Lost - The Final Season

[Texas Chili Dog]

I'm not yet convinced the flying punch scene in the rain wasn't an homage to the Matrix.

They loved to do shit like that.

Exactly. When Jack was flying through the air, I was waiting for MIB to dodge him Matrix style. :lol

[rjv]

Not what I took away from it. Jack even asked Christian, and he said everything happened. Think about it: if they all died on O815, how did they have these deep relationships with people they never met? People died along the way, but the island and everything that happened on it was real. The only non-real/non-linear place was the flash sideways.

the question is what event triggered the sideways reality? was it the h-bomb, jack's death, some other unidentified event ?

[MannyIsGod]

the question is what event triggered the sideways reality? was it the h-bomb, jack's death, some other unidentified event ?

All of those and everything else. Christian stated the sideways reality was a place they created for themselves to find each other. I took that to mean that every thing they shared together brought them together in that place.

[rjv]

All of those and everything else. Christian stated the sideways reality was a place they created for themselves to find each other. I took that to mean that every thing they shared together brought them together in that place.

so then the hydrogen bomb did nothing much more than kill juliet who decided to make sure the bomb went off so that she would not have to ever have to reside in the world in which she meets a sawyer who really loves another woman (at least juliet felt this) although it turns out that sawyer and juliet are really eternal loves (as are hugo and libby despite never having had a date).

at what point did LOST become a lifetime movie ?

[MannyIsGod]

so then the hydrogen bomb did nothing much more than kill juliet who decided to make sure the bomb went off so that she would not have to ever have to reside in the world in which she meets a sawyer who really loves another woman (at least juliet felt this) although it turns out that sawyer and juliet are really eternal loves (as are hugo and libby despite never having had a date).

at what point did LOST become a lifetime movie ?

Love stories were a huge central point in this show because relationships were always central to the show. It started off with the Kate/Sawyer/Jack love triangle but even in the first few seasons you had a lot of relationships such as Sayid/Shannon, Jack/Juliet, Rose/Bernard, Sun/Jin, Mike/Walt, Jack/Christian, Charlie/Claire, Ben/Daughter, Penny/Desmond, Locke/Shannon's Bro (name escapes me right now).

That was a huge central focus on this show and some people didn't always focus on it because there were polar bears and gunfights going on at the same time with a smoke monster flying around but they were always there.

[rjv]

Love stories were a huge central point in this show because relationships were always central to the show. It started off with the Kate/Sawyer/Jack love triangle but even in the first few seasons you had a lot of relationships such as Sayid/Shannon, Jack/Juliet, Rose/Bernard, Sun/Jin, Mike/Walt, Jack/Christian, Charlie/Claire, Ben/Daughter, Penny/Desmond, Locke/Shannon's Bro (name escapes me right now).

That was a huge central focus on this show and some people didn't always focus on it because there were polar bears and gunfights going on at the same time with a smoke monster flying around but they were always there.


definitely. love was a central theme of the show. the problem is that some of the romance seemed forced or unbelievable. really? libby and hugo? and sawyer and juliet just never did it for me. it seemed forced on us. maybe it was a dante allighieri (sp.?) thing

[MannyIsGod]

I thought the majority of relationships on the show were extremely well done. Sawyer and Juliet didn't get enough time, but the scene right before the Hbomb seemed anything but forced to me.

[AFBlue]

The writers them selves said they were NOT in purgatory, heaven, dead, or on an alien world. FUCK YOU!

The only thing that was the "afterlife" was the flash sideways...everything else that you saw was real, as well as everything you didn't see (Claire & Kate presumably raising Aaron, Desmond being sent back by Hurley & Ben who protected the island long after Jack's death).

After they all died, they went to this place that would force them to interact and eventually remember the hapiness and love of relationships that fulfilled them. It's a pretty awesome way to show that they found themselves by finding eachother.

[AFBlue]

I thought the majority of relationships on the show were extremely well done. Sawyer and Juliet didn't get enough time, but the scene right before the Hbomb seemed anything but forced to me.

Agree with this...and with pretty much everything you've said in this thread.

You're spot on.

[rjv]

I thought the majority of relationships on the show were extremely well done. Sawyer and Juliet didn't get enough time, but the scene right before the Hbomb seemed anything but forced to me.

and that lack of time made the relationship so unbelievable. one season starts and they just happen to be a couple but she always believed herself to be second choice for sawyer. then we come to find out she is his eternal flame. and what the hell happened to claudia? all of that tension, the entire struggle sayid goes through to be with her for a lifetime and then he opts out for an eternity with a flaky girl he met on the island ?

[MannyIsGod]

and that lack of time made the relationship so unbelievable. one season starts and they just happen to be a couple but she always believed herself to be second choice for sawyer. then we come to find out she is his eternal flame. and what the hell happened to claudia? all of that tension, the entire struggle sayid goes through to be with her for a lifetime and then he opts out for an eternity with a flaky girl he met on the island ?

Claudia wasn't meant to be with Sayid. If you notice in the sideways time line most of the characters dealt with huge personal struggles. For Sayid it was Claudia and even there he wasn't with her. That tells you all you need to know.

As far as Sawyer and Juliet, they spent years together that wasn't shown. I don't understand why it was so unbelievable that over that time they built a love for each other.

I guess I don't get the huge nitpicking of details over such a complicated show that spanned six years. There were so many characters that I believe they did a fantastic job of wrapping things up. There are inconsistencies and I can see where people would find them, but really to me that is merely an obvious case of seeing the trees while ignoring the forest.

[sonic21]

Nadia represents Sayid's life and all the things he couldn't let go. Having her around brings back all the things he hated about himself.

Shannon was notorious for picking the douchebag that always treated her like crap. Sayid was the one guy that made her feel valuable. She was the the one girl that made Sayid let go of who he was.

[MannyIsGod]

lol I called her Claudia.

[AFBlue]

lol I called her Claudia.

I was like "who the f* is this Claudia everyone keeps talking about?"

[rjv]

Claudia wasn't meant to be with Sayid. If you notice in the sideways time line most of the characters dealt with huge personal struggles. For Sayid it was Claudia and even there he wasn't with her. That tells you all you need to know.

As far as Sawyer and Juliet, they spent years together that wasn't shown. I don't understand why it was so unbelievable that over that time they built a love for each other.

I guess I don't get the huge nitpicking of details over such a complicated show that spanned six years. There were so many characters that I believe they did a fantastic job of wrapping things up. There are inconsistencies and I can see where people would find them, but really to me that is merely an obvious case of seeing the trees while ignoring the forest.

not at all. i think there are plenty of cases where great ideas and shows can get bad at some point. a perfect example would be sequels: godfather III, the second and third matrix, the whole star wars prequel trilogy. and why? because they suddenly throw in relationships that have no content or make no sense in context. that or they start trying to explain too much (e.g., trying to explain what the force is in corporeal terms) or get too didactic as in the end of LOST where the writers felt is was necessary for christian shepard to explain the end to jack (and subsequently us). it also started adding too much such as the temple (this was the equivalent to the whole zion aspect of the second matrix). yes, i get that the whole island of aaron and his disciples was an old testament reference but in the end it was just abandoned. for a team of writers who referenced dostoyevsky they abandoned fyodor's main tenant of writing: too be as precise as possible with the text and the story line and characters.

don't get me wrong. i am only pointing on some flaws with the ending. a character driven show suddenly just emerged on one character. still, in the end, we had a show that referenced philosophy, ethics, spirituality, love and faith. in these times of flat out narcissism/nihilism flooding our overabundance of reality shows and plots about deception and self-satisfaction is that such a bad thing ? was the ending flawed? sure. but for me, LOST will still reserve its spot in the pantheon of great television.

[Stringer_Bell]

lol I called her Claudia.

fuck it, in this thread her name is Claudia :lol

Anyone want to share how they thought it would end or am I the only one?

[AFBlue]

where the writers felt is was necessary for christian shepard to explain the end to jack (and subsequently us).

The writers had Christian explain the situation and people were STILL confused. Imagine if they had left out that little bit of explanation about how it was all real.

I didn't think it was out of place at all...preceded very much by a "sixth sense" type of moment.

Jack: Are you dead?
Christian: Yes
Jack: Then why are you here?
Christian: Why are you here?
Jack: (moment of realization) Because I died too

So good.

[rjv]

fuck it, in this thread her name is Claudia :lol

Anyone want to share how they thought it would end or am I the only one?


i thought it would end with the option for each character to determine the reality that they would wind up in based on the choices they made on their last days of the island.

[MannyIsGod]

I honestly had no idea how it would end. I didn't see the Bardo sideline coming. I thought maybe Desmond was going to take them all back to the island and they all pull out Captain Planet like rings and beat smokey with some super hero but yeah. Not so much.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh yeah, and the whole series on blue ray for just over 200 bucks strikes me as a fantastic deal. I'll probably end up getting that. Its a bit cheaper on DVD for those without a blue ray player.

[rjv]

The writers had Christian explain the situation and people were STILL confused. Imagine if they had left out that little bit of explanation about how it was all real.

I didn't think it was out of place at all...preceded very much by a "sixth sense" type of moment.

Jack: Are you dead?
Christian: Yes
Jack: Then why are you here?
Christian: Why are you here?
Jack: (moment of realization) Because I died too

So good.

that is my point. effective or well written endings should never have to do this.

[JudynTX]

There's a LOST Support Group on FB. Man, I need it. :depressed

[Fernando TD21]

Too many questions and too little answers made me stop watching this show after some episodes in the first season. I only watched a few episodes after that. But now, I think I'll end up getting the DVDs to watch the whole show, looks like it's worth it.


cIl0rYbW_hU:lol

[MannyIsGod]

that is my point. effective or well written endings should never have to do this.

The show was extremely well written but as I said above this is not an inaccessible novel but a mainstream TV show. I think they made a huge effort to reach out to people who get the deeper meanings of literature and films but not everyone who watched Lost was in that boat.

[Stringer_Bell]

that is my point. effective or well written endings should never have to do this.

I feel that did made it an effective ending. Jack wasn't telling us he died, he's realizing it for himself. The Flash Sideways we saw him in helped us see him working through his issues, with his son and his mentality to always have to fix things/people. In the end, that extreme personality (his flaws) he had made him the person capable of sacrificing his life for his friends and, in actuality, the world. Still, to get to that place of sublime happiness beyond the purgatory, he needed to let go of those traumas and embrace the connections he made with other people. The same goes for all the characters, but obviously their wrap up was a little faster. And I'm totally cool with that, even though I would have bet my house that the LOST writers would have fucked everything up in the last 5-6 hours of the show...but they didn't ruin the story, and I still have a house. :lol

[rjv]

and i though i didn't like the ending. this is from a LOST site called The Fuselage.


Well, I shouldn’t be here. I loved this episode!

Just kidding suckers. Let’s beat this dead horse.


Mercifully, for the last time...


Let’s recap!


Let's start off with Lindelof and Cuse’s big gimmicky twist that would make M. Night Shyamalan blush. Everyone in the Flash Sideways is in some vague purgatory waiting to realize they’re dead, or waiting for Jack to realize he’s dead, or helping others to realize they’re dead, or some vague dead BS. After flashing back and flashing forward, Lindelof and Cuse decide to flash all the way to dead. It’s cheesy. It’s a cop out. It’s lame. This twist combined with their inability to address many of the questions and plot lines they raised makes Lost a unique failure in TV history.

Sometimes the dead person remembers important people who were in their life, like their father, sometimes they make up people that never existed like a son, and sometimes they forget the people who were important to them… like everyone on the island. Did you seriously expect there to be some kind of coherent rules at this point?


Desmond is still flittering around purgatory helping everyone remember the island and realize that they’re dead… sometimes by setting up elaborate scenarios and sometimes by blunt force trauma. Part grim reaper, part Cupid, part Hulk Hogan = all stupid.


Charlie looks like he’s a skinhead going to a Goths only Halloween party.

Hurley says to Charlie, “What if I told you playing this concert is the most important thing you’ll ever do”. So apparently Charlie has been gothing it up for awhile and couldn’t move on for some reason until now… which just so happens to also be Jack’s time to move on. So you only exist in purgatory and move on once? So Jin and Sun are once again moving on without their kid? I want to kick Jin and Sun’s Lindelofs and Cuses until they can’t speak English.

Charlie is shot with a dart that knocks him out cold in .3 seconds.


Jack took the job because he says the island is “the only thing in my life that I haven’t managed to ruin.” Really? You believe you made the wrong choice in detonating the nuke, you killed Juliet, you wish you could tell John Locke that he was right about everything, and you had a hissy fit and smashed the magic lighthouse mirrors. You suck Jack.


Sawyer has somehow figured out that Locke needs Desmond to destroy the island. He does some fancy recon by crouching behind a bush 20 feet from Locke. Sawyer is caught by Bad Ben. Sawyer escapes by smacking Bad Ben, because everyone smacks Ben, and Locke lets Sawyer walk away and doesn’t kill him because he doesn’t.

Bernard and Rose have been living in Gilligan and Skipper’s hut. Bernard goes to the same hairdresser as Claire. His grooming habits have really gone down the drain but Rose is still sassy just as the law-of-portraying-an-African-American-woman on TV states she must be.

Desmond has a hunch that Locke wants to take him to a place with a bright light because the characters in the finale are really good at guessing the plot. All of their IQs have been dialed up to 80.

Locke tells Desmond that if he doesn’t do what he wants, he’s going to kill Mr. Howe and Lovey. Desmond makes the Smoke Monster pinky swear that he won’t hurt Scruffy and Sassy if he helps destroy the island… which would kill everyone. Bad deal Brotha. Bad deal.

So Locke is taking Desmond to the magic light cave that he previously couldn’t find but now can find.

Miles finds Richard who has been knocked unconscious for what must be 12 hours.

The world’s worst parents are still at the hospital and can’t speak English. Juliet cameo! What a surprise. Sonogram island flashback! Jin remembers the baby he never met, barely loved, and abandoned. We get another dramatic montage. Jin and Sun are all smiles, can speak English, and seem absolutely thrilled to be dead.


Sawyer meets up with Jack, Hurley, and Kate. Jack says that everyone is meeting up at the magic light cave. Sawyer asks, “Then what?” Jack replies, “Then it ends” and loud music from a John Wayne western is heard. Michael Giacchino must be paid per decibel.


Miles somehow notices Richard has a grey hair but doesn’t say a word about the eyeliner.

Lapidus is alive and has been floating around minutes offshore for over a day.

The whole gang bumps into each other on the way to the magic light cave. Jack tells Locke that he’s going to kill him. So much for the element of surprise. Locke says, “How do you plan to do that? Jack says, “That’s a surprise.” Oh, my bad. It is going to be a surprise. Well, Smoke Monsters love surprises because Locke is perfectly fine with all this and doesn’t even ask Jack to whisper the surprise in his ear.


Jack was married to Juliet for some reason in the Neighborhood of Make Believe. I don’t care. I really, really don’t care. Sawyer asks Jack what his plan is. Jack doesn’t really have one but for some reason thinks Desmond is a weapon. Jack is a great leader. And by great I don’t mean great.


Jack, Locke, and Desmond go into the magic cave where the light isn’t as bright as it is outside.


Hurley and Boone have made some elaborate plan to get Sayid and Shannon together and we get another island flashback. It’s tough work in purgatory where you have to get a certain number of people together and help them realize they’re dead in order to help someone else realize they’re dead.


Claire is still crazy and wearing that dead badger on her head.

Someone tell Daniel that hat doesn’t make him look cool. And make him stop talking in hushed halting tones like he’s Keanu Reeves or something. Mercifully we don’t have to hear much of the Driveshaft concert.

Claire goes into labor as Desmond looks on with the smarmy self-satisfied grin often seen from pompous TV show creators.


Desmond is lowered into the cave by Jack and Locke. Jack somehow believes Desmond is going to become a weapon against Locke. Locke somehow believes Desmond is going to sink the island. They each came up with these theories the same way Lindelof and Cuse came up with this plot. They pulled it out of their magic caves.


There are skeletons in the cave of people who didn’t turn into Smoke Monsters and weren’t spit out of the cave.

Now Desmond is in the very bowels of the island and we see a butt plug shaped stone protruding out of the island’s orifice. Although removing the plug is really bad and will destroy everything and do really bad stuff and junk, no one ever thought to cover the plug with more rocks and seal off the cave. If they would have, there would be nothing to protect and live in fear of. Desmond grunts and groans and finally manages to pull the plug free from the island’s hole.

The island starts shaking and going all sorts of crazy. Everything seems to indicate that Locke was right and Jack was wrong, but that doesn’t stop Jack from impulsively tackling the Smoke Monster and punching him in his Smokey mouth. Locke bleeds which of course means that somehow his Smokey powers are gone. Luckily the Smoke Monster-magic light thing doesn’t have to make sense now because it didn’t make sense before. Keep things vague and unexplainable and you don’t have to explain anything. Locke smacks Jack with a rock but leaves without killing him so that Jack can wake up in a few minutes and come after him.


Claire is going into labor but there are no doctors at the fancy museum benefit to deliver her bay-bee. I guess Kate will have to do it. Great.

Eloise somehow knows everything about everything in the real world and in purgatory. But sorry, no more screen time for your story grandma.

Claire craps out one of those cute non-bloody TV babies and we get more of the dramatic flashback crap that will make the audience feel sad and distract them from the countless mysteries the show introduced and dropped. Bah. What mysteries? This is a show about characters. Bah. What plot holes? Who is Walt? Bah. Best finale evah! Bah.


Back on the island the cameraman is shaking the camera around really hard which let’s us know that all hell is breaking loose.

Ben who may be good or bad now is trapped under a tree. Miles, Lapidus, and Richard are still determined to fly the plane and are welding something to the windshield with a propane torch they bought at the hardware store.


Locke is at some cliffs where he has a boat. Instead of hurrying to the boat, he’s standing around at the ladder waiting for Jack to catch up with him like any good cartoon villain would. Jack yells his name and instead of climbing down the ladder before Jack gets to him, Locke runs at Jack and Jack obligingly runs at Locke. Jack does a slo-mo jump which somehow must temporarily stun Locke because he doesn’t use his knife to stab Jack. Jack smacks Locke and surprisingly his knife goes flying out of this hand.

Now some stuff happens that I’ve never seen before. The knife is loose and they wrestle around trying to get it. The knife is just out of Locke’s reach! The tension builds! Now Locke has the knife. He politely stabs Jack once in the side and pushes him to the ground. Locke brings his arm way back as if to say “Here it comes, I’m going to stab you” but luckily Jack catches Locke’s wrist right before the blade goes into his neck. The blade is right at Jack’s neck! Despite being above him and having all of his weight to push with, Locke can’t quite push the blade down. Locke takes a moment to taunt Jack and say, “I want you to know Jack. You died for nothing.” Just then, Kate pops up, shoots Locke, and delvers the line, “I saved you a bullet”. Jack kicks Locke over the cliff. Goodbye unnamed evil guy with ambiguous super powers acquired in an unknown way. I feel like we hardly knew ye. Mainly because we didn’t.

Meanwhile back in the Dead Zone, Locke wiggles his toes, has his poignant island flashback and realizes that he’s dead.

Jin and Sun meet up with Sawyer at the hospital and are still smiling all goofy and speaking English. Shut up you two.

Miles worked for a contractor renovating apartments for a couple summers so he knows how to fix the hydraulics in the nose of an airplane… with duct tape.


Kate asks why the cameraman is still shaking the camera now that Locke is dead. Jack somehow has figured out that Desmond turned off something in the cave and somehow has figured out that he can turn it back on. Jack could go with everyone on the plane but he can’t because he says he can’t. Kate and Sawyer could help Jack re-butt plug the island but they decide to leave despite being told previously that everyone in the world would die if the butt was unplugged and the light went out. Ben, who is no longer trapped under a tree somehow, and is now Good Ben, has been welcomed back into the moron posse but says he’s going down with the island. Hurley can carry a man out of a sinking sub to save his life but he’s not going to jump off a cliff into the water to save his life. Dude?

Jack and Kate exchange I love yous completely out of the blue… although Jack was married to Juliet in puratory for some reason. Who knows. Whatever. It’s almost over.


Sawyer runs into Juliet in the Land of Misfit Toys and makes me long for the days we watched her dying for an hour and a half.

Sawyer doesn’t ask her what the hell she meant by “It worked” but they have their romantic flashes and Juliet spits out the line about getting coffee sometime. They embrace, Sawyer works in some “I got yas”, Juliet says, “Kiss me James”, and he complies after delivering the line “You got it Blondie”. I throw up, urinate, crap myself, and lose control of all of my bodily functions. Sorry, I’m allergic to cheesy dialogue callbacks. Don’t judge me.



Kate and Jack meet up in purgatory. Kate touches him, he has an island flashback, and although he’s grown tremendously as a character, is still too stubborn to realize what’s going on.

Back on the island, Jack is going into the cave and is bestowing his magical mojo to Hurley. Jack doesn’t know the magic spell mumbo jumbo and the river is dried up but Hurley drinks water from a magic mud puddle and shazam! Hurley is the new Jacob.

Jack goes into the cave and tells Desmond to leave despite the fact that Desmond is the only one who can survive the light. Logic and reason be damned! Jack is going to do this himself.

The un-flyable plane is now flyable thanks to some magic duct tape and just has enough runway to take off.

Jack somehow manages to survive the magic light, doesn’t turn into a Smoke Monster, and re-butt plugs the island. After all, Lost is about the characters not about silly things like rules, plot consistency, or story logic. Bah. Jack lays on the ground and laugh-cries. A new twist on the old sissy-face man cry.

If only someone special or magical knew that the way to cause the Smoke Monster to lose his power was to pull the plug on the magic drain and then quickly re-plug it, Desmond could have done that long ago.


Hurley and Good Ben have a good chat. Dude asks Ben, “What the hell am I supposed to do?” Ben tells Dude to do what he does best. Say dude a lot and eat stuff? No, “take care of people”. What people? Hurley asks if Ben will help him. Great idea Dude. What are the chances that Ben will turn bad and screw you over at some point? Hopefully the magic fairies keep dropping those Dharma supplies from their magic fairy spaceships.


Hurley has a heart to heart with Ben in purgatory. Hurley tells Ben he was a great number two. Lost is a great number two. A great big smelly number two.

Jack arrives at the funeral home where everyone else has gathered. He touches his Dad’s coffin and has more island flashbacks. Jack opens the coffin and there is no body. And then it happens… you were force fed one cheesy scene after another for over two hours… here comes a 10 minute enema.

Dear old drunken Dad is actually in the room behind Jack… and he’s dead… and Jack’s dead… and everyone is dead. Lost is dead.


Back on the island, Jack has somehow survived the light cave and somehow has been magically transported out of the cave. As he stumbles through the jungle, everyone in purgatory hugs and sad music plays.

Christian heavy handedly opens a door and a light shines through. On the island, Jack lies down. Vincent lies down beside him and we get a close up of Jack’s eye as it closes. Vincent perks up a bit. He’s hungry. Very, very, hungry.


Horrible.


Last week on the forum someone compared Lost to a bad relationship and I said…

After Sunday I’m breaking things off. I’m going over to her apartment, getting back my CDs and sweatshirt and calling her a dirty slut.

Well… Lost, you are a dirty slut. You lied to me, faked it, and probably gave me an STD.

[JudynTX]

^^^ :lol Sounds like a sore loser. We will never all be happy with the ending, you must move on, like Jack did. :toast

Was it from The Fuselage? Die hard Lost fans right there.

[rjv]

^^^ :lol Sounds like a sore loser.

it was the fuselage and actually that particular site was pretty much thumbs down. as of course are all the "skaters" that were out there. of course their server is down now due to traffic.

[JudynTX]

Bernard and Rose have been living in Gilligan and Skipper’s hut

:lol But it was a 2010 version of Gilligan's Island. That site is always down because of traffic, that's why I stopped visiting there.

[rr2418]

I do understand about the flash sideways and I am satisfied with the ending. But I keep thinking about the H-bomb and now I'm convinced that the bomb didn't blow up but instead triggered the flash sideways like someone pointed out. Remember Sawyer was carrying a dead Juliet? He looked at Jack and blamed him for her death. Juliet may have been dead but she was intact, not blown to bits.

[MannyIsGod]

I mean obviously the bomb didn't go off in the normal sense - they were all walking around after being like 50 ft from it. It was an Hbomb. LOL

[Spurminator]

Juliet did fall a long way. That's probably what killed her.

[sonic21]

Whatever happened, happened.

Miles was always right. The losties provoked the same event they were trying to prevent. No Jughead, no "Incident" (the Incident being, hitting the pocket of energy AND using Jughead to seal it), no second purpose of The Hatch (releasing the build-up of energy), no 'no hitting the button' for Desmond, no Oceanic 815 crash, no losties, no Locke convincing Desmond not pushing the button, no failsafe, no island not invisible anymore, no 'not Penny's boat', no Ben moving the island, no time flashes, no Locke getting off the island to get everyone back, no Ajira flight, no time travel to 1977, no Jughead.

[MannyIsGod]

If I took the same attitude some people have had to this show to any SciFi or Fantasy story it would be amazing.

Well how does the one ring control them all? I mean how does only the fire of Mount Doom destroy it? Oh I see, Tolkien just went to the magic card to explain all of that - what a crock of shit.

Oh so how exactly does a wormhole in star trek work? Why doesn't everyone just beam everywhere? Oh I see, Gene Roddenberry just went to the future card to explain all of that. What a crock of shit.

[rAm]

Christian stated the sideways reality was a place they created for themselves to find each other.

That's how LOST ended? seriously? "They created a place to find each other after they died" That is supposed to be a fitting end to everything that happened? It's bullshit.

Explain at least SOME of the wacko shit that was thrown at us for 6 years instead of saying it was all magic, and then they had one last party before they all walked through the doors into heaven and lived happily ever after. I don't understand how anyone can argue that this was a good end to the series.

[rjv]

this is one i agree with more than the first ranting:


OK, so Sun is about 20 weeks pregnant, and yet she's not showing at all and has a nice flat belly when Juliet does the sonogram? Sun and Jin's AHA moment was them seeing baby Ji Yeon on the ultrasound, this is the same baby that they didn't care enough about in the other timeline for Jin to go and raise her? And after their AHA moment, they can both speak English perfectly?

Why exactly can MiB now bleed, because Jacob is totally gone (fire has gone out) or because the bathtub water has drained out? How did Boone remember? In the FS, Jack's neck bleeds, yet his deep lower right quadrant wound doesn't? Not too mention it doesn't bleed very much in the OTL. That was a deep wound and on the same side as the liver, so it should be gushing blood, but hey, whatever, he has to go back and put the plug back in the bathtub so the magic water can start running again.
Those are all the things I can think of off the top of my head at the moment. Like I said, if the ending had been different, I might not have cared much for most of those things I listed above, but that blasted ending ruined everything for me. With 30 minutes to go, I actually was thinking about retracting what I said and buying the S6 Blu-ray, but then that ending came, thankfully it did, because I'll save myself the $50.

and then a few others:


This episode almost redeemed the monstrosity that was Season 6. Almost. The first 2 hours was actually pretty good. But the ending ruined it all. The thing that upsets me the most is that it made the entire Flash Sideways utterly pointless. They spent half the time of the Final Season focusing on a meaningless purgatory reality. Instead, they could have focused everything on-island


I have to say, I'm a disappointed. It just felt so unfinished. The Sideways turned into a cop out. Not happy with everyone surviving. And we don't even know what happens to Frank, Kate, Miles, Claire, Sawyer, etc. I don't like that. I honestly feel like the show was better when they didn't have an end date. The writing was more interesting. After season 4, I feel like things started to drag.


I mean, that scene in the church has just ruined so much for me. I loved this show. I loved this episode, even. But THAT is the flash sideways?? Why why why why? After all the promises about no purgatory, about the sideways mattering, about the two time lines merging, why did they have to do that to us? UGH




So, after one awesome season and five tedious, glacially paced seasons of "easter egg"-laden, carrot-dangling filler, there is ultimately no explanation for the island, the light, the energy, the numbers -- none of it??? I hope that when the embers from the afterglow burn out fans see the show for what is truly was: a long con.



So we missed out on answers because they spent half the season on the after life? What?



A little disappointed.

Too much stuff has remained unanswered, stuff that should not be left to viewer interpretation.



Lost fans are the most nitpicky, detail-oriented, argumentative bunch out there. On the other, give us a few obviously tailored-to-please scenes of mushy memories and some of us will forget everything else. As long as my favorite character gets a happy ending (that doesn't make sense at all) I don't care what else happens!

I think really that the people who continue to love it no matter what, will simply tailor their view on things to fit whatever situation is at hand. If a scientific theory helps make the show better, then that's what they go with. If on another occasion, ignoring plotholes and saying "it's just a show that entertains" fits the bill, then they will do that.
I for one can't be so wishy-washy. I have to be consistent.

Right now, I think most people are in the latter frame of mind.
I have to like this ending, because liking it will make the show better. If I don't like it, then I will feel like a fool for spending so much time and emotion on it, and who wants to feel like that?


I still love Lost,it's still one of the best shows ever,certainly the smartest,but the ending kind of ruined it.I used to think no show could ever top Lost but with that ending another show could.I think I'll still be able to watch Lost but it will be different.It will be harder to invest in the characters which were so important to the show.Ultimately Lost was a character driven show and they let the characters down and in turn let the audience down.Maybe someday watching the show all the way through will make it better,but I'll never be able to watch it quite the same.

The ending killed a large part of the magic that was Lost.

Lost was a wonderful show (up until the last 10 minutes or so) and I'll miss it.It was the smartest ,most creative show I have ever seen (and probably ever will)and it had a wonderful very talented cast.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol

I really do find it funny the stuff they have trouble with. I really want these people to do a few posts on the LOTR or some other fantasy/sci fi story because I'm sure it would be rather epic.

My favorite are the ones who say the ending ruined it. Oh, has the finale suddenly made it to where you weren't entertained and enthralled through the years you watched the show? Nice!

[rjv]

If I took the same attitude some people have had to this show to any SciFi or Fantasy story it would be amazing.

Well how does the one ring control them all? I mean how does only the fire of Mount Doom destroy it? Oh I see, Tolkien just went to the magic card to explain all of that - what a crock of shit.




well for the record, tolkien indicated from the very beginning that the only way to destroy the ring was to cast it back into that from which it was made. evil came from the pits of hell (or mordor, symbolically) and thus it had to be cast back and only the one who could resist all the temptations along the way could succeed.

[sonic21]

Those who say this wasn't a fitting ending missed out on the heart of this show for the past 6 years imo.

[MannyIsGod]

well for the record, tolkien indicated from the very beginning that the only way to destroy the ring was to cast it back into that from which it was made. evil came from the pits of hell (or mordor, symbolically) and thus it had to be cast back and only the one who could resist all the temptations along the way could succeed.

Yes but why only the fires of Mt. Doom? Because they were magic? What a cop out! I mean if we read through the entire book don't we deserve to know HOW it destroys it? I'm sorry but that ending totally ruined LOTR for me. Tolkien was just lazy.

[rjv]

:lol

I really do find it funny the stuff they have trouble with. I really want these people to do a few posts on the LOTR or some other fantasy/sci fi story because I'm sure it would be rather epic.

My favorite are the ones who say the ending ruined it. Oh, has the finale suddenly made it to where you weren't entertained and enthralled through the years you watched the show? Nice!

i do not see that as the case. they had no problem with the rest of the show up until the very end.

[rjv]

Yes but why only the fires of Mt. Doom? Because they were magic? What a cop out! I mean if we read through the entire book don't we deserve to know HOW it destroys it? I'm sorry but that ending totally ruined LOTR for me. Tolkien was just lazy.

:rollinat calling a man who, for the purpose of this book, created his own languages complete with syntax, phonetics and vocabulary as "lazy".

[rAm]

If I took the same attitude some people have had to this show to any SciFi or Fantasy story it would be amazing.

Well how does the one ring control them all? I mean how does only the fire of Mount Doom destroy it? Oh I see, Tolkien just went to the magic card to explain all of that - what a crock of shit.

Oh so how exactly does a wormhole in star trek work? Why doesn't everyone just beam everywhere? Oh I see, Gene Roddenberry just went to the future card to explain all of that. What a crock of shit.

The thing is, LOST was never based in a magical kingdom. It dealt with science not magic, the only thing that was magic the whole series was the black smoke and even that made mechanical sounds. Then at the end to say it was all based on magic and not even attempt to explain all the hundreds of mysteries that served as cliffhangers and major plot twists throughout the entire series is bullshit.

Tolkein didn't pull a "magic" card, LOL at you even saying that. From the beginning of book one (or at least the Council of Elrond can't remember) you knew in order to destroy the ring you had to toss it into Mt. Doom. That was the whole point of the quest that covered 3 books. Yea it was magic, but that's why you read those books. You didn't watch lost for 6 years just to have them say 2 episodes from the end that it was all magic, it is just bad story-telling and lazy writing

[MannyIsGod]

I know man, but the reasons stated that "too many things were unbelievable" and nit picking details that seem unrealistic are a pretty stupid reason (in my opinion) to hate on a show that through its six years has had a fucking smoke monsters on a mysterious uncharted island chasing people who see dead people. You'd think that through those six years they would have learned to suspend disbelief just for a second. Did they expect Jacob to explain the laws of physics that make time travel possible and allowed MIB to turn into the black version of a spider man villain?

[MannyIsGod]

:rollinat calling a man who, for the purpose of this book, created his own languages complete with syntax, phonetics and vocabulary as "lazy".

Jesus Christ you're making my head hurt.

[rAm]

Yes but why only the fires of Mt. Doom? Because they were magic? What a cop out! I mean if we read through the entire book don't we deserve to know HOW it destroys it? I'm sorry but that ending totally ruined LOTR for me. Tolkien was just lazy.

rofl @ Tolkien being lazy...

it was created in mt. doom thus the only place it could be destroyed

[MannyIsGod]

The thing is, LOST was never based in a magical kingdom. It dealt with science not magic, the only thing that was magic the whole series was the black smoke and even that made mechanical sounds. Then at the end to say it was all based on magic and not even attempt to explain all the hundreds of mysteries that served as cliffhangers and major plot twists throughout the entire series is bullshit.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Lost was based on science the same way Star Trek and Star wars are based on science. I completely understand why some of you are butt hurt now. You think smoke monsters are based on science. You know what happens if this series is based on science? THEY ALL FUCKING DIE IN THE PILOT.



Tolkein didn't pull a "magic" card, LOL at you even saying that. From the beginning of book one (or at least the Council of Elrond can't remember) you knew in order to destroy the ring you had to toss it into Mt. Doom. That was the whole point of the quest that covered 3 books. Yea it was magic, but that's why you read those books. You didn't watch lost for 6 years just to have them say 2 episodes from the end that it was all magic, it is just bad story-telling and lazy writing

LOL.

[EmptyMan]

There is a line in this thread that has been crossed.

Please leave LOTR out of this.



I agree with the people who are pissed at the lack of explanations, but at the same time I am content with the ending. I dug the Spiritual twist once it sunk in.

[MannyIsGod]

rofl @ Tolkien being lazy...

it was created in mt. doom thus the only place it could be destroyed

LOL Obviously. Thats the way things work in the real world. My bad. Tolkien >>>>>> Lost writers.

[sonic21]

For those that say the characters were not the driving force of the show need to go back and watch the series again. Mythology played a large part but the majority of episodes were much more focused on the people. Internet sites were more driven on the details than the actual show was.

[rAm]

I know man, but the reasons stated that "too many things were unbelievable" and nit picking details that seem unrealistic are a pretty stupid reason (in my opinion) to hate on a show that through its six years has had a fucking smoke monsters on a mysterious uncharted island chasing people who see dead people. You'd think that through those six years they would have learned to suspend disbelief just for a second. Did they expect Jacob to explain the laws of physics that make time travel possible and allowed MIB to turn into the black version of a spider man villain?

It wasn't all unexplainable, Have you read any of the theories people came up throughout the show? Some of those were amazing to read, they tied in 95% of everything that ever happened in the show.

Instead it was explained as a light that held all of the good in the world, here drink this water and you will know all, but the viewer won't. Oh and they all meet up in a church and walk through the doors to heaven. That's fucking lazy shit right there.

[MannyIsGod]

It wasn't all unexplainable, Have you read any of the theories people came up throughout the show? Some of those were amazing to read, they tied in 95% of everything that ever happened in the show.

Nice - maybe they should go write their own network shows since they're so good at it? Maybe they can critique more writers on how their work SHOULD have been written.



Instead it was explained as a light that held all of the good in the world, here drink this water and you will know all, but the viewer won't. Oh and they all meet up in a church and walk through the doors to heaven. That's fucking lazy shit right there.

Completely lazy. They probably wrote it in 15 minutes on a piece of toilet paper while taking a shit.

[rAm]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Lost was based on science the same way Star Trek and Star wars are based on science. I completely understand why some of you are butt hurt now. You think smoke monsters are based on science. You know what happens if this series is based on science? THEY ALL FUCKING DIE IN THE PILOT.



LOL.

You missed the point. The show claimed all of this shit about time travel, and scientists researching an anomaly, and multiple parties throughout the world interested in this island because it held a strange property?

Then they continue to build the mystery for several more seasons just to wait till the very end to explain everything with magic?

Star Trek and Star Wars were pretty damn accurate to the "known facts of science" at the time they came out, and they still managed to create character arcs and finish them without shitting all over the series and it's fans.

[EmptyMan]

There is NO DOUBT the writers dropped the ball with the potential of this series. They have even admitted it. Remember in season 1 when they promised everything could be explained metaphysically or whatever the term is for somewhat theoretical scientific reasoning. Fast forward a few years and we get a glowing stream that looked straight out of a B-Move Sci-Fi channel Saturday night special? C'mon LOST.

[rAm]

Nice - maybe they should go write their own network shows since they're so good at it? Maybe they can critique more writers on how their work SHOULD have been written.



Completely lazy. They probably wrote it in 15 minutes on a piece of toilet paper while taking a shit.

Or maybe the writer's should just spend some time finishing off their masterpiece instead of claiming the entire show has been about the characters in the first place just so they don't have to actually tie it all in.

Do you remember any of the other re-cap episodes besides the final one? They went over all the weird mysteries and plot twists that got the characters to where they were at the time of the re-cap. The final one focused just on the characters just so people wouldn't be as angry when they didn't even try to explain anything. Wasn't the promo, ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED ?

[MannyIsGod]

You missed the point. The show claimed all of this shit about time travel, and scientists researching an anomaly, and multiple parties throughout the world interested in this island because it held a strange property?

Then they continue to build the mystery for several more seasons just to wait till the very end to explain everything with magic?


I'm not even sure why I'm arguing with you about this. I'm bored at the office but its an unwinnable argument. You think the island was the center of Lost - I don't. The Writers don't. I enjoyed the ending - sucks that you didn't. I think some of the reasons that people have for not liking it considering the context of Lost itself was scifi/fantasy.



Star Trek and Star Wars were pretty damn accurate to the "known facts of science" at the time they came out, and they still managed to create character arcs and finish them without shitting all over the series and it's fans.

LOL That is just funny as shit.

[MannyIsGod]

Or maybe the writer's should just spend some time finishing off their masterpiece instead of claiming the entire show has been about the characters in the first place just so they don't have to actually tie it all in.

Do you remember any of the other re-cap episodes besides the final one? They went over all the weird mysteries and plot twists that got the characters to where they were at the time of the re-cap. The final one focused just on the characters just so people wouldn't be as angry when they didn't even try to explain anything. Wasn't the promo, ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED ?

The entire show has been about the characters. Thats why you would get a "jack episode" or a "locke episode" or a "mr. ecko" episode or a "jacob and MIB episode or a "ben" episode or a "desmond and penny" episode.

[rjv]

It wasn't all unexplainable, Have you read any of the theories people came up throughout the show? Some of those were amazing to read, they tied in 95% of everything that ever happened in the show.

Instead it was explained as a light that held all of the good in the world, here drink this water and you will know all, but the viewer won't. Oh and they all meet up in a church and walk through the doors to heaven. That's fucking lazy shit right there.

exactly. it's almost as if they were going to try to create a more complex version of what consciousness may be, about parallel universes and multiple realities. they brought in daniel hawking for that very reason. now i don't want to go this far but were they saying that since daniel does not leave the sideways reality with desmond that science has no place there at this time? is that why all attempts at science on the island failed? because faith trumps science? fine, but then at least stay with the mystery then. do not suddenly abandon it.

[rAm]

I'm not even sure why I'm arguing with you about this. I'm bored at the office but its an unwinnable argument. You think the island was the center of Lost - I don't. The Writers don't. I enjoyed the ending - sucks that you didn't. I think some of the reasons that people have for not liking it considering the context of Lost itself was scifi/fantasy.

They ended the character's story fine, if you like sappy after-death re-unions in a "church" at the door to "heaven". I mean seriously?

It's not like I fell in love with the island and it's the center of the show for me. Every single thing in this show was based on the island, or around the island, or in the island, or about the island. Find me one thing that wasn't.

And then to show me a stream of glowing piss and have the man-in-black created out of it because his brother through him down there? That is the big fucking mystery? It's bad storytelling, and you can prop them up for finishing off the character's story all you want, but they shit on the other half of the show. If I wanted to watch a drama about castaway's on an island I would be a Survivor fan.

You enjoyed the ending because you are a simple man who was spoon fed a sappy ending, and you accepted it.

[rAm]

exactly. it's almost as if they were going to try to create a more complex version of what consciousness may be, about parallel universes and multiple realities. they brought in daniel hawking for that very reason. now i don't want to go this far but were they saying that since daniel does not leave the sideways reality with desmond that science has no place there at this time? is that why all attempts at science on the island failed? because faith trumps science? fine, but then at least stay with the mystery then. do not suddenly abandon it.

Yep, like why even have this scene:

LvlFN_Negio

[rjv]

and as to this "place" they created ben does not enter yet because he is in a limbo, still dealing with all the sins he committed. but sayid who murdered people has no problem. at least be theologically consistent as well.

[MannyIsGod]

They ended the character's story fine, if you like sappy after-death re-unions in a "church" at the door to "heaven". I mean seriously?

It's not like I fell in love with the island and it's the center of the show for me. Every single thing in this show was based on the island, or around the island, or in the island, or about the island. Find me one thing that wasn't.


I'll find you tons:

Sawyers Demons, Jacks relationship with his father, Ben's inability to find a purpose in life, Locke's demons with his father, Sun/Jin's falling in love and out of love and in love again, Kate's checkered past, Charlie's drug addiction, Clairs indecision over her baby, Mr. Ecko's family relationships and how he delt with them and I could go on and on and on and on.

The show was not about the island but about the problems people had and how they delt with them. In many cases the unique situation on the island either exacerbated these problems or situations and provided ways for them to come out but they were never about the island.



And then to show me a stream of glowing piss and have the man-in-black created out of it because his brother through him down there? That is the big fucking mystery? It's bad storytelling, and you can prop them up for finishing off the character's story all you want, but they shit on the other half of the show. If I wanted to watch a drama about castaway's on an island I would be a Survivor fan.

You enjoyed the ending because you are a simple man who was spoon fed a sappy ending, and you accepted it.I'll take being a happily entertained simple man rather than being some kind of emo guy on the internet who is upset because someone telling a story didn't end it the way he wanted it. I don't know about you, but prime time network TV - whats on before Lost again? Dancing with the Stars? - isn't the place I go for deep but I'm sure you're FAR more well read than this simple man.

[rAm]

the show was not about the island but about the problems people had and how they delt with them.


on the island that they were stranded on

[MannyIsGod]

on the island that they were stranded on

And how exactly does that make the location the central theme?

[rjv]

Yep, like why even have this scene:

LvlFN_Negio

you are adding to our point. LOST at this point is giving reason to the mysteries but in the end it abandoned it and it even abandoned trying to explain the mystery of the island altogether.

like when jacob tells kate 'it's just a line of chalk through a name'.

[MannyIsGod]

I get that your upset that they didn't explain things the way you wanted, but they did explain things. You can't keep saying they didn't explain things because what you really mean is they didn't explain things in a way that was satisfactory to you. That's cool and that's entirely your prerogative to feel that way.

[rAm]

I wasn't watching the show for a central theme, and neither were you. You watched it because there was cool shit going down, not because of Sawyer's relationship with kate, GMAFB.

[rAm]

I get that your upset that they didn't explain things the way you wanted, but they did explain things. You can't keep saying they didn't explain things because what you really mean is they didn't explain things in a way that was satisfactory to you. That's cool and that's entirely your prerogative to feel that way.

Explain it to me then big guy.

[MannyIsGod]

I wasn't watching the show for a central theme, and neither were you. You watched it because there was cool shit going down, not because of Sawyer's relationship with kate, GMAFB.


Explain it to me then big guy.

Man, the finale really has you upset. You're so deep yet you weren't looking for a central theme? You mean to tell me you watched it for "cool shit going down" and you called me simple?

I watched it because as far as TV storytelling goes, Lost was the best thing on network TV since the West Wing finished. Nothing else even came close to being as good as this was. There have been better shows, but they've been on HBO or Showtime.

If you're looking for explanations read this thread again. Start with Exstatics Bardo post. I understand that you think this makes it sappy and worthless, but I'm pretty sure that the meaning of life is still one of the tougher subjects for philosophers.

[rAm]

Man, the finale really has you upset. You're so deep yet you weren't looking for a central theme? You mean to tell me you watched it for "cool shit going down" and you called me simple?

I watched it because as far as TV storytelling goes, Lost was the best thing on network TV since the West Wing finished. Nothing else even came close to being as good as this was. There have been better shows, but they've been on HBO or Showtime.

The acting across the board was pretty horrible. There were a few exceptional ones (TO'Q, Ben, Desmond) but the majority were bad actors. The thing that made the show amazing was the setting, plot, and themes.

So they shit all over the plot and half the setting to comply to a theme and make everyone feel good about themselves that all the characters got back together in the end. Be happy with that, I'm not.

Leaving work, to be continued..

[MannyIsGod]

I don't know how the hell you can say this show wasn't character driven. Even if you bring up the Island, the obvious answer to that is that the island was a character at times itself in this series.

[Stringer_Bell]

Actually, I really don't think that clip contradicts anything or feels unresolved. It was totally resolved.

Also, too many arguments I've seen against LOST have ended in me saying "You've been doing it wrong." Meaning, you have been watching it wrong. That sucks, those people must feel terrible for all that wasted time. I think there will be enough information to piece everything together on the Blu Ray for everyone else, other than Walt/Degroots/Alvar answers...I'm good yo.

[ElNono]

It's silly to try to pretend that the island and it's wicked properties didn't play a center role in the series. You're telling me that you would have enjoyed the show just as much if they were lost in a zoo in Zimbabwe?

The donkey wheel, time travel, the inability to have children there, all the egyptian artifacts throughout the island, the pockets of electromagnetism, the inability to find or leave the island unless you follow specific directions, etc. They even built a character, Desmond, that basically was special because he was somehow immune to a lot of that stuff.

As grand was the resolution of all the characters in the show, the resolution of the island, another central character, was kind of an afterthought. And it's sad because they had basically three seasons to do a better job.

I'm personally not angry at anybody, and I thought the ending was good. But they could have done a much better job closing the island arc, and I'm disappointed that they did not.

[MannyIsGod]

The acting across the board was pretty horrible. There were a few exceptional ones (TO'Q, Ben, Desmond) but the majority were bad actors. The thing that made the show amazing was the setting, plot, and themes.

Lost has some of the best acting on TV. The casting of so many characters was great and I'm not sure how you can possibly complain about the acting. There's a reason Lost actors were consistently listed in the best actor catagories at both the Emmys and Golden Globes.

LOL at you saying the themes made it amazing and then shitting all over the ending. Are you being serious?



So they shit all over the plot and half the setting to comply to a theme and make everyone feel good about themselves that all the characters got back together in the end. Be happy with that, I'm not.

Leaving work, to be continued..

Of course you're not happy with that: You're far too complex to be satisfied with such a simple subject as the one Lost decided to go after. I mean shit, there were smiling people in the end and BRIGHT LIGHT - what kind of person enjoys that? A simple one.

In all seriousness, how does one take a shit on a plot and setting? LOL You just said the themes were why you liked and then turn around and post that complying to a theme was a reason it sucked?

This thread has provided me almost as much entertainment as Lost has.

[MannyIsGod]

It's silly to try to pretend that the island and it's wicked properties didn't play a center role in the series. You're telling me that you would have enjoyed the show just as much if they were lost in a zoo in Zimbabwe?

The donkey wheel, time travel, the inability to have children there, all the egyptian artifacts throughout the island, the pockets of electromagnetism, the inability to find or leave the island unless you follow specific directions, etc. They even built a character, Desmond, that basically was special because he was somehow immune to a lot of that stuff.

As grand was the resolution of all the characters in the show, the resolution of the island, another central character, was kind of an afterthought. And it's sad because they had basically three seasons to do a better job.

I'm personally not angry at anybody, and I thought the ending was good. But they could have done a much better job closing the island arc, and I'm disappointed that they did not.

This is probably the best criticism I've read in this thread because its undeniable they left the island really open ended and there were a lot of unanswered questions.

That being said, you should have seen that shit coming from miles away. People who are upset suddenly after the finale on this level haven't been paying attention - at all.

[ElNono]

I thought the acting was fine. Maybe the exceptions being Ana Lucia and Zoe.

Ultimately, everybody has their favorite actors/characters, and there's always one or two that stand out because they're just superior performers (Michael Emerson, Terry O'Quinn).

[ElNono]

This is probably the best criticism I've read in this thread because its undeniable they left the island really open ended and there were a lot of unanswered questions.

That being said, you should have seen that shit coming from miles away. People who are upset suddenly after the finale on this level haven't been paying attention - at all.

I agree they couldn't possibly explain every can of worms they opened. I just thought they could have done a better job on that than what they did. They did have 3 seasons to do it. Even for characters you could say the same. It would have been interesting to see the spin they would put to explain Hugo being able to see dead people than yet another scene of Jacob playing what ultimately was a meaningless game with the MiB.

I think most people that are upset is because the alt had basically nothing to do with the island (other than the fact they were all there at some point in time). The supernatural has normally been tied to the island, and to see something like that out of the left field, I can see how they would be upset.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, it had to do with the Island because in the job of saving/protecing the island they were all linked forever. Christian says the time they shared on that island was the most important in all of their lives.

[ElNono]

Well, it had to do with the Island because in the job of saving/protecing the island they were all linked forever. Christian says the time they shared on that island was the most important in all of their lives.

Sure, but it's them that made that place, not the island. Christian also says that it's the place they made themselves to go away together. So, again, the island is really on a second plane.

The alt is ultimately all about them. And I really have no problem with that.
That said, I can definitely see how some other fans would think different.

[4>0rings]

That being said, you should have seen that shit coming from miles away. People who are upset suddenly after the finale on this level haven't been paying attention - at all.BS. The commercials talking about the finale said it would answer all the questions. The writters said they would answer everything in the last season. Fuck Lost and all their apologists.

[rAm]

This is probably the best criticism I've read in this thread because its undeniable they left the island really open ended and there were a lot of unanswered questions.

That being said, you should have seen that shit coming from miles away. People who are upset suddenly after the finale on this level haven't been paying attention - at all.

So basically someone compares the island to zimbabwe and you get it now? It actually wasn't the finale that was the problem, it was the "Across the Sea" episode that dropped the ball and turned the series into garbage. The finale just didn't do anything to change this, all in all it was a good episode of TV.

So get off your high horse of themes and character development and face the fact that the writers took an easy way out.

Did anyone really want that happy of an ending anyways?

[rAm]

Well, it had to do with the Island because in the job of saving/protecing the island they were all linked forever. Christian says the time they shared on that island was the most important in all of their lives.

If christian told you to suck Sawyer's left nipple, would you?

[4>0rings]

If christian told you to suck Sawyer's left nipple, would you?
:lol

[exstatic]

The acting across the board was pretty horrible. There were a few exceptional ones (TO'Q, Ben, Desmond) but the majority were bad actors. The thing that made the show amazing was the setting, plot, and themes.

So they shit all over the plot and half the setting to comply to a theme and make everyone feel good about themselves that all the characters got back together in the end. Be happy with that, I'm not.

Leaving work, to be continued..

The actors that played Locke and Ben both won Emmys.

[exstatic]

So basically someone compares the island to zimbabwe and you get it now? It actually wasn't the finale that was the problem, it was the "Across the Sea" episode that dropped the ball and turned the series into garbage. The finale just didn't do anything to change this, all in all it was a good episode of TV.

So get off your high horse of themes and character development and face the fact that the writers took an easy way out.

Did anyone really want that happy of an ending anyways?

THEY WERE ALL DEAD. How fucking happy is that? Did you want to see them living out eternal damnation on a Ronnie James Dio album cover?

I'm real fucking sorry that Smoky eviscerating Jack rather painfully, ultimately resulting in his death, was too fucking happy for you.

[MannyIsGod]

If christian told you to suck Sawyer's left nipple, would you?

Did you cut yourself as you watched the final episodes of lost while wearing black and listening to the smiths?

[MannyIsGod]

So basically someone compares the island to zimbabwe and you get it now? It actually wasn't the finale that was the problem, it was the "Across the Sea" episode that dropped the ball and turned the series into garbage. The finale just didn't do anything to change this, all in all it was a good episode of TV.

So get off your high horse of themes and character development and face the fact that the writers took an easy way out.

Did anyone really want that happy of an ending anyways?

LOL OK Mr. Deep Complex Guy. Who is on their high horse here? You never answered my questions above btw. I get their criticism of how the Island themes weren't fulfilled, but thats a long way from saying this was anything but a character driven drama with damn good acting.

I get it - you didn't like the ending. Thats fine, but doesn't change what the series was.

[MannyIsGod]

THEY WERE ALL DEAD. How fucking happy is that? Did you want to see them living out eternal damnation on a Ronnie James Dio album cover?

I'm real fucking sorry that Smoky eviscerating Jack rather painfully, ultimately resulting in his death, was too fucking happy for you.

Simple minded fool.

[Big P]

Stick a fork in it.

[rjv]

Stick a fork in it.

maybe we should all just create some paranormal sideways thread where we can all just reconnect and get along. and then walk off into the light together.

[Texas Chili Dog]

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/thepistonsfanTRADEPAGE/REDSKINS%20PLUS/LOST/bbcfb2e1.jpg

[Kermit]

Even LOTR and Star Trek were ultimately about the relationships between the characters and less about the mysteries and fantasy of their respective worlds. I know that's not what Manny was even remotely getting at but just found that interesting.

[Kamala]

I loved the ending and the idea of Hugo as the new Jacob and Ben as the #2.

[JudynTX]

Stick a fork in it.

Did you even watch the show? :rolleyes


maybe we should all just create some paranormal sideways thread where we can all just reconnect and get along. and then walk off into the light together.

:lol Hell yeah!

These conversations will continue for a long time, that's how good this show was. :wakeup The bar has been raised. :tu

I have nothing to watch on Tuesday nights anymore. :(

[rjv]

I loved the ending and the idea of Hugo as the new Jacob and Ben as the #2.


now this is just me but did anyone else see this allegory? the island under aaron and his "mother" before him seemed to be very akin to old testament "law". then jack has this Christ-like sacrfice for the island and hands over the care of the land to hugo and ben, his disciples so to speak, and they now rule over the island with a more "new testament" style.

[rAm]

The actors that played Locke and Ben both won Emmys.

Hence why I said they were part of the exception. Sawyer/Kate/Hugo lol


LOL OK Mr. Deep Complex Guy. Who is on their high horse here? You never answered my questions above btw. I get their criticism of how the Island themes weren't fulfilled, but thats a long way from saying this was anything but a character driven drama with damn good acting.

I get it - you didn't like the ending. Thats fine, but doesn't change what the series was.

Manny I am sorry for attacking you yesterday, and you were right I am angry how the show ended. Not that I had any particular outcome that I wanted, but the fact that they danced around giving definite answers to close out the show and then shoved the notion that the whole show was about the characters not the mysteries down our throat leaves a bad taste in my mouth.


Even LOTR and Star Trek were ultimately about the relationships between the characters and less about the mysteries and fantasy of their respective worlds. I know that's not what Manny was even remotely getting at but just found that interesting.

This is true, as in every story worth telling, but LOTR didn't sacrifice what made LOTR great just to make the character's story have a "resolution" (if that's what you want to call LOST's ending).

[JudynTX]

now this is just me but did anyone else see this allegory? the island under aaron and his "mother" before him seemed to be very akin to old testament "law". then jack has this Christ-like sacrfice for the island and hands over the care of the land to hugo and ben, his disciples so to speak, and they now rule over the island with a more "new testament" style.

Read this.

http://designwoop.com/2010/05/lost-finale-explained-well/

:)

[rjv]

Read this.

http://designwoop.com/2010/05/lost-finale-explained-well/

:)

yeah i had already read this. it clarified some things that i had pretty much assumed but not the temple (and that is why i brought up the idea of a world living under a more "new testament" law) and also some inconsistencies, such as why michael gets assigned to purgatory for his sins but somehow sayid did not.

hey, forgive me, i have a degree in philosophy and spent 13 years in catholic schools. and now i work as a medical physicist! so no wonder LOST hit me on so many levels.

(i still think there was more need for characters' closure at the end. :ihit )

[Texas Chili Dog]

http://i.imgur.com/wtzBE.gif

[JudynTX]

http://i.imgur.com/wtzBE.gif

:lmao

Awwwww that scene! :(

[AFBlue]

http://i.imgur.com/wtzBE.gif

LOST: The Deleted Scenes

:lol

[lefty]

-HWECQa23Cs

[JoeChalupa]

I'll be checking it out on DVD and get back with my thoughts in a few months.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/clintsquint/shannon02.gif

[4>0rings]

http://i.imgur.com/wtzBE.gif
:lmao

[ElNono]

RqRbHYEUtzk

[JudynTX]

:toast :toast

http://jezebel.com/5606489/

[JudynTX]

Ok, who bought the boxed set today? :toast

[MannyIsGod]

That special feature was pretty good. Loved how they made fun of people wanting answers with the 2 darma guys.

[ChuckD]

Ok, who bought the boxed set today? :toast

I have 1-5 on blu-ray already, and the special feature can be had in just the season 6 box. :toast

[ChuckD]

That special feature was pretty good. Loved how they made fun of people wanting answers with the 2 darma guys.

One of the shows writers, can't remember which, said he was glad the short was coming out because he missed being yelled at on Twitter 24/7. :lol

[Blake]

http://i.imgur.com/wtzBE.gif

:rollin

[Kamala]

Cool packaging on the season 6 box. You see your reflection on each of the letters of lost sticking with the mirrors theme.

Also picked up the latest Dexter Season. So much good stuff at once!!!:downspin:

[Kamala]

:lmao

Is that deliciously gay picture of RJ real? Nawh:lol

[rjv]

oh yeah, LOST, i had forgotten all about this show. until now that is. i think i had intentionally blocked it from my memory.

[JudynTX]

oh yeah, LOST, i had forgotten all about this show. until now that is. i think i had intentionally blocked it from my memory.

It's not too late to start watching it again. :D

[rjv]

It's not too late to start watching it again. :D

i actually considered selling the 3 seasons i have but i heard that so many people have sold their sets that the going rate is less than 5.00 for an entire season.

guess it really was a 50/50 split on the way it all ended.

[EmptyMan]

The show jumped the shark when they went too far to the right on the sci-fi spectrum, but I still liked the ending.

[Death In June]

oh yeah, LOST, i had forgotten all about this show. until now that is. i think i had intentionally blocked it from my memory.I got that same feeling. I think it's because the final season soured me on the rest of the series. I don't think I could watch another episode. Loved season 1-3 though, right before it devolved into some nonsense jesus/yellow light shit that insulted you with it's stupidity.

[JudynTX]

:depressed

[Blake]

Tried watching it again on netflix.

didn't make it very far without getting pissed off at all the questions that still remain unanswered

[Reck]

Very compelling show.

I'm going to rewatch it again after I'm done with the X-files.

Up to season 3 thus far.

[MannyIsGod]

Got all the seasons on bluray and currently through disc 1 of season 3. S1 and S2 were damn good but S3 is kinda meh so far. Definitely weaker than the first two. Watching it after knowing the ending gives you a lot of perspective on how far out the writers thought ahead. I'm enjoying my 2nd viewing of the series quite a bit so far.

[TE]

:lol I was trying to look for a thread like this last week...

@MIG
Props...one would have to make A LOT of time to watch the entire series a second time...

[MannyIsGod]

I've been watching a lot at work (some of the tools I run take a long time to do their thing so I just pop Lost on my 2nd monitor). Plus with it being hot as balls right now and me being broke on the weekend it gives me more time.

Also, searching for threads I just go to google and type in "Spurstalk SUBJECT" and it usually comes up with what I want. Works better than the built in search function.