republicans pretty much ruined the world.
So, it's not coming back any time soon.

and if you want to talk politics, there is another forum.
He wasn't talking politics..he just said Obama would fix it..you're the one starting the politics talk by bashing our former president...maybe you should find the other forum. :toast

[Mavs<Spurs]

So, is this right, best case scenario, Pistons could offer $ 4 million (and that is contingent upon trading away Afflalo and Sharpe for virtually nothing - no guarantee that they could even do this) and we are offering him 3 years - 2 fully guaranteed, 1 partial guarantee at about 5.8 million ?

Yeah, if McDyess can't make a decision within 24 to 48 hours with those two competing offers, he is unlikely to move here ever.

However, if McDyess makes this decision rationally, then we are in an okay position.

I thank Pistons<Spurs for noting the correction in the original post by the writer.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

LOL. Never realized there were so many Spur fans in New Jersey. Which school (township) and what year?

Is Joisey the most depressing place on earth? I passed through it a few years ago and was depressed for days. *kidding*

It did look very flat and industrial though...

[Mel_13]

LOL. Never realized there were so many Spur fans in New Jersey. Which school (township) and what year?

So long ago that my alma mater, Cedar Ridge H.S. near Old Bridge, no longer exists. So long ago that I can remember games between the Knicks and Celtics in which Phil Jackson and Don Nelson were players.

Class of '77

[TheProfessor]

I would love to move back to Houston, I lived in the West University area around the galleria.
There are actually some really nice houses tucked away in that area, one of my professors lives down there. I wouldn't mind buying a place here in the Heights, wish I had some disposable income right now for a down payment...

[ElNono]

Is Joisey the most depressing place on earth? I passed through it a few years ago and was depressed for days. *kidding*

It did look very flat and industrial though...

The North is... beaches are nice where I live...

[timvp]

I get that from Dumars's point of view, but will the owners? Times are already hard enough. Won't McDyess cost them like 12 million if they match the offer?

McDyess isn't restricted and it'd be impossible for the Pistons to pay luxury tax this season.

[Mavs<Spurs]

He wasn't talking politics..he just said Obama would fix it..you're the one starting the politics talk by bashing our former president...maybe you should find the other forum. :toast

wrong- he said you (sic) guy Obama will fix it (ie with sarcasm).

My post was appropriate because he, out of the blue, injected sarcasm against the current President of the United States.

[Mel_13]

The North is... beaches are nice where I live...

And Monmouth Park is a great place to pass an afternoon.

[TheProfessor]

Perhaps down by UH, but that's about it.
That's been my experience. Otherwise, it's like any other major city...

[Ace9]

Is Joisey the most depressing place on earth? I passed through it a few years ago and was depressed for days. *kidding*

It did look very flat and industrial though...

It actually has the lowest suicide rate in USA. Well at least it did a year ago, and probably has mantained bottom 5 status on that list. Take it for what you will, but I found that pretty interesting.

[loveforthegame]

Please Dice, don't make this a long week. It really doesn't have to be.

[ElNono]

And Monmouth Park is a great place to pass an afternoon.

I drive by every day. Wife works at Monmouth Medical Center in Longbranch.

[Vic Petro]

Is Joisey the most depressing place on earth? I passed through it a few years ago and was depressed for days. *kidding*

It did look very flat and industrial though...

It's the Garden State!

[timvp]

So, is this right, best case scenario, Pistons could offer $ 4 million (and that is contingent upon trading away Afflalo and Sharpe for virtually nothing - no guarantee that they could even do this) and we are offering him 3 years - 2 fully guaranteed, 1 partial guarantee at about 5.8 million ?

Yeah, if McDyess can't make a decision within 24 to 48 hours with those two competing offers, he is unlikely to move here ever.

However, if McDyess makes this decision rationally, then we are in an okay position.

I think Pistons<Spurs for noting the correction in the original post by the writer.That sounds about right. My quick math has the Pistons able to clear out a little more than $4 million.

Even though the money looks good for McDyess (not to mention the championship aspirations), I'd say it's still 50/50. The Pistons believed in him when it looked like he was done as a player ... and he hasn't forgotten that.

The best hope is that Dumars isn't willing to clear room for him and will instead want to spend that money elsewhere.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

The North is... beaches are nice where I live...

I take it that's to the south.

I was on my way from NYC to Atlantic City, so I admit that I didn't see much of the state. Had a good time in AC though - stopped coughing up blood from the bronchitis I caught in SA (damned Cedar Fever!), checked out the Taj and the Borgata, and won $1500 in two hands from a guy who just didn't believe I had the cards. Goods times! :D

[NewJerSpur]

So long ago that my alma mater, Cedar Ridge H.S. near Old Bridge, no longer exists. So long ago that I can remember games between the Knicks and Celtics in which Phil Jackson and Don Nelson were players.

Class of '77

Wow. Good friend of mine spent some years in Old Bridge. Seemed like a nice town...at least where he lived.

[scottspurs]

Perhaps down by UH, but that's about it.

The North side of Houston, suburbs like Kingwood and the Woodlands are really nice, but since Hurricane Catrina the actual city is pretty bad. Pearland and Friendswood south of houston are ok, but everywhere else is in bad shape.

[MaNu4Tres]

I live in the Heights in the loop and love it. Great food, good museums/cultural events. I've actually enjoyed it more than Austin.

That is a great area. Have you been to Last Concert Cafe?

Houston isn't " thug" at all.

Every big city will have spots where it can be " thuggish" or " ghetto".

Houston has some great areas to live in.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

It actually has the lowest suicide rate in USA. Well at least it did a year ago, and probably has mantained bottom 5 status on that list. Take it for what you will, but I found that pretty interesting.

Interesting indeed. People too busy trying to keep warm? :lol


It's the Garden State!

Not where I went! :lol

[Mavs<Spurs]

I'll be glad when this is over with.
We could really use McDyess.
Hopefully, we'll get him despite his attachment to Detroit.

:flag:

[timvp]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Spurs_make_push_for_McDyess.html
Spurs make push for McDyess
Jeff McDonald

The Spurs are apparently going hard to the hoop in their pursuit of free-agent forward Antonio McDyess.

According to an NBA source with knowledge of the negotiations, the Spurs are believed to have offered McDyess a three-year contract starting at the full mid-level exception, expected to be worth $5.854 million next season.

That third year, which is only partially guaranteed, could be what puts the Spurs over the top.

It has been widely speculated that McDyess, 34, only plans to play two more seasons. If the Spurs' rumored bid is true, they have essentially sweetened their best two-year offer by guaranteeing McDyess extra cash in 2011-12.

In a matter of hours, the Spurs appear to have moved on from their failed pursuit of Rasheed Wallace.

After Wallace agreed to terms with Boston on Sunday, the 6-foot-9 McDyess surfaced as the Spurs' new Plan A. Thanks to an aggressive supposed bid, they have emerged as the front-runner to land him.

Cleveland and Orlando are considered the Spurs' top competition, while the Pistons have hopes of convincing McDyess to return for a sixth season in Detroit.

Since a pre-draft trade sent big men Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas to Milwaukee in a package for swingman Richard Jefferson, the Spurs' top offseason priority has been to fortify their frontcourt.

McDyess, who averaged 9.6 points and 9.8 rebounds last season, would seem to fulfill that need. Should he accept the Spurs' offer, it would put an end their pursuit of other significant free agents — including their own unrestricted free agent, Drew Gooden.

A rugged rebounder and physical interior defender on the cusp of his 15th season, McDyess has been on the Spurs' target list for quite some time. The team cast overtures his direction as far back as November, when McDyess became a free agent following his inclusion in the Chauncey Billups-Allen Iverson deal.

McDyess eventually re-signed with the Pistons then, citing a loyalty to the organization and his desire to play for a championship-level team. Since then, however, the landscape has changed dramatically in Detroit.

The Pistons finished eighth in the Eastern Conference and were swept from the playoffs in the first round by the Cavaliers.

Then there is the matter of money. After committing most of their available cash to free agents Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva this summer, the Pistons will only have between $3 million-$5 million to offer McDyess — substantially less than other suitors.

The Spurs appear to have announced their courtship of McDyess in a big way. The ball is in his court now.

[will_spurs]

Dice should sign so that people would stop talking about where they went for lunch when I wasn't even born :D

By the way, news watch link: http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=mcdyess&cf=all&as_qdr=h&as_drrb=q

[MaNu4Tres]

The North side of Houston, suburbs like Kingwood and the Woodlands are really nice, but since Hurricane Catrina the actual city is pretty bad. Pearland and Friendswood south of houston are ok, but everywhere else is in bad shape.

Um since when?

I live in north Houston and it is not in " bad shape". Houston didn't really get effected by Hurricane Katrina, which was 4 years ago. And the only part to get effected by Ike was downtown, but most if not all has been fixed by now. Other parts of Houston had some flooding and the electricity was out for about 2-3 weeks but thats it. Everything is fine now. When's the last time you've been to Houston?

[timvp]

McDonald with no new news regarding McDyess. Basically confirms his blog entry.

At least there's no bad news to report :smokin







P.S.

I wonder how confident he is in the Spurs viewing Rasheed as their number one target. He has said it enough that it must be true ......... right?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

That is a great area. Have you been to Last Concert Cafe?

Houston isn't " thug" at all.

Every big city will have spots where it can be " thuggish" or " ghetto".

Houston has some great areas to live in.

I only stayed in Houston one night, but I think my friend and I picked the wrong place to stay. We were only a few miles from the airport (never a good idea in an American city, as that's usually where the rough parts are) on 45 or 59 and it was so dodgy that we just got ourselves some liquor and holed up in the room for the night. I'm pretty sure I heard gunshots at least twice. Needless to say, we hightailed it for Louisiana early next morning! :lol

[NewJerSpur]

I take it that's to the south.

I was on my way from NYC to Atlantic City, so I admit that I didn't see much of the state. Had a good time in AC though - stopped coughing up blood from the bronchitis I caught in SA (damned Cedar Fever!), checked out the Taj and the Borgata, and won $1500 in two hands from a guy who just didn't believe I had the cards. Goods times! :D

The part of Jersey where I'm from (Northeast) is pretty densely populated and citified. As you start travelling South things get more open/less condensed. AC is funny because although it has a lot of money floating around in casinos and such the city it is interwoven with some rather seedy looking areas....still a cool place to visit though.

[Spurs9]

There are actually some really nice houses tucked away in that area, one of my professors lives down there. I wouldn't mind buying a place here in the Heights, wish I had some disposable income right now for a down payment...
Yeah some of those areas can be pricey. River oaks is one of my favorite neighborhoods to go thru, the houses are absolutely insane how big some of them are. Sugarland is really nice too.

[Mavs<Spurs]

So, I'm thinking that if we don't hear that he accepted the Spurs offer within 2 days, he's not going to sign with us.

Does that make sense to anyone else ?

:wakeup

[ElNono]

I take it that's to the south.

I was on my way from NYC to Atlantic City, so I admit that I didn't see much of the state. Had a good time in AC though - stopped coughing up blood from the bronchitis I caught in SA (damned Cedar Fever!), checked out the Taj and the Borgata, and won $1500 in two hands from a guy who just didn't believe I had the cards. Goods times! :D

Outside of the casino area, Atlantic City is honestly junk.

[DPG21920]

5th ward in Houston is a charming place.

[Dingle Barry]

The private message function seems ideally suited for faggots to talk about New Jersey and Houston days gone by.

[Avitus1]

Hopefully we pick him up. Looks promising... so did Sheed though...

[NewJerSpur]

Outside of the casino area, Atlantic City is honestly junk.

:tu

How ironic.

[ElNono]

The private message function seems ideally suited for faggots to talk about New Jersey and Houston days gone by.

Why? It's not like McDyess is going to be signing anytime soon...


:bang

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/Spurs_make_push_for_McDyess.html
Spurs make push for McDyess
Jeff McDonald

The Spurs are apparently going hard to the hoop in their pursuit of free-agent forward Antonio McDyess.

According to an NBA source with knowledge of the negotiations, the Spurs are believed to have offered McDyess a three-year contract starting at the full mid-level exception, expected to be worth $5.854 million next season.

That third year, which is only partially guaranteed, could be what puts the Spurs over the top.

It has been widely speculated that McDyess, 34, only plans to play two more seasons. If the Spurs' rumored bid is true, they have essentially sweetened their best two-year offer by guaranteeing McDyess extra cash in 2011-12.

In a matter of hours, the Spurs appear to have moved on from their failed pursuit of Rasheed Wallace.

After Wallace agreed to terms with Boston on Sunday, the 6-foot-9 McDyess surfaced as the Spurs' new Plan A. Thanks to an aggressive supposed bid, they have emerged as the front-runner to land him.

Cleveland and Orlando are considered the Spurs' top competition, while the Pistons have hopes of convincing McDyess to return for a sixth season in Detroit.

Since a pre-draft trade sent big men Fabricio Oberto and Kurt Thomas to Milwaukee in a package for swingman Richard Jefferson, the Spurs' top offseason priority has been to fortify their frontcourt.

McDyess, who averaged 9.6 points and 9.8 rebounds last season, would seem to fulfill that need. Should he accept the Spurs' offer, it would put an end their pursuit of other significant free agents — including their own unrestricted free agent, Drew Gooden.

A rugged rebounder and physical interior defender on the cusp of his 15th season, McDyess has been on the Spurs' target list for quite some time. The team cast overtures his direction as far back as November, when McDyess became a free agent following his inclusion in the Chauncey Billups-Allen Iverson deal.

(1) McDyess eventually re-signed with the Pistons then, citing a loyalty to the organization and his desire to play for a championship-level team. Since then, however, the landscape has changed dramatically in Detroit.

The Pistons finished eighth in the Eastern Conference and were swept from the playoffs in the first round by the Cavaliers.

Then there is the matter of money. After committing most of their available cash to free agents Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva this summer, the Pistons (2)will only have between $3 million-$5 million to offer McDyess — substantially less than other suitors.

The Spurs appear to have announced their courtship of McDyess in a big way. The ball is in his court now.

(1) And now those desires conflict - loyalty to the Pistons, or a possible ring with the Spurs?

(2) McDonald can't do the maths? Or steal Bruno's? :rolleyes :lol He really is a terrible beat guy. It's hard to believe that the papers in SA haven't approached someone like Kori or LJ to do their Spurs reporting (I am assuming here that they haven't, although it is possible they have and that you guys said "no thanks").

[MaNu4Tres]

I only stayed in Houston one night, but I think my friend and I picked the wrong place to stay. We were only a few miles from the airport (never a good idea in an American city, as that's usually where the rough parts are) on 45 or 59 and it was so dodgy that we just got ourselves some liquor and holed up in the room for the night. I'm pretty sure I heard gunshots at least twice. Needless to say, we hightailed it for Louisiana early next morning! :lol


That is a bad area lol. Greenspoint Mall is the mall right by that area you are talking about and everyone here calls it Gunpoint Mall. Not a good choice by you and your amigo sir. Ever make a trip again here feel free to ask any questions. There are nice areas believe it or not.

[poeticism707]

If he won't make a commitment with the offer within 24-48 hours, then you make a run after who's left - none of which are as good, but one of whom will have to do - e.g. Big Baby, Bass if available , ...

If he won't make a commitment within that time period, he is just unlikely to sign. It's not money, he just isn't capable of moving and accepting a great offer from the Spurs. You realize that he will never, ever in a million years sign (if he can't make a commitment within 24-48 hours) with you, write him off as having a freak phobia of winning a championship and move on.:hat

Yeah, that's the scary part. The Spurs ABSOLUTELY CANNOT AFFORD TO WAIT. So if whether Dice is coming or not, he has to decide, and fast.

[Vic Petro]

I think we'll hear something tomorrow. He has the Spurs offer. He wants to meet with Dumars one more time before deciding, which means he'll likely meet with him tomorrow. Business is business. I'd assume we'll know for sure sometime tomorrow evening or Thurs morning the latest.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

The part of Jersey where I'm from (Northeast) is pretty densely populated and citified. As you start travelling South things get more open/less condensed. AC is funny because although it has a lot of money floating around in casinos and such the city it is interwoven with some rather seedy looking areas....still a cool place to visit though.


Outside of the casino area, Atlantic City is honestly junk.

Yeah, I needed to get my glasses fixed so I went for a walk one day and it is a very poor place. Two streets back from the boardwalk and you're in a different world. Sad, really.

[poeticism707]

you know what will be ironic? if detroit clears enough room to offer mcdyess a similar contract. guess what would have contributed to that? that's right, oberto's unguaranteed contract they got from the bucks.
:bang
Talk about nightmare on River Walk!!!

That would be a hard irony to face.

[jag]

The private message function seems ideally suited for faggots to talk about New Jersey and Houston days gone by.

This.

[ElNono]

I certainly hope we sent over the entire Silver Dancers team and this delay is only due to an orgy.

[TheProfessor]

5th ward in Houston is a charming place.
And so are some parts of Queens/the Bronx, southside Chicago, and various other areas of larger cities. What's your point?

[timvp]

One of Orlando's primary targets, Antonio McDyess, may no longer be available. The San Antonio Spurs are the front-runners to land the 34-year-old power forward, according to the San Antonio Express-News. The Spurs were able to sway McDyess by giving him the full mid-level exception, which is expected to be $5.2 million this season.

Smith said he had the authority to offer McDyess a similar deal, but he has made the decision to split up his remaining money because Orlando has just eight players under contract. The Magic traded three players (Courtney Lee, Tony Battie and Rafer Alston) for two (Vince Carter and Ryan Anderson) and lost free-agent forward Hedo Turkoglu, who will sign a five-year, $53 million free-agent deal with the Toronto Raptors.

Awesome. Looks like you can scratch Orlando off the list of suitors :tu

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090708/SPORTS16/907080311/1002/SPORTS/Magic+GM+will+take+his+time+with+Gortat

[DPG21920]

And so are some parts of Queens/the Bronx, southside Chicago, and various other areas of larger cities. What's your point?

It was a joke. No need to rep your city so hard :lol

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

That is a bad area lol. Greenspoint Mall is the mall right by that area you are talking about and everyone here calls it Gunpoint Mall. Not a good choice by you and your amigo sir. Ever make a trip again here feel free to ask any questions. There are nice areas believe it or not.

Thanks.

I think we even went to Gunpoint Mall on the way outta town the next morning... that's right, we did because I needed to get a wad of cash ($600 IIRC)! :lmao

Yeah, if I'm ever in Houston again we'll check out the Heights, and I'll PM you for suggestions. :)

[Mavs<Spurs]

Yeah, that's the scary part. The Spurs ABSOLUTELY CANNOT AFFORD TO WAIT. So if whether Dice is coming or not, he has to decide, and fast.

wasn't there something of a condition placed by the Celtics upon Sheed - that he had 48 hours or so to accept the offer ?

Because if we don't get him, there's very little of value left and we have to get the best big that we can. So, that's why I think that we have to give him up to 48 hours to make a firm commitment and sign the papers, and after that proceed as if McDyess isn't coming aboard.

The good news is that this should enable us to know where we stand within 2 days (which is the whole point).

[ElNono]

Awesome. Looks like you can scratch Orlando off the list of suitors :tu

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090708/SPORTS16/907080311/1002/SPORTS/Magic+GM+will+take+his+time+with+Gortat

At this point you have to wonder if he will be announcing his retirement.
This is unbelievable.

[TheProfessor]

It was a joke. No need to rep your city so hard :lol
:lol Fair enough.

[NewJerSpur]

The private message function seems ideally suited for faggots to talk about New Jersey and Houston days gone by.

I take it you don't live in either. Be interesting to see how patient the team is regarding Antonio's decision.

[ElNono]

Take the fucking money Dice... and run with it!!!

[Sean Cagney]

I certainly hope we sent over the entire Silver Dancers team and this delay is only due to an orgy.

SHYT I wish that was me then in his shoes if they were to do that there.

[Spursmania]

Dumars knows the numbers now. He can only offer McDyess so much.
McDyess already knows the lowest price he is willing to accept to stay in Detroit.

I would give him 24 hours after he meets with Dumars.
Then, I'd go after plan C.

[loveforthegame]

timvp, thanks for all the updates. :tu

Let's hope we hear something in the next day or two. The wait is killing me.

[MaNu4Tres]

The private message function seems ideally suited for faggots to talk about New Jersey and Houston days gone by.

Ignoring and continuing on with the McDyess thread seems like a logical and mature option as well. Or you can bitch and moan like your KBP on the rag.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Awesome. Looks like you can scratch Orlando off the list of suitors :tu

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090708/SPORTS16/907080311/1002/SPORTS/Magic+GM+will+take+his+time+with+Gortat

Nice find!

That leaves only Cleveland as another suitor, and I'm sure they are focussed on Varejao... which means Dice's loyalty vs Dice's thirst for a ring and a decent paycheck. C'mon Dice, there's a possible ring on offer, and a chance to partner with Timmy D, you know SA is the way to go.

[scottspurs]

Patience is Key. I'm off to bed. Hopefully it will be official when I wake up. Probably more like tommorrow evening though.

[ElNono]

Patience is Key. I'm off to bed. Hopefully it will be official when I wake up. Probably more like tommorrow evening though.

I hear you. 1:30 AM here in the east coast and I gotta get up in 5 hours...
Better get some sleep and read the news tomorrow.

[VivaPopovich]

the race to witch mountain is on!

[Spursmania]

Have to wake up in a few hours for work, Damn, it's going to be a long day. I'm off...

[will_spurs]

Awesome. Looks like you can scratch Orlando off the list of suitors :tu

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090708/SPORTS16/907080311/1002/SPORTS/Magic+GM+will+take+his+time+with+Gortat

Gotta love the news watch - although SA isn't the only city with dubious beat writers, since the guy says the MLE is expected to be around $5.2 mil when we already know it's $5.585 mil :rolleyes

[loveforthegame]

I don't know why I stay up either. Might as well get some sleep and hope for the best when I wake up in the morning.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Gotta love the news watch - although SA isn't the only city with dubious beat writers, since the guy says the MLE is expected to be around $5.2 mil when we already know it's $5.585 mil :rolleyes

bloggers ahead with more facts sooner compared to traditional journalists.

It's a new age.

[poeticism707]

Gotta love the news watch - although SA isn't the only city with dubious beat writers, since the guy says the MLE is expected to be around $5.2 mil when we already know it's $5.585 mil :rolleyes

I'm pretty sure the MLE this year is 5.8m.

[Russ]

That leaves only Cleveland as another suitor, ... which means Dice's loyalty vs Dice's thirst for a ring and a decent paycheck.

Hopefully, Dice will remember how his former fellow Piston Ben Wallace fell of the face of the earth when he ended up in Cleveland.

Let that be a lesson, Dice. :flag:

[NewJerSpur]

Hopefully, Dice will remember how his former fellow Piston Ben Wallace fell of the face of the earth when he ended up in Cleveland.

Let that be a lesson, Dice. :flag:

His disappearance really happened when he went to Chicago for big money though. He was a decent role player in Cleveland before his knee gave out.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Okay, McDyess, where else are you going to get 27 pages of fan appreciation?

:lol

[celldweller]

Here's some good news I would Think: Detroit looking at Brandon Bass

http://www.freep.com/article/20090707/SPORTS03/907070353/Free+agent+Brandon+Bass+could+be+quite+a+catch+

[Doctor J]

Hi Dice,

Your face has decorated my computer wallpaper now.

C'mon... come to San Antonio.

San Antonio McDyess!!!

[Doctor J]

Here's some good news I would Think: Detroit looking at Brandon Bass

http://www.freep.com/article/20090707/SPORTS03/907070353/Free+agent+Brandon+Bass+could+be+quite+a+catch+

That news includes Avery Johnson stuff.

That's not new. Avery Johnson has already been kicked out by Joe.

[celldweller]

That news includes Avery Johnson stuff.

That's not new. Avery Johnson has already been kicked out by Joe.

Damn! F*ck this, I'm going to bed. Time to pray :sleep.

[GooberNuts]

http://www.dailyequine.com/horsesaddleshop/kelly-spurs-dice.jpg

Dice on the Spurs... it is written...

[raspsa]

C'mon McDyess, what are you waiting for.. there's a reason they're called the San ANTONIO Spurs.. it's your desiny to wear the silver and black and put an end to all the speculation at ST..:lol

[Bruno]

Something to keep in mind is the roster charge rule.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q14


A roster charge if the team has fewer than 12 players (players under contract, free agents included in team salary, players given offer sheets, and first round draft picks). The roster charge is equal to the rookie minimum salary for each player below 12. The roster charge only applies during the offseason.

Pistons have only 11 players right now, so you have to add one rookie minimum salary ($457,588) to their team salary.

If Pistons salary dump Affalo and Shard they won't save nearly $2M because two roster charges will be added to their team salary. They will save $0.9M by dumping both.

Right now, Detroit cap space depends on what Villanueva and Gordon contracts are.
If it's $55M for Gordon and $40M for CV, Pistons have $2.1M in cap space.
If it's $55M for Gordon and $35M for CV, they have $3M...

[Blackjack]

If 'Dyess actually signs here, Pop's going to make his man-love for Finley look more like that of an acquaintance.

Fin may not leave the team, but 'Dyess is just the man to get Pop over his old flame..

[raspsa]

I reallky hope Dice signs with the Spurs.. we've got to nip in the bud all this talk about the Spurs being too young and inexperienced to contend for the championship.. just when everyone was getting comfortable with the "old as dirt" label..

[Duncan2177]

I just went on spursreport.com and it says the server is busy check back later? I wonder if it has something to do with Dice?

[Leetonidas]

I just went on spursreport.com and it says the server is busy check back later? I wonder if it has something to do with Dice?

No, that website just sucks ass.

[anonoftheinternets]

someone shud start a reverse jinx thread to seal teh deal ...

[poeticism707]

I reallky hope Dice signs with the Spurs.. we've got to nip in the bud all this talk about the Spurs being too young and inexperienced to contend for the championship.. just when everyone was getting comfortable with the "old as dirt" label..

That would be great! I'm beyond sick of hearing the "old" lingo tossed around on nationally televised games, as if these guys are 100. Of course Dice is 34, so it would hardly help to shed any labels.

But first of course, he has to sign.

[DPG21920]

Man crushes for Bruno!!!!

[Blackjack]

Something to keep in mind is the roster charge rule.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q14



Pistons have only 11 players right now, so you have to add one rookie minimum salary ($457,588) to their team salary.

If Pistons salary dump Affalo and Shard they won't save nearly $2M because two roster charges will be added to their team salary. They will save $0.9M by dumping both.

Right now, Detroit cap space depends on what Villanueva and Gordon contracts are.
If it's $55M for Gordon and $40M for CV, Pistons have $2.1M in cap space.
If it's $55M for Gordon and $35M for CV, they have $3M...

Great info.:toast

For one of the first times in a long time, however..

I'm not sure the professional athlete desired, is in it for the money.

'Dyess enjoyed a career rebirth in Detroit, thanks in large part, because of a gamble made by Dumars and a stretch of ensuing good health that rewarded, said gamble.

He's had a lot of good fortune in Detroit (both on and off the court) and has to feel grateful, and maybe even somewhat beholden, to Dumars. But, if Dumars is the type of guy I think he is?

I think he'll encourage a guy like 'Dyess to go get the ring.

[poeticism707]

Great info.:toast

For one of the first times in a long time, however..

I'm not sure the professional athlete desired, is in it for the money.

'Dyess enjoyed a career rebirth in Detroit, thanks in large part, because of a gamble made by Dumars and a stretch of ensuing good health that rewarded, said gamble.

He's had a lot of good fortune in Detroit (both on and off the court) and has to feel grateful, and maybe even somewhat beholden, to Dumars. But, if Dumars is the type of guy I think he is?

I think he'll encourage a guy like 'Dyess to go get the ring.

Or to sign with the Pistons for 1.2m per...

[celldweller]

Something to keep in mind is the roster charge rule.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q14



Pistons have only 11 players right now, so you have to add one rookie minimum salary ($457,588) to their team salary.

If Pistons salary dump Affalo and Shard they won't save nearly $2M because two roster charges will be added to their team salary. They will save $0.9M by dumping both.

Right now, Detroit cap space depends on what Villanueva and Gordon contracts are.
If it's $55M for Gordon and $40M for CV, Pistons have $2.1M in cap space.
If it's $55M for Gordon and $35M for CV, they have $3M...


Damn your good!!! :toast

[poeticism707]

Does anyone still remember that a Laker fan started this thread?!?

Curious.

[Bruno]

'Dyess enjoyed a career rebirth in Detroit, thanks in large part, because of a gamble made by Dumars and a stretch of ensuing good health that rewarded, said gamble.

He's had a lot of good fortune in Detroit (both on and off the court) and has to feel grateful, and maybe even somewhat beholden, to Dumars. But, if Dumars is the type of guy I think he is?

I think he'll encourage a guy like 'Dyess to go get the ring.

Agree, I think Dumars is the one who holds the keys.

[poeticism707]

Agree, I think Dumars is the one who holds the keys.

If Dice chooses the Pistons, then the Spurs next MLE offer will be to Big Baby Davis.

[celldweller]

If Dumars wanted McDyess back it would be a done deal. It's hard for Dumars to tell him to "move on" especially for his extreme past loyalty. This is a rebuilding year for Detroit, and McDyess is not going to be a part of it. The nicest thing Dumars can do for McDyess is to let him go. McDyess will thank him later. IMHO.

[Blackjack]

If Dice chooses the Pistons, then the Spurs next MLE offer will be to Big Baby Davis.

Whoooaa, there, new fella'....

That's the type of post that gets one banned.:hat

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs do not get McDyess, I would rather them not use it and save some money. Just go with Bonner for a while and pursue a trade. If they are going to use it anyways, I would rather them split it on Moon/Big or wing/big.

[poeticism707]

Whoooaa, there, new fella'....

That's the type of post that gets one banned.:hat

:lol

I'll never understand why Davis is getting such a bad rap. He'd be great for the Spurs, and while Dice is the best option now, Davis is ONLY 23.

Signing him for a 5 year MLE, based on what's he's proven on a championship team, would be huge win for the Spurs.

So, why does no one want the :baby again?!?

[Blackjack]

:lol

I'll never understand why Davis is getting such a bad rap. He'd be great for the Spurs, and while Dice is the best option now, Davis is ONLY 23.

Signing him for a 5 year MLE, based on what's he's proven on a championship team, would be huge win for the Spurs.

So, why does no one want the :baby again?!?

It's not that he's a terrible player or wouldn't be useful, it's just that he doesn't fill the needs of the Spurs.

He's not a good defender, he's undersized, he doesn't rebound or alter shots, and other than an improved jumper, there's nothing he brings that Blair can't.

Just not a wise investment of nearly 6M dollars, imo.

[mudyez]

If the Spurs do not get McDyess, I would rather them not use it and save some money. Just go with Bonner for a while and pursue a trade. If they are going to use it anyways, I would rather them split it on Moon/Big or wing/big.

I really like the idea if adding Dyess and actually I believe he was our otion #1 all the time, but if we dont get him, I'm all for adding someone young...hell even Big Baby sounds good for me(him and Blair at PF?...why not?). Then we can see how it is working out and if it doesn't we can see what we can do come trade deadline time. I'm pretty sure, that there will be nice options to upgrade.

[Doctor J]

It's not that he's a terrible player or wouldn't be useful, it's just that he doesn't fill the needs of the Spurs.

He's not a good defender, he's undersized, he doesn't rebound or alter shots, and other than an improved jumper, there's nothing he brings that Blair can't.

Just not a wise investment of nearly 6M dollars, imo.

Ditto!

[poeticism707]

It's not that he's a terrible player or wouldn't be useful, it's just that he doesn't fill the needs of the Spurs.

He's not a good defender, he's undersized, he doesn't rebound or alter shots, and other than an improved jumper, there's nothing he brings that Blair can't.

Just not a wise investment of nearly 6M dollars, imo.

He fights for Post position maybe as well (or a little better than Dice), he's 6'9 in Shoes (pre-draft), improved jumper, rebounds average but boxes out well, hedges screens well, especially for a larger player, and isn't afraid to shoot with confidence in both the season and playoffs.

Blair very well may be a great rebounder, but he'll likely never have the shooting touch and confidence of Davis. What's more, a shooting big like him would work great with Duncan, obviously.

Anyway, Dice is better now, but if the Spurs can't get him, I'd like them to make Davis an offer.

[NewJerSpur]

He fights for Post position maybe as well (or a little better than Dice), he's 6'9 in Shoes (pre-draft), improved jumper, rebounds average but boxes out well, hedges screens well, especially for a larger player, and isn't afraid to shoot with confidence in both the season and playoffs.

Blair very well may be a great rebounder, but he'll likely never have the shooting touch and confidence of Davis. What's more, a shooting big like him would work great with Duncan, obviously.

Anyway, Dice is better now, but if the Spurs can't get him, I'd like them to make Davis an offer.

Could've used Big Baby this past, uncharacteristically shortened playoff run....now, not so much.

[Doctor J]

He fights for Post position maybe as well (or a little better than Dice), he's 6'9 in Shoes (pre-draft), improved jumper, rebounds average but boxes out well, hedges screens well, especially for a larger player, and isn't afraid to shoot with confidence in both the season and playoffs.

Blair very well may be a great rebounder, but he'll likely never have the shooting touch and confidence of Davis. What's more, a shooting big like him would work great with Duncan, obviously.

Anyway, Dice is better now, but if the Spurs can't get him, I'd like them to make Davis an offer.


What you see is correct.

But Davis cannot be a championship puzzle the Spurs need.

And he does NOT deserve 6mil. That's why.

[Blackjack]

He fights for Post position maybe as well (or a little better than Dice), he's 6'9 in Shoes (pre-draft), improved jumper, rebounds average but boxes out well, hedges screens well, especially for a larger player, and isn't afraid to shoot with confidence in both the season and playoffs.

Blair very well may be a great rebounder, but he'll likely never have the shooting touch and confidence of Davis. What's more, a shooting big like him would work great with Duncan, obviously.

Anyway, Dice is better now, but if the Spurs can't get him, I'd like them to make Davis an offer.

Yeah, I agree with maybe one thing you wrote there.

Baby's not afraid to shoot that improved jumper and it's been pretty impressive. :tu

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[poeticism707]

What you see is correct.

But Davis cannot be a championship puzzle the Spurs need.

And he does NOT deserve 6mil. That's why.

I wouldn't call it overpaying, but the Spurs can't lowball Davis, or Boston will match. And 6 mil for a quality player who is that young is a good deal: if you need evidence, look at (though otherwise unrelated except for misjudged quality) McGrady's max contract. Again, for only 5.8 mil, the mle, I think it would be a great signing by the Spurs, financially and otherwise. Maybe they'd still need another piece through a trade, but there are worse things, like doing nothing.

Of course, if the Spurs get Dice, then's it not an issue. If they don't, I think they should make an offer to Davis: worst case scenario, the Spurs force Boston to "overpay" since the stole Sheed!:lol

[Yuixafun]

If we traded Finley to Detroit resulting somehow in landing Dice and the Spurs won another championship (his first)...

[poeticism707]

Yeah, I agree with maybe one thing you wrote there.

Baby's not afraid to shoot that improved jumper and it's been pretty impressive. :tu

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Fair enough!

Always a pleasure!:toast

[mudyez]

its all about versatility...I like the idea of having like 3 or 4 different options to complement Duncan:

1) Blair of we feel the need for great defense and rebounding

2) Davis if we feel, that we need more spacing while not giving up someone to hold his position in the block

3) Haislip if we want to go out and run (Parkerlineup?)

4) Bonner for really good spacing

only problem would be, that we are undersized with two of them on the floor..but in the PO's we better have a healthy TD anyway!

I'm all for Dyess, but give me Davis or (even better) Zaza if we cant get him!

[poeticism707]

its all about versatility...I like the idea of having like 3 or 4 different options to complement Duncan:

1) Blair of we feel the need for great defense and rebounding

2) Davis if we feel, that we need more spacing while not giving up someone to hold his position in the block

3) Haislip if we want to go out and run (Parkerlineup?)

4) Bonner for really good spacing

only problem would be, that we are undersized with two of them on the floor..but in the PO's we better have a healthy TD anyway!

I'm all for Dyess, but give me Davis or (even better) Zaza if we cant get him!

I like ZaZa, but my personal order of remaining bigs are Dice, Davis, then Zaza.

[024]

people are expecting too much out of blair. he has yet to play one single NBA game and everyone is already fawning over him. i think he'll be a good player too but to say that he is better than davis at this point is as ridiculous as thinking pops was going to average 30 and 15 on the spurs.

[poeticism707]

people are expecting too much out of blair. he has yet to play one single NBA game and everyone is already fawning over him. i think he'll be a good player too but to say that he is better than davis at this point is as ridiculous as thinking pops was going to average 30 and 15 on the spurs.
:lol:lol:lol

Yeah, Blair may be a great rebounder, but he'll have to prove it.

Even if he does (hopefully he does), he still won't have a great jumper like Davis.

But as I said, if the Spurs can't get Dice, make the MLE offer to Davis!

[jjktkk]

people are expecting too much out of blair. he has yet to play one single NBA game and everyone is already fawning over him. i think he'll be a good player too but to say that he is better than davis at this point is as ridiculous as thinking pops was going to average 30 and 15 on the spurs.

IMO Blair will be a better fit than Davis because of the demands Pop wants for that position. Because of Duncan and Bonner, Pop doesn't need a front court scorer as much as he needs some defense and rebounding. I think Blair can better fill that need. I don't think Davis or Blair are nothing more than rotation players, not starting material.

[timvp]

The team also continues to be in touch with free-agent forward Antonio McDyess. It is starting to look as if he will not return to the Detroit Pistons. The Cavs are in the running, but Yahoo Sports reported Tuesday that McDyess may decide to sign with the San Antonio Spurs in part because it is close to his Houston home.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/124704199868070.xml&coll=2

[InK]

I'm not celebrating until the ink is dry on the paper.

Yea, ditto.

[bostonguy]

Man that's the guy I wished the Celts would have gotten instead. :depressed

[Doctor J]

Wow, this thread has been viewed 25,000 times so far????

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

"McDyess has narrowed his choices down to Detroit and San Antonio. San Antonio can give him their full mid-level if they chose to ($5.85 million). Knowing how the Spurs normally operate, they might want to split that mid-level on two players. Still, they have more juice than the Pistons. Detroit News"

Hope this is true, wouldn't it be fantastic if we
got him for only a portion of the MLE?

[poeticism707]

Man that's the guy I wished the Celts would have gotten instead. :depressed

Well, you got Sheed, so it's not like you guys got nothing!

Hopefully, the Spurs get Dice, and then both teams will be pretty even in FA signings this summer!:hat

[rascal]

If the Spurs do not get McDyess, I would rather them not use it and save some money. Just go with Bonner for a while and pursue a trade. If they are going to use it anyways, I would rather them split it on Moon/Big or wing/big.

You can't give starters minutes to Bonner. That was a failure last year.

[poeticism707]

You can't give starters minutes to Bonner. That was a failure last year.
:bang

[InK]

"McDyess has narrowed his choices down to Detroit and San Antonio. San Antonio can give him their full mid-level if they chose to ($5.85 million). Knowing how the Spurs normally operate, they might want to split that mid-level on two players. Still, they have more juice than the Pistons. Detroit News"

Hope this is true, wouldn't it be fantastic if we
got him for only a portion of the MLE?

I hope they aren't making a case out of it. If we loose him becasue we didn't offer him the full MLE, and put the whole 2009-2010 in jeopardy, while having no problems with taking on RJ massive 13m, then we are just plain dumb.

[mountainballer]

"McDyess has narrowed his choices down to Detroit and San Antonio. San Antonio can give him their full mid-level if they chose to ($5.85 million). Knowing how the Spurs normally operate, they might want to split that mid-level on two players. Still, they have more juice than the Pistons. Detroit News"

Hope this is true, wouldn't it be fantastic if we
got him for only a portion of the MLE?

would be a great deal and could still get Dice the same money via the 3rd year.
(4.3+4.65+5.0, last season 50% guaranteed). the Spurs would save either 1.5 million in taxes next season, maybe also the same, if they are tax payers next year and/or could use the remaining 1.5 million to significantly beat a veteran minimum offer, if needed. (that is 1.26 million)

[InK]

Well, you got Sheed, so it's not like you guys got nothing!

Hopefully, the Spurs get Dice, and then both teams will be pretty even in FA signings this summer!:hat

We take Sheed and they can be "in the lead" for Dice any day of the week.

[TJastal]

Good lord, yet another Rasheed knob gobbler.

Rasheed is done. Kaput. If he had anything left in the tank he would have come to San Antonio. He knows he don't that's why he signed with Boston to play a backup role.

Go join the Celtics bandwagon and take along the 20+ other Wallace worshippers with you.

[poeticism707]

Good lord, yet another Rasheed knob gobbler.

Rasheed is done. Kaput. If he had anything left in the tank he would have come to San Antonio. He knows he don't that's why he signed with Boston to play a backup role.

Go join the Celtics bandwagon and take along the 20+ other Wallace worshippers with you.

That's pretty harsh, friend.

However, I agree there is no point in getting hung up on Sheed: he made his decision, and now the Spurs must explore other options.

Most especially, there is no need to pine over Sheed if the Spurs get Dice, who is arguably better, and inarguably younger!:king

[Pistons < Spurs]

:bang I woke up this morning hoping to see some progress in the Dice signing. Hopefully today is the day. Go get him Spurs!

[poeticism707]

:bang I woke up this morning hoping to see some progress in the Dice signing. Hopefully today is the day. Go get him Spurs!

I'm going to :sleepnow, but hopefully we hear something soon!

Good day to you sir!:toast

[ploto]

I still don't see that the Spurs offering more money makes them necessarily the front runner. Actually, it seems to me that it indicates the Spurs inability to convince McDyess to sign and therefore the need to offer that extra little bonus of a couple of million dollars.

The fact that he still has not decided continues to mean to me that he is waiting to see who the new coach will be in Detroit. He really would like to stay there and if they are going to put together a competitive season, then I think that may be all he needs to decide to stay. If instead they were going to tank it and rebuild, then he would leave.

[sabar]

I still don't see that the Spurs offering more money makes them necessarily the front runner. Actually, it seems to me that it indicates the Spurs inability to convince McDyess to sign and therefore the need to offer that extra little bonus of a couple of million dollars.

The Spurs more than likely offered the entire MLE up front anyways, it isn't a sign of anything, it's normal business.

[Pistons < Spurs]

I still don't see that the Spurs offering more money makes them necessarily the front runner. Actually, it seems to me that it indicates the Spurs inability to convince McDyess to sign and therefore the need to offer that extra little bonus of a couple of million dollars.

The fact that he still has not decided continues to mean to me that he is waiting to see who the new coach will be in Detroit. He really would like to stay there and if they are going to put together a competitive season, then I think that may be all he needs to decide to stay. If instead they were going to tank it and rebuild, then he would leave.

We are fully in rebuild mode. And Dice already knows that. But there's hope that we'll still be a competitive ball club. Not 'contenders' by any stretch. But a 5/6/7 seed is not out of the question. Dice is just loyal to a fault.

[K-State Spur]

He fights for Post position maybe as well (or a little better than Dice), he's 6'9 in Shoes (pre-draft), improved jumper, rebounds average but boxes out well, hedges screens well, especially for a larger player, and isn't afraid to shoot with confidence in both the season and playoffs.

Blair very well may be a great rebounder, but he'll likely never have the shooting touch and confidence of Davis. What's more, a shooting big like him would work great with Duncan, obviously.

Anyway, Dice is better now, but if the Spurs can't get him, I'd like them to make Davis an offer.

all of that is true regarding big baby in last year's playoffs.

none of that is true for the rest of his 2 year career.

[completely deck]

Goooood morning McDyess thread! Let's hope for some good news today!

[scottspurs]

Sounds like his Houston home played a role in the spurs getting him after all.

Patience.

Time will Reward.

[DBMethos]

Hopefully during the scheduled meeting between Dyess and Dumars, Joe will thank Dyess for his loyalty, tell him to move on and go get his ring.

[timvp]

The Pistons still have an estimated $3.5 million to sign another free agent. They're hoping to resign Antonio McDyess, though McDyess can get approximately $2 million more for a starting salary if he signs elsewhere.

http://www.themorningsun.com/articles/2009/07/08/sports/srv0000005789525.txt

[polandprzem]

Money or wife?

[timvp]

The Rich Get Richer: Former Piston forward Antonio McDyess has agreed to join the San Antonio Spurs. Word is he'll sign a three-year deal with two years fully guaranteed and a third non-guaranteed year. McDyess coming off the market also changes the path of Brandon Bass, rumor has it that New Orleans and Orlando are the strongest suitors for Bass, however sources close to Brandon's camp say with McDyess leaving Detroit, the Pistons who have a little bit of change left under the salary cap after deals with Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva will pursue Bass.

All of it may be futile, as it's believed the Dallas Mavericks have told Bass to find his best deal and they would likely match it. Bass is unrestircted so he can choose any team he likes, but if the Mavericks will top the best offer he receives, he may be a free agent ghost.

Magic GM Otis Smith is expected to take the entire seven days before making a final decision on restricted free agent Marcin Gortat, with an informed sources saying Otis intend to play Gortat against Bass, saying to Bass if he does not make a decision on Orlando the team would match Gortat. It's believed Antonio McDyess was the second name on Orlando's wish list.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13221


Got damn, HoopsWorld is such fail. That whole take was filed with errors. The most blatant being that Otis Smith admitted they weren't even going after McDyess.

I hesitate to even post this because someone might actually believe the first line is coming from a legit source.

[urunobili]

Goooood morning McDyess thread! Let's hope for some good news today!

:tu

[scottspurs]

Link coming, McDyess is a Spur.

[scottspurs]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13221

Mcdyess a spur.

[timvp]

Link coming, McDyess is a Spur.

You better not come with the HoopsWorld link :nope

[timvp]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13221

Mcdyess a spur.

:lmao @ believing HoopsWorld

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13221

Mcdyess a spur.


You better not come with the HoopsWorld link :nope

:lmao

PWNED.

[Texas_Ranger]

:lol

[scottspurs]

You better not come with the HoopsWorld link :nope

Patience it is going to happen.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Got damn, HoopsWorld is such fail. That whole take was filed with errors. The most blatant being that Otis Smith admitted they weren't even going after McDyess.

I hesitate to even post this because someone might actually believe the first line is coming from a legit source.

The Rich Get Richer: Former Piston forward Antonio McDyess has agreed to join the San Antonio Spurs. Word is he'll sign a three-year deal with two years fully guaranteed and a third non-guaranteed year.

These people are like the National Enquirer for basketball. Ridiculous !

:bang

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

This shiznit isn't going to be decided until the afternoon over there, so peeps better find something to do so they don't go stir-crazy.

I have the flu (and a bad one it is too - been very sick for 3 1/2 days now), and I can't sleep, so I'm watching the Ashes and popping in here now and then I guess.

[timvp]

Patience it is going to happen.

Why are you telling me patience? I'm not the one posting HoopsWorld as fact.

[Mavs<Spurs]

:lmao @ believing HoopsWorld


Originally Posted by scottspurs View Post

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13221

Mcdyess a spur.

@ believing HoopsWorld

Total pwnage !

:lmao

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

The Rich Get Richer: Former Piston forward Antonio McDyess has agreed to join the San Antonio Spurs. Word is he'll sign a three-year deal with two years fully guaranteed and a third non-guaranteed year.

These people are like the National Enquirer for basketball. Ridiculous !

:bang

Better not say things like that or you'll get in trouble! :lmao

[Mavs<Spurs]

This shiznit isn't going to be decided until the afternoon over there, so peeps better find something to do so they don't go stir-crazy.

I have the flu (and a bad one it is too - been very sick for 3 1/2 days now), and I can't sleep, so I'm watching the Ashes and popping in here now and then I guess.

Hope you feel better soon, Ruff !

:toast

[polandprzem]

Shit you bastards!

Damn HoopsWorld :pctoss

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Patience it is going to happen.


Why are you telling me patience? I'm not the one posting HoopsWorld as fact.

Exactly.

If you're looking for something to do, go back and read this thread from page 1 and take a look who predicted all this a week ago when everyone else was all over Sheed's jock. There are about 5 of us. :D

[scottspurs]

Keep the bashing coming.

[Mavs<Spurs]

I want my McDyess signing now !

:pctoss:hungry::baby:cry

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Hope you feel better soon, Ruff !

:toast

Thanks mate, me too. I wonder if I have the swine flu?

Whatever it is, this is the sickest I've been since I got Cedar Fever in SA back in 2007 (we had 5 days of frozen rain, then it was warm overnight, and I guess that triggered the pollen), which turned into bronchitis and coughing up blood. Actually, this is not even a patch on that - the Cedar Fever was so bad that breathing and swallowing were like running a blade up and down the inside of my throat. This is tame by comparison.

Anyone else out there get severe symptoms from Cedar Fever? I guess it was bad on me because we don't have much cedar over here, so my body had no defense to the pollen.

[Mavs<Spurs]

Keep the bashing coming.

If you keep linking to hoopsworld and referring to McDyess coming as fact confirmed by Hoopsworld, then the bashing will keep coming, I can assure you.

:rolleyes

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Keep the bashing coming.

Either get a sense of humour, or post more reliable links! :lol

(Hoopsworld is well known and often discussed here for the fact that most of what is on the site is utter shite).

[Mavs<Spurs]

Thanks mate, me too. I wonder if I have the swine flu?

Whatever it is, this is the sickest I've been since I got Cedar Fever in SA back in 2007 (we had 5 days of frozen rain, then it was warm overnight, and I guess that triggered the pollen), which turned into bronchitis and coughing up blood. Actually, this is not even a patch on that - the Cedar Fever was so bad that breathing and swallowing were like running a blade up and down the inside of my throat. This is tame by comparison.

Anyone else out there get severe symptoms from Cedar Fever? I guess it was bad on me because we don't have much cedar over here, so my body had no defense to the pollen.

I've got a Sinus infection, on antibiotics.

No cedar fever here. But I hear that it is pretty common in this area.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I want my McDyess signing now !

:pctoss:hungry::baby:cry

What time is it over there?

Let's run a pool - I'm guessing that news of the signing will become official at 2:38pm.

[anakha]

Hoopsworld?

We talkin' bout Hoopsworld?!

:lmao

[Mavs<Spurs]

I should apologize to National Enquirer for associating them with such unreliable tripe as comes out of Hoopsworld !

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I've got a Sinus infection, on antibiotics.

No cedar fever here. But I hear that it is pretty common in this area.

Well then, you get better too, eh? :toast

The screwed up thing about the Fever was that I went to the doctor and he didn't even mention it as a possibility, the tool. He also totally missed the fact that I was developing bronchitis, or maybe already had it. Very disappointing. Stay away from the clinic near Wurzbach and I10. ;)

[timvp]

What sucks is now other media is picking up the HoopsWorld garbage as fact. It'll be difficult figuring out what info isn't coming via HoopsWorld.

[polandprzem]

What sucks is now other media is picking up the HoopsWorld garbage as fact. It'll be difficult figuring out what info isn't coming via HoopsWorld.

I think we shoul look for an offcial infos from the reliable sources - that's it.

[polandprzem]

timvp ufc vbookie?

[scottspurs]

Sorry to all.

[timvp]

timvp ufc vbookie?When is it?

[polandprzem]

Damn i've got a badass avatar!

[polandprzem]

When is it?

This Saturday 7pm ET

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

What sucks is now other media is picking up the HoopsWorld garbage as fact. It'll be difficult figuring out what info isn't coming via HoopsWorld.

I'm not going to start up about it again, but this is exactly the point I was trying to make the other day about crappy, unreliable, twit-driven, rumour-mill media that doesn't check sources etc.

I may have been too nasty in making the point, and thus obscured it, but I was running a 102F fever at the time so I'm claiming a medical exemption.

/rant