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Dro210

07-09-2010, 04:15 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lebrondecision070910

Easy come, easy go for King James

By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
59 minutes ago

What a spectacle, what a train wreck.

What a shame.

What a joke of an article... This needs a "U Mad?" poster.

Hell yea he chose a party and the time of his life, why shouldn't he. He's about to go down to South Beach and win pocket fulls of rings with his friends. His real friends. Not some lousy city and franchise, that obviously, was always ready to turn on you in an instant if you couldn't make them happy. LeBron is not a slave to Cleveland, he was a free agent, nobody in there right mind thought he was going back there. They led themselves on more than anybody else did. Just like all the ignorant New Yorkers that thought he was no doubt coming there, but everybody else knew there was no way. I love San Antonio and the Spurs, and if I was drafted to play for them, I would absolutely love it... but if we couldn't win, and I had an opportunity to go play with my friends, and almost guarantee wins. I'm out, 100 times out of 100.

He basically shit on the individual glory so many of these same people hate on players for chasing at the sake of winning... to win... and people are trying to crucify him for it. Rings>>>MVPs and opinion based GOAT titles... especially when you get to celebrate all that success with people that matter to you.

LeBron wins, haters lose.

He didn't destory anything. He's still the most marketable person in sports. He already had tons of haters, most talented successful people have a lot (funny how that works), they're just being loud right now. With the exception of Cleveland, he still has all of his fans, and just gained a whole shitload more in Florida. He'll win rings, and his fans will multiply. He and D-Wade will be making classic commercials together and everybody will be talking about how great those guys are. This shit is all getting blown wayyyy out of proportion. Lol sensational media, lol sheep, lol haters gettin mad.

The only mistake he made was not telling the other teams before the press confrence or whatever you call it took place. I understand why they didn't do it, they didn't want a mad exec. (hey dan gilbert), running to the media to leak the info before the show took place, cause that would have ruined it... but in the end, it would have been better to just tell them. The show still would have happened, it still would have raised all the money, just not as many people would have watched.

Spurs Brazil

07-09-2010, 05:03 PM

STEIN_LINE_HQ ESPN.com sources: Bulls to sign Korver to three-year deal worth estimated $15 million

DesignatedT

07-09-2010, 05:04 PM

STEIN_LINE_HQ ESPN.com sources: Bulls to sign Korver to three-year deal worth estimated $15 million

I personally thought Korver could get more than 3 years.

ploto

07-09-2010, 05:26 PM

STEIN_LINE_HQ ESPN.com sources: Bulls to sign Korver to three-year deal worth estimated $15 million

While Bonner gets 4 years and $17M or so...

benefactor

07-09-2010, 05:29 PM

While Bonner gets 4 years and $17M or so...
:lmao:shootme

ploto

07-09-2010, 05:31 PM

Cleveland GM confirmed that James' agent notified them before the announcement was made that he was not returning to the Cavs.

It is obviously disappointing that LeBron chose to go to another team,” Grant said. “As soon as we got the message at 9:01 (p.m.), as an organization we moved forward. He is no longer part of the organization and we are moving forward.

http://srcleveland.wordpress.com/2010/07/09/cavaliers-have-already-taken-next-step/

scottspurs

07-09-2010, 05:32 PM

STEIN_LINE_HQ ESPN.com sources: Bulls to sign Korver to three-year deal worth estimated $15 million

The bulls are going to be really good. There is definitely a power shift towards the East.

DPG21920

07-09-2010, 05:33 PM

I thought Korver was signing with the Nets. Also, McGuire to the Bobcats just means they have another defensive player.

silverblk mystix

07-09-2010, 05:35 PM

What a joke of an article... This needs a "U Mad?" poster.

Hell yea he chose a party and the time of his life, why shouldn't he. He's about to go down to South Beach and win pocket fulls of rings with his friends. His real friends. Not some lousy city and franchise, that obviously, was always ready to turn on you in an instant if you couldn't make them happy. LeBron is not a slave to Cleveland, he was a free agent, nobody in there right mind thought he was going back there. They led themselves on more than anybody else did. Just like all the ignorant New Yorkers that thought he was no doubt coming there, but everybody else knew there was no way. I love San Antonio and the Spurs, and if I was drafted to play for them, I would absolutely love it... but if we couldn't win, and I had an opportunity to go play with my friends, and almost guarantee wins. I'm out, 100 times out of 100.

He basically shit on the individual glory so many of these same people hate on players for chasing at the sake of winning... to win... and people are trying to crucify him for it. Rings>>>MVPs and opinion based GOAT titles... especially when you get to celebrate all that success with people that matter to you.

LeBron wins, haters lose.

He didn't destory anything. He's still the most marketable person in sports. He already had tons of haters, most talented successful people have a lot (funny how that works), they're just being loud right now. With the exception of Cleveland, he still has all of his fans, and just gained a whole shitload more in Florida. He'll win rings, and his fans will multiply. He and D-Wade will be making classic commercials together and everybody will be talking about how great those guys are. This shit is all getting blown wayyyy out of proportion. Lol sensational media, lol sheep, lol haters gettin mad.

The only mistake he made was not telling the other teams before the press confrence or whatever you call it took place. I understand why they didn't do it, they didn't want a mad exec. (hey dan gilbert), running to the media to leak the info before the show took place, cause that would have ruined it... but in the end, it would have been better to just tell them. The show still would have happened, it still would have raised all the money, just not as many people would have watched.

This.

Fuck Wojo...did he have some personal stake in this or what?

The owners just don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot do they?

Remember...owners....the NBA is a business , right? :lol

TD 21

07-09-2010, 06:29 PM

Wojnarowski might have nailed the whole James fiasco, but I agree with Dro210, he needs to give it a rest. He's been relentlessly ripping into James for months, yet this is the same guy who constantly slurps Bryant, as if he's any better a person. They're both arrogant pukes in their own way. One shouldn't be praised and the other ridiculed, but both ridiculed.

ducks

07-09-2010, 06:36 PM

SpearsNBAYahoo

Knicks close to signing pg Raymond Felton to multi-year deal, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

now the dominoes are starting to fall

No to now

ace3g

07-09-2010, 07:12 PM

David Aldridge daldridgetnt

Mavs, Wolves continue Al Jefferson trade talk. Story up soon on NBA.com.

Brazil

07-09-2010, 09:44 PM

didn't see posted Foye and Gomes to the Clippers

Cant_Be_Faded

07-09-2010, 09:47 PM

Mavs are going to get one of the most up and coming power forwards in the game.

And we resign fucking matt bonner

slick'81

07-09-2010, 09:49 PM

Mavs are going to get one of the most up and coming power forwards in the game.

And we resign fucking matt bonner

and theyll probably get it for damps horrid contract but rj opted out and we just resign him to more years :bang

DesignatedT

07-09-2010, 09:50 PM

Al jefferson is overrated and overpaid. let them take that bum. Id rather have splitter for the MLE then jefferson for 14/yr

DPG21920

07-09-2010, 09:52 PM

Spurs: No Thanks

http://symonsez.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/get_out_of_jail_free_card.jpg

SpursTillTheEnd

07-09-2010, 09:56 PM

didn't richard jefferson outplay al jefferson this season when we played the wolves

ace3g

07-09-2010, 10:02 PM

WojYahooNBA

GState's Anthony Morrow has agreed to a 3-year offer sheet worth approximately $12 million with New Jersey, a league source tells Y!

http://tinyurl.com/2d4bx8m

surprised the Warriors won't match that offer

Dro210

07-09-2010, 10:16 PM

WojYahooNBA

GState's Anthony Morrow has agreed to a 3-year offer sheet worth approximately $12 million with New Jersey, a league source tells Y!

Wow.... I understand why we were able to pay Bonner and not cut into any Splitter money, but it's unbelievable that Bonner just got paid more than Morrow based on his 3pt shooting. Morrow is probably the best shooter in the league, and is a lot more capable of doing the other things that make you an NBA player.... on top of all that, he has upside, of which Bonner has zero.

I would kill to switch Morrow for Bonner.

Creation88

07-09-2010, 10:18 PM

another FO failure. fuck i need a drink.

DesignatedT

07-09-2010, 10:19 PM

Wow.... I understand why we were able to pay Bonner and not cut into any Splitter money, but it's unbelievable that Bonner just got paid more than Morrow based on his 3pt shooting. Morrow is probably the best shooter in the league, and is a lot more capable of doing the other things that make you an NBA player.... on top of all that, he has upside, of which Bonner has zero.

Whyyyyy???

well the final #s aren't even out yet, so we don't know what the contract is but it definitely shouldnt be any more than what morrow is making.

Spurs Brazil

07-09-2010, 10:25 PM

Source: Fisher, Riley to meet in Miami
Email Print Comments By Ramona Shelburne
ESPNLosAngeles.com
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Lakers free agent point guard Derek Fisher has a meeting scheduled with Miami Heat president Pat Riley on Saturday, according to a source close to the situation.

Fisher

Fisher's preference remains to re-sign with the Lakers, but he feels the need to explore his options and listen to Riley's pitch after the Heat landed free agents LeBron James and Chris Bosh. Miami also re-signed Dwyane Wade and were rumored to be closing in on Mike Miller.

According to a source, negotiations between Fisher and the Lakers have remained positive and the team has put an offer on the table that was stronger than what's been previously reported (one year, $2.5 million). Fisher returned from a trip to China on Wednesday, but he's had several conversations with both Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak and Riley.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5368129

benefactor

07-09-2010, 10:27 PM

Laker fan would explode if that happened.

Blackjack

07-09-2010, 10:28 PM

So I guess Derek Fisher's daughter's all better now, right?

ElNono

07-09-2010, 10:28 PM

So I guess Derek Fisher's daughter's all better now, right?

As somebody said in the NBA Forum... they just have better hospitals in Miami now...

DesignatedT

07-09-2010, 10:37 PM

As somebody said in the NBA Forum... they just have better hospitals in Miami now...

:lol

TJastal

07-09-2010, 10:37 PM

As somebody said in the NBA Forum... they just have better hospitals in Miami now...

:lol

Blackjack

07-09-2010, 10:38 PM

As somebody said in the NBA Forum... they just have better hospitals in Miami now...

I'm sure he's just there to check out the hospitals. Probably nothing more than due diligence -- he didn't have a lot of time to look for hospitals between Utah and LA ... it was an urgent situation.

ace3g

07-09-2010, 10:49 PM

chadfordinsider

Breaking: Bulls sign J.J. Redick to a 3 year, $20M offer sheet according to sources. Link coming ...

Spurs Brazil

07-09-2010, 10:53 PM

chadfordinsider Breaking: Contract details of LeBron, Wade & Bosh LeBron & Bosh sign 6 year, $110M dollar deals. Wade signs 6 year, $107M dollar deal.

loveforthegame

07-09-2010, 10:54 PM

GS is stupid if they don't match the offer for Morrow.

Bulls snagging a couple shooters in Korver and Redick. Nice moves.

DesignatedT

07-09-2010, 10:55 PM

wow wade is badass. hes the one that takes the paycut

slick'81

07-09-2010, 10:56 PM

so the heat might add haslem and fisher damn

DesignatedT

07-09-2010, 10:58 PM

is reddick restricted? or ufa? if hes restricted I definitely see Orlando matching the offer

mikeb2016

07-09-2010, 11:02 PM

Does that 6th year mean that the Cavs are doing a S&T for BronBron?

Mugen

07-09-2010, 11:03 PM

Does that 6th year mean that the Cavs are doing a S&T for BronBron?

haha yea, all that bitchin and they still do a sign and trade.

ElNono

07-09-2010, 11:05 PM

haha yea, all that bitchin and they still do a sign and trade.

At least they get something back for him... probably picks/cash

will_spurs

07-10-2010, 04:09 AM

is reddick restricted? or ufa? if hes restricted I definitely see Orlando matching the offer

He is restriced, Orlando has 7 days to match the offer, as usual.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5368470

In other news, Felton to Knicks is apparently done, according to ESPN, even if the details aren't clear. That may take some pressure off the Parker trade scenarios.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5367965

ploto

07-10-2010, 08:35 AM

LeBron James and Chris Bosh signed matching six-year, $110.1 million contracts, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.

Dwyane Wade signed for six years and $107.5 million, according to the sources.

Sources told ESPN.com's Chad Ford that James and Bosh are scheduled to make $14.5 million and Wade $14 million in 2010-11.

Each player took $15 million less over the life of the contract to sign with Miami, but they have an opt out after the fourth year to all potentially become free agents in 2014.

The Heat sent two future first-round and two second-round picks to the Cavaliers for James, while packaging two first-round picks to the Raptors for Bosh.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68038/20100710/lbj_bosh_wade_take_less_money_hold_eto_for_2014/#ixzz0tHnRKL89

So the Big 3 plus Chalmers = $43.8M and the cap is @ $58M.

benefactor

07-10-2010, 08:40 AM

So they still have 14 million in cap room?

:wow

Muser

07-10-2010, 08:50 AM

Still 14 mil? Ooooohh shit.

Spurs Brazil

07-10-2010, 08:52 AM

Still 14 mil? Ooooohh shit.

Probably $5 mil will go to M.Miller. And if they want Fisher they'll probably have to spend $ 3 million more

Bruno

07-10-2010, 08:52 AM

Heat salary cap situation:

James: $14.5M
Bosh: $14.5M
Wade: $14M
James Jones (waived): $1.54M
Chalmers: $0.85M
Joel Anthony (Qualifying offer): $1.06M
7 slots of cap holds: $3.32M

Heat still have $8.3M of cap space and could get an additional $0.6M if they rescinded the QO to Anthony.

Spurs Brazil

07-10-2010, 08:55 AM

Bruno

07-10-2010, 11:12 AM

Johan Petro: $10M/3 years from Nets. :wow

Bonner's contract could be a bargain after all...

DesignatedT

07-10-2010, 11:13 AM

Lol nets.

ElNono

07-10-2010, 11:31 AM

Johan Petro: $10M/3 years from Nets. :wow
Bonner's contract could be a bargain after all...

Crazy... but I would take Petro over Bonner any day of the week and twice on Sundays

DPG21920

07-10-2010, 11:37 AM

Plus, no one would offer Bonner that money more than likely. Spurs should have told Matt to go get an offer and bring it back.

DPG21920

07-10-2010, 11:38 AM

I feel bad for the Nets. They came up craps big time.

ElNono

07-10-2010, 11:40 AM

I feel bad for the Nets. They came up craps big time.

Can't say I didn't see it coming... right now they're a lame-duck team with a new owner, that's supposed to move somewhere else in the next couple of years... too many unknowns at this point.

Bruno

07-10-2010, 11:42 AM

Crazy... but I would take Petro over Bonner any day of the week and twice on Sundays

Not me. Petro is a bum.

I hate the Bonner signing but if it's something like $15M/4 years, Spurs coudl have paid him his market value. Petro got 10/3, Warrick 18/4, Frye 5/30, Gooden 5/32 and Amir Johnson 5/35. We will see what will exactly be Bonner's deal but it could be not worse than most of this summer deals.

ace3g

07-10-2010, 11:43 AM

STEIN_LINE_HQ

Luther Head going to New Orleans, agent Mark Bartelstein says. Head to receive two-year, $2.3 million deal with player option for Year 2

EricB

07-10-2010, 11:46 AM

Johan petro got 10 million for 3 years??!!? Seriously?

timvp

07-10-2010, 11:48 AM

Bonner > Petro. Mahinmi > Petro. Finley > Petro. HTF did he get $10 million?

Seriously, Mahinmi's agent better get him at least $5 million in this market.

ElNono

07-10-2010, 11:56 AM

Not me. Petro is a bum.

I hate the Bonner signing but if it's something like $15M/4 years, Spurs coudl have paid him his market value. Petro got 10/3, Warrick 18/4, Frye 5/30, Gooden 5/32 and Amir Johnson 5/35. We will see what will exactly be Bonner's deal but it could be not worse than most of this summer deals.

Amir and Gooden were overpaid big time, IMO. But they're all also on the good side of 30, unlike Bonner. Except with Gooden, at 29 y/o, they're not one trick ponies and there's upside to them. You know what you're getting with Matty.

And yeah, Petro has been a bum, but he's a legit 7 foot body you can toss in the paint, and at 24 y/o his better years should be in front of him (if he ever tries hard enough).

ElNono

07-10-2010, 11:58 AM

Seriously, Mahinmi's agent better get him at least $5 million in this market.

Have you heard anything about Ian?

will_spurs

07-10-2010, 12:00 PM

Johan petro got 10 million for 3 years??!!? Seriously?

Almost brings back memories of Jerome James. I guess if you're a 7-footer who's ever played for the Sonics then your value increases by at least $5m over market...

Petro is lazy in ways that would make Diaw look like an ADD-stricken hyperactive guy.

I hope Mahinmi gets good money after that, or his agent is officially one of the worst out there.

clubalien

07-10-2010, 12:04 PM

Bonner > Petro. Mahinmi > Petro. Finley > Petro. HTF did he get $10 million?

Seriously, Mahinmi's agent better get him at least $5 million in this market.

i think the bonner signing means the end of ian on the spurs.

I really cannot see the spurs giving him a 5m/yr contract

Shastafarian

07-10-2010, 12:07 PM

STEIN_LINE_HQ

Luther Head going to New Orleans, agent Mark Bartelstein says. Head to receive two-year, $2.3 million deal with player option for Year 2

Saw that and was tempted to start a "Better Shooter Than Mason Gets Crappy Deal in NOLA"

DesignatedT

07-10-2010, 12:08 PM

I want to see what kind of deal Mason gets after that pathetic season. 2 years/4 mil is all id be willing to spend on that pos

MannyIsGod

07-10-2010, 12:10 PM

Plus, no one would offer Bonner that money more than likely. Spurs should have told Matt to go get an offer and bring it back.

Statement pulled completely out of your ass. In the market we're in its pretty safe to say we have no idea who's getting offered what and where. I think there has to be at least a solid chance Bonner got offers elsewhere.

ElNono

07-10-2010, 12:14 PM

Statement pulled completely out of your ass. In the market we're in its pretty safe to say we have no idea who's getting offered what and where. I think there has to be at least a solid chance Bonner got offers elsewhere.

Supposedly Chicago and Dallas were interested. That said, I don't know they had the opportunity to run any kind of numbers there.

DPG21920

07-10-2010, 12:15 PM

Statement pulled completely out of your ass. In the market we're in its pretty safe to say we have no idea who's getting offered what and where. I think there has to be at least a solid chance Bonner got offers elsewhere.

Yeah, it's pulled completely out of my ass. Because Bonner is so young and has proven so much in the playoffs there would be a market for him.

Hence why I said "more than likely". That logic is just as sound as your "in this market" logic. Which is why I said they should have let Bonner get an offer. Just because there are some bad contracts given out does not mean Bonner gets one.

Even RJ is stuck right now.

MannyIsGod

07-10-2010, 12:16 PM

DesignatedT

07-10-2010, 12:18 PM

Bonner could have easily gotten 3 mil/yr somewhere else. Dallas, Denver, Chicago were some that were rumored to be interested.

MannyIsGod

07-10-2010, 12:18 PM

Yeah, it's pulled completely out of my ass. Because Bonner is so young and has proven so much in the playoffs there would be a market for him.

Which is why I said they should have let Bonner get an offer. Just because there are some bad contracts given out does not mean Bonner gets one.

Even RJ is stuck right now.

RJ isn't isn't a big man. You can say let Bonner get an offer but you don't know if he did or didn't. You're just completely making things up.

Unless you got a source like Eric B, then I'm not sure how you know if he did or didn't get an offer. (And if you do have a source like Tpark and he's telling you that he didn't get an offer then Bonner probably got lots of them)

DPG21920

07-10-2010, 12:18 PM

Channing Frye got pretty much the whole MLE. Just remember that. Channing Frye.

I think its safe that say that nearly every big man contract outside of Bosh this off season has been a surprise. I think its very likely a guy like Bonner got offers in the range the Spurs signed him for.

This doesn't make me happy about the signing, but when you look at the context of the entire NBA it probably shouldn't have shocked us as much as it did.

Channing Frye actually hit playoff shots and helped his team beat the Spurs.

Even if it is very likely Bonner gets an offer in the range the Spurs offered him, then they should have taken that chance and let him get another offer before they signed him if the numbers are true.

I don't see it as likely at all that Bonner gets an offer any bigger than the Spurs. There is not a large market for him.

Kindergarten Cop

07-10-2010, 12:19 PM

Supposedly Chicago and Dallas were interested. That said, I don't know they had the opportunity to run any kind of numbers there.

Denver and New York were also reportedly showing interest.

DPG21920

07-10-2010, 12:19 PM

RJ isn't isn't a big man. You can say let Bonner get an offer but you don't know if he did or didn't. You're just completely making things up.

Unless you got a source like Eric B, then I'm not sure how you know if he did or didn't get an offer. (And if you do have a source like Tpark and he's telling you that he didn't get an offer then Bonner probably got lots of them)

:lol The semantics game. I am just stating logical opinion, just like your "in this market" theory.

MannyIsGod

07-10-2010, 12:19 PM

Also, everyone has freaked out about the length but given the Spurs history I think its fairly likely some of those last years are either not fully guaranteed or team options.

ElNono

07-10-2010, 12:20 PM

Anybody heard anything about Mason and Bogans? Like an offer or something?

Kindergarten Cop

07-10-2010, 12:22 PM

Anybody heard anything about Mason and Bogans? Like an offer or something?

I'm betting on RMJ ending up in Miami for the minimum.

ElNono

07-10-2010, 12:23 PM

Also, everyone has freaked out about the length but given the Spurs history I think its fairly likely some of those last years are either not fully guaranteed or team options.

Even if only his two first seasons are guaranteed, I have a problem in that he'll be taking minutes from other guys that have much more upside and can use the minutes to develop. If we paid market-value or not is truly irrelevant for me, other than the comedy factor.

MannyIsGod

07-10-2010, 12:24 PM

Channing Frye actually hit playoff shots and helped his team beat the Spurs.

Even if it is very likely Bonner gets an offer in the range the Spurs offered him, then they should have taken that chance and let him get another offer before they signed him if the numbers are true.

I don't see it as likely at all that Bonner gets an offer any bigger than the Spurs. There is not a large market for him.

Bonner shot better from 3 point land than Frye did but he also got a much smaller contract. You have to admit that Frye and Bonner are very similar players so Matt Bonner at half that seems about market value.

In any event, I'm not disagreeing with you that the contract and maybe it would have been better just to let him go at that price but I don't see how you can say its not market value considering everything I've pointed out.

underdawg

07-10-2010, 12:24 PM

Channing Frye got pretty much the whole MLE. Just remember that. Channing Frye.

I think its safe that say that nearly every big man contract outside of Bosh this off season has been a surprise. I think its very likely a guy like Bonner got offers in the range the Spurs signed him for.

This doesn't make me happy about the signing, but when you look at the context of the entire NBA it probably shouldn't have shocked us as much as it did.

Frye shot 44% against the Spurs and wasn't that bad against the Lakers - 3 good games and 3 bad games. He's 6'11'' and plays a decent defense - not gettting why that's such a bad deal

MannyIsGod

07-10-2010, 12:25 PM

:lol The semantics game. I am just stating logical opinion, just like your "in this market" theory.

How is it logical to believe that Matt Bonner didn't get offers other than the fact that you don't like him?

ElNono

07-10-2010, 12:26 PM

Frye also grabs nearly double the rebounds than Matty does. Plus Frye was cashing in on a relatively successful post-season. That stuff happens all the time.

MannyIsGod

07-10-2010, 12:28 PM

Frye shot 44% against the Spurs and wasn't that bad against the Lakers - 3 good games and 3 bad games. He's 6'11'' and plays a decent defense - not gettting why that's such a bad deal

Channing Frye shot .349 from 3 point land and .36% overall in the playoffs. Bonner shot .370 from 3 and .43% overall. Frye is a better rebounder and is younger but otherwise they're very similar players (their defense is about equal).

I'd much rather have Bonner at his reported deal over Frye's deal. Not sure I really want either, but yeah.

ElNono

07-10-2010, 12:29 PM

Not sure I really want either.

ditto.

MannyIsGod

07-10-2010, 12:30 PM

Even if only his two first seasons are guaranteed, I have a problem in that he'll be taking minutes from other guys that have much more upside and can use the minutes to develop. If we paid market-value or not is truly irrelevant for me, other than the comedy factor.

I don't disagree with you. All indications point to him getting more minutes so unless they flip Blair or Antonio in a trade then he will likely get more minutes than he should.

underdawg

07-10-2010, 12:32 PM

Channing Frye shot .349 from 3 point land and .36% overall in the playoffs. Bonner shot .370 from 3 and .43% overall. Frye is a better rebounder and is younger but otherwise they're very similar players (their defense is about equal).

I'd much rather have Bonner at his reported deal over Frye's deal. Not sure I really want either, but yeah.

34.9 for the playoffs, but 44% against the Spurs and winning that series (especially a sweep) was huge for that franchise.

Frye averaged a block a game in the playoffs and we now that boner can't block shots with his T-Rex wingspan. There's got to be much more value for a big man that can actually play big. Frye's defense was much better than boner's - come on now.

MannyIsGod

07-10-2010, 12:35 PM

Marcus Bryant

07-10-2010, 12:42 PM

DPG21920

07-10-2010, 12:52 PM

How is it logical to believe that Matt Bonner didn't get offers other than the fact that you don't like him?

I am not disagreeing this is probably market value for Bonner. I am saying that we have heard nothing about Bonner getting an offer. Also, based on what was reported and Matt's quotes, it seems like the Spurs were the only team in talks with Bonner.

Now, obviously that could be off, but I am going by what I have seen/heard.

DPG21920

07-10-2010, 12:53 PM

If you go off of the Spurs series then Frye deserves that contract but if you factor in the other 95% of the season and playoffs he doesn't.

He at least did something in the playoffs. He came up big in a series the Suns were dying to win. That counts for way more in my book.

Bonner has done absolutely nothing in any playoff series ever. Especially in a big series.

DPG21920

07-10-2010, 12:55 PM

It's a player's market this offseason.

While, yes, I'd prefer the Spurs actually retain, let's say, a Ian Mahinmi, and play him, Bonner does offer the ability to provide some spacing for Duncan in the paint with his outside shot (or theoretical threat thereof). I'd rather Mahinmi because I believe that he will prove to be a much better NBA talent than Bonner, and you don't piss away athletic bigman talent.

Assuming the other members of the Spurs' frontcourt are Duncan, Splitter, McDyess, and Blair, retaining Bonner isn't that big of a deal.

If this deal reported for Bonner is correct, why would you pay your 5th best big 4 million per year or close to that? Especially when he has 0 upside and is a playoff choker.

There is seemingly a few guys who can give you what Bonner gives you (in theory) for a lot cheaper, like Tolliver.

clubalien

07-10-2010, 01:06 PM

It's a player's market this offseason.

and yet rj has no offers

i wonder if it is becuase he is openly gay.

according to the ken burns documentary baseball there was once a ban on negros playing baseball. I doubt there is in the nba, but sure would cause your interest to be lower i would assume.

Kindergarten Cop

07-10-2010, 01:42 PM

34.9 for the playoffs, but 44% against the Spurs and winning that series (especially a sweep) was huge for that franchise.

Frye averaged a block a game in the playoffs and we now that boner can't block shots with his T-Rex wingspan. There's got to be much more value for a big man that can actually play big. Frye's defense was much better than boner's - come on now.

You're now fluffing Frye's stats in an attempt to make a point. Realistically, he averaged significantly less than block a game in the Playoffs. He had 9 total blocks in 16 games which is around a block every other game. That is around Frye's average over his career as well. Bonner's isn't that far behind him at .4 BPG. And for the poster who said that he rebounds twice as much as Bonner - I'm curious where those stats came from. Bonner is a career 3.5 RPG player while Frye averages 4.7 RPG. In the Playoffs this year, Frye averaged 5.6 to Bonner's 3.2, but he did so in 10 more minutes of play each game. I'm not defending the Bonner supposed signing (although I'm not as put off by it as many others), but I'm not buying into the posters stating Frye is that much of a better player (defensively OR offensively).

EricB

07-10-2010, 01:46 PM

I'm wondering how new jersey justifies petro for that much and not just going and dumping a crap load of money on scola's lap...

EricB

07-10-2010, 01:48 PM

and yet rj has no offers

i wonder if it is becuase he is openly gay.

according to the ken burns documentary baseball there was once a ban on negros playing baseball. I doubt there is in the nba, but sure would cause your interest to be lower i would assume.

He has no offers because he resigned.

Seventyniner

07-10-2010, 01:53 PM

Bonner has done absolutely nothing in any playoff series ever. Especially in a big series.

Neither has Chris Bosh, and look at the deal he got!

Spurs Brazil

07-10-2010, 01:54 PM

Ira Winderman: Also, do not rule out a return by James Jones. Those wheels already have been set in motion. Minimum roster not looking so minimal.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html#ixzz0tJ6aKWVf

Spurs Brazil

07-10-2010, 01:55 PM

Mike Tokito: Ime Udoka's name coming up in Miami discussions as a vet Heat could get for minimum salary. 40 minutes ago.

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter_media.html#ixzz0tJ6ua2er

will_spurs

07-10-2010, 02:03 PM

If I'm Tony Parker or Carmelo Anthony right now, I'm talking to my agent why I didn't have an opt-out clause for this summer. The money they could be making right now...

DesignatedT

07-10-2010, 02:03 PM

:lol ime.

Bruno

07-10-2010, 02:23 PM

http://cache0.bigcartel.com/product_images/25546133/HEadSouth.jpg

:lol

ace3g

07-10-2010, 02:57 PM

espn

Los Angeles Lakers free agent Derek Fisher met LeBron James at Miami airport - http://es.pn/ah3uA5

ace3g

07-10-2010, 02:57 PM

WojYahooNBA

RT @SpearsNBAYahoo: Blazers vet big man Juwan Howard could be signing with Heat, league source tells Y! Sports. http://yhoo.it/bx98FN

MannyIsGod

07-10-2010, 02:59 PM

http://cache0.bigcartel.com/product_images/25546133/headsouth.jpg

:lol

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

DesignatedT

07-10-2010, 03:00 PM

:lol fisher

DesignatedT

07-10-2010, 03:00 PM

http://cache0.bigcartel.com/product_images/25546133/HEadSouth.jpg

:lol

:lmao

ducks

07-10-2010, 03:03 PM

I take frye over booner

DesignatedT

07-10-2010, 03:04 PM

I take frye over booner

who wouldn't?

angelbelow

07-10-2010, 03:13 PM

This was what I was afraid of.. they may only have the minimum but there are some decent talents out there that would probably take a paycut and accept that minimum contract..

ace3g

07-10-2010, 03:55 PM

STEIN_LINE_HQ

GSW close to signing of Dorell Wright to three-year deal. Wright is true SF so Dubs feel he's priority over matching Morrow offer from NJN

benefactor

07-10-2010, 03:56 PM

Well there goes that idea.

Kindergarten Cop

07-10-2010, 04:14 PM

I take frye over booner

who wouldn't?

For equal money, I would too. But if you're asking me to choose between:

Frye at 5 yr/$30M

or

Bonner 4 yr/$14M

I'm definitely going with Bonner. There is just not that big of a difference IMHO in the two players.

HarlemHeat37

07-10-2010, 04:15 PM

Wright had no chance of coming here, his character issues are too much for the Spurs IMO..I would have liked him, but it was unlikely..

Dro210

07-10-2010, 04:24 PM

If that's my choice, I'm going with neither... Neither guy is worth close to that amount of money, and I wouldn't even consider paying either one of 'em. I'd pay Matt Bonner to stay away from my team personally, but at least Frye is worthy of playing in the NBA. Frye is easily worth twice as much as Bonner, just not worth $30mil.... He shoulda got Bonner's deal, and Bonner should be forced into early retirement.

Kindergarten Cop

07-10-2010, 04:27 PM

Frye is easily worth twice as much as Bonner, just not worth $30mil.

How do you figure?

ace3g

07-10-2010, 04:28 PM

WojYahooNBA

RT @SpearsNBAYahoo: Swingman Dorrell Wright to sign a three-year, $11 million guaranteed deal with Warriors, league source tells Yahoo.

ace3g

07-10-2010, 04:29 PM

so now the contracts for SG/SF is starting to be around 3.2 - 3.3M per year

timvp

07-10-2010, 04:29 PM

I guess Wright for the LLE was indeed a pipe dream.

DesignatedT

07-10-2010, 04:29 PM

For equal money, I would too. But if you're asking me to choose between:

Frye at 5 yr/$30M

or

Bonner 4 yr/$14M

I'm definitely going with Bonner. There is just not that big of a difference IMHO in the two players.

agreed. 30 mil for frye is outrageous

benefactor

07-10-2010, 04:33 PM

so now the contracts for SG/SF is starting to be around 3.2 - 3.3M per year
Yup. Unless the Spurs can convince someone to take less it's looking more and more like the Centerpiece will be returning.

peacemaker885

07-10-2010, 04:35 PM

Wild idea, can Bonner play the 3?

benefactor

07-10-2010, 04:37 PM

PF's are already blowing past him...do you really want to watch SF's dribble around him Harlem Globetrotter-style before going in for a layup?

peacemaker885

07-10-2010, 04:39 PM

PF's are already blowing past him...do you really want to watch SF's dribble around him Harlem Globetrotter-style before going in for a layup?

Haha your probably right.

Spurs Brazil

07-10-2010, 04:44 PM

RT @SpearsNBAYahoo: Swingman Dorrell Wright to sign a three-year, $11 million guaranteed deal with Warriors, league source tells Yahoo.

MannyIsGod

07-10-2010, 04:54 PM

If you can't get Dorrel Wright with the LLE then damn.

MannyIsGod

07-10-2010, 04:56 PM

I guess Wright for the LLE was indeed a pipe dream.

Which is why bringing back RJ is probably going to happen.

angelbelow

07-10-2010, 04:56 PM

shittttttt... maybe jones for the LLE?

Dro210

07-10-2010, 05:02 PM

How do you figure?

I've watched Matt Bonner play basketball for the last 4+ years... I'm worth twice as much as he is.

Kindergarten Cop

07-10-2010, 05:19 PM

I've watched Matt Bonner play basketball for the last 4+ years... I'm worth twice as much as he is.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but if you are simply making statements based on your hatred for a certain player instead of using actual facts or statistics I think it is unfair. Every team has an "unpopular" player who's fan base enjoys making a scapegoat and Bonner is ours. Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that Bonner is a great player or even a great role player - but I'm just saying that I don't feel that Frye is any better and I'm wondering if maybe Frye is (or will quickly become) Phoenix's "unpopular" scapegoat. :toast

angelbelow

07-10-2010, 05:21 PM

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but if you are simply making statements based on your hatred for a certain player instead of using actual facts or statistics I think it is unfair. Every team has an "unpopular" player who's fan base enjoys making a scapegoat and Bonner is ours. Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that Bonner is a great player or even a great role player - but I'm just saying that I don't feel that Frye is any better and I'm wondering if maybe Frye is (or will quickly become) Phoenix's "unpopular" scapegoat. :toast

Frye is pretty horrible too. He has 2-3inches on bonner but hes pretty soft as well. All in all I wouldnt want either player on the spurs.

Cane

07-10-2010, 05:22 PM

Wild idea, can Bonner play the 3?

There's only one team that I like Bonner defending the 3 and thats against the Lakers. Matt Bonner was our best match-up against Ron Artest who otherwise bullies the other Spurs players around the paint and uses his strength/size to get easy points and boards. When Bonner was put on him, the Red Rocket's size nullified Artest's strengths and he's not fast enough to exploit Bonner. Artest also doesn't get whistles in his favor so Bonner can play his usual defense without too much hassle.

But that was the only notable SF that I saw Bonner defend against well.

Obstructed_View

07-10-2010, 05:31 PM

Bonner would be a great three to have for a big lineup if the 4 and 5 could actually block shots and patrol the lane. Unfortunately the Spurs haven't had that since Rasho left. At this point, Bonner is on the floor as much for his height as for his three point shooting, which is why he gets more work defending great bigs in the post than he should.

angelbelow

07-10-2010, 05:39 PM

There's only one team that I like Bonner defending the 3 and thats against the Lakers. Matt Bonner was our best match-up against Ron Artest who otherwise bullies the other Spurs players around the paint and uses his strength/size to get easy points and boards. When Bonner was put on him, the Red Rocket's size nullified Artest's strengths and he's not fast enough to exploit Bonner. Artest also doesn't get whistles in his favor so Bonner can play his usual defense without too much hassle.

But that was the only notable SF that I saw Bonner defend against well.

If Artest decides to drive it everytime it could be a slaughter feast. Besides, Phil is not stupid, he can just put in Odom and gameover.

ElNono

07-10-2010, 05:57 PM

Weird RJ couldn't find a better contract out there...

silverblk mystix

07-10-2010, 06:25 PM

There's only one team that I like Bonner defending the 3 and thats against the Lakers. Matt Bonner was our best match-up against Ron Artest who otherwise bullies the other Spurs players around the paint and uses his strength/size to get easy points and boards. When Bonner was put on him, the Red Rocket's size nullified Artest's strengths and he's not fast enough to exploit Bonner. Artest also doesn't get whistles in his favor so Bonner can play his usual defense without too much hassle.

But that was the only notable SF that I saw Bonner defend against well.

I also noticed this when I re-watched that last spur/laker game a few days ago...
also noticed that when PJ put odumb in---RJ pretty much had his way with odumb and those two match-ups actually were big in the spurs winning that game convincingly.

It is too bad that phoenix was a nightmare match-up because the spurs/lakers series would have been really competitive.

Mel_13

07-10-2010, 06:46 PM

Free agent swingman Wesley Matthews has signed a five-year, $34 million offer sheet with the Blazers, according to his agent.

The deal is frontloaded (a whopping $9.2 million next year) but not necessarily "toxic," and the Jazz have a week to match the offer. Matthews is a pesky defender and his offensive game is still growing -- he has 3-point range and averaged 13.2 points in the playoffs last season.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/38184816/ns/sports-player_news/

DPG21920

07-10-2010, 06:47 PM

Wow.

DesignatedT

07-10-2010, 06:48 PM

Big pay day for Matthews. I wonder if Utah will match.

Blackjack

07-10-2010, 06:49 PM

ohmwrecker

07-10-2010, 06:55 PM

So, are we just waiting until the only option is Bogans?

montgod

07-10-2010, 06:57 PM

So, are we just waiting until the only option is Bogans?

Looks that way.

James Jones
Raja Bell

Seem to be all that's left.

dbestpro

07-10-2010, 06:58 PM

Little birdie said Ian might be going to Cleveland. No link, no source, just a little birdie outside my window.

Mel_13

07-10-2010, 06:58 PM

:wow

Sometimes it pays to not get drafted.

From undrafted to getting paid more than the number 1 overall pick.

dbestpro

07-10-2010, 07:00 PM

From undrafted to getting paid more than the number 1 overall pick.

This shows that they're out there. You just gotta find em.

timvp

07-10-2010, 07:09 PM

I don't really understand the fit of Matthews on Portland. They have Roy, Batum, Fernandez, Bayless, Babbitt and Elli0t who can all play a wing position. Now they want to add Matthews? Um, okay ... I guess it wasn't just Pritchard who had no regard for how a team fits together.

But I'm happy for Matthews. Great story.

P.S.

So much for Splitter and Matthews splitting the MLE :lol

P.P.S.

Not laughing at anyone in particular ... I wouldn't have thought splitting the MLE that way was impossible prior to the crazy contracts handed out once free agency began.

ace3g

07-10-2010, 07:26 PM

we still aren't sure how much Splitter's contract is for, there is still hope, slim but still hope

toki9

07-10-2010, 07:40 PM

How much is LLE this year?

Spurs Brazil

07-10-2010, 07:58 PM

Spurs Brazil

07-10-2010, 07:59 PM

STEIN_LINE_HQ RT @wallacesports: Cavs free-agent C Zydrunas Ilgauskas tells Miami Herald he's "looking into option" of joining buddy LeBron in Miami

Spurs Brazil

07-10-2010, 08:03 PM

Sources say the #Cavs are considering make an offer to Atlanta Hawks restricted free agent forward Josh Childress.
about 4 hours ago via web
PDcavsinsider

AFBlue

07-10-2010, 08:07 PM

ducks

07-10-2010, 08:12 PM

ducks

07-10-2010, 08:12 PM

here is a question
hill for rudy

both make little money

objective

07-10-2010, 08:18 PM

Little birdie said Ian might be going to Cleveland. No link, no source, just a little birdie outside my window.

Good for Ian.

That's a situation where he can probably get minutes, no Shaq, no Ilgauskas. Hickson and Varajao and old busted Jamison.

Ian will have better years than Bonner.

AFBlue

07-10-2010, 08:18 PM

here is a question
hill for rudy

both make little money

No. Hill has the ability to play the point, is more athletic and has higher potential.

If the Spurs go after Rudy it should be with a low offer, like non-guaranteed contracts and a pick in return.

Stump

07-10-2010, 08:49 PM

STEIN_LINE_HQ RT @wallacesports: Cavs free-agent C Zydrunas Ilgauskas tells Miami Herald he's "looking into option" of joining buddy LeBron in Miami
I really hope this isn't true. Ilgauskas is one of those few guys who has spent his whole NBA career with one team. I'd hate to see a guy who will get his jersey retired in Cleveland tarnish his reputation with the fans by trying to ride James' coattails in Miami.

Cane

07-10-2010, 08:55 PM

I really hope this isn't true. Ilgauskas is one of those few guys who has spent his whole NBA career with one team. I'd hate to see a guy who will get his jersey retired in Cleveland tarnish his reputation with the fans by trying to ride James' coattails in Miami.

On the one hand there's that perspective. On the other, you're basically saying Big Z shouldn't live an athlete's dream of getting a championship.

Obstructed_View

07-10-2010, 09:11 PM

I really hope this isn't true. Ilgauskas is one of those few guys who has spent his whole NBA career with one team. I'd hate to see a guy who will get his jersey retired in Cleveland tarnish his reputation with the fans by trying to ride James' coattails in Miami.

Dude worked his ass off for a long time, and he was in Cleveland long before James came along. BTW, it's not LBJ's coattails he's riding.

montgod

07-10-2010, 10:29 PM

STEIN_LINE_HQ RT @wallacesports: Cavs free-agent C Zydrunas Ilgauskas tells Miami Herald he's "looking into option" of joining buddy LeBron in Miami

Somewhere Dwight Howard is giggling while rubbing his hands together!

SenorSpur

07-10-2010, 10:51 PM

Supposedly Chicago and Dallas were interested. That said, I don't know they had the opportunity to run any kind of numbers there.

Which means the Spurs should've shipped his ass to Chicago last year, in exchange for a real shotblocking PF, Tyrus Thomas.

They could've at least executed a sign-n-trade to a perennially bad team. That way Bonner wouldn't have to worry about actually showing up in the playoffs.

SenorSpur

07-10-2010, 10:53 PM

Dr. Gonzo

07-10-2010, 10:56 PM

Good for Ian.

That's a situation where he can probably get minutes, no Shaq, no Ilgauskas. Hickson and Varajao and old busted Jamison.

Ian will have better years than Bonner.

Fuck Ian Mahinmi.

gospursgojas

07-10-2010, 11:07 PM

:lol @ Fish, Juwaun Howard, Ime Udoka supporting cast

Kindergarten Cop

07-10-2010, 11:11 PM

:lol @ Fish, Juwaun Howard, Ime Udoka supporting cast

Fish and Howard actually looked good last season (logging several games as starters). That's actually a pretty nice start to a bench - and they're just getting started.

As for Udoka, I've got nothing. :lol

Dro210

07-10-2010, 11:14 PM

Juwan Howard would be a good guy to have on that team, a good guy to get a ring for. He's put in a lot of years in the league and never even really been close..... Wish my boy C-Webb could come out of retirement and player for that team and get his.

Spurs Brazil

07-11-2010, 07:50 AM

The Knicks last night were on the verge of signing 7-foot-1 Russian free-agent center Timofey Mozgov, according to a source. The anticipated three-year, $9 million deal would eat up the rest of their cap space.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/knicks_spy_russian_ptUJeyNeF9Q19RPLQbroKJ#ixzz0tNT aUlEF

RuffnReadyOzStyle

07-11-2010, 08:08 AM

Given all the headaches they've had with Fernandez, I think it's possible they'll look to move him now.

He's making $1.2M, so I wonder if a trade of a couple unguaranteed contracts (Hairston/Jerrells) would do it.

No. Hill has the ability to play the point, is more athletic and has higher potential.

If the Spurs go after Rudy it should be with a low offer, like non-guaranteed contracts and a pick in return.

I know this is all just conjecture (except Portland's absurdly loaded swingman ranks... wtf?), but if we can get our hands on Rudy, DO IT NOW! He would be fantastic here. Manu and Pop could turn him into Manu II, I am sure of it.

GET RUDY HERE NOW!

PS There is no Kevin Pritchard stopping us from 'trading with' (read as 'ripping off') the Blazers any more either... ;)

Bruno

07-11-2010, 08:41 AM

^^ Mozgov is a good signing for Knicks. He is very big, strong, athletic and could be a good defensive presence. I still can't believe Nets went with Petro for the same amount of money.

DPG21920

07-11-2010, 09:51 AM

So if the Cavs story about Childress is true, that is another team out of the running for RJ. :lol People want Petro but not RJ.

MaNu4Tres

07-11-2010, 12:13 PM

So if the Cavs story about Childress is true, that is another team out of the running for RJ. :lol People want Petro but not RJ.

It's stupid to waste time going after a player that has set plans on returning to his previous team.

ace3g

07-11-2010, 04:05 PM

Ben Wallace set to sign 2-year deal with Pistons

DETROIT (AP)—Ben Wallace(notes) says he’ll sign a two-year contract soon with the Detroit Pistons.

Wallace told The Associated Press on Sunday he heard from a lot of teams, but agreed to a two-year deal about a week ago because he wants to retire with the Pistons. He’ll make $1.9 million each season.

Pistons president Joe Dumars said on the first day of free agency that the team’s first order of business was to keep Wallace and restricted free agent Will Bynum(notes).

The 35-year-old Wallace was one of Detroit’s best players last season when it missed the playoffs for the first time since 2001.

The center helped the Pistons win the 2004 title during his prime when he was the Defensive Player of the Year four times in five years.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-pistons-wallace

ducks

07-11-2010, 04:06 PM

humm wallace could have signed that deal with the heat

DesignatedT

07-11-2010, 04:06 PM

Kindergarten Cop

07-11-2010, 04:15 PM

:lol enough is enough detroit.

Detroit had a lot of problems last year, but Wallace wasn't one of them. He was actually one of their few bright spots (nearly shooting a career high percentage-wise, playing solid defense, and starting 67 games). He brings veteran leadership and is getting paid just above the minimum. I can't really argue with them bringing him back, especially considering everything that he has done for that organization.

DesignatedT

07-11-2010, 04:17 PM

look in a different direction. that organization has gone from great to the gutter.

Mel_13

07-11-2010, 04:21 PM

The Grizzlies are close to agreeing on a contract with Boston Celtics free agent swingman Tony Allen, The Commercial Appeal has learned.

Allen, 28, is an unrestricted free agent and the Griz are hoping to sign him to a multiyear deal starting at roughly $3 million.

The defensive-minded player just completed his sixth season with the Celtics, who selected the 6-4 Allen with the 25th pick in the 2004 NBA draft.

Signing Allen would mean Memphis would completely severe ties with Ronnie Brewer, who it acquired from Utah for a protected 2011 first-round pick in February. Brewer wasn't extended a $3.7 million qualifying offer and became an unrestricted free agent.

Brewer apparently wasn't willing to commit to the Grizzlies' latest offer because of pending negotiations with Chicago and Utah.

The Griz decided on Allen because of the defense and toughness he could bring to the backcourt off the bench. Memphis is also said to like Allen's leadership qualities and championship attitude given he's played for the title-contending Celtics.

http://blogs.commercialappeal.com/the_memphis_edge/grizzlies-basketball/

Cane

07-11-2010, 04:22 PM

Haha so not only did Memphis gift Gasol to the Lakers, now they're trying to take away Boston's best defender against Kobe :downspin:

Kindergarten Cop

07-11-2010, 04:35 PM

look in a different direction. that organization has gone from great to the gutter.

I completely agree that they have fallen off drastically - and I sometimes feel sorry for them thinking how differently things could have turned out had they not drafted Darko. They have begun (at least in their eyes) rebuilding by bringing in Gordon and Villanueva last year and drafting Monroe this year. They still need to sign some quality vets for leadership and Wallace was their absolute best option for that. I'm not saying that he will make the All Star team or get votes for DPOY, but if he plays anything like he did last year the Pistons just got a pretty good bargain.

Brazil

07-11-2010, 05:04 PM

In the other news, Turiaf signed for the knicks

Kindergarten Cop

07-11-2010, 05:10 PM

In the other news, Turiaf signed for the knicks

:huh

Wasn't he included in the David Lee S&T and didn't he have 2 years remaining on his contract?

Brazil

07-11-2010, 05:41 PM

:huh

Wasn't he included in the David Lee S&T and didn't he have 2 years remaining on his contract?

with kelenna and randolph yeah

Brazil

07-11-2010, 05:43 PM

apparently the nets hope Petro to sign a 3 years 10 M$

ace3g

07-11-2010, 06:55 PM

WojYahooNBA

Nets and Jordan Farmar discussing 3 year deal, but front office and reps say they've yet to agree on money. "Far from done," one side says.

and some other FA buzz

http://tinyurl.com/24ueg3t

DPG21920

07-11-2010, 06:57 PM

It's stupid to waste time going after a player that has set plans on returning to his previous team.

Why do you say that? If it was set, wouldn't the deal be done?

Kindergarten Cop

07-11-2010, 07:05 PM

In the other news, Turiaf signed for the knicks

:huh

Wasn't he included in the David Lee S&T and didn't he have 2 years remaining on his contract?

with kelenna and randolph yeah

Okay. I was just confused when you stated that he "signed" with the Knicks. He wasn't a FA and really had no choice in the trade.

Blackjack

07-11-2010, 07:15 PM

Timberwolves looking to trade Sessions

After signing Ramon Sessions(notes) to a four-year, $16 million contract a year ago, Minnesota Timberwolves general manager David Kahn is trying to unload the guard to teams able to absorb his salary, league executives told Yahoo! Sports.

“They’re basically looking for a salary dump,” said an executive with a team who spoke to Minnesota. “That won’t be easy.”

Kahn’s plan this time?

Trying to sign point guard Luke Ridnour(notes) to an identical four-year, $16 million contract, league sources said.

Still, Ridenour has shown little interest with the T’wolves, sources said, and seems willing to wait for a more compelling offer. What’s unclear is how this would affect Minnesota with Jonny Flynn(notes) as the starting point guard and the rights to Spain’s Ricky Rubio(notes), who could come to the NBA after the 2010-11 season.

Minnesota has also shown serious interest with free-agent point guard Shaun Livingston(notes), sources said.

– Adrian Wojnarowski, 4:55 p.m. ET, July 11

LOL Kahn

Give me Webster and we'll see what we can figure out with regards to Sessions -- ya know there's another point guard out there that could be occupying his spot. ;)

Spurs Brazil

07-11-2010, 07:27 PM

Grizzlies to sign Allen
By Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears, Yahoo! Sports
3 hours, 1 minute ago

Email Print The Memphis Grizzlies have reached agreement with free-agent guard Tony Allen on a three-year, $10 million contract, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

Allen averaged 6.1 points, 2.7 rebounds and 1.3 assists in 54 games last season for the Boston Celtics and was an effective defender against Kobe Bryant during the NBA Finals.

The Memphis Commercial Appeal first reported Allen’s agreement.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ak8lFMrz9DgVoByLd5iHw728vLYF?slug=ys-freeagentbuzz071110

EricB

07-11-2010, 07:32 PM

:lol @ 12 million for 3 years for farmar

tdunk21

07-11-2010, 07:49 PM

fuck..........
tony allen gone

ohmwrecker

07-11-2010, 07:51 PM

fuck..........
tony allen gone

We don't need a SG.

tdunk21

07-11-2010, 08:01 PM

We don't need a SG.

but we do need someone who can play good defense

ace3g

07-11-2010, 10:18 PM

Suns near acquisitions of Hedo Turkoglu, Josh Childress

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2010/07/11/20100711phoenix-suns-acquire-hedo-turkoglu-josh-childress.html#ixzz0tR0EqMzh

DesignatedT

07-11-2010, 10:20 PM

:lol suns

TeKu

07-11-2010, 10:28 PM

Turkoglu is represented by Lon Babby, who leagues sources have said will be the next leader of the Suns' basketball operations. Until recently, Childress was represented by Babby's agency before he switched to Octagon.

Slight conflict of interest there surely...

ace3g

07-11-2010, 10:29 PM

Adrian Wojnarowski WojYahooNBA

The Suns will send a 2012 second-round pick to Atlanta. Wizards, Spurs and Jazz tried to get involved with Childress, sources say.

:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang:bang

murpjf88

07-11-2010, 10:47 PM

A bit surprising the Suns went after Childress seeing as how his former agent Lon Babby is being considered as Suns next Gm.

DPG21920

07-11-2010, 10:50 PM

Did anyone else hear about RJ getting a 4 year deal with the 4th year not guaranteed. Someone told me this was on the local news with the Splitter announcement to come on Monday.

ace3g

07-11-2010, 10:50 PM

why couldn't anyone have been interested in RJ for a trade exception, those things are gold this year

Dunc n Dave

07-11-2010, 10:57 PM

Damn, would have loved to get Childress from the Hawks, He'd help with guarding guys like Dirk and Odom.

AFBlue

07-12-2010, 12:47 AM

Did anyone else hear about RJ getting a 4 year deal with the 4th year not guaranteed. Someone told me this was on the local news with the Splitter announcement to come on Monday.

Please someone confirm this! If the Spurs can get away with RJ on a deal only guaranteed for three years I would be happy at this point.

Caveat: If the deal is worth so much per year that it makes a Parker extension unlikely, I wouldn't like the deal even for 3 years.

tuncaboylu

07-12-2010, 01:22 AM

Childress is a nice guy. But he's going to get 6.7M and Suns is sending part of their trade exception to Atlanta. We don't have any and we couldn't make that trade.

TD 21

07-12-2010, 01:26 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5372405

Apparently the Raptors will also receive Jones, then ship him to the Bobcats for Diaw.

EricB

07-12-2010, 12:36 PM

WojYahooNBA Quentin Richardson has agreed in principle to a multi-year contract with the Orlando Magic, a league source tells Y! Sports.

Mugen

07-12-2010, 01:49 PM

WojYahooNBA Quentin Richardson has agreed in principle to a multi-year contract with the Orlando Magic, a league source tells Y! Sports.

That means Barnes is gone.

I think hes the answer to our backup SF.

best fits are here and in Boston with T. Allen going to Memphis.

AFBlue

07-12-2010, 02:04 PM

That means Barnes is gone.

I think hes the answer to our backup SF.

best fits are here and in Boston with T. Allen going to Memphis.

Barnes is a "destination" FA...I doubt south Texas really appeals to him. If all he can get is an LLE contract, then I think it's to a nice, sunny place or a big metropolitan city.

Kindergarten Cop

07-12-2010, 02:05 PM

Barnes is a "destination" FA...I doubt south Texas really appeals to him. If all he can get is an LLE contract, then I think it's to a nice, sunny place or a big metropolitan city.

South Texas isn't a "nice, sunny" place? ;)

ace3g

07-12-2010, 02:22 PM

Another thing good about Barnes is that he is still good enough to challenge for the starting SF spot. One of the problems last year with RJ was that he was the Spurs only legit SF so there was no risk of him to lose his starting spot.

If the Spurs somehow signed Barnes, it would create some healthy competition between the 2 players, keeping their game at a high level IMO

mingus

07-12-2010, 02:45 PM

Barnes would fit. either behind rj or in front of him.

rayray2k8

07-12-2010, 02:46 PM

Barnes would be nice but at what price?

DesignatedT

07-12-2010, 02:48 PM

Barnes would be nice but at what price?

I always thought he was too expensive also, but after seeing that he has struggled to get contracts in the pass and only made 1.6 mil last season. He might take a guaranteed 2 year deal worth the LLE which comes just shy of a total of 4 mil. I am sure he is going to get that offer from multiple teams though so he would have to want to play here.

ace3g

07-12-2010, 02:54 PM

Ira Winderman IraHeatBeat

Just heard from Udonis Haslem. He has turned down far larger deals from the Nuggets and Mavericks . . . and will be back with the Heat!

rayray2k8

07-12-2010, 02:59 PM

Um.. San Antonio Heat? Blah. Who are those that laker fans a referring to?
Saw lefty and 2 other guys who got pissed off at the Bonner signing.. So... whatever.

MannyIsGod

07-12-2010, 03:00 PM

Barnes would be nice but at what price?

For the max, obviously.

ace3g

07-12-2010, 03:10 PM

WojYahooNBA

Nets and Warriors are finalizing sign-and-trade for Anthony Morrow that will return a $4 million trade exception to GState, sources tell Y!

WojYahooNBA

Morrow agreed to a three-year, $12 million offer sheet with New Jersey on Saturday. Now, the restricted free agent is on his way to Nets.

STEIN_LINE_HQ

I've been advised to expect Reggie Evans to be included in widely reported three-way deal (TOR, CHA and PHX) and land with Bobcats

rayray2k8

07-12-2010, 03:12 PM

Damn, nice pick up by the Nets.

Spurs Brazil

07-12-2010, 04:08 PM

STEIN_LINE_HQ RT @ramonashelburne: Derek Fisher will return to the Lakers on a three-year contract http://es.pn/9iWfAG STEIN_LINE_HQ RT @SHowardCooper: Fisher: "At the end of the day, there's one person I could not turn away from. Kobe Bryant asked me to stay..."

ploto

07-12-2010, 04:29 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5372405

Apparently the Raptors will also receive Jones, then ship him to the Bobcats for Diaw.
Probably going to turn out like this. Raptors will not use TPE. I also don't details on how they will deal with both Jose and Hedo's Trade Kickers.

Toronto
Incoming Players
Leandro Barbosa
Tyson Chandler
Boris Diaw

Outgoing Players
Hedo Turkoglu
Jose Calderon
Reggie Evans

Phoenix
Incoming Players
Hedo Turkoglu

Outgoing Players
Leandro Barbosa
Dwayne Jones

Charlotte
Incoming Players
Jose Calderon
Reggie Evans
Dwayne Jones

Outgoing Players
Tyson Chandler
Boris Diaw

cantthinkofanything

07-12-2010, 04:32 PM

Ira Winderman IraHeatBeat

Just heard from Udonis Haslem. He has turned down far larger deals from the Nuggets and Mavericks . . . and will be back with the Heat!

From what I understand, he is taking about 1/2 of what Mavs/Nuggest offered. Is anyone suspicious about this? What is to keep LeBron/Wade/Bosh from working some kind of personal deal with Haslem? Not a direct payment but kind of soft money deal in the future?

Bruno

07-12-2010, 04:37 PM

The 3 teams trade is great for Charlotte, good for Raptors and bad for Phoenix.

Spurs Brazil

07-12-2010, 04:40 PM

Nets land Morrow in sign-and-trade
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
1 hour, 1 minute ago

Email Print The Golden State Warriors have agreed to a sign-and-trade to send Anthony Morrow(notes) to the New Jersey Nets for a $4 million trade exception, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Morrow agreed to a three-year, $12 million offer sheet on Saturday with New Jersey, but had yet to sign it. The Nets parted with the exception because they wanted Morrow too badly to risk the Warriors matching the sheet and keeping him.

Morrow, a 6-foot-5 guard, was undrafted out of Georgia Tech two years ago and averaged 13 points for Golden State last season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ag0mihVrbiTMJBeEjVE.G2K8vLYF?slug=ys-morrownets071210

Seventyniner

07-12-2010, 04:41 PM

Spurs Brazil

07-12-2010, 04:50 PM

This is the same website who posted a Tiago interview before free agency start.
http://balanacesta.blogspot.com/2010/06/o-mvp-fala-parte-1.html

Today they reported Tiago signed a 3 year deal, but no info on the money yet

Conforme dito aqui, sem surpresas Tiago Splitter fechou com os Spurs por três temporadas (todas garantidas). Depois de passar a lua de mel no México, o brasileiro desembarcou no sábado em San Antonio para realizar exames médicos.
http://balanacesta.blogspot.com/2010/07/confirmado-splitter-assina-por-tres.html

Brazil

07-12-2010, 04:59 PM

Ian to the mavs apparently it's official 2 years 2 M a year, second year is an option

Brazil

07-12-2010, 05:00 PM

thread in nba forum

press release

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba...ory?id=5374037 (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nba/news/story?id=5374037)

Spurs Brazil

07-12-2010, 06:25 PM

Heat F Haslem signs 5-year, $20M deal
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhNr_rRTkKHXBUkWfmLOCXC8vLYF?slug=ap-heat-haslem

Dunc n Dave

07-12-2010, 11:08 PM

Al Jefferson being traded to Utah?
I think this may be an upgrade for them over Carlos Boozer...
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700047695/Jazz-trade-for-Al-Jefferson.html

TD 21

07-13-2010, 12:54 AM

Big pickup for the Jazz. He's not the long, athletic shot blocker they still need inside, but he'll replace Boozer's scoring and rebounding. He's not as good a face-up shooter or as good in the pick-and-roll as Boozer, but he's a better back-to-the-basket scorer.

I know he had major knee surgery and inevitably struggled (at least by his standards) last season, but he's likely to bounce back next season and if he does, this is a steal. He's 25, a bonafide 20/10 guy when he's right and is signed for 3 years/$42 million. With the money being thrown around this summer, if he's fully back to where he was two seasons ago next season, that's a bargain.

Millsap is likely to be frustrated, though. It's one thing to back up Boozer, who was already on the team, but it's another thing to acquire his replacement. Probably feels like he's played the good soldier role long enough and is deserving of starting.

Dro210

07-13-2010, 01:00 AM

Millsap is likely to be frustrated, though. It's one thing to back up Boozer, who was already on the team, but it's another thing to acquire his replacement. Probably feels like he's played the good soldier role long enough and is deserving of starting.

Was just thinking the same thing... I feel for the guy.

RuffnReadyOzStyle

07-13-2010, 02:38 AM

Heat F Haslem signs 5-year, $20M deal
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AhNr_rRTkKHXBUkWfmLOCXC8vLYF?slug=ap-heat-haslem

No surprises there, and a very nice contract for the Heat.

Big pickup for the Jazz. He's not the long, athletic shot blocker they still need inside, but he'll replace Boozer's scoring and rebounding. He's not as good a face-up shooter or as good in the pick-and-roll as Boozer, but he's a better back-to-the-basket scorer.

I know he had major knee surgery and inevitably struggled (at least by his standards) last season, but he's likely to bounce back next season and if he does, this is a steal. He's 25, a bonafide 20/10 guy when he's right and is signed for 3 years/$42 million. With the money being thrown around this summer, if he's fully back to where he was two seasons ago next season, that's a bargain.

Millsap is likely to be frustrated, though. It's one thing to back up Boozer, who was already on the team, but it's another thing to acquire his replacement. Probably feels like he's played the good soldier role long enough and is deserving of starting.

Shit! WTF? Millsap is fantastic and I thought they would use him as the starter this year. Seriously, that makes no fucking sense.

I traded for Millsap late last year in DL II on the expectation he'd take over from Boozer. FAAAAARK!!!

mountainballer

07-13-2010, 03:13 AM

This is the same website who posted a Tiago interview before free agency start.
http://balanacesta.blogspot.com/2010/06/o-mvp-fala-parte-1.html

Today they reported Tiago signed a 3 year deal, but no info on the money yet

numbers from yahoo

http://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/18393536959
Tiago Splitter contract is actually 3 years for $10.9 million with Spurs, league source says. He will make $3.4 million this season.

very very good deal for the Spurs. leaves about 2.4 million for other FA.
Spurs could offer a 3 years / 7.5 million contract. quite nice if they target Bell or Jones.
or (as Bruno guessed) they sign Richards to a 3 years contract, I guess it would need to start at 762K. in that case they have about 1.6 M left, they could still offer something like a 3 years 5.2 M contract. overall still better than a LLE contract.

Bruno

07-13-2010, 04:00 AM

very very good deal for the Spurs. leaves about 2.4 million for other FA.
Spurs could offer a 3 years / 7.5 million contract. quite nice if they target Bell or Jones.
or (as Bruno guessed) they sign Richards to a 3 years contract, I guess it would need to start at 762K. in that case they have about 1.6 M left, they could still offer something like a 3 years 5.2 M contract. overall still better than a LLE contract.

The min salary for Richards is $473,604. Spurs will still have $1.9M left on their MLE if they use it to lock Richards for 3 years.

I guess Spurs haven't signed Richards because they are waiting to see if they will use all their MLE of if some of it will be left to lock Richards for 3 years. It avoids Richards to play the SL but it isn't a big deal. Richards is a long term project and some SL games are meaningless.

mountainballer

07-13-2010, 04:11 AM

No surprises there, and a very nice contract for the Heat.

Pat Riley is doing something right. (Micky Arison as well, obviously)
several guys already left tons of money on the table to become part of the Heat. they already have a very nice core now (Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Chalmers, Miller, Haslem) and I don't think this is the end of the bargain signings. (Bell ?, James Jones ?, Ilgauskas ?). this team will have a far better supporting cast, than even the greatest optimists ever guessed.
(not to talk about all the experts who predicted the Heat stars will have to play with 10 minimum scrubs)

jesterbobman

07-13-2010, 04:45 AM

All the Heat really would be interested in as a key part of the group would be a Vet Centre. I can't imagine a PG on that team would be handling the ball much, With Wade and LeBron having the Ball in their hands, so they just need guys to defend and shoot. I doubt they want Jarvis Varnado and Pittman as the centre combination.

Also, having such a big chunk of the MLE left should give us a chance at a tier above for a SF who'll be in the rotation. I'd guess Howard, Ronnie Brewer would be really good bets. Not perfect in the knock down corner shooter role, but both can play and defend.

Blackjack

07-13-2010, 12:41 PM

WojYahooNBA

Free agent guard Luke Ridnour is close to accepting a four year, $16 million offer with Minnesota, a league source tells Y!

Mr.Bottomtooth

07-13-2010, 12:42 PM

Ridnour to the Wolves.
Al Jefferson to the Jazz.

Blackjack

07-13-2010, 12:43 PM

Jazz close to acquiring Wolves’ Jefferson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-jazzwolvestrade071210)
By Marc J. Spears, Yahoo! Sports

The Utah Jazz are on the brink of acquiring forward Al Jefferson(notes) from the Minnesota Timberwolves, a league source told Yahoo! Sports.

The source called the trade “close,” and Jazz owner Greg Miller appeared to foreshadow it on his Twitter account Monday night. “I just approved a Jazz roster move that I’m very excited about,” Miller tweeted. “Planning to share details tomorrow.”

The Jazz can acquire Jefferson with the trade exception they obtained in their sign-and-trade deal that sent Carlos Boozer(notes) to the Chicago Bulls.

Jefferson, 25, averaged 17.1 points and 9.3 rebounds last season, but struggled at times while recovering from knee surgery. He has three years and $42 million left on his contract.

SpearsNBAYahoo

Y! Sports story: Jazz to acquire Al Jefferson in trade from Minny today for 2 first round picks and trade exception. http://yhoo.it/d1k9hw

dbestpro

07-13-2010, 12:45 PM

Kahn has a point guard fettish.

TDMVPDPOY

07-13-2010, 12:48 PM

dont the wolves have like 3-4 pgs on the roster? why they signin ridnour? lmao kahn

Blackjack

07-13-2010, 12:50 PM

Dammit, Kahn!

What possible use do you have for Webster now?

How 'bout the Spurs give you Nando (he's point guard-ish) and Jefferson for Martell?

Do it . . .

Edit:

Martell Webster and we'll take Ramon Sessions off your hands for Jefferson (someone who can put points up on the board and give you something to pimp while you suck -- also on a much more reasonable contract) and Nando.

Now . . .

DO IT . . .

murpjf88

07-13-2010, 01:34 PM

http://twitter.com/stein_line_HQ

According to source, Zydrunas Ilgauskas close to accepting a contract from Miami Heat. Cavs had offer for Z on table

Obstructed_View

07-13-2010, 01:47 PM

Maybe they're trying to corner the market on point guards.

Mr.Bottomtooth

07-13-2010, 01:48 PM

Fucking burn by Big Z.

Mr Bones

07-13-2010, 01:59 PM

Hahahaha-- maybe Dan Gilbert will send out another letter!

lefty

07-13-2010, 02:00 PM

Cleveland :lmao

Mr.Bottomtooth

07-13-2010, 02:08 PM

Bobcats to waive Dampier.

Spurs Brazil

07-13-2010, 03:01 PM

Minnesota has sent Al Jefferson to the Utah Jazz for two future first-round draft picks and the salary-cap trade exception, according to a source.

Utah gained the trade exception in the sign-and-trade deal that sent Carlos Boozer to Chicago.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap/#ixzz0tav6STjV

Spurs Brazil

07-13-2010, 03:02 PM

Spurs Brazil

07-13-2010, 03:02 PM

Zydrunas Ilgauskas has turned down an offer from the Cleveland Cavaliers and will instead join LeBron James in Miami.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap/#ixzz0tavVAIJr

toki9

07-13-2010, 03:52 PM

Mavs Target Harrington As No. 1 Free Agent Priority
Jul 13, 2010 3:49 PM EST

The Mavericks have targeted Al Harrington in the free agency market and hope to sign him using their mid-level exception.

Dallas prefers Harrington over Shaquille O'Neal.

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap/#ixzz0tavMVsfF

So where is Shaq going at this point? Dallas doesn't seem viable given the Chandler trade and pursuit of Harrington. Miami just got Big Z. Atlanta is now a second (third?) tier team out in the east. Could he really end up with the Spurs? Weird offseason.