Lost - The Final Season

[LnGrrrR]

:smokin Looks like we finally get the Hurley episode. That's what the preview appears to indicate. We also get a Michael callback.

"People are going to die, and it's going to be your fault." - Michael

Here's what I'm hoping they deal with in the Hurley episode...

"Lucky" Hurley in the FS -Did he use the cursed numbers, or different ones? Can he talk to the dead? I'm pretty sure they'll cover the first one... really hoping they show the second.

Michael callback - Will they mention Walt? I doubt it, but damn it, they need to.

I also want them to give Hurley something important to do other than be that guy who talks for dead people!

[exstatic]

Here's what I'm hoping they deal with in the Hurley episode...

"Lucky" Hurley in the FS -Did he use the cursed numbers, or different ones? Can he talk to the dead? I'm pretty sure they'll cover the first one... really hoping they show the second.

Michael callback - Will they mention Walt? I doubt it, but damn it, they need to.

I also want them to give Hurley something important to do other than be that guy who talks for dead people!

Since the beginning of the season, I've been pretty sure that Hurley was the one that would take Jacob's place. Is that important enough?

As for Walt, I think the tying up of that loose end was the convo he had with Locke when Locke went back to recruit the others to return to the Island. He's OK, but he's definitely out of the picture.

[JudynTX]

Since the beginning of the season, I've been pretty sure that Hurley was the one that would take Jacob's place. Is that important enough?

Really Ex, you've thought that? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

My sister says the same thing.

[Blake]

Since the beginning of the season, I've been pretty sure that Hurley was the one that would take Jacob's place. Is that important enough?

As for Walt, I think the tying up of that loose end was the convo he had with Locke when Locke went back to recruit the others to return to the Island. He's OK, but he's definitely out of the picture.

Do they have Vegas odds on who takes over?

I'd say Jack 2-1
Hurley 3-1
Sawyer 4-1
Pick-a-Kwon 6-1
Field 10-1
All of them put together as a group of Jacobs 100-1


What if Smokey dies? Who would take over the Flocke role?

Sayid 2-1
Kate 3-1
Claire 10-1
field 20-1

[Kermit]

Do they have Vegas odds on who takes over?

I'd say Jack 2-1
Hurley 3-1
Sawyer 4-1
Pick-a-Kwon 6-1
Field 10-1
All of them put together as a group of Jacobs 100-1


What if Smokey dies? Who would take over the Flocke role?

Sayid 2-1
Kate 3-1
Claire 10-1
field 20-1

Hopefully none. I'm pulling for a Smokey release and subsequent fucking up of everyone on the Island.

[Texas Chili Dog]

Crap I forgot today is Tuesday. FML...today was ridiculously busy at work and now I'm exhausted. Any minute now I'm gonna fall asleep and probably sleep through Lost. I need to set a recording just in case.

[Texas Chili Dog]

Terry O'Quinn's facial expressions are absolutely amazing. One look says a thousand words. Just from the way he looks at someone, you can pretty much tell what he's thinking. Fucking awesome and frightening at the same time.

Great episode. LOL @ Desmond running Locke over at the end.

[EmptyMan]

SPOILER:









Lost. What was that. Why must you continue to kill off my characters. Not only that, but you had to Arzt her!? C'monnnnnnnnn


Good night sweet princess.

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[Jacob1983]

Can someone get some icons or GIFs of Locke and fake Locke smiling?

Why did Desmond hit Locke with his car?

[Texas Chili Dog]

Locke isn't smiling here. But he's pretty damn scary lookin. :lol :wow


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[exstatic]

Can someone get some icons or GIFs of Locke and fake Locke smiling?

Why did Desmond hit Locke with his car?

Desmond is aware of both timelines, which means he think's it was actually John Locke that threw him down the well. No one told him any different, AFAIK. FLocke spirited him away before Sayid could say anything. He may be trying to affect the Island timeline by whacking Locke in the sideways timeline.

[Stringer_Bell]

Desmond is aware of both timelines, which means he think's it was actually John Locke that threw him down the well. No one told him any different, AFAIK. FLocke spirited him away before Sayid could say anything. He may be trying to affect the Island timeline by whacking Locke in the sideways timeline.

Well, that sounds better than my explanation...which is that he was trying to "induce" island memories into Locke that ways Libby did to Hugo. :lol

Finally there's some decent Hugo dialogue (in the FS). I hate what he's become on the island.

Weak ass explanation for the whispers...I think it's a red herring. The Michael we saw both times HAS TO BE Smokey. I think the whispers are actually the kids that keep popping up, they're like cherubs observing stuff. Leftovers from the original civilization that was there.

I'm still wanting to see Llana's background story with all the training she did, otherwise she was just an excuse to have another character to kill off for dramatic purposes.

Also, call me crazy, but I bet that there is no replacement for Smokey or Jacob. These flashsideways ARE the ending, and Desmond is just playing Hitch and hooking everyone up with their "love." :toast

[Texas Chili Dog]

I think the best part of the entire episode last night was the look fake Locke had on his face when he saw that Jack was one of those who came back to his island with Hurley.

[JudynTX]

Locke isn't smiling here. But he's pretty damn scary lookin. :lol :wow


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_L4o-Rx2TlJM/S2ndP8nihTI/AAAAAAAAAyg/rzJZHK5c-qY/s400/fake-locke_320.jpg

Damn, he's scary in that pic. :wow

Ok....about last night. Look, we've always known that Libby was Hurley's first love, so? I was expecting more. Yea, Michael's back, if that's really Michael and the "whispers" are people who can't move on? WTF....is it purgatory? :bang

Sigh! :lol

[Sii]

first bit was a little slow but overall another great episode

We saw how the people in the alt world are figuring out their other life

the Libby and hurley stuff was to show that

now that Desmond hit Locke in the alt world he will prob go to Jacks hospital and Jack will get the connection..and on and on

[ATRAIN]

Damn I dont know how they are going to finish this shit in a few more episodes.

[Jacob1983]

So is Penny Eva Mendes? I was surprised that Michael that didn't ask about Walt. Michael was usually saying "Walt" or "where's my son" when he was alive.

[Stringer_Bell]

So is Penny Eva Mendes? I was surprised that Michael that didn't ask about Walt. Michael was usually saying "Walt" or "where's my son" when he was alive.

That's another reason to suspect that it was not really "the ghost of Michael that can't pass on." If it's not proven to be smokey manipulating people, then the writers completely forgot who their own characters are and its pretty shitty we have to be the ones to think of the most logical things for them to say.

Tell Libby to forgive me, even though it was worth it to get my boy off this shitty island.

[Death In June]

Well, that sounds better than my explanation...which is that he was trying to "induce" island memories into Locke that ways Libby did to Hugo. :lolNah, I think you're right. It makes the most amount of sense within the context of the last few episodes. Aside from the whispers exchange, which felt a little forced, the episode was great. Anybody catch the fact that Dr. Chang doesn't age in the alt timeline? Production oversight, I'm guessing.

[Fpoonsie]

Someone remind me...where's Jin right now?

[AFBlue]

Someone remind me...where's Jin right now?

With Widmore on the other island.

[AFBlue]

Well, that sounds better than my explanation...which is that he was trying to "induce" island memories into Locke that ways Libby did to Hugo. :lol

Finally there's some decent Hugo dialogue (in the FS). I hate what he's become on the island.

Weak ass explanation for the whispers...I think it's a red herring. The Michael we saw both times HAS TO BE Smokey. I think the whispers are actually the kids that keep popping up, they're like cherubs observing stuff. Leftovers from the original civilization that was there.

I'm still wanting to see Llana's background story with all the training she did, otherwise she was just an excuse to have another character to kill off for dramatic purposes.

Also, call me crazy, but I bet that there is no replacement for Smokey or Jacob. These flashsideways ARE the ending, and Desmond is just playing Hitch and hooking everyone up with their "love." :toast

I think your first instinct that Desmond ran over Locke to get him to remember is right, because Locke never really established a connection with anything but the island itself...so there was no relationship with anyone to jog his memory.

I do think, however, that he chose to run him over because he remembered that Locke was a bastard that threw him into the well...this goes to your theory that the flash sideways are actually a result of the island story, which I happen to subscribe to.

[AFBlue]

Anybody catch the fact that Dr. Chang doesn't age in the alt timeline? Production oversight, I'm guessing.

Didn't catch that...very interesting.

[exstatic]

That's another reason to suspect that it was not really "the ghost of Michael that can't pass on." If it's not proven to be smokey manipulating people, then the writers completely forgot who their own characters are and its pretty shitty we have to be the ones to think of the most logical things for them to say.

Tell Libby to forgive me, even though it was worth it to get my boy off this shitty island.

I believe it's been established that at this point, FLocke can only appear as the Smoke Monster or as Locke.

You expect dead people to act like their live selves? It may be Jacob Marley syndrome: atonement in the afterlife. Maybe if any of "the whispers" helps the castaways, they can then "move on". Maybe Micheal knows exactly how Walt is.

[exstatic]

I think your first instinct that Desmond ran over Locke to get him to remember is right, because Locke never really established a connection with anything but the island itself...so there was no relationship with anyone to jog his memory.

I do think, however, that he chose to run him over because he remembered that Locke was a bastard that threw him into the well...this goes to your theory that the flash sideways are actually a result of the island story, which I happen to subscribe to.

I think just the opposite: I think what happens in the flash-sideways affects the island. Desmond thinks he's affecting Locke. Think about it: of all of the primaries, who had been hurt in the FS? Sun. She's also damaged on the island.

[LnGrrrR]

My theory is that Des can see the future now with regularity... hence why he's not afraid, why he knows the car accident won't kill Locke but make him see the island, why he said he has nowhere to run, etc etc.

[LnGrrrR]

Anybody catch the fact that Dr. Chang doesn't age in the alt timeline? Production oversight, I'm guessing.

A few people on the Fuselage boards were talking about that. I'm guessing it's a continuity error... or he ages REALLY well.

Oh yeah, and none of the answers I wanted, I got. I did like the KaBOOM scene though.

[sonic21]

There was definitely emphasis put on the staredown between Jack and Locke, there has to be a showdown at some point. Jack looked confused, MIB looked anxious I'd say.

[EmptyMan]

My favorite part was when Flocke asked Desmond, "Why aren't you scared?"


Desmond just stared at him like an O.G.




The pilot must play a HUGE role at the end with the plane Flocke wants to use to escape. I cannot understand why they keep this guy around and never really develop the character. That actor has a pretty strong presence on screen too.

[Jacob1983]

Lawnmower man may not make it to the final episode. Illana's death was somewhat shocking so I guess anything can happen.

[exstatic]

I think fear is another paradigm they're exploring. Sawyer knew IMMEDIATELY that Flocke wasn't John Locke, because "Locke was afraid all the time". Last episode, FLocke asks Desmond why he isn't afraid, then throws him down the well. I think lack of fear is a major threat to FLocke and/or his agenda.

[JudynTX]

:D Another Jack-centric episode, can't wait!

[sonic21]

so maybe everybody will end up in Jack's hospital.

Sun is hurt, Claire and Charlie are already here, John will be here i think.

[Blake]

Anybody catch the fact that Dr. Chang doesn't age in the alt timeline? Production oversight, I'm guessing.

good catch. He should be about 70 in the alt timeline.

[Blake]

The pilot must play a HUGE role at the end with the plane Flocke wants to use to escape. I cannot understand why they keep this guy around and never really develop the character. That actor has a pretty strong presence on screen too.

I like the pilot, but yeah, him sticking around on camera with no development or a pilot-centric episode must mean we'll be seeing him fly everyone off sooner or later.

[Blake]

so maybe everybody will end up in Jack's hospital.

Sun is hurt, Claire and Charlie are already here, John will be here i think.

huh. I didn't catch that either.

If Kate and/or Sawyer get hurt then I guess we can say that's a lock.

[Jacob1983]

So who was "the last recruit"? Jack? Or someone else? I liked tonight's episode. Kinda wish it would have been longer.

[Death In June]

So who was "the last recruit"? Jack? Or someone else? I liked tonight's episode. Kinda wish it would have been longer.I would assume so, since everyone abandoned the smoke monster.

[Jacob1983]

So Jack went from being on Jacob's team to fake Locke's(MIB) team? Interesting. I don't like the Tina Fey character. I really hope fake Locke takes care of her.

[jaffies]

I think fear is another paradigm they're exploring. Sawyer knew IMMEDIATELY that Flocke wasn't John Locke, because "Locke was afraid all the time". Last episode, FLocke asks Desmond why he isn't afraid, then throws him down the well. I think lack of fear is a major threat to FLocke and/or his agenda.


It feel it could be a combo of all human emotions, but FLocke heavily depends on the selfish responses to them.

It's why MiB said he had to give Claire something to hate.
Why he used Sayid's love for Nadia.
He used Sun and Jin's love for each other.
Saywer's whatever.
It goes with his claim that the people that come to the island are inherently ill-natured.

[jaffies]

So who was "the last recruit"? Jack?

Yup. It was the line of dialogue by Claire.
"whether you like it or not, you're with him".



PS> here's a good read:

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/04/ff_lost/all/1


P.P.S

My dural sac hurts.

[Jacob1983]

Locke didn't have anything to offer Jack. However, Jack did say that he came back to the island because he thought he was broken. Jacob was right about when a person talks and listens to MIB/Flocke. If you talk and listen to him, you're going to be hooked in by him. MIB/Flocke used that power on Sayid, Claire, Sawyer, and Sun & Jin.

[Stringer_Bell]

I don't believe how the LOST producers expect us to believe that such out of shape and clumsy people would accompany Widmore to the island. He can't possibly fit all those people on his little sub! I hope FLocke kills them all. Can't wait for the crap to hit the fan, blood will spill for sure.

I wonder if Jack will "fix" Locke in the flashsideways. That'd be pretty cool, as well as the hint that Sun/Jin eventually get married.

Still waiting for news on the Degroots and Hanso, I will not give up! :(

[Stringer_Bell]

Yup. It was the line of dialogue by Claire.
"whether you like it or not, you're with him".



PS> here's a good read:

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/04/ff_lost/all/1


P.P.S

My dural sac hurts.

TO EVERYONE THAT HASN'T READ IT, be careful about clicking on the picture and reading the board. If I read it write, it had more than a few spoilers in the timeline.

And interestingly, *non-spoiler* FLocke is called "P1" which I guess means Player 1. Real Locke had it all figured out from the start and now he's dead and got possessed because of it. :(

[circ]

Was that little pep talk between Flocke and Jack Flockes attempt to keep Jack from thinking he has a so-called mission on the island?
Seems to me that Jack was the last one that needed to be convinced there's nothing else to do on the island. The Last Recruit
I don't think Flockes mission really isn't to recruit them to be on his side, but more to convince them off the island.
Everyone on the island seems expendable, but does Flocke need them to die somewhere other than on the island?
I missed like 2 seasons worth so maybe someone can answer this question.
Can Jacob takeover the body of anyone that has died? How the fuck did MIB takeover Locke anyway? :D
Jack is pretty much the do-gooder of them all; maybe that's his mission. Jack feels he still has something important to do. When he realizes what it is everything will come to a head.
next episode: The Candidate

[LnGrrrR]

If you want spoilers, you can go to the Fuselage forum.

http://forum.thefuselage.com/

There's a spoiler section there, but you have to register. Good discussion on the episodes too.

I liked tonight's episode... they're still involving Aaron, which is nice, and called back to the whole "You're supposed to raise him", which gives me hope the writers won't drop that. Really enjoying the David/Jack alt dialogue.

Also, the building that the lawyers are in is the same building where the immigration lawyer my wife and I use is located. We were both like, "Oh hey! Cool!" when we saw the lobby.

[JudynTX]

Yup. It was the line of dialogue by Claire.
"whether you like it or not, you're with him".



PS> here's a good read:

http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/04/ff_lost/all/1


P.P.S

My dural sac hurts.

Damn, that's alot to absorb. Shit! :lol I printed it out though. :p:


Locke didn't have anything to offer Jack. However, Jack did say that he came back to the island because he thought he was broken. Jacob was right about when a person talks and listens to MIB/Flocke. If you talk and listen to him, you're going to be hooked in by him. MIB/Flocke used that power on Sayid, Claire, Sawyer, and Sun & Jin.

:tu Jack's not going anywhere, he's where he wants to be.


I
Still waiting for news on the Degroots and Hanso, I will not give up :((

I hope they mention them, but I doubt it. :(

[EmptyMan]

Pretty boring imo.


I'm glad Sayid isn't a completely mindless lap dog though.

[ATRAIN]

Damn this shit is bad ass!!!!

[ATRAIN]

I wonder if everyone is gonna make a comeback in the end. I hope Echo comes back.

[sonic21]

So Smokey was Christian, but Jack saw him off the Island in the hospital, how did smokey get off the island?

[LnGrrrR]

So Smokey was Christian, but Jack saw him off the Island in the hospital, how did smokey get off the island?

Or on the freighter when he appeared to Michael.

I'm hoping that's not the full answer... we'll see. It doesn't fully make sense, but I'm starting to accept that a good number of the puzzle pieces may not fit.

[exstatic]

Locke didn't have anything to offer Jack. However, Jack did say that he came back to the island because he thought he was broken. Jacob was right about when a person talks and listens to MIB/Flocke. If you talk and listen to him, you're going to be hooked in by him. MIB/Flocke used that power on Sayid, Claire, Sawyer, and Sun & Jin.

Yeah, they were SO under FLocke's power that they all (other than Sayid, who appears to perhaps have defied FLocke and let Desmond live) stole a boat and left. :lol

[exstatic]

So Smokey was Christian, but Jack saw him off the Island in the hospital, how did smokey get off the island?

I think FLocke was lying. I think Jacob was appearing as Christian each and every time. Jacob can obviously leave the island and it's periphery. FLocke appears to have to remain within a small area encompassed by The Island, Hydra Island, and a small area around them, probably whatever diameter travels with the island when it time-skips.

[Kamala]

So Jack is the last recruit of Flocke?

Is Hurley the candidate?

Don't have a damn clue!

I have a feeling many questions will be left unanswered- hope I'm wrong!

[Jacob1983]

I think Jack is the last recruit because he was the only one that went back to Locke. Everyone else wanted to be on the boat and leave the island for good but Jack wanted to stay because he thought he was suppose to do something on the island. Jack wants purpose and meaning. That's why he came back to the island because he was broken. I wish the real Locke would come back and beat Flocke's ass. I can't stand hearing Flocke talking shit about the real Locke. I don't care what anybody says. The real Locke was a badass on the island.

Did anyone laugh when Hurley mentioned Anakin to Sawyer?

[LnGrrrR]

Yeah, I liked that line Jacob.

Also, everyone in the Alt seems to be remembering their Island self... what happens when Locke remembers his?

We've already seen the MiB do some very "Locke" type things... remember when he yelled "Don't tell me what I can't do!"? Maybe more of the real Locke will bleed through.

[exstatic]

I think Jack is the last recruit because he was the only one that went back to Locke.

I think it depends on your perspective. Sayid could easily be the last recruit...for the good guys, now that he and Clair appear to have defected.

[LnGrrrR]

I think it depends on your perspective. Sayid could easily be the last recruit...for the good guys, now that he and Clair appear to have defected.

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There's a repeat of Ab Aeterno next week, but after that, the next episode is called "The Candidate"... so hopefully we'll find out for sure which one it is. I'm assuming Jack.

The next episode after that is called "Across the Sea" and is supposed to be the backstory of Jacob and the MiB, with none of the regular cast members.

After that, there's another episode entitled "What They Died For"... meaning I expect some people to go down in the Candidate episode, though it could refer to Across the Sea.

And then finally... the last two-part finale is simply called "The End".

[JudynTX]

:( @ the last episode.

[Amarelooms]

More answers already....no point in hiding stuff with 3 episodes to go....get on with it

:elephant

[LnGrrrR]

More answers already....no point in hiding stuff with 3 episodes to go....get on with it

:elephant

Given the answers we've gotten for Christians and the Whispers... I'm not sure if we WANT all the answers. :lol

[sonic21]

I think FLocke was lying. I think Jacob was appearing as Christian each and every time. Jacob can obviously leave the island and it's periphery. FLocke appears to have to remain within a small area encompassed by The Island, Hydra Island, and a small area around them, probably whatever diameter travels with the island when it time-skips.

But we saw Claire with Christian in the cabin. That wouldn't make sense if he was Jacob.

On the other hand, Sun and Lapidus saw Christian in dharmaland when the MIB was already trapped in Locke's body.

Maybe both Flocke and Jacob appeared as Christian.

[EmptyMan]

what the hell? Next week's episode won't be new????

[Blake]

So Smokey was Christian, but Jack saw him off the Island in the hospital, how did smokey get off the island?

Smokey simply looks like Christian on the island.

Off the island, I think Jack really saw his dad's ghost.

[Blake]

I think FLocke was lying. I think Jacob was appearing as Christian each and every time. Jacob can obviously leave the island and it's periphery. FLocke appears to have to remain within a small area encompassed by The Island, Hydra Island, and a small area around them, probably whatever diameter travels with the island when it time-skips.

Jacob hasn't been known to appear as anyone else, has he? Why would he need to?

I think Flocke being Christian the whole time fits the story.......especially the part where he told Locke he was going to need to die after he fell down the well...

......which by happenstance is where Desmond got pushed down into...

[LnGrrrR]

what the hell? Next week's episode won't be new????

Nope. Repeat of Ab Aeterno, which I didn't really like.

[sonic21]

Smokey simply looks like Christian on the island.

Off the island, I think Jack really saw his dad's ghost.

what about


But we saw Claire with Christian in the cabin. That wouldn't make sense if he was Jacob.

On the other hand, Sun and Lapidus saw Christian in dharmaland when the MIB was already trapped in Locke's body.

Maybe both Flocke and Jacob appeared as Christian.

?

[LnGrrrR]

But we saw Claire with Christian in the cabin. That wouldn't make sense if he was Jacob.

On the other hand, Sun and Lapidus saw Christian in dharmaland when the MIB was already trapped in Locke's body.

Maybe both Flocke and Jacob appeared as Christian.

He was only trapped once Jacob died. Remember he turns into Alex in S5 too.

[sonic21]

He was only trapped once Jacob died. Remember he turns into Alex in S5 too.

Ilana said "he's stuck like that now". We don't know for sure when. But you're probably right.

[Blake]

He was only trapped once Jacob died. Remember he turns into Alex in S5 too.

that's interesting that he gets trapped once Jacob died....

one would think he would be free once Jacob died.

.....it would be nice if that freaky quiet kid with the stupid grin would start explaining some of the rules of the island before the season finale.

[Death In June]

At least some major plot points are revealed in the next two episodes. Some payoff from the war that MIB spoke of, and the islands history.

[jaffies]

:cry.


a lot.

[Amarelooms]

Fuck why did they kill 3 people off including Sayid....damn it

:elephant

[Melmart1]

I sort of saw Sayid coming, but not the other two. Waterworks!!! :(

[JudynTX]

:cry.


a lot.

Dude! :cry :cry :cry Thanks LOST for the tear buckets tonight!
Flocke planned it that way. Damn!!!

Where the hell is Widmore?


Fuck why did they kill 3 people off including Sayid....damn it

:elephant

I was not expecting that. :depressed It looked like Sayid had some humanity left.

[JudynTX]

I sort of saw Sayid coming, but not the other two. Waterworks!!! :(

:( What an emotional rollercoaster.

[Melmart1]

Dude! :cry :cry :cry Thanks LOST for the tear buckets tonight!
Flocke planned it that way. Damn!!!

Where the hell is Widmore?



I was not expecting that. :depressed It looked like Sayid had some humility left.

Humility? Or did you mean humanity? Because that's exactly what I was thinking after it happened--that he used the last of his humanity in order to save the others. Which is why it was sad. If he had died say, on the dock I wouldn't have been so sad at his death. If that makes sense.

[JudynTX]

Humility? Or did you mean humanity? Because that's exactly what I was thinking after it happened--that he used the last of his humanity in order to save the others. Which is why it was sad. If he had died say, on the dock I wouldn't have been so sad at his death. If that makes sense.

Yea, that's what I meant. :lol I'm still blurry eyed.

[JudynTX]

Sayid knew he wasn't going to really see Nadia. :(

[LnGrrrR]

It's a good thing I read spoilers lol

it comes on in four hours here.

[JudynTX]

It's a good thing I read spoilers lol

it comes on in four hours here.

Ooopps, sorry. It was just too good not to talk about it. :tu

[LnGrrrR]

No prob, I alreay knew it was coming eventually :)

I'm just glad to hear it's a good episode; cant wait to see it.

[JudynTX]

As I was wiping away the tears, I didn't hear everything that Sayid told Jack about Desmond? What exactly did he say? Thanks.

Found it.

Sayid said: Listen carefully, there's a well on the main island a half a mile away from the camp we just left. Desmond is inside it, Locke wants him dead which means you're going to need him, understand? Jack: Why are you telling me this? Sayid: Because its going to be you Jack

[Kamala]

Great episode! How oh how will they wrap it up in 4 more hours?:wow

[exstatic]

Sayid knew he wasn't going to really see Nadia. :(

Actually, he probably found the only way to see her again.

So, we have Jack, Hurley, Kate, and James in one group. There is Widmore's group. There's FLocke and Claire. And there are various scattered people from the attack on FLocke's original group. Oh, and there's Richard and Ben, who wandered off a few episodes ago, and warned people not to get in their way. That should be enough to last the rest of the series at the current kill rate.

[exstatic]

BTW, anyone who didn't see Lapidus biting the dust after they decided not to take the plane, please go stand in the corner. He might as well have been a red tunic security man on an original Star Trek episode.

[MannyIsGod]

Wow, that was fucking amazing.

Can't believe they killed Sun and Jin.

:(

[Spurminator]

That's easily the most action packed episode of Lost I can remember. It was a freight train.

[Stringer_Bell]

BTW, anyone who didn't see Lapidus biting the dust after they decided not to take the plane, please go stand in the corner. He might as well have been a red tunic security man on an original Star Trek episode.

I knew he was biting the dust when it became clear they weren't using the plane to get off the island. I just wish it wasn't death by flying door, even Nikki and Paulo got more interesting death scenes (yea, the same Paulo that took a shit in the DHARMA station got a good death!). Lapidus's one liners were hilarious, I WILL REMEMBER YOU!

I wasn't expecting to feel strongly when Jin/Sun drowned (I thought one of them would survive cuz they still have a daughter, but I guess now she's an orphan?), but that's because WE know there's another time line going on...but I didn't think about Jack and company on the island reacting to their friends dying. It really hit me and I got a little emotional thinking about how all the crazy non-sensical bullshit these characters have gone through has no apparent answer or destination we can see...but we know there's an end to it, there's a reason for it. I could almost here Jack crying out into the ocean, "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ALL FOR?!" :p:

FLocke is a bitch, I hope Jack beats his ass and throws him into a volcano.

[Jacob1983]

Jorge Garcia aka Hurley was on Attack of the Show today and he said one word about tonight's episode "death". Damn, he was right. I can understand Sayid dying but Sun and Jin? That sucked. So who is the candidate? Real Locke or Jack? This episode proved that Jack needs to be a bad-ass and be the leader of the group. He told them to not mess with the bomb.

[sonic21]

:cry jin & sun.

and poor Claire, everybody keep abandoning her.

[LnGrrrR]

That's easily the most action packed episode of Lost I can remember. It was a freight train.

No doubt! I compare that to the beginning episodes of them just sitting around the Temple and it pisses me off. :lol

That was a good episode though... I pretty much love any episode where Jack and Locke interact. Their scenes kick ass.

[LnGrrrR]

Jack's scene at the end was pretty powerful.

I found it interesting to watch from an atheistic standpoint. I'm definitely rooting for Jack to have faith in himself, in fate, in destiny, in the Island. Yet I don't have any myself (at least, in fate/destiny/God). A strange dichotomy, I thought.

[exstatic]

FLocke is a bitch, I hope Jack beats his ass and throws him into a volcano.

Jack is starting to understand that FLocke doesn't need to be, and probably can't be killed. He represents the dark force, and must be opposed, contained on the island, and out thought.

[exstatic]

Jack's scene at the end was pretty powerful.

I found it interesting to watch from an atheistic standpoint. I'm definitely rooting for Jack to have faith in himself, in fate, in destiny, in the Island. Yet I don't have any myself (at least, in fate/destiny/God). A strange dichotomy, I thought.

Yet another parallel to The Stand. One of their bomb survivors was Glen Bateman, the atheist professor from Vermont, soon to be on a mission for God.

[LnGrrrR]

Yet another parallel to The Stand. One of their bomb survivors was Glen Bateman, the atheist professor from Vermont, soon to be on a mission for God.

I've got to get that book one of these days. :lol

[JudynTX]

No doubt! I compare that to the beginning episodes of them just sitting around the Temple and it pisses me off. :lol

That was a good episode though... I pretty much love any episode where Jack and Locke interact. Their scenes kick ass.

:tu I think it's ultimately going to come down to Jack vs Flocke.

:worthy:

[Stringer_Bell]

Jack is starting to understand that FLocke doesn't need to be, and probably can't be killed. He represents the dark force, and must be opposed, contained on the island, and out thought.

Yea, but I have a feeling that there is NO WAY off the island for anyone with the submarine down. If the candidates dying frees FLocke, then I feel like they find a way to kill him eventually or probably end up sacrificing their own lives to contain him. If Jacob could be killed, why not FLocke?

[Death In June]

FLocke is a bitch, I hope Jack beats his ass and throws him into a volcano.They seem to be keeping it simple this season and it wouldn't surprise me at all if it was that straight forward, and came down to a volcanic, star wars-esque duel. As the series has gone, it's started to resemble more and more a mash up of paradise lost and the stand. Not a bad combination, just not what I was hoping for.

[exstatic]

Yea, but I have a feeling that there is NO WAY off the island for anyone with the submarine down. If the candidates dying frees FLocke, then I feel like they find a way to kill him eventually or probably end up sacrificing their own lives to contain him. If Jacob could be killed, why not FLocke?

Wouldn't shock me if Widmore had a 737 pilot with him as a backup. He knew what kind of plane they flew, because I'm sure Eloise told him what flight she sent them on.

I'm guessing that since FLocke can't directly kill candidates, they probably can't kill him, either. That would leave Claire, Kate, the various scattered people from the camp, Miles, Ben, and maybe Richard to do the deed. Of those, I'd put my money on Ben for the double tap.

[EmptyMan]

Kind of a shitty way to do the Kwons. And "why you gotta have the Middle Easterner blow himself up, Lost???"

Lost always kills my favorite chars. It's ridiculous. I was still secretly rooting for Sayid even though he went awol.

[EmptyMan]

BTW, anyone who didn't see Lapidus biting the dust after they decided not to take the plane, please go stand in the corner. He might as well have been a red tunic security man on an original Star Trek episode.

lmao, my first thought as well

[MannyIsGod]

LOL I didn't even think of the irony of having the dude from the ME blow himself up.

LOL x 1098240980498

[Blake]

BTW, anyone who didn't see Lapidus biting the dust after they decided not to take the plane, please go stand in the corner. He might as well have been a red tunic security man on an original Star Trek episode.

I'm surprised he lasted that long...

did the writers keep him around simply to keep us guessing?

[Blake]

:cry jin & sun.

and poor Claire, everybody keep abandoning her.

Claire's dirty wig bugs the crap out of me.

[Blake]

did anyone else notice:

Jack told Hurley to get a first aid kit.......Hurley comes back and says "cant find one"........two scenes later, there is a kit that says "first aid" right behind Lapidus when he's holding the gun on the captain.

[Blake]

ah, and the odds of Hurley being the One just took a hit...

I need to update my current odds......

[LnGrrrR]

Some thoughts:

I'm almost postive Jack is the candidate.

Not only did the guy from Iraq blow himself up, but he did it to SAVE people. A neat twist.

And I've heard some people thinking that the MiB may not have to physically get off the Island... just kill the candidates, and his soul would be released.

[Jacob1983]

Sayid ran away with the bomb because in the end he wanted to do the right thing. I don't think Sayid fully went over to the dark side. He still wanted to do the right thing and was able to do it. And he didn't kill Desmond so that proves that wasn't entirely evil.

[JudynTX]

Some thoughts:

I'm almost postive Jack is the candidate.

Not only did the guy from Iraq blow himself up, but he did it to SAVE people. A neat twist.

And I've heard some people thinking that the MiB may not have to physically get off the Island... just kill the candidates, and his soul would be released.

I knew this as soon as Jack jumped off the boat to go back. :toast Of course the island isn't finished with him yet. He's not going anywhere. :D

[Blake]

Not only did the guy from Iraq blow himself up, but he did it to SAVE people. A neat twist.



:lol

good observation

[Blake]

I'm 99% positive that all the rest of the candidates now will die + Kate and Crazy Claire.

I'm about 33.3% sure that Jack dies.

[JudynTX]

I'm 99% positive that all the rest of the candidates now will die + Kate and Crazy Claire.

Unless Desmond, who is the constant, bring both parallels together. :D


I'm about 33.3% sure that Jack dies.

:depressed noooooooooooooooo

[sonic21]

what about rose, bernard and vincent?

[Blake]

Unless Desmond, who is the constant, bring both parallels together. :D



:depressed noooooooooooooooo

that's what I'm thinking. Desmond somehow ties in the people in the alternate reality and the sideways reality becomes the true reality and everyone that dies in the straight timeline stays alive........which is why we are seeing all of these people alive in the sideways timeline.

Jin, Sun, Eko, Michael, Sayid, the people Michael shot, Tom, etc.....all are alive.

A "reward" from the island, maybe Jacob, for having been used up like chess pieces.

It's interesting because it's supposed to be "when it's your time to go, it's your time to go" but apparently the rules are different in the alt timeline.


Hell, maybe none of the candidates take over and Jacob comes back to life.



just my guess.

[Blake]

any guesses as to who Jack's son's mother is in the alt timeline?

My guess is Juliette

[sonic21]

any guesses as to who Jack's son's mother is in the alt timeline?

My guess is Juliette

His son has blue eyes. First time i saw him, i thought he might be Juliet's son too.

[Stringer_Bell]

what about rose, bernard and vincent?

Yea, where the hell did they go on the island? We've seen them off it in Flash-sideways, except for Vincent. But still, maybe they come out of the jungle now to join Jack? That'd be awesome...still waiting for an explanation of why women had trouble with giving birth on the island (maybe something to do with reincarnation of the spirits still roaming the island, so jacob made it so they don't escape or something?) and wtf made Walt special?

[Kamala]

Shitloads of answers to come in the next episodes. It is impossible to address all of the unresolved plot threads but I still expect something awesome! They extended the finale by 30 minutes.

[Kamala]

any guesses as to who Jack's son's mother is in the alt timeline?

My guess is Juliette

It has to be her.

[exstatic]

what about rose, bernard and vincent?

The last time we saw them was pre A-bomb explosion in Dharma time, wasn't it? They may be the skeletons.

[Kamala]

Here is the problem I have with the show. They made it seem like Walt was such a huge deal early in the series and never really revisited that. The writers may have changed their minds and I know the actor playing Walt is so tall now, but wrapping this up would be a nice nod to the fans.

BTW Stringer Bell in your avatar and his whole speech to the OGs was one of the finest moments in the WIRE

[Stringer_Bell]

BTW Stringer Bell in your avatar and his whole speech to the OGs was one of the finest moments in the WIRE

It's all about the product. :toast

[exstatic]

BTW, I read that they've wrapped and edited the Finale, and it is now 2.5 hours long, and will bump the late local news for that night.

You people just really need to get past Walt. Lots of things seemed important early, like Polar Bears in the jungle and The Others, who, as a group, really weren't that important in the grand scheme of things. It's called a red herring, or by it's description: misdirection.

[LnGrrrR]

I just can't get over Walt! He was a significant plot-mover in S2! Not just that, but HE'S MY SON! THAT'S MY BOY! WALLLLLLLLLLTTT!

[LnGrrrR]

Besides, there's been alot of "big" mysteries, that were referenced multiple times, with no good resolution. I'm hoping we at least get a SHORT shoutout, like they did with the whispers.

Big mysteries from earlier seasons we don't have any clue on:

Walt

Why Claire needed to raise Aaron

Where is Christian Shepard's body in BOTH timelines?

What exactly was Dharma doing on the Island? How did they know about the Island?

[Blake]

...still waiting for an explanation of why women had trouble with giving birth on the island (maybe something to do with reincarnation of the spirits still roaming the island, so jacob made it so they don't escape or something?)

I thought it had something to do with the radiation from the bomb

[EmptyMan]

BTW, I read that they've wrapped and edited the Finale, and it is now 2.5 hours long, and will bump the late local news for that night.

You people just really need to get past Walt. Lots of things seemed important early, like Polar Bears in the jungle and The Others, who, as a group, really weren't that important in the grand scheme of things. It's called a red herring, or by it's description: misdirection.

lol, do you remember the old school days of Lost when it was first on.

That night: "Dude!? A f****ing polar bear! In the jungle WTF????"

A week later: "A POLAR BEAR! oh lawwwwd!!"

3 Weeks later: "Did you just see that polar bear in the comic book. W...T....F!?!?!?!"

Lost was biblical when you had no idea wtf was going on.

[Blake]

Here is the problem I have with the show. They made it seem like Walt was such a huge deal early in the series and never really revisited that. The writers may have changed their minds and I know the actor playing Walt is so tall now, but wrapping this up would be a nice nod to the fans.


I agree. They never explained why Ben's group went out of their way to kidnap Walt.

[JudynTX]

Besides, there's been alot of "big" mysteries, that were referenced multiple times, with no good resolution. I'm hoping we at least get a SHORT shoutout, like they did with the whispers.

Big mysteries from earlier seasons we don't have any clue on:

Walt

Why Claire needed to raise Aaron

Where is Christian Shepard's body in BOTH timelines?

What exactly was Dharma doing on the Island? How did they know about the Island?


lol, do you remember the old school days of Lost when it was first on.

That night: "Dude!? A f****ing polar bear! In the jungle WTF????"

A week later: "A POLAR BEAR! oh lawwwwd!!"

3 Weeks later: "Did you just see that polar bear in the comic book. W...T....F!?!?!?!"

Lost was biblical when you had no idea wtf was going on.

I agree with you both. I'd like to know the answers to these questions too! :lol

My husband still wants to know why Walt was so freakin special? :lmao

[LnGrrrR]

Or hey... how about how the heck does Hurley talk to dead people? That's kinda a big one too... :lol

[Blake]

Or hey... how about how the heck does Hurley talk to dead people? That's kinda a big one too... :lol

or Miles.....

[Blake]

just read that the Lost finale will be extended from 2 to 2 1/2 hours.

honestly, they might really need a 6 hour finale to wrap up all the loose ends.......and even then.....

[EmptyMan]

Vincent will come in at the very last episode to distract Flocke while Jack gets in the Kill Shot.

He will also be sitting next to the Jacob Replacement (I'm still betting on Hurley, Jack is too obvious) on the beach in the final scene of the series.

This I have prophesied; it shall be so.

[Blake]

Vincent will come in at the very last episode to distract Flocke while Jack gets in the Kill Shot.

Since Flocke is bulletproof, what instrument of death will Jack be using?


He will also be sitting next to the Jacob Replacement (I'm still betting on Hurley, Jack is too obvious) on the beach in the final scene of the series.

This I have prophesied; it shall be so.

I forget, was Vincent's name listed as being one of the candidates?

[Blake]

Do they have Vegas odds on who takes over?

I'd say Jack 2-1
Hurley 3-1
Sawyer 4-1
Pick-a-Kwon 6-1
Field 10-1
All of them put together as a group of Jacobs 100-1


my current odds:

Jack 1.5-1
Hurley 4-1
Sawyer 8-1
Pick a Kwon 20-1
Rest of Field Surprise 100-1

[sonic21]

I also want to know where the losties got so many blue tarps.

[LnGrrrR]

From unexplained air drops... :lol

[JudynTX]

Since Flocke is bulletproof, what instrument of death will Jack be using?

Fire?




I forget, was Vincent's name listed as being one of the candidates?

No it wasn't. :(

[AFBlue]

my current odds:

Jack 1.5-1
Hurley 4-1
Sawyer 8-1
Pick a Kwon 20-1
Rest of Field Surprise 100-1

Did you not see the last episode? One of your picks seems to be MUCH longer odds than you give after what happened.

[Xevious]

Original Losties that have died:

Boone
Shannon
Micheal
Charlie
Jin
Sun
Sayid
Locke (sort of)

That's not even including the people in the tail section that were all killed off too.


By the way, where the hell are Rose and Bernard?

[exstatic]

I agree. They never explained why Ben's group went out of their way to kidnap Walt.

They took Rousseau's baby. They kidnapped Walt. They tried to kidnap Claire and take her baby. They took the kids from the tail section of O815. They can't have babies of their own. It isn't some HUGE mystery.

[exstatic]

BTW, I read that they've wrapped and edited the Finale, and it is now 2.5 hours long, and will bump the late local news for that night.

You people just really need to get past Walt. Lots of things seemed important early, like Polar Bears in the jungle and The Others, who, as a group, really weren't that important in the grand scheme of things. It's called a red herring, or by it's description: misdirection.


just read that the Lost finale will be extended from 2 to 2 1/2 hours.

honestly, they might really need a 6 hour finale to wrap up all the loose ends.......and even then.....
Lateness fail.

[Blake]

Did you not see the last episode? One of your picks seems to be MUCH longer odds than you give after what happened.

who, Sun and Jin?

the candidate's last name is Kwon and they still have a daughter that's alive in the current timeline.

and honestly, I'm not totally ruling out dead people.


I also forgot....

Nobody takes over Jacob's job: 40-1

[Blake]

Lateness fail.

I was posting from a sideways timeline.

[Death In June]

It kind of sucks that I've already read all the spoilers to the questions you guys have been asking. Can't participate in the conversation anymore.

[exstatic]

I was posting from a sideways timeline.

:lmao

[Stringer_Bell]

Besides, there's been alot of "big" mysteries, that were referenced multiple times, with no good resolution. I'm hoping we at least get a SHORT shoutout, like they did with the whispers.

Big mysteries from earlier seasons we don't have any clue on:

Walt

Why Claire needed to raise Aaron

Where is Christian Shepard's body in BOTH timelines?

What exactly was Dharma doing on the Island? How did they know about the Island?

The purple light when Desmond turned the key, the source of the donkey wheels power, and the random time jumps...I want answers!

Also, the thing about red herrings, is that they are usually explained anyway. Any unanswered LOST questions are just because they were lazy writers, look at all the times they STILL mess up continuity and such. I'm not asking for perfection, but it'll help when going back and watching the series again.

[Blake]

anyone been watching V?

2umUC_T6xg0

[jaffies]

I was posting from a sideways timeline.

:rollin

:toast

[exstatic]

anyone been watching V?

I watched the first four episodes last fall, but could never get hooked when it came back on, and I did watch a few. That fucking kid chasing the lizard-girl is beyond stupid, and I won't put up with stupid characters.

[Kamala]

The other thing that has me wondering is there some other huge red herring going on under our noses. I'm thinking back to when Jacob was literally cooking a fish on the island that was a red herring. Thinking that has got to mean something. How crazy would it be if even Jacob or Flocke truly didn't fully understand the nature of the island or have real answers kind of like Richard? The writers couldn't be that cruel, but then again that would leave us with a wtf feeling which this show has always done.

[Kamala]

I watched the first four episodes last fall, but could never get hooked when it came back on, and I did watch a few. That fucking kid chasing the lizard-girl is beyond stupid, and I won't put up with stupid characters.

I am such a huge fan of the original V and all of it's cheesiness and Marc Singer's tight trousers and overacting. I like that the new series is not a total rip off of the original.

[Jacob1983]

If you were going to get Lost on Blu Ray, would you buy them individually or just wait until August and buy the complete series?

[exstatic]

If you were going to get Lost on Blu Ray, would you buy them individually or just wait until August and buy the complete series?

Are they selling a packaged full series release, or are you talking about buying 6 single season packages? I already have 1-5 on blu.

[JudynTX]

I was posting from a sideways timeline.

:lol What kind of life do you have in the sideways timeline?


anyone been watching V?

2umUC_T6xg0

I started watching it but then I got bored with it. Is it any good?

[Jacob1983]

I'm talking about a complete series bundle versus buying the seasons individually.

[exstatic]

I'm talking about a complete series bundle versus buying the seasons individually.

Ah, I think I'll pass on that, since it will likely be ungodly expensive. I'll just pick up Season 6 on Blu-ray when they release it.

[LnGrrrR]

I'm going to get the full bundle... they said it will be around $150, which isn't that bad really. (Considering there's going to be 110+hours of video or so... lol)

[Xevious]

I'm going to get the full bundle... they said it will be around $150, which isn't that bad really. (Considering there's going to be 110+hours of video or so... lol)
If it's only $150, I'll buy it and sell/give away my DVDs. That ain't bad at all.

[exstatic]

I'm going to get the full bundle... they said it will be around $150, which isn't that bad really. (Considering there's going to be 110+hours of video or so... lol)

You can't be talking blu-ray at that price, right?

[LnGrrrR]

You can't be talking blu-ray at that price, right?

I believe so... let me find the news article on it.

Ah, my bad... it's $200. Still, I'm pretty sure I'll go for it.

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Complete-Collection-Naveen-Andrews/dp/B0036EH3WK

[JudynTX]

:toast Tomorrow's episode is about Jacob.

[Amarelooms]

Great episode....so they are brothers. Jacob and MIB both were good......MIB just wants to leave the island like he says I guess. Good fuckin episode so far sons...

:elephant

[Texas Chili Dog]

hell. fucking. yes.

[JudynTX]

Scratches head! What just happened? :lol:wow

I knew they were brothers. :D Damn, fake mom killed their mother.

We know what the heart of the island is. Is that what Widmore is after? :bang

Did MIB turn into Smokey when he was thrown into the lighted cave?

[Mr. Peabody]

Great episode, but sadly, I don't know that we're going to get much more of an explanation about the background of Jacob/MIB. With only one episode left before the season finale, I would imagine that most of the time will be spent on the main characters.

I do have questions from this episode -
1. What was the woman who raised Jacob/MIB? An goddess? An angel?
2. If she was somewhat evil (killing innocents) and had the job of protecting the light, does that mean that Jacob is somewhat evil?
3. The light obviously isn't Heaven or anything good or redeeming because it turned MIB into the smoke monster, so what is it?
4. If the wheel was already constructed when the Losties reached the island, why hadn't MIB left?

[Stringer_Bell]

I hate to be picky about stuff, but weren't the skeletons seperate when they were found? Did MiB/Mother somehow move? And why did Jack only estimate they'd been there for 50 years (this could actually be explained in a cool way, but I don't want to spoil anyone if I'm right lol)? It just seems lazy after everything the creators ask us to invest in the show.

Still have no clue wtf the black smoke is or why it sounds like its in chains, but I gotta have faith MiB explains what he saw/experienced when he went into the light. He is definately a bad guy tho, using people as a means to an end (perhaps foreshadowing the final episode title?).

I'll give them a pass since it seems they still have to explain how MiB comes back to antagonize Jacob through the centuries, and if any other people besides Richard Alpert's ship ended up on the island.

[exstatic]

So, we find out where the Donkey Wheel came from. We find out who the skeletons were. We found out who was in the guardian position before Jacob. We found out the origin of the Smoke Monster.

Damn.

[exstatic]

dp

[JudynTX]

Smokey = MIB's soul?

[Stringer_Bell]

Oh yea, forgot to mention that I like the whole allusion to the hatch and next person taking it over...like the "protector of the light" being something that's passed on. :p

[jaffies]

I just love Allison Janney. She's amazing!

Liked the episode, didn't love it.

If this episode weren't aired so closely to the finale, it would be the best of the season. But, since the answers we got were returned two-fold with more questions, I am sure the writers will not (satisfactorily) answer the questions they set us up to ponder for 6 years in just 3 and 1/2 more hours.

Especially when the answer we get for "What is the smoke monster and where did he/it come from?" is 'Jacob threw MIB into a cave, covering a waterfall, filled with a bright light we'll describe as life, death, rebirth. Then smokey appears.'

the fuck, man?

Other than knowing the show is coming to an end with millions of questions remaining to be answered is the only reason I only liked (not loved) this episode.

[jaffies]

Oh yea, forgot to mention that I like the whole allusion to the hatch and next person taking it over...like the "protector of the light" being something that's passed on. :p

The light coming from the top of the cave did look a lot like this:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061009024643/lostpedia/images/a/a1/Ep2x01Hatch_light.jpg

[Death In June]

That was some pretty shit acting and writing, outside of whoever plays the smoke monster. That guy did a good job, and I enjoyed the parallels to Satan (the prodigal, chosen and best loved angel who rejected paradise to inhabit earth). I thought the light reveal in particular, was cheesy, and not the good kind of cheese that Lost has done well for years, but the kind of reveal that was so flat in it's delivery, that it was just about meaningless. So, the writers decided to explain the smoke monster with an unexplained light source? There's not enough time remaining in the season for the writers to redeem themselves. Maybe they should have taken a cue from their fans and ripped their ideas, because I've read some theories over the years that were just flat out better than how they've handled the end of the series.

[Kermit]

Fucking awesome episode. MIB was not evil, but reincarnation of him might be. Might explain Sayid. Still don't get why he can't leave. If Jacob (the protector) can wonder off the Island, why can't MIB? Like that they didn't name him. I'm sure some answers from this episode will be explained in the final two episodes. It's become pretty convoluted to answer everything.

[Kamala]

Next episode is called "What They Died For". Lots of answers would be nice, but have the feeling that's what the finale is for.

[Kamala]

I can't see how the hell this get's wrapped up in 3 1/2 hours.

[Jacob1983]

This episode was a letdown and kind of a waste. The writers and producers should have had this show air earlier this season. Lost is about to end and we get a flashback episode about Jacob and the smoke monster. Ridiculous. Next week and the finale better deliver otherwise a lot of fans will be really pissed.

[Kermit]

This episode was a letdown and kind of a waste. The writers and producers should have had this show air earlier this season. Lost is about to end and we get a flashback episode about Jacob and the smoke monster. Ridiculous. Next week and the finale better deliver otherwise a lot of fans will be really pissed.

It's mythology set up. I'm sure without it, nothing would make sense...or make less sense than it already does. And what do they care if the fans are pissed? Show's over. They're rich.

[4>0rings]

Fuck these half ass writers.

[exstatic]

Fucking awesome episode. MIB was not evil, but reincarnation of him might be. Might explain Sayid. Still don't get why he can't leave. If Jacob (the protector) can wonder off the Island, why can't MIB? Like that they didn't name him. I'm sure some answers from this episode will be explained in the final two episodes. It's become pretty convoluted to answer everything.

How do you get that MiB wasn't evil? He was a powerful liar and manipulator, even as a child, and stabbed his foster mother to death, from behind, no less. You get a more nuanced look at him, true, but nothing I saw changed my view to good, or even neutral. He's a bad, bad, boy.

As for Jacob, the island may give him dispensation to go abroad and "recruit" new candidates.

It would have been more annoying than not naming MiB if they had beeped it out every time it was said, like Kiddo in Kill Bill. :lol

[exstatic]

This episode was a letdown and kind of a waste. The writers and producers should have had this show air earlier this season. Lost is about to end and we get a flashback episode about Jacob and the smoke monster. Ridiculous. Next week and the finale better deliver otherwise a lot of fans will be really pissed.


Fuck these half ass writers.

You should both probably stop watching now, and save yourselves the disappointment. They've pretty much said they're not going to wrap everything up neat and tidy. Get ready for that, or pull the rip cord.

[Kermit]

How do you get that MiB wasn't evil? He was a powerful liar and manipulator, even as a child, and stabbed his foster mother to death, from behind, no less. You get a more nuanced look at him, true, but nothing I saw changed my view to good, or even neutral. He's a bad, bad, boy.

As for Jacob, the island may give him dispensation to go abroad and "recruit" new candidates.

It would have been more annoying than not naming MiB if they had beeped it out every time it was said, like Kiddo in Kill Bill. :lol

Because he lied about having a game, he's a powerful liar? He was a fucking child!!! Children lie. The only "evil" thing he did in the episode was killing ancient Rosseau. Which she goaded him into doing and thanked him for. He didn't become evil until his goody, goody brother threw him down the light hole.

[Death In June]

Smoke monster is a dick, but evil incarnate? No way. He's just another shade of gray. If he were evil, there is certainly no good. Jacob is a tool, and his 'mother' wiped out an entire village of people for no reason.

[Stringer_Bell]

I haven't been able to get onto the Fuselage to see reactions, but I anticipate it will be mixed opinions across the board. Half will love it. Half will hate it.

THIS was the perfect spot to place the episode, IMO, after the heavy drama and loss of last week. It gives us time to think about the larger scheme of things after such a localized episode last week.

I'm just bummed the acting, pacing, and "answers" seemed so lazy...there really have been some amazing theories out there that do seem to beat out the direction the actual show is headed. But there are 3 1/2 hours to go, and Matthew Fox said they tried to do something profound and hopefully it will overshadow the crappy "answers."

[circ]

Has Jack been the more selfless one the island?

[Death In June]

Has Jack been the more selfless one the island?New Jack, maybe. Hurley overall has been the least self serving, imo.

[MannyIsGod]

People continuously expecting answers after five and a half years of this make me laugh. They're not going to answer everything and when they do they're going to leave it open to interpretation. Its the shows MO.

[MannyIsGod]

And frankly I like it.

[Stringer_Bell]

So yea, the more outrage I see about this episode the worse it's making me feel about Adam/Eve. It almost annoys me how they showed the flashback just to kinda say "SEE, WE HAD THIS ALL PLANNED FROM THE START" except if you watch the original scene it's different than they make it out to be.

I get the whole "every question I answer leads to more questions" concept that the Mother mentioned at the start of the episode, but it's not the audience's fault that the writer's made shit overly complicated without truly having an answer in mind. This is not the X-files, the world's paranormal activity was never clearly defined, then all of the sudden a golden fountain ends up being the purpose of everything. Yes, the show is about the characters, but they created two timelines and it's partially killed the drama of people dying on the island when we know they are still alive. In the end, they could die in the new timeline, but as we watch it we still don't get that same *gasp* like when Charlie and Boone and others died.

Basically, instead of clogging the show with mythology they can't answer, they should have filled it with the kind of personal stories from Season 1. Maybe the show really did jump the shark when the flashbacks stopped. :(

[Jacob1983]

I don't want everything answered. I just want some type of conclusion about Flocke wanting to leaving the island and if he succeeds or not and if Jack or whoever else stops him.

[LnGrrrR]

I haven't been able to get onto the Fuselage to see reactions, but I anticipate it will be mixed opinions across the board. Half will love it. Half will hate it.


Ah, I didn't know you were on the 'Lage. Have you read any spoilers?

I'm on there, same name.

[LnGrrrR]

Even if the finale ends up showing the idea behind the show to be somewhat retarded, I don't think any show has inspired so many people to look up info on so many diverse topics. :lol

[sonic21]

i thought the rules were that jacob and MiB could not kill each other, yet it appears that jacob did kill him. Or maybe the light killed him.

[LnGrrrR]

i thought the rules were that jacob and MiB could not kill each other, yet it appears that jacob did kill him. Or maybe the light killed him.

You could look at it that he didn't technically "kill" him... he just transformed him into Smokey.

After all, note that MiB never says Jacob killed him... just that Jacob stole his body.

[sonic21]

You could look at it that he didn't technically "kill" him... he just transformed him into Smokey.

After all, note that MiB never says Jacob killed him... just that Jacob stole his body.

His dark side was split from his physical body so technically his body died, his 'spirit' remains alive.

[I Love Me Some Me]

The series ends with Coach Pop pouring some of that cave light on Tim Duncan's knees.

[EmptyMan]

meh Weak episode for what it could have been.

Just waiting for this damn thing to wrap up.



I love how they edited the Adam/Eve - Mother/MiB connection at the end though. It was great. The last 30 mins of the series should be just like that and answer every gotdamn question :lol

[JudynTX]

Was FakeMom a Smokey too? There's no way SHE could have killed that entire camp!

[EmptyMan]

How do you get that MiB wasn't evil? He was a powerful liar and manipulator, even as a child, and stabbed his foster mother to death, from behind, no less. You get a more nuanced look at him, true, but nothing I saw changed my view to good, or even neutral. He's a bad, bad, boy.

As for Jacob, the island may give him dispensation to go abroad and "recruit" new candidates.

It would have been more annoying than not naming MiB if they had beeped it out every time it was said, like Kiddo in Kill Bill. :lol


I actually did not think MiB was evil. The mother came off as a crazy lunatic religious zealot. She was holier than thou. The "evil" people on the island she warned MiB about had no more evil characteristics (greed, selfishness, etc) than the rest of humanity. He killed his "mother" because she killed his mother. That's a fair trade.

She was straight up Rousseu v1.0 in dis bitch.

[JudynTX]

I actually did not think MiB was evil. The mother came off as a crazy lunatic religious zealot. She was holier than thou. The "evil" people on the island she warned MiB about had no more evil characteristics (greed, selfishness, etc) than the rest of humanity. He killed his "mother" because she killed his mother. That's a fair trade.

She was straight up Rousseu v1.0 in dis bitch.

:lol:lol:lol

[Stringer_Bell]

I love how they edited the Adam/Eve - Mother/MiB connection at the end though. It was great. The last 30 mins of the series should be just like that and answer every gotdamn question :lol


THAT is probably what killed the episode for me, they can re-edit stuff all over the place to say "lookie here, this is the answer we had in mind since the start" even though it makese no sense and feels very forced. They have 3 hours of TV time to fix it. :p:

@LnGrrrR: I'm not a poster, I just like to read theories and reactions to episodes sometimes. I read a few LOST-related forums last night and it seemed a good 70% of people thought the episode sucked. :lol

[Spurminator]

Because he lied about having a game, he's a powerful liar? He was a fucking child!!! Children lie. The only "evil" thing he did in the episode was killing ancient Rosseau. Which she goaded him into doing and thanked him for. He didn't become evil until his goody, goody brother threw him down the light hole.

Let's not forget, the woman he killed killed his birth mother.

[MannyIsGod]

I think some of that episodes questions will be answered in the next 3 hours and I think it will make more sense at that point. I enjoyed it.

[exstatic]

Wild hypothesis floating on the web...

If you DVRd the episode, go to the scene where they are hunting the boar. The wild rumor floating around is that the three strangers who killed the boar were Sawyer, Sayid, and Jack. I only have a SD TiVo box, so I couldn't really tell.

[LnGrrrR]

Wild hypothesis floating on the web...

If you DVRd the episode, go to the scene where they are hunting the boar. The wild rumor floating around is that the three strangers who killed the boar were Sawyer, Sayid, and Jack. I only have a SD TiVo box, so I couldn't really tell.

Looking now...

Nope. :)

[exstatic]

Looking now...

Nope. :)

Jamus, Saidus, and Jaximus. :lol I just can't imagine James learning Latin in ANY timeline.

[Stringer_Bell]

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/exclusive-interview-lost-producers-damon-lindelof-and-carlton-cuse-talk-across-the-sea

That's a really good inteview with the show w/ the producers about WHY they can't answer certain questions that people are itching about on the show. This show is the equivalent of being a 50 year old man that meets a nice young stripper that he keeps visiting every week because she's showing you awesome moves and good attention...but it's just a giant cock tease and in the end you're still going home alone after 6 years of being a loyal customer. /done

[TDMVPDPOY]

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[jacobdrj]

That was a messed up episode. All that buildup with only 3 more on air hours left, and they tied up, what? 3 strings? (Adam and Eve, why MiB hates Jacob, who Jacob is).
Not 1 bit else, IMHO. Dharma? Temple? What the black energy is? Why the island is there? Who the hell is that contrived character Whidmore (probably wasn't even written in seasons 1 and 2). Walt, his abilities, and his connection to the polar bear? Did I miss the part with Echo's church? (never should have killed off Echo. Best damn character the series ever had).

[LnGrrrR]

That was a messed up episode. All that buildup with only 3 more on air hours left, and they tied up, what? 3 strings? (Adam and Eve, why MiB hates Jacob, who Jacob is).
Not 1 bit else, IMHO. Dharma? Temple? What the black energy is? Why the island is there? Who the hell is that contrived character Whidmore (probably wasn't even written in seasons 1 and 2). Walt, his abilities, and his connection to the polar bear? Did I miss the part with Echo's church? (never should have killed off Echo. Best damn character the series ever had).

I think they answered why the Island is there... it guards life. I was under the assumption that if that light ever completely goes out, so goes the world.

And I believe Widmore has been in it since S2, ever since they introduced Desmond.

Eko was killed off because he didn't want to do another season. I miss him too.

I'd like some more explanation on just what Dharma was trying to do too, but I don't think we'll get it.

[LnGrrrR]

This bit from the interview was very interesting...


DL: In terms of what Jacob allowed, what he didn't allow, what The Others did of their own volition, with Ben basically saying "This came down from Jacob" is all in the area that is subject to interpretation purposely. What our intention was is that there is a repeating vicious cycle that seems to happen on this island, where people come to the island, they try to figure out what makes the island work, and the closer they came leads them to their own inevitable demise.

CC: Like Icarus

DL: The more curious you become about why the island has its properties, inevitably the protector of the island feels the need to engage in some form of mass genocide. It was more our attempt to say that history repeats itself, and this is an ongoing and continuing motif.

[JudynTX]

Sneak peeks, don't watch if you don't want to know. :lol

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[Kermit]

Sneak peeks, don't watch if you don't want to know. :lol

jtsMPxsGU5A

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And here we go with resurrection theory.

[JoeChalupa]

I still have yet to watch this but someday I will.

[LnGrrrR]

Weird previews...

[Stringer_Bell]

lol @ Hurley trying to run after the kid. You'd think he'd have lost some weight after all these years, anyone think they keep him fat on purpose? :(

[JudynTX]

lol @ Hurley trying to run after the kid. You'd think he'd have lost some weight after all these years, anyone think they keep him fat on purpose? :(

:rollin He ate all that Dharma food.

[Texas Chili Dog]

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[Texas Chili Dog]

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[EmptyMan]

^^^

oh lawdy lawwwwd :rollin:rollin:lmao

[JudynTX]

:lol :lol Thought for sure we'd see a "brotha" quote in those pics.

[Death In June]

Did lost ever explain how a commercial airliner was supposed to take off from a sandy platform? Is everyone on this show a moron, or am I missing something?

[jacobdrj]

I think they answered why the Island is there... it guards life. I was under the assumption that if that light ever completely goes out, so goes the world.

And I believe Widmore has been in it since S2, ever since they introduced Desmond.

Eko was killed off because he didn't want to do another season. I miss him too.

I'd like some more explanation on just what Dharma was trying to do too, but I don't think we'll get it.

Well, now I know how to make a successful serialized TV series: Make questions, never answer them. Soap Opera 101...

Hell, even Alias tied up more loose ends by the 3rd season's end than Lost apparently ever will. And JJ left that show in the middle of the 2nd season. He is so ADD. This is why I don't bother with Fringe. I don't need another half assed JJ Abrams ADD brain fart. I'll just watch his movies from now on.

Babylon 5 was much more satisfying.

[jacobdrj]

Did lost ever explain how a commercial airliner was supposed to take off from a sandy platform? Is everyone on this show a moron, or am I missing something?

No, with the current writers, we, the viewers, are deemed to be idiots, or perhaps, the writers just don't care.

At least in Stargate SG-1 they had the good sense to make fun of themselves with this.

[Spurminator]

Not 1 bit else, IMHO. Dharma? Temple? What the black energy is? Why the island is there? Who the hell is that contrived character Whidmore (probably wasn't even written in seasons 1 and 2). Walt, his abilities, and his connection to the polar bear? Did I miss the part with Echo's church? (never should have killed off Echo. Best damn character the series ever had).

The Temple guards the light source, I'm thinking. The little pool in the temple is directly above it. Widmore wants it.

Forget Walt, forget Eko. Those don't need to be tied up. Weird shit happens on the island, weird shit happened to Walt and Eko. Mystery solved.

[jacobdrj]

The Temple guards the light source, I'm thinking. The little pool in the temple is directly above it. Widmore wants it.

Forget Walt, forget Eko. Those don't need to be tied up. Weird shit happens on the island, weird shit happened to Walt and Eko. Mystery solved.

Insufficient for as much time was devoted.

Who built the temple? Guards life? Looks like the alternate universe did just fine without the island. In fact, other than the fact they had memories of the island, it seems like AU was better than LU.

It is a TV show, not life. You write something into it, you either finish it or don't put it in. Strawman plot points are a good way to kill a show.

[Death In June]

I don't mind the loose ends. Whether it was their intention or not, they went along, arbitrarily creating mysteries they aren't going to answer, which leaves us room to fill in the gaps, to make a more meaningful, more imaginative show. Seems like lazy writing, but I really don't care. The show itself has been enjoyable up to now. But the answers they DO give, the reveals they make and the quality of the writing has been a resounding wet fart the entire season.

[jacobdrj]

The reason I got into the show had little to do with the Island. It was the flashback character development that made it very cool (punctuated by Mr. Eko's life). They stopped developing characters, thats why I stopped watching for 3 seasons.
The Island was like the USS Enterprise: It was a story telling device. Any time they focused too much on the story telling device, the quality of the show was missing.

Obviously, I disagree on the quality of this show with most of you. I am not trying to persuade any of you. People like what they like. But I feel that the show is just given too much credit where it doesn't deserve any. To say the show was somehow revolutionary is disrespectful to the shows that actually were. There is not currently a show on TV like it, but it is hardly the best show to serialize, sci-fi or otherwise.

[JudynTX]

I better see Vincent in the finale or I'll be pissed. :ihit

:lol

[Stringer_Bell]

I better see Vincent in the finale or I'll be pissed. :ihit

:lol

When the writers mentioned expanding the story telling devices, I thought we'd see a Vincent Flashback or at least an episode devoted to him roaming the island and observing stuff. IMHO, it was a wasted opportunity to do something different, people would call it "the Vincent episode where he saw crazy shit and has no way of explaining his findings to anyone" but instead we have stuff like "the episode where Kate found out the others wear clown make up and fake noses to look like jungle dwellers for no reason at all" or "the episode when the outrigger got shot at and Juliet killed one of the guys on the other boat but it was never explained why they were shooting in the first place or who they were."

[JudynTX]

When the writers mentioned expanding the story telling devices, I thought we'd see a Vincent Flashback or at least an episode devoted to him roaming the island and observing stuff. IMHO, it was a wasted opportunity to do something different, people would call it "the Vincent episode where he saw crazy shit and has no way of explaining his findings to anyone" but instead we have stuff like "the episode where Kate found out the others wear clown make up and fake noses to look like jungle dwellers for no reason at all" or "the episode when the outrigger got shot at and Juliet killed one of the guys on the other boat but it was never explained why they were shooting in the first place or who they were."

Yea, they could have flashbacked to show us where Vincent came from, who his parents were, etc. :toast

:(

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/showbiz/2010/05/14/natpkg.lost.red.carpet.cnn?hpt=C2

[JudynTX]

And yes, I watch Fringe too. Too bad some of you stopped watching., loving the alternative universe storyline. :tu

[Death In June]

double post.

[LnGrrrR]

I agree that the storytelling has been offpace this season... pretty much all the first part of Season 6 I hated... I was cheering for Dogen and Lennon's death.

[Blake]

I better see Vincent in the finale or I'll be pissed. :ihit

:lol

I also wouldn't mind seeing an appearance from Growly the polar bear

[Kamala]

I also wouldn't mind seeing an appearance from Growly the polar bear

The bear would be great! The man in black seems very evil one moment and somewhat sympathetic the next. Looks like the writers are doing this on purpose to make us feel LOST.

[Kermit]

Insufficient for as much time was devoted.

Who built the temple? Guards life? Looks like the alternate universe did just fine without the island. In fact, other than the fact they had memories of the island, it seems like AU was better than LU.

It is a TV show, not life. You write something into it, you either finish it or don't put it in. Strawman plot points are a good way to kill a show.

Yeah. They've done an excellent job of killing the show.

[exstatic]

Did lost ever explain how a commercial airliner was supposed to take off from a sandy platform? Is everyone on this show a moron, or am I missing something?

Uh, Ajira flight 316 landed on a small runway. You get an F on your Lost test.

[EmptyMan]

I'd say it was revolutionary in how much detail the audience could comb over and how many theories actually looked plausible with what they gave you at the time.

I remember when the numbers were a big deal and the lost fanatics would plug them into google maps and depending on how they were entered would get one location in Nigeria (drug smuggling plane) and one location off the coast of Australia. It was pretty neat.

Also all the books Sawyer/Juliet/Ben/etc would read were clues as to the overall plot. Props, names of characters, etc etc.


For me, Lost peaked at the season 1 finale. I had crazy goosebumps as The Others drifted up on their boat and the plot twist was revealed. I loved Lost most when I had no idea wtf was going on. It was cool, because at that time the writers kept saying everything could be explained scientifically in the end. Too bad they abandoned that and went Merlin with a fountain of light babbling brook of power. I still dig it though. Locke made this series imfo.

[JudynTX]

:lol:lol:lol

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[JudynTX]

:( One more episode left before the Finale.

Sigh!

[Kermit]

Spoilers are up as the episode was screened at UCLA. This week is fucking unreal. New episode tonight and finale on Sunday. Weird that it's all going to be over soon. Then Stringer can tell us why it sucked.

[JudynTX]

Spoilers are up as the episode was screened at UCLA. This week is fucking unreal. New episode tonight and finale on Sunday. Weird that it's all going to be over soon. Then Stringer can tell us why it sucked.

You can PM me those spoilers, ya know. :D

[Kermit]

Just highlight.

Everybody’s back, including Richard, Ben, Miles and Des.

It’s a big episode for Charles Widmore.

Major developments transpire in Los Angeles. We catch up with Hurley, Desmond, Kate, Sayid, Jack, John, Ben, Alex, Danielle and Ana Lucia.

We learn why Sun said “It’s him!” when she saw Locke.

We learn why Kate’s name was crossed off on the cave wall.

We learn Shepard, Ford and Reyes are not the only candidates left.

We learn this week which of the candidates succeeds Jacob.

From aintitcool.

[JudynTX]

Just highlight.

Everybody’s back, including Richard, Ben, Miles and Des.

It’s a big episode for Charles Widmore.

Major developments transpire in Los Angeles. We catch up with Hurley, Desmond, Kate, Sayid, Jack, John, Ben, Alex, Danielle and Ana Lucia.

We learn why Sun said “It’s him!” when she saw Locke.

We learn why Kate’s name was crossed off on the cave wall.

We learn Shepard, Ford and Reyes are not the only candidates left.

We learn this week which of the candidates succeeds Jacob.

From aintitcool.

Thanks!!!! :tu

[Stringer_Bell]

Spoilers are up as the episode was screened at UCLA. This week is fucking unreal. New episode tonight and finale on Sunday. Weird that it's all going to be over soon. Then Stringer can tell us why it sucked.

:rollin

It's not my fault that the fan theories and ideas surrounding Seasons 1-5 have been better than the delivery of Season 6. :(

[JudynTX]

I think I know who the mother of Jack's son is too. :D